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frosbel: Well Goshen has the highest number of votes thus far (for Christians.)

That's why all votes should go for Him...........Goo GOSHEN.....We are with you!!

wake up Christians...and vote Him

seriallink: Minus SL Christmas ko Christmisti ni I no see am for Bible. I ain't part of it!

The big big names PASTORS see am for bible? Thank God for you bro....

obadiah777: YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN HAVE SPIRITUAL AWAKENING IN A PHYSICAL BODY RIGHT ? THATS WHY THEY WENT AND APPEARED AND PREACHED TO MANY AFTER BEING RESSURECTED FROM THE SPIRITUAL GRAVE THEY WERE IN. YOU DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE IN SPIRITUAL GRAVES AS WE SPEAK. FOR EXAMPLE ATHEISTS ARE IN SPIRITUAL GRAVE.

VERSE 28 MEANS ALL THOSE IN SPIRITUAL GRAVES. BECAUSE THOSE OF US NOT IN THE GRAVE, WE HEAR HIS VOICE THROUGH THE COMFORTER. THE WORDS OF THE BIBLE, THAT IS. THESE WORDS IN THE BIBLE ARE HIS SPIRIT.

VERSE 29 MEANS THOSE OF US WHO HEAR HIS VOICE THROUGH THE SCRIPTURES WILL WAKE UP, WHICH I HAVE, TO THE RESSURECTION OF LIFE AND IN THE NEXT WORLD, RULERSHIP. HOWEVER SOME WILL NOT WAKEN TO THE WORD UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE WHICH IS WHEN HE ARRIVES. THOSE WILL WAKEN TO DAMNATION WHICH IS SECOND DEATH. HOWEVER THIS ONLY APPLIES TO THE GENTILES. THE JEWS HAVE GONE PAST THIS PHASE. THE JEWS WHO DID NOT AWAKