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ijawkid: And they have open verses to show that only pagans celebrated there birthdays.....now a right thinking servant of God would ask::::why did not one servant of God from abel to the 1st century christians(the apostles) celebrate there birthdays but pagans did??...........this question would even help you see why Jesus' birth day was never mentioned in the bible..........its precept upon precept......follow the examples of servants of old rather than the worldly trend...........birthdays have always had something to do with spiritism like truthislight said.....none of Gods servants would go near it..........all the birthdays mentioned in the bible were always in conflict with Gods standards..........

May God bless you my brother for this very brief straight forward truth.

ijawkid: Have I not answered this useless question before??.........YES the olympics still remains what it is....pagan!!!!!.......let's be truthfull to ourselves.........you guys have acted so jejune....just because enough evidence has been given to show the fraud xmas is you switch the topic to olympics and wedding gown.....smh!!!!!!..............is it not a shame??.........xmas has been debunked from all corners....the bible,history and what have you.....instead of you guys to be humble and allign your trained conbsciences to the truth you are here playing ten ten............

The OLYMPICS is pagan...I've answered It before and here it is again.....

I saw that you have given this answer before, but u should in true2god got derailing thread talent, that's why he brought Olympic and wedding in hahaha....even a kid will agree that Olympics Is pure Pagan !

Rich4god: Truthzlyt and plapville... I need a verse or chapter in the bible where it written that it is a pagan practice to celebrate birthday.

You don skipped those verses our brother @honeric01 and Boomark posted ? Plz scroll bk no repeating of scripture here!

Rich4god: I don taya for all of una... @Truthslight, how do celebrating my own birthday makes me an idol worshipper?

Even your thread said it that XMas is a demonic tag....gradually, you will see the fully light of God na small small ...

Zikkyy: They have a lot to hide. That's why they keep avoiding my question.

Who dey hid under pagan feast in the name of Christ birth here? Who gives Demons glory ignorantly? Plz.... Go to page 01 and treat those question. Thank you.

true2god: There is wat is called a back-ground check in magt science. If im a writer, an atheist as well, i write an article on a whole lot of issue on xtain religion i will definitely be biased cos im going to tailor my argument on my belief system. Obviosly i will nullify the existence of God, the virgin birth of christ (cos its not scientific), i will nullify the moses miracle of parting the red sea (not scientific), and i wont beleieve in xmas.

Ok if i write a book dat covers a wide range of topics dat includes my view on xmas (since i dnt even believe in God), papville and co will now use me as an authority to prove a point, is it not biase? Cos papville believs in God and i dnt even in God and she quotes me as an authority in a topic dat covers xmas.

Papvile pls share the link with us and let us do a background check on the author and his general belief on religios matter. If u cant do dat dat means u t not a sincere person.

Only when you are guilty will your mind be worried when you are accessed. By the way, where is the link/source of the above.... ?

I have told you, go and creat an Olympic and earring thread. You be talent to derail thread, I don't want to engage in these ur subjects. They are very interesting, but should be discussed else where. Thank you.

true2god: If u cant provide the source of ur argument den u r a fraud. U copied and pasted an article written by God knws who and i askd to provide the source of your 'copy and paste' info and u r running. If u dnt hav anythin to hide kindly provide the site or link where u get ur info den pple can disprove or aprove the source of ur info.

What link do you want? The head of this thread has no link to present to you, I created my thread just like u wrote the above, and you are here saying its copy and paste? There are links you will enjoy, those with pictures. Sure will I give you their source . But not until you go bk to 01 of this thread and treat those questions I asked first, you will get no link. I am proud to have desisted from lieing to my Kids that Christ birthday was 25th Dec. Stop these lies and live a free life in Christ!

Am on phone, I may not answer other of ur post. It hurts my finger aieee!

Zikkyy: So na traditional wedding you do. My sister you have been living in sin o! God no condemn jewelry abi? In the same manner he did not condemn the use of bulls for burnt offerings. But did he sanction the use of bulls as burnt offering to baal?

Zikkyy: So na traditional wedding you do.

Did i say that? and must you know the type of marriage i did?

zikkyy: My sister you have been living in sin o!

How? for getting married? and were you not living in sin before you accepted Christ? Another childish talk here...

zikkyy:God no condemn jewelry abi?

The scripture was so plain, i hope you read it? Rebekah got jewelry as a gift from her Future father inlaw's servant, true or false?

