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The real Jesus Christ was never in and never will be in Christmas! He cannot be put back into where He has never been.
But the “god of this world,” (Satan) has always been in Christmas. He is Christmas author!

2 Cor. 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

The true God commands that we “must worship Him in spirit and in truth”. This does not mesh with the great
World wide Christmas feast and Santa Claus lies that almost all adults and children so willingly believe.

John 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Bible prophecy are to be noticed: they “Change Laws and Times”

Prophet Daniel speaks of a “little horn,” which “shall speak great words against the Most High…GOD and think to change times and laws.

DAN 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The following quote reveals how this has happened. (from the Encyclopedia Britannica, under “Christianity”

“Thus, the Easter liturgy has been developed more highly in the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the Christmas liturgy more highly in the Roman Catholic Church…The Christian calendar is the most widely disseminated Christian institution. The seven-day week and the rhythm of the Christian festivals have been accepted even by most of the non-Christian countries. Despite energetic attempts at the introduction of a sliding work week, the seven-day week with work-free Sunday could not be eliminated even in Communist states with an Atheist world view. Even in Atheistic circles and organizations throughout the world, Christian holidays enjoy an undisputed popularity as work-free days…especially Christmas.”

Who is been referred to here?, who have sought to imposing? Who are these leaders who have thought to change times and laws? The Scripture made plain!

[size=16pt]Deuteronomy 12:2-4 “You shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which you shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: And you shall overthrow their altars…and burn their groves with fire… you shall not do so unto the LORD your God.” [/size]

YOU SHALL NOT DO MODIFICATION, BURN AND DISTROY ALL THAT HAS BEEN USED FOR THIER IDOLS!

TroGunn: Christmas case is closed. No good reason has been given for Christians to be involved in it, but lots of good reasons provided why Christians should avoid it like a plague.

Let's turn to New Year celebrations on Jan 1. Seems the same issue applies, and quite clear cut:

"The Romans dedicated New Year's Day to Janus, the god of gates, doors, and beginnings for whom the first month of the year (January) is also named. After Julius Caesar reformed the calendar in 46 BC and was subsequently murdered, the Roman Senate voted to deify him on the 1st January 42 BC in honor of his life and his institution of the new rationalized calendar. The month originally owes its name to the deity Janus, who had two faces, one looking forward and the other looking backward. This suggests that New Year's celebrations are founded on pagan traditions." - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Day

While Christians have to use the modern calendaring system with their names like January, we sure don't have to be involved in any celebrations or festivities associated with the pagan god(s).

My broda, Chrismas case no fit close like that ooo, the matter deep pass as the celebrants may know.
But its a good idea to treat "happy new year" as well, they all follow each other ....

Zikkyy: Why I go vex? Am busy. Will not be available till New year. If una still dey here that time I fit contribute if need be.

GOOD, I ACTUALLY SEE NO REASON FOR VEXATION HERE. STAY WELL ZIKKYY!

Rich4god: Did you now see that the example you cited above have one/two things to do with pagans.
Phaoroah was a pagan worsipper and everything he is using is rooted deep inside paganism, so is the ring.
Moses burned the golden calf (pagan idol) made with ring, showing its root in paganism.
@plappville... Why do you have to do away with what you dont like and go with what you like.
Judging from your point of view on how birthday is pagainsm, the bible verses that cited where ring was used in the scripture proof it to be of pagans origin so you better stop using wedding rings else you are equally in the same both with the people ypu are accusing of paganism.

BEFORE THEY BUILD THE GOLDEN CALF THEY HAD THIER GOLD EARINGS RINGS ETC WITH THEM;
GOD PROTECTED AND CARED FOR THEM IN THE DESERT. NOT LOOKING AT THIER JEWELRY AND MOSES WOULDN'T
BURN THEM IF THEY HAD NOT USED IT FOR IDOL WORSHIPPING.

IS THIS TOO DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND

Rotmyt: Most christians only want to hear the teachings that centers on prosperity,healings and deliverance without paying heed to the other teachings of christ. A pastor that deliberately builds his ministry on these can be said to peddle the word of God for profit.

True this!

Goshen360: ^^^ You mean like selling anointed oil, mantles and making merchants of the people of God

Oil, extra-biblical literatures, cds etc etc, all should be given freely to members. This money are from the offering given by members, why sell again? i recieved several literatures from a church in the US, free without charge of posting nothing. my church recently gave cds, books to kids nothing was requested from parents. And this cds are very good well animated. But my kids got them for free, this is how a church should operates. Selling stuffs in Church is wrong!

Churches with business attached are good examples. They run Church and business all together...

frosbel: All we can do is point out the truth to those who bother to listen , many in so called Christendom have ears that are dull of hearing.

One thing we can learn from certain people who fight against these revelations is that without the tithes and offerings the source of their wealth and livelihoods will suddenly collapse. They are in it for the money.

True talk Frosbel

chukwudi44: Jws should please stop using the calendar months names since they have pagan origins.Some of them like January are named after roman gods.They should please stop using them or they will become hypocrites

Calendar Name Origins - Names of Months

January - ME Januari(us), OE Januarius, translation of Latin Januarius, named after JANUS, god of beginnings.
February - ME OE Februarius from Latin Februarius, named for Februa, the feast of purification.
March - ME March(e), from Latin Martius, (month of) Mars.
April - ME Averil, OF Avril, Latin Aprilis mensis (month). The name may derive from the Greek goddess of love, Aphrodite.
May - ME OE Maius, Latin Maius mensis (month), from the Greek Maia, goddess of spring (growth).
June - ME Jun(e), OE Iunius, from Latin mensis Junius, named after the goddess Juno, Queen of the gods.
July - ME Julie, OE Julius, from Latin Julius (Caesar) after whom it was named in 44 BC. The original name was quintilis, fifth month in the early Roman calendar.
August - ME OE Agustus from Latin Augustus (Caesar) 8 BC. The original name was sextilis, sixth month in the early Roman calendar.
September - ME Septembre from Latin September, seventh month in the early Roman calendar
October - ME OE from Latin October, eighth month in the early Roman calendar
November - ME OE from Latin November, ninth month of the early Roman calendar, from novem NINE
December - ME Decembre from OF and Latin December, tenth month of the early Roman calendar (decem TEN + membri from mens MONTH + ri suffix)

ONE QUESTION YOU SHOULD ASK YOURSELF IS THIS: *Has time ever changed?* if no then the above is useless, if Yes then you tell us who change Yahweh´s time?

ijawkid: I had asked chukwudi which calender or calender system the isrealites use when they were in EGYPt and also when they were vassals in babylon.........

The boy ran away from a very important discussion into calendars........if I ever reply chukwudi here then it means I'm jobless.......

No mind him, He don run leave that thread where he started his calender issue. Christmas freaks are despirate!

pastormustwacc: Trollin with arms in pockets. . .

You no go host us before you close this thread?....

truthislight: lol.

Ma sister, that bros tru2god come vex me no be small with that Chrismas yarn wey him come yarn for this thread.

No wary sha, next time i will remain some for you.
Peace.

Make you take am easy with our honourable true2god oo, i kn say he sabi derail, but i dey enjoy him style...

I BEG TRY REMAIN SOME FOR US NEXT TIME. THERE IS LOVE IN SHARING....

truthislight: then it is tradition of men.

Then it is an act of presumptiouseness for anyone(pope included) to add it/assume it as a form of worship for Yahweh and his son.

This guy has some qualities in him. He is the only one that has not twisted Scripture to surpport the reason why he celebrates Christmas. The only problem he is facing is that,....He is not ready to give up the yearly CHOP.....CHOP & gift....gift stuffs..
I can understand him...but he has has to bear in mind that, is not how we want it, but how God wants it.

ijawkid: This is why I keep having problems with you........

Let me give you the list of persons who aint JW's but have seen the folly of xmas and has abandoned it...
1..Frosbel
2..Plapville
3..Serrialink..
4..Buzugee..
5..Boomark..
6..Honeric..
Etc........
______________________________

As an olodo and an idol worshipper all you do is resort to childs play instead of facing reality.................history and the bible debunks that useless mYTH called ""xmas""...............the whole foundation dec25th is a fraud and a LIE...........

And what is wrong if these names are JW? you don´t need to make √@Chukwudi√ understand anything. No matter how you try to convince him, He will still hold on to his church traditions. I said tnis becos, no scripture has made sense to him here. He just came dansing around singing...♪♪♪♪♪[hail holy queen mother of merci, hail our lives our sickness our home...etc etc] I beg make the truth keep coming in like water. For me oo, I dont care about the name of a denomination as long as their teaching matches Christ partarn. *the truth*. JW´S might not have all the truth, but in terms of Bible knowledge, they are far better than those who criticise them, and even better than the socalled MOTHER CHURCH. NL don show some proves..

Zikkyy: Sorry, I said I will not be posting here again, but let me make a quick clarification so you don't go away with the wrong impression. I agreed you will not find Xmas in the bible, you will not find a command in the bible that says celebrate Xmas. That's my view.

Whether God spoke to the pope the day before Xmas was announced i don't know. Aftetall our pastors to date still claim that they talk to God on a daily basis. I am not one to condemn anybody or say It's not possible cos I no dey there. thank you..

What impression again na? are we not saying thesame thing? your not twisting any scripture to surport why u celebrate it. This i think is very fair of you. You have given reasons why you celebrate it. No one is prohibiting this feast in anyway. We just prove points that displayed Christmas is one of the men tradition Jesus warns His Church to beware of.

So wetin make you dey leave us na? abi someone don vex you here,? i doubt, that can`t happen here.

truthislight: what season?

This demonic, pegan, idolatrouse satan, fraudulent, insultive, disgraceful, unholy, rebellious disgusting, "popepolitic fraud" God forsaken, immoral and satan, celebration cum Chrismas season deserve no mention in a decent christian gathering with respect.

You are finish since you dont know your left from your right.

You belief every thing you hear.
Rubbish!

Na waooohh oooo, which u remain for me to use na?

pastormustwacc: So Jesus is really Arcangel michael then (Based on the evidences provided by this thread). Any objections before we declare the thread closed?

Exactly! and there is no objection to the word of God.

true2god:I dnt tink ur (or fake barrister's) excessive post will change my stance on d issue.

True2god oya read oooo.... this forum get funny brethren caieee!!!

BARRISTERS: @True2God



let me show you a mess smelling in your so-called church; Assemblies of God church.

Morris Cerullo is an ordained Assembly of God Minister and Healing Evangelist. His personal ministry mansion and two-storey home is over 12,000 sq ft. It is behind two secured gates in the richest neighborhood in America and has been estimated at over $12 million. Mr. Cerullo and his wife are the only two that live there, and report that they are on the foreign field 70% of the time... what a waste of God's money!

Morris Cerullo's sky limousine, a Gulstream G4, is estimated to be worth $50 million. He has two full-time pilots and a stewardess who said in recent depositions that the plane has a gold-plated interior. He has had three similar private jets since.

Morris Cerullo claims to be a miracle maker, but he is under investigation for being a money taker. John Paul Warren, a former Senior Executive with Morris Cerullo World Evangelism (MCWE) has filed a lawsuit claiming he was ousted from the MCWE organization after confronting Cerullo about "unethical and fraudulent fund-raising techniques."

This is the second such lawsuit against Cerullo. Warren, who is a highly respected, third-generation, ordained Assemblies of God Minister, filed his suit in May of 2000 in San Diego County Superior Court. He is represented by attorneys Dean Broyles and Tim Rutherford of San Diego, and Hunter Lundy, based in Lake Charles, Louisiana. Lundy successfully represented Marvin Gorman in his suit against televangelist Jimmy Swaggart in 1991, which resulted in a large verdict against Swaggart."

Cerullo refers to himself as `Dr. Cerullo,' although he does not have any degree earning him this title," says Lundy. "He runs MCWE from offices in San Diego, which he calls `mission control,' but he does not serve as the minister of any physical church or congregation." Cerullo raised millions of dollars and bought the defunct PTL Network, theme park and conference grounds from bankruptcy court after Televangelist Jim Bakker's career ended when he was convicted and sent to federal prison for fraud."

[size=14pt]Cerullo purports to have first met God at the age of eight.[/size] Since then, his life has apparently been one unbelievable experience after another," says Lundy. "He says he was led out of a Jewish orphanage by two angelic beings; transported to heaven for a face- to-face meeting with God; has the ability to predict the future; can heal the sick; and has told audiences when they look at him they `are looking at God.' He also asks them to `give me your pocket books.' "

According to Broyles, Cerullo's primary focus is raising millions of dollars in the name of God to support his own personal lavish lifestyle both overseas and in the United States. He says, "The victims of Cerullo's tactics and the source of his millions are the elderly, widows and poor here in the United States as well as in distressed third world nations." Broyles says Cerullo's fundraising tactics include direct solicitations, prayer rallies, the sale of videotapes, prayer networks, television marketing and mail campaigns, among others, all of which are based upon misrepresentations and false promises.

Warren, who has first-hand knowledge of MCWE operations, says, "Cerullo made countless promises to his donors he never intended to keep. He would raise money for popular projects that would generate extraordinary donor support, then never do the project, but keep the money." Warren says shortly after moving to San Diego to assume the leadership of MCWE he discovered that Cerullo used the charitable status of MCWE to personally profit. "Cerullo merchandises the gospel for his own personal wealth," says Warren. Warren has asked Cerullo to repent for his deceptive fundraising practices and to return millions to his donors, but Cerullo refused.

Cerullo's son, David Cerullo, runs the former PTL Network, now known as the Inspiration (INSP) Network based in North Carolina, which serves as a primary medium for disseminating Cerullo's solicitation programs and generating names for future fundraising efforts. "Neither Cerullo's MCWE nor his Inspiration Network are financially accountable to any group," says Rutherford. "In fact, Cerullo, his son David and his wife Theresa are all members of MCWE's board of directors."

Warren's attorneys say their sources report 70% of Cerullo's income comes from profit-oriented business activities as opposed to the non-profit activities dictated by his tax- exempt status.

"Cerullo lives in plush comfort in a multi-million dollar mansion behind two security gates on a luxurious estate in the exclusive Ranch Sante Fe neighbourhood, purported to be the richest neighbourhood in the country. MCWE owns and controls numerous business properties, several luxury automobiles and a gold-plated private jet. He is reported to have personally estimated his net worth at 100 million dollars. Does this sound like the lifestyle of a minister of the gospel?" asks Lundy.

Attorneys say trouble seems to be following Cerullo and his MCWE ministry. Numerous former employees have reported possible criminal violations to the Internal Revenue Service, U.S. Customs and the U.S. Postal Inspector. Cerullo has been banned from television in Great Britain unless he can authenticate the miracles he supposedly performs, and the Jewish community has protested what they call his underhanded attempts to convert practising Jews to Christianity. In addition, many established, respected religious organizations have distanced themselves from Cerullo and MCWE.Attorneys in this case are deeply concerned that Cerullo's fundraising practices are harmful, especially to the elderly.

Previously Superior Court Judge Linda B. Quinn denied a motion by Cerullo to dismiss Warren's claims. Cerullo appealed Judge Quinn's ruling. He sought immunity from litigation under the First Amendment to the Constitution. The appeal was to be heard in the Superior Court of Appeals of the State of California at the San Diego County Courthouse at 9am on November 14.

By all accounts, the hearing went well for Cerullo's opponents. Cerullo himself was present with his wife to witness the proceedings. Rather than answer the charges, Cerullo is trying to hide behind the first amendment that states that ministers cannot go to court against one another. The Appeals court will give a ruling within the next 90 days.

John Paul Warren, Cerullo's antagonist, is determined that Cerullo be exposed to the Christian community for his actions. He says he tried for nearly two years to get Cerullo to submit to Church leadership for correction, but predictably Cerullo refused. He says he travelled with Cerullo throughout the world and witnessed his actions first hand. He asked Cerullo to return millions of dollars to the donors, but predictably Cerullo refused. So Warren felt he had no other choice but to take him to court.

Warren's suit also claims that an AG church in Oregon reversed its decision to hire him after learning of his lawsuit against Cerullo. Warren alleges that MCWE officials' interference damaged his relationship with the AG and affected his future job prospects.

The MCWE board statement said that prior to filing his lawsuit, Warren had demanded $2.2 million not to sue. He had been asked to submit his grievances to binding Christian arbitration, but refused. Warren said he would go to nonbinding arbitration if MCWE paid all expenses, the board said.

Another suit against Cerullo was recently settled out of court. Harry Turner, a MCWE vice president who resigned in November 1999, said that the agreement prevented him from revealing the amount of the settlement. According to a letter on court file, Turner's attorney had asked for $800,000 to settle "short of litigation." Turner's list of grievances against Cerullo included allegations of lies and fraud by Cerullo to his donors.

Davis Frast, a public information officer and postal inspector with the Postal Inspection Service, said that his agency had received complaints about Cerullo's ministry and that it was in the first stages of an investigation.

Back in the 90's Assembly of God Evangelist Morris Cerullo had a telethon on national telethon with a special guest Robert Tilton. The purpose was to collect money to buy back Jim Bakker's Heritage USA, the Christian theme park in Fort Mill, South Carolina, founded by Jim Bakker. In the 1980s, Heritage USA attracted 6 million visitors annually and employed more than 2,000 people.

Evangelist Cerullo was successful in his undertaking and the park stayed opened for a few years but nevertheless closed its door closed November 30, 1997. But unknown to most people was the fact that Morris Cerullo undertook this venture because the number one boss of the Assembly of God denomination Thomas E. Trask asked him to do it. The Assembly of God denomination through its different superintendents was a driving and controlling force behind Jim Bakker's PTL Club.

Jeffrey K. Hadden, professor of sociology at the University of Virginia at Charlottesville reported that 'A little-known clause in the Heritage USA charter bequeaths the entire kingdom to the Assemblies of God in the event that Jim and Tammy were not able to reign?"

Karl Strader has gone on record to state that I was one of those who helped him build PTL,", "and I never did know what he did wrong, frankly. And if he did do something wrong, I forgive him, and I know everybody else here forgives him," said After getting out from prison Baker once spoke at Carpenter's Home church and said Strader's wife, Joyce, wrote him a letter once a week while he was in prison.

What was significant was the Robert Tilton was never part of the Assembly of God or PTL Club crowd. He was an independent "faith' evangelist who saw the value of television and the buy back of Heritage USA included its state of the art Television facilities and dishes. (Oral Roberts also competed in this venture against Morris Cerullo and lost!)

The secular news media reported that in the Brownsville Assembly of God revival four pastors involved in the revival each set up personally owned non profit corporations to profit from the revival. Unfortunately for the sheep it's very common in America for TV Evangelists and even pastors and preachers to be con artists and thieves.

Although it's an American Federal law that all non profit corporations, including universities and Evangelical ministries, must release to the public their five top salaries few of the Religious ones do it

A former Pentecostal pastor sentenced to prison recently for fleecing his Colorado congregation admitted doing "some horrible, horrible, things," as a handful of church members sat in court.

According to "The Colorado Springs Gazette," John Harris, who previously led the First Assembly of God church in Canon City, received a 21-month federal prison term Tuesday for embezzling more than $350,000 from the congregation, based near Denver.

"I am sorry for the deep wounds inflicted by the crimes of fraud, deceit and lies I have committed," Harris, 41, said in court. Without authorization, he opened an account in the church's name and took loans using forged authorization from church leaders. Harris spent the cash on a spa, a golf course membership and stocks.

"He let his desires to be successful blind him to the folly of what he was doing," said Harris' attorney, Warren Williamson, who sought leniency, citing his client's family, children and history of good works.

Judge Walker Miller said the pastor pursued "the altar of the material god." "It is not my job to forgive you," Miller said, the "Gazette" reported. "It is my job to punish you." Harris' wife, Linda, will be sentenced next week for her role in the scheme.

John Harris, Morris Cerullo, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart and Karl Strader are only the tip of the iceberg of many[b] scoundrels in the Assembly of God denomination who use the sheep for their own gain. [/b] Then we have others like Dr. Henry J. Lyons, Billy, Ned and Franklin Graham, Robert Tilton, Jim Bakker to name a few.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/9te/9te026.html
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/graham.html

Boomark: You don't want to learn because you don't want to make yourself a laughing stock. I know some churches are good at mocking Jws, even when they don't know anything. I know what you fear. I was with you before. The Rock mass which is Christ, 1Cor 10:1-4, is a strong evidence from plappvile. I was looking for something that will uphold or change my stance on Heb 1:5 from the scripture, then troGun fire one shot, Luke 21:29. All because i want to back Hebrew up with something found in the scripture. Am not a Jw but i have learnt a lot from this thread.

That is the Spirit borda, i used to wonder why the JW see what others don't see. One day as i was studying,
I decided to open my heart to accept just what the scriptures says and not what i was told or made to understand.
The evidence are so plain. If one can remove pride from his mind, HE will accept only the truth.

Christ is our solid rock bro....

God bless you.

true2god: I made my point on the issue, dat JW is lying calling Jesus an angel. I dnt tink ur (or fake barrister's) excessive post will change my stance on d issue. Go and tell dat to a kindergatten pupil.
Wen next u go publishin tell ur prospect dat Jesus is an angel and make ursef a laughing stock. I knw u wont come up with dat at the outset.

The JW you are accusing have more bible knowledge than the socalled church that has fed the masses with lies for ages.

You are not being honest since this thread!

Boomark:

Italo disappeared when i asked him a question he cannot answer truthfully. Even ubenedictus. I have not seen them for a while now.

Those our brodas are born Catholic, e go take devine intervention to rescue them back to the truth....

Rich4god: The decoration abi... Now are you telling me that all those working in the bank are pagan worshipper because the last time i went to bank, there are christmas tree been used as decoration in the bank.
@bolded, do you mind telling me which disguise.

What has the birth of Christ got to do with financial organization? this alone tell you there are many aims for Christmas.
Business parties will do all they can to save it.

alexleo: Much as disagree with you on the christmas issue, let me quickly salute you for the above comment. These are statements that i love to hear from christians. Look, plappvile i really appreciate this one thing in you- your desire to follow the bible strictly and its wonderful. Only pray for more wisdom and understanding to interprete the scriptures well. God bless you my sister.

Bros, since you believe i need more more wisdom and understanding to do well, why not start praying for me?
your prayer will go a long way to improve this area. abi na lie i talk? anyway, thanks for your advice.
God bless you too.

Zikkyy: The above talks about life in general and not birth. He is saying your hustling and time spent in front of the mirror with your make-up kit are all in vain.

It talks about birth and death bro...and expanciated to time spent in chop chop like XMAS ...

Zikkyy: It applies to you as well. It's your choice not to.

Of course na, that is why i am being careful not copying Traditions of men.

I believe Christ warns against traditions of men that are not supported by the written word of God.

And you have agreed that Christmas is not Gods command. Seewhat Peter was inspired to say:
5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Paul warned against such and we see that he knew this because of the written word of God:
1Corinthians 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God

Our faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

two tradition facing us:
1) traditions of men - it is not supported by the written word of God.
2) The traditions from God - which are in accord with, and recorded in, scripture.
Which one does Christmas stands for?

Zikkyy: I referred you to same birthday by pharaoh, yes a life was lost, but at that same party, a life wad restored. And it was the life that was restored/saved that got Joseph out of jail. Joseph went on to become a great man. God used that birthday to realise his plans for lsrael.

Oh so this is how you understood it? In this case, you will also say that God used Herod's birthday for what positive purpose?
since you want Pharaoh's birthday to have a positive part

Is it positive for a life to be lost in such a party? How is this positive? there's nothing positive in this account.
That God gave Joseph knowledge to interprets their dream is a way to prove how powerful He (the God of Joseph) is.

Dont forget that these dreams were interpreted three days before Pharaohs birthday.

TroGunn: Has any of the Christmas lovers on this thread bothered to find out for themselves the origin of the unique Christmas decorations and practices? Am sure you'll find it enlightening. These things are best researched instead of asking others for the information. You owe yourself that much so at least you know why you do what you do, where it came from and how it started.

I trust they know but will keep a blind eyes to what they read. It doesn't really matter where it originated from and it purpose.
What matters is as long as they join the leading group in the chop chop thing...

Zikkyy: So the activities we retained are just a couple of decorations? Probably natural items created God for our use. That said kindly confirm if these items or decorations were carried over from saturnalia worship. Thanks.

Na so you like argument? abi na because we all na christian make u de gredie to make a point...
If you met with true pagans, when still dey keep thier yule feast till date, i tell you, you for no get mouth to talk, them go tell you say, the feast na thier own...
All the deco and co no change at all, only just modernized, Chineke mo...Zikkyy no won leave pagan people with thier festival ooo!!

Zikkyy: There will be a reason for anybody cursing the day he was. Go back and read that bible verse carefully, am sure it wad a sad man cursing the day he was born. Such curses are rare and not done for fun. It is not something to follow.

Whatever the reason, do they have to curse a day God brought them to this world? something you should start taking a deep look at.
King Solomon was inspired to write:

Ecclesiastes 5:15-16 As he came forth of his mother's womb, naked shall he return to go as he came, and shall take nothing of his labour, which he may carry away in his hand. [16] And this also is a sore evil, that in all points as he came, so shall he go: and what profit hath he that hath laboured for the wind?

Does this sound like a day to look forward to? NO . The Scripture is still telling that the day this verse describes is better than the day of one’s birth.

Rich4god: So you know this and yet you keep saying that we are of pagans.

No one is calling you a pagan, it isthe feast that is pagan, you may find urself not pleasing God for partaking in this feast.