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frosbel: Jesus's mission certainly was not to prepare the way for another bogus and morally inferior 'prophet' , talk less of bowing down 5 times before mecca..... what !!! , they prayed in Jerusalem not Mecca.

In fact I will go ahead and call your scholars thieves, stealing stories from the bible and adding Gnostic fables to form unbelievable and concocted stories bordering on comedy.

The original thief is the one after he misunderstood when Moses said GOd will send a man like himself to the Israelites, knowing that Ishmael is half Abraham and half Arab, He now drawdown His plan. And this plan worked for Him because it has to work to fulfill bible prophecy of *False Prophets*

If the Catholic church has not promoted the idea with Interfaith doctrine and went as far as to state in the catechism that the Muslims worship the same God as Christianity and therefore will enjoy the same salvation equally. You Muslim would have gotten no room claiming Biblical prophets to be Islam, Even when Islam arises after the death of all of Them. It's sad to know that an internal body of Christ thinks it doesn't matter if one is a Christian or a Muslim and that one can find salvation through either religion.
I think this idea shows the God of the Bible is confused, and this is contradictory.

wordthots: @ Bidam, I don't think frosbel is goin to backdown n listen to you.
My prayer is that the Holy spirit convicts him before he does any damage to the body of christ.
Knowledge truly puffs a person up with pride, but love edifies.(1cor 8:3).
As believers its very essential to walk in love even when pointing out to things we think are wrong.

@ plappyville, bro its absolutely ridiculous to condemn a ministry based on just one video.

Yes, but nothing wrong in pointing out certain manipulation of in a ministry as well.

wordthots: @ Bidam, I don't think frosbel is goin to backdown n listen to you.
My prayer is that the Holy spirit convicts him before he does any damage to the body of christ.
Knowledge truly puffs a person up with pride, but love edifies.(1cor 8:3).
As believers its very essential to walk in love even when pointing out to things we think are wrong.

@ plappyville, bro its absolutely ridiculous to condemn a ministry based on just one video.

Yes, but nothing wrong in pointing out certain manipulation of a ministry as well.

Bidam: have you followed..i mean really followed kenneth hagins teachings and messages...don't be hasty to judge and condemn..

This man is not perfect, even though he teaches some truth!

am not talking about the funny video frobel pasted hia from a pagan website(the video might be lies and deception to fool u)

So you call that funny video?
Holy .ghost has not started to make people look funny uh?

.satan can also make a mockery and attacks the church..destruction can start from within not outside just like you are condemning a ministry that has been a tremendous blessing to thousands of people.. A video like this can be monitored and manipulated to fool you..are u there in the meetings? How do u know it is real? Thank God for technology anything is possible these days..i wonder why people can be fooled like this.

No one is fooled here, the video showed it all...please stop defending evil manipulations!

braine: The place where bodies were cremated then was known has Gehenna, aka hell.

This is what I could find online:

Gehenna (Greek γέεννα), Gehinnom (Rabbinical Hebrew: גהנום/גהנם ) and Yiddish Gehinnam, are terms derived from a place outside ancient Jerusalem known in the Hebrew Bible as the Valley of the Son of Hinnom; one of the two principal valleys surrounding the Old City.

In the Hebrew Bible, the site was initially where apostate Israelites and followers of various Ba'als and Caananite gods, including Moloch, sacrificed their children by fire (2 Chr. 28:3, 33:6; Jer. 7:31, 19:2-6).

In both Jewish and Christian writing, Gehenna was a destination of the wicked. This is different from the more neutral Sheol/Hades, the abode of the dead, though the King James version of the Bible traditionally translates both with the Anglo-Saxon word Hell.

A tradition commonly reported in older Christian commentaries that in Roman times fires were kept burning and the valley became the garbage dump of the city, where the dead bodies of criminals, and the carcasses of animals were thrown.


You can find more on Wikipedia if you're interested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna

2 Chronicles 28:3 He burned sacrifices in the Valley of Ben Hinnom and sacrificed his sons in the fire, following the detestable ways of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites.

The Scriptures are not really talking about burning of the dead body (Cremation). The burning they did was different from the thread.
They did sacrificed thier Children to a god. This provoked the anger of Yahweh.

It shows "cremation of this type" will never be a thing pleasant to God. I do not think any true Christian will do such!

2and go out to the Valley of Ben Hinnom, near the entrance of the Potsherd Gate. There proclaim the words I tell you, 3and say, ‘Hear the word of the Lord, O kings of Judah and people of Jerusalem. This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Listen! I am going to bring a disaster on this place that will make the ears of everyone who hears of it tingle. 4For they have forsaken me and made this a place of foreign gods; they have burned sacrifices in it to gods that neither they nor their fathers nor the kings of Judah ever knew, and they have filled this place with the blood of the innocent. 5They have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind. 6So beware, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when people will no longer call this place Topheth or the Valley of Ben Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter.

Image123: who tagged it to God if not goshen? can you quote me tag it to God or you just assumed that i did?

mama bear: Please I really need an answer 2diz...

Is it bad to cross your legs in church?

I'm a catholic,I noticed each time I cross my legs in church which I do unconsciously, the wardens always tell me to drop them... Was in church with my mum today and she told me the same,I asked her why and she said I was in the presence of God, that I know but could it be that bad
I obviously know that but for christsake I'm not sitting in front neither is my dress short

How is it GOSHEN that did the tagging? the op mum and many comments here did before @Goshen came in!

Image123: who tagged it to God if not goshen? can you quote me tag it to God or you just assumed that i did?

The OP was corrected in a church, several persons here too. And they told her it was wrong to do that in the Presence of God..

Are they not using God as a means to prohibite crossing of Leg? even when they have no scripture to back this up..

Zikkyy: come, don't insult me. you think say na only xmas & easter i dey chop rice? My 'choppings' no get ending o! it just that xmas chop chop is special cos i get special time off and i always ensure i make the most of it

Then what's the use or why would Xmas be that important?

Rich4god: Cool down. Did i tell you that i cant explain it. Will put it up when the time comes, just cant type up all the explanation using a phone.
@bolded... Am serious o. So whats your take, will you honour it? Waiting for your reply.

Cool down. Did i tell you that i cant explain it. Will put it up when the time comes, just cant type up all the explanation using a phone.

Ok, i remember you said that.

@bolded... Am serious o. So whats your take, will you honour it? Waiting for your reply.

You are playing with fire.....Were is your location? i should know first...

truthislight: ma sister, this guy like christmas too much, him fit be say him like chop chop pass Zikky self.

Na this Chrismas thread the guy they only see for NL since e concern him favourite(mas).

Zikky will be very jealous.

I think so hahahaha....

Rich4god: That part of the scripture was directd to those who are involved in witchcraft, enchantments, idol worship and those who neglect the ways of God which ofcourse am not guilty of. So tell me how that applies to those celebrating xmas/birthday.

The bolded does...Check History how this was celebrated...before the modifiication. God is not in a Pagan feast, He do not listen to all the plenty prayers of this feast days.

The true Yule celebration does not involve Jesus, a manger or angels. Those traditions were
added many years later. The original Yule celebrations involve much more ancient rituals and
beliefs. Other names for this festival are: Winter Solstice, Alban Arthan, Finn's Day, Festival
of Sol, Yuletide, Great Day of the Cauldron, and Festival of Growth.

http://www.unhinderedliving.com/yule.html

Zikkyy: You are confused you just dey jump from one accusation to another.



what exactly are you saying here? @bolded, are you saying that the early Christians actually celebrated birthdays & xmas? Remember you guys told us on this very thread that there is no evidence in the scriptures that the early Christians celebrated birthdays and xmas. From the post above, it appears you are telling us that the early Christians were party animals; celebrating birthdays non-stop, though Paul was not happy with them. please clarify your position. i don't agree with your interpretation, clarify so i know if i need to update the checklist of debunked items

They did not celebrate XMAS, NEW YR etc, I never told you they did. This verse was actually pointing at the Jewish feasts then.
The new moons, the Jewish festivals, the Sabbatical years etc...

XMAS HALLOWEEN, NEW YR FITs in this verse today.
After given your life to Christ, why go back and do the same things as the Pagans? why celebrate thesame feasts with them.
You have nothing to debunk, you yourself have previously agreed this feast is not Scriptural, so how then can you debunk yourself?

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Rich4god: Shebi you don start. Which part of my post did i tell you that i want to prove the scripture wrong...?

You want to prove that those Scriptures are not directed to to church/people who take part in practice/doctrine of this kind abi?.
So take your time and come back in February, if God permits us..

Rich4god: If you want to know how we commemorate his baptism, look for a catholic and ask him or better still, visit any catholic church and ask the priest in charge.
@bolded... You no wan join me for chop chop. Ok, can i take you out, can i invite you over to my place or can you join me in visiting the motherless babies/hospital/old peoples home. [s] sorry if the first two request is rude/disrespectful to you. [/s] .peace.

Funny all this you know? You can't explain a thing you lay down, why should you lay it down at the first place? I should go and see a priest as if this is very important..
You must be joking with your invitaion i guessed

*sigh* like @truthislight..hahaha...

Image123: i don't need to. The point from the start has been that of bearing with others. When you bear/forbear, it's not about why are you offended since I'm not. You need to grow up enough to realise that one man's meat is another man's poison. The issue is to realize that it is Mr A or society A's poison. Even if it is your best food, respect that it is your 'brother's' poison, and stop serving him, quoting bible.

Than you guys should stop tagging God to it. He did not says It is wrong, neither did He expect such to offend any free human being!

[quote author=tpia@]^not sure why you're comparing your situation to the op's own when she clearly stated she is catholic and the issues happened at mass.

do nuns and catholic priests attend your church?[/quote]I'm not comparing. Whatever doctrine/practice in the body of Christ, it has to be generalised.
The bible has no different rules for each nation/Race. Christ is one, so does His message.

Yes the OP is a catholic, but since this thread we have seen that not only in the Catholic church do they impose this rule!

Some comments here are prove, or am i the one seeing double?

Rich4god: My sister i dey o. Chop chop never finish o. 13th of this month, we (catholics) are commemorating(feast) the baptism of our Lord and also there are loads of other feast/solemnity that catholics commemorate between now and easter. So enof chop chop dey o and you are invited. Infact, i go like round table for just me and you, hope JW's wont frown against it. Peace.

That post was for zikkyy, but no probs. So you never finish your chop chop? So you feast the baptism of JESUS? How do you do that? or am i missing something..

I no fit talk for JW's for this one oooo, me i no dey join ur chop chop ...

Rich4god: My dear sister, you are the one attributing/attaching all these to papanism. The last time i checkd, all these events are performed to the glory of God and we catholics, anything we are doing today is directly related to the life of Christ, i.e we(catholics) spread out the event that happened when Christ was on earth over the year, which we begin from Advent(around november) through xmas, through lent(fasting) to easter-his ancension-pentecost etc. So if you like, keep attributing it to paganism, all i know is that there is nothing pagan in what am doing. [s]Plz, by feb, i will post the full details of what catholics observe during the year and their meaning, so that you will get a full understanding of what we do. I kant do it now cos i travel and am not with my laptop, am just with my phone that uses opera mini.[/s]
@bolded, that one na u knw cos am not worshiping idol.

Are you sure you can prove those Scriptures wrong in February? Well, take your time bros...
Am just Laughing at bolded....

obadiah777: HEY HEY PLAPPVILLE NOBODY SEE YA BREAKLIGHT AT ALL. AND WHO SAID HOLY MEN WERE PEACEFUL ? EXODUS 15 VS 3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. <<< AND SINCE WE >>> GENESIS 1 VS 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: <<<< THEN WE ARE MEN OF WAR TOO

I been no dey around like DELE not like GIWA,....taking my time, spying some interesting topics...

Oh! So na this verse you use take tie urself against the hater? I hail you....

pastormustwacc: Excuse me, why you dey call my paddy monkey banana?

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]this thread is ret.arded. how did my name get tagged with this?! [/quote]OF A TRUTH,NL NA COMEDIAN WEB.........

frosbel: "As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you." - Romans 2:24

We are seeing it already...

frosbel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrpW6Xctg8Q


Watch this video by David Wilkerson on false manifestations.

Waoohh....the precher cried, what a love Showed! the very first mockery video in this thread made me felt real sad too.

How can a congregation be laughing out loud, falling on each other having nothing edifying and yet some believe they were filled with the Holy Ghost.

It hurts to see such a video. We know that no one is perfect, but some socalled MOG have devilish aims, they are out to mock God.

WOLVES...... in sheep's clothing!

Zikkyy: You have taken this your accusations to new level what do you mean by 'observed time'? Anyways this one was debunked even before you posted see item #9 on that your checklist

Zikkyy which kind accusation na? I talk anything? no, i beg see the scripture in my qoute for @Rich4god ...!
How you dey na? Chop chop don finish till easter?? Usual Seasoning chop chop for Zikkyy...

Rich4god: I realy dont understand what you mean by "observation of time". Maybe you should throw more light so that i will not misquote you. At bolded, am a christian and i know when am going beyond values/morals and i dont think my actions/doing on xmas day is wrong.

It can have to do with astrology, occult, anything that involves the moon, stars fortune telling (gbogboe) etc etc..
and mostly, if you read Deuteronomy 18:10 which is the same as Gal.4:8-10.
They are Refererence to Deut 4:19; & Deut 17:3.

Deut 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

Now see: 2 Chronicles 33:6
6 And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke him to anger.

What did Paul say? let look: 8Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. 9But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

[size=14pt]Times are: [/size]
Valentine's Day === sun god, Cupid(Nimrod), Saturnalia, Baal.
Easter Time === goddess Ishtar known as Astarte, Oestre, Ostara, queen of heaven
New Years === god Janus
Christmas Time === sun god, Saturnalia.
Saints day (Halloween Time) ==== god Samhain

You see....Yahweh hates it ...!!

Image123: I knew it, I knew it. These pastors are servants, they shouldn't even sit. We are 'making progress'.

Did I say they shouldnt sit, are there no seats in the church? Must they sit at the alter?Christ is made it plain. NO be me write am....

doubleDx: I think cremation is a good thing. As the world population increases, with or without religion, cremation will be made compulsory. Cemeteries would likely be leveled and used as space for building houses in the future!

What future? I Wouldn't doubt you anyway, but you know man's plan for the future is not certain. But we know that God has a sured plan for us in the future.

Rich4god: lol @ your response. The chronicles you quoted... Plz can you help me point out where i use witchcraft and enchantments.
The Isaiah you quoted, you should have quoted from verse 1 so what we all can see why God said He doesnt want their offering... Except if you will be accusing king David and the people of Isreal that they disobeyed God by making burnt offering at the temple or you will still accuse Zachariah the father of John of paganism cos he burnt incense to God. Am
choping now, care to join me.

Do you observe times or not? The Scripture did mention things that God hates. One of them you are victim of observe timed.

You had better understand I said, the reason God said those words is because some of their ways are not pleasing God. Their hearts were far but yet the continue to offer him offerings and prayers. Do not change my words. I could give more details but it will be lengthy so. I briefed it.

mark 9:35 He sat down, called the twelve disciples over to him, and said, "Whoever wants to be first must take last place and be the servant of everyone else."

I hope this is clear enough ...

Omo Alata: My pastor sits on the same chair the congregation sits. Even when he is not there, anyone can sit there.

Same method here, no special sit for Daddy and Mummy....