The servant then bows his head and worships God. If jewelry were sinful, his offering it as a gift to Rebekah, and then subsequently worshipping God, would be irreverent and inappropriate.

Take a look at another event on jewelry: Gen 41:42 “And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck...”

Joseph was one of the greatest men of the Old Testament, and God blessed him greatly because of his faithfulness.
In this verse, you can see that Joseph accepted jewelry as a gift from Pharaoh. If God forbade jewelry, undoubtedly, Joseph would have rejected this gift.
Gods prophets rejects thingspractice they know that offends God, we have so many proves from the bible, they will chose death than to disobey God for man.

There are many examples of Gods servant that uses Gold jewelry, what Apostles condermn in these verses (1 Tim 2:9, 1 Pet 3:3) has been misinterpreted by bible twisters.
They certainly cannot contradict the OT servants use of jewelry. Let me leave you for now, to have a glass of soft drink with this few words.
Certainly tomorrow, i am going to give quick notice to any tenant who will continue to derail this thread.....

honeric01: This is a very bad way to debate an issue, you are making spiritual stuffs look so common, we're talking about Jesus here and what Christianity should be all about, you're here trying to blackmail people into dropping the quest for fact findings.

There's a difference between celebrating what was not asked of us as "Christians" and the color of dress worn during marriage. Jesus attended marriages and never spoke against what is worn in marriages.

Zikkyy:

Don't forget to add the wedding gown, its pagan.bridal train nko? all join you better check that your wedding very well. It was pagan. If na traditional wedding yo do, then your case is worse.p

Zikkyy: I advised last time that it always good to first understand the intentions of the person you are quoting so you dont make faulty assumptions. I don't think you took my advice. I am sorry but with plappville I was not talking about Jesus. I was discussing wedding gowns and accessories.

The guy over understand you die....See him comment na.....abi na you dey fail to accept His advice self

honeric01: This is a very bad way to debate an issue, you are making spiritual stuffs look so common, we're talking about Jesus here and what Christianity should be all about, you're here trying to blackmail people into dropping the quest for fact findings.

There's a difference between celebrating what was not asked of us as "Christians" and the color of dress worn during marriage. Jesus attended marriages and never spoke against what is worn in marriages.

Don't mind Zykky, He can not provide a scripture in his post, all He does is showing childishness.....He need to upgrade...

truthislight: we dont worship olympic or olympic activities.

Chrismas form part of "christiandom" worship in the christian slander.

There is the christmas carol.

The sunday Chrismas service. Etc

When i asked my pastor where it was writen that christian should celebrate Xmas, He said, there is no scripture but we are doing it for Christ.
Then i asked Him, what does Christ mean when He warns against men traditions? He was short of words because He knew that verse directly is warning against these kind of feasts.

The last sunday service was....Christians has to cooperate, we should unite in things that has to do with Christ. blablabla....
I follow the truth, if His msg speaks underwise, Sorry, i don't accept it......We are never alone when listening/studing the word of God.

true2god: Does the link u paste has any biblical backing? U give me link and i will educate on wat u may not knw or see in the link. I knw u hav the link, so if u want us educate ourselve giv me the source of ur research.

Then take your weapon to refute thoses claims..... You think the Pagans are happy you are trying to modify thier feast? .....

You have to educate yourself with the scripture dear, try more!!

Zikkyy: Don't forget to add the wedding gown, its pagan.bridal train nko? all join you better check that your wedding very well. It was pagan. If na traditional wedding yo do, then your case is worse.p

I have told you before, this thread is exposing your level of thinking...i wouldn't believe you think very shallow until here chaiieee!!

Zikkyy: You see yourself na? what do you mean ring is not the centre of your marriage? abeg make I hear better word! Your wedding is of pagan origin jor if I tell you am not thinking ancient pagan worship when am celebrating Xmas, you go begin argue. The only reason am not using words like 'hypocrite' is because you guys are my good friends.

Go and sleep my friend , i stopped Christmas, easter, birthday celebration not very long ago. after much research and seeing they are not Scripture examples.
I have listened to sound sermons, Scriptures used are so plain, should i still harden my heart towards the word of God and do things my way instead of God's way? NO.

The issue of ring just rises here, i know the bible does not condernm the use of jewelry, It only condermn the abuse of it. See how appreciating jewelry is in the bible.

Gen 24:47, 48 “And I asked her, and said, whose daughter art thou? And she said, the daughter of Bethuel, Nahor's son, whom Milcah bare unto him: and I put the earring upon her face, and the bracelets upon her hands. And I bowed down my head, and worshipped the LORD, and blessed the LORD God of my master Abraham, which had led me in the right way to take my master's brother's daughter unto his son.”

Here we have a rather tender story of Abraham's servant giving jewelry to Rebekah, who was the
woman God had specially chosen for Isaac. Rebekah would not have accepted it, or the servant wouldn't
have offered it, if it was not pleasant in the eyes of His masters God.

I have told @true2god to creat a thread for the ring discussion, I do not want to derail this thread.
It makes no sense pretending to be following God why indulging in Pagan feasts or pratice.

By the way, i wasn't a believe when i got married then, so you can't judged me with my past.

And i repeat, it cost me nothing to take it off if truelly proven its paganism!

true2god: Do u knw why im so happy with ur research (and some of u guys), nearly all the authorities u guys quote from wikipedia and other 'google' to refute certain xtain practices or beliefs are either xtain bashers or atheist. If logicboy for example tells me dat xmas is an idol worship, God never exist, hell fire is not real, no heaven, i wont mind cos dats a normal response frm an atheist. But if i quote logicboy,as a reference, dat xmas does not exist and i cannot quote him wen he says there is no God, den im a hypocrite.

This is goin by the link u pasted to nullify the essence of xmas, do me a favour by sharing the link where u get ur info and other belief the writer hold with respcet to general xtain doctrine and practices.

Have you done me a favour yet? Answer those questions jor! I don't have time for unnecessary talk. If you have nothing to prove with the tool God gave to us to use in correcting ourselves, then be watching this thread from the side line. I like indulging in scriptural proves not vain words.

Christmas or Xmas is thesame tag= demonic feast. Christians have their feast in the Scripture those who adopted the Pagan feast are ignorantly glorifying the god of this World.
IF You are been honest, your advise should be....Christian desist from the pagan Yule feast (Christmas/ xmas) the reason for this winter season feast is Oga Satan. Stop raging Yahweh to what he hates...

true2god: Nobody is divertin any thread. The catholics had been sincere enof to declare that the day christ was actually born cannot be ascertained but Dec 25 was officially chossen to commemurate the birth of christ and both of us knw dat no idol is worship in Dec 25, but public holidays is declared in over 90% of the countries world wide.

It is good to criticize but wen u turn a deaf ear on others opinion dat amount to dictatorship. U might hav been told dat xmas, birthday, new yr, easter, independence day, may day are all pagan worship. But wen u refuse to see reason or good in anything good dat amounts to hypocrisy. Whether u open one million thread against xmas it wont stop 99% of mankind celebrating xmas.

If u r married were u given any marital ring or did ur spouse did u any engagement ring? If yes den u r deeply into idolatory as well (according to ur analysis of wat is an idloatory). Check the origin of engagement ring.

If u condemn dec 25 do u sanction 1914? My lady pls be objectiv in ur criticsm. Its all about organizational thing.

You are the one deraillling....go answer those question and invite me when you creat a
wedding ring thread. I will participate, I am married with a ring. If I can put away all these pagan feast after after knowing their roots, putting my ring off is nothing. After all ring is not the center of our r marriage. Love is

BARRISTERS: @True2God
You actually ran away since page 30,..9 pages ago,you dodged the question posed to you;


here is the question again;

[size=14pt]True2God claiming a proud member of ASSEMLIES OF GOD church confirmed on page 20[/size];

i actually loved his stout devotion to the church, but few question, among load of discoveries,

1, During World War I, The Weekly Evangel, an official publication of the Assemblies of God, carried this prediction: "We are not yet in the Armageddon struggle proper, but at its commencement, and it may be, if students of prophecy read the signs aright, that Christ will come before the present war closes, and before Armageddon...The war preliminary to Armageddon, it seems, has commenced." (April 10, 1917 edtion, page 3).
Other editions speculated that the end would come no later than [size=14pt]1934 or 1935[/size] ( May 13, 1916 pp 6-9 etc)

These predictions failed.

(true2God and failed prophecy part 1a)

is Reverend Benny Hinn an Assemblies of God minister?.
you may see these links before you answer so that you dont neccesarily edit answers!

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/benny_hinn_sets_prophetic_dates.htm

or


http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/assemblies_of_god.htm

(true2God and failed prophecy part 1b)

assemblies of God doctrines;

a.HOLY LAUGHTER HERESY
b,SPEAKING IN TONGUES HERESY
c,LOSING SALVATION HERESY
d,FAITH HEALING SERVICES (DELIVERANCE)


i would love to disccuss above doctrine of yours, but first


a.HOLY LAUGHTER HERESY

is it true that there is actualy a doctrine of yours whereby you guys laugh like a jackall and disguise the abnormal laugh as a.HOLY LAUGHTER?

True2god respect herself wen I gave her/,him a free leave from my thread he was about to derail this morning. He is known for this act now....always out of topic...

Boomark: This is how.

New International Version
(©1984)
On that day the LORD will
shield those who live in
Jerusalem, so that the
feeblest among them will
be like David, and the
house of David will be like
God, like the Angel of the
LORD going before them.

God is a title. The angel is God but not equal to God the Father, his God. So Jesus is that angel who is like God(the Father).

Is high time you tell that to PopeItalo....

Barrister: whats your business with the tread owner? his contributions were not videos and cartoons like yours,it was sanitised!

Boomark: This is how.

New International Version
(©1984)
On that day the LORD will
shield those who live in
Jerusalem, so that the
feeblest among them will
be like David, and the
house of David will be like
God, like the Angel of the
LORD going before them.

God is a title. The angel is God but not equal to God the Father, his God. So Jesus is that angel who is like God(the Father).

SEE MY BRODA JUST FINISH MATTER GBAM ....waoo GOd don reveal things for this forum oooo..Hallelujah!

frosbel: Goshen accept my warm heart-felt congratulations , looking forward to more chats and discussions in 2013. Yes we won, because your win is ours , but we have more work to do next year for the time is short.

Logicboy , we will vote for you next year if you leave insults behind , but you indeed made this section more vibrant and exciting in 2012. I know you have a good heart, all the best. Wishing you a prosperous 2013.

Anony, first off , you wrongly stated I declined a telephone call in another thread, this is untrue, I remember telling you that I do not give out my numbers for fear of summary execution by a number of people .

But I admire and appreciate your level headedness in debates and immense contribution to the expatiation of a number of key Christian doctrines. You live about 45 miles from me , not so far , who knows we might meet up sometime in 2013. God bless and a happy 2013.

To all the atheists , I wish you a conversion this same time 2013 and to all the Christians and others have a wonderful New year celebration.

The best wish so far as par this thread....nice one bro!

[quote author=Bélla3]I TRUST YOU.

Erm erm, the bill below:

isi ewu=40k(na oga Goshen finish am.
Fried rice=6k na plapville and ATMC finish am.
Red wine=30k(na buzugee, frm spirit wey finish am. He got a little help from Goshen)
Salad=10k(na al those oyinbo bred na we no let the salad rest)
poundo and egusi=20k(when seriallink and ijawkid pounced on it, i knew it was gone.
Champagne=100k(the heathens, logicboy, muskeetoes..etc where al sneaking in 4 a drink
water na free.


total=260k[/quote]When food test too good, we must clean the plate with bagette (bread) ...........That's a typical French tradion
I did that to ur fried rice because it was delice..miam!!

Zukyy:[size=14pt] what we know is that the scriptures is silent on the matter of birthday.[/size]

You have skiped several of my posts, even when i reposted them, you have refused to respond, Your statement here is false.
I have shown scriptures that treated "Birthday", but you have ignored them...wayo boy

Zikkyy: But i no talk so na why you say i lie Lol!



You dey there? how you take know were you a member of the council?



If God already penned it down you should be able to say yes or no na.

To avoid unnecessary arguement, that was why i presented you The Scripture that explains or gives the best answer to your questions.

plendil: Ah, the circular logic 101.

Nowhere in the Bible are instructed to celebrate Christmas. But nowhere are we instructed not to.

Good logic .....OK!
Does the scripture records Birthday occasions or not? If yes, who are they that Celebrated thier birthday according to Scripture and what happened at the parties?

eddy spice: matthew 11:25 we can either think like a babe to gain d mind of christ or a proud critic who wants the way things are.pls leave them alone to do whats pleasing in thier eyes.they r physically incline

You re right, The truth should stop coming because some fellows refused to open thier minds to accept it.
Trust me, it will help others with open minds..So lets keep them coming.

Thanks!

Rich4god: You should have gone to the classroom/staff room and keep forming your notes. Shouldnt have stayed at home on 25th.

This is childish, its a world wide holiday and you expect Him to do magic? He stayed at home not partaking in what the Holiday is the best thing He has done.

Rich4god: All this things you are just saying is just assumpton. As long as i am concerned, i didnt see where the scripture said we should not celebrate xmas/ or that celebrating is a sin. I let me tell you. That pagans used or did something in the past does not make me a sinner when i do it. Soif you think its a sin, good for you and refrain from it cos its what you believe.

Which/what example are you following as per celebrating Christmas?

Why does God care whether or not you celebrate birthdays? After all, it is a chance for you to
give presents to someone and make him or her feel good. What could be wrong with this?

Here is what God commands:
“Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven, for the heathen are dismayed by them. For the customs of the people are vain” (Jer. 10:2, 3).

After God freed Israel from slavery, He clearly instructed them: (Lev. 18:3) “After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein you dwelt, shall you not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, where I bring you, shall you not do: neither shall you walk in their ordinances” .

God commanded that they not defile themselves with the practices and customs of the surrounding nations (lev 18:24-30)
“Therefore shall you keep My ordinance, that you commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that you defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God”

This is an emphatic command from God. He does not want His servants dabbling in the customs of this world.
Scriptures has proven that God hates all pagan customs and traditions—birthday celebrations are not an exception!


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Modern birthday parties and celebrations by children take their form mainly from Germany, where the birthday child received gifts, chose a menu, and received a candle-ringed butter or jam cake. The book The Lore of Birthdays, by Ralph and Adelin Linton, gives a brief look at the history of birthday celebrations:

“The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life.
This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born.”

The book continues: “The Romans also subscribed to this idea…This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint…The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks…honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [the god Artemis]…Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes…Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune.”

Saying “happy birthday” to friends and loved ones was society’s superstitious way of protecting them from evil spirits. Birthday thumps, bumps, pinches, etc., were said to bring luck and send away evil spirits. Party snappers, horns and other noisemakers were also intended to scare off bad-luck spirits.

It should now be clear that birthdays are not only unbiblical, they are pagan! therefore Christ birth has nothing to do with this Pagan practice.

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Why was Birthday not recorded with God's servants in the Bible if it pleases God for them to mark thier birthday?

In refuting the misinterpretation of Matthew 2:1, 11: Jesus did not recieve birthday Gifts but recieved Gifts as a KING.

Origin of Birthdays

where did birthday celebrations come from? The astonishing answer is from the pagan practice of astrology! Thousands of years ago, when men looked up into the night sky and charted the stars, they invented calendars and calculated the birth dates, to the very hour, of kings, rulers and their successors. These ancient pagan astrologers meticulously examined horoscopes and birthday omens because they believed that the fate of the rich and powerful might affect an entire society. Even to this day, men have been putting their trust in horoscopes instead of God.

In ancient Egypt, the pharaohs ordered businesses to close on their birthdays and gave enormous feasts for hundreds of servants. In ancient Greece, wealthy males joined birthday clubs composed exclusively of men who shared their birth date. Once a month, the club celebrated with a feast. When a member died, he left money to help pay for future parties. In Persia, noblemen observed their birthdays by barbecuing an ox, a camel and a donkey and serving hundreds of small cakes to the celebrants.

In ancient Rome, the emperor gave huge parties in honor of his own birthday, which included parades, circuses, and gladiatorial combat. The celebration of days was so important to the average Roman citizen that the Roman calendar designated a majority of days for some form of celebration—including many birthdays of gods and famous men.

[center]The Roman calendar, with its emphasis on continual celebration, has had great influence on modern society. Consider the following quote about the origin of the Roman calendar:[/center]

“Our [Roman] calendar is not Christian in origin. It descends directly from the Egyptians, who originated the 12 month year, 365 day system. A pagan Egyptian scientist, Sosigenes, suggested this plan to the pagan Emperor Julius Caesar, who directed that it go into effect throughout the Roman Empire in 45 B.C. As adopted it indicated its pagan origin by the names of the months—called after Janus, Maia, Juno, etc. The days were not named but numbered on a complicated system involving Ides, Nones, and Calends. It was not until 321 A.D. that the seven-day week feature was added, when the Emperor Constantine (supposedly) adopted Christianity. Oddly enough for his weekdays he chose pagan names which are still used” (Journal of Calendar Reform, Sept. 1953, p. 128).

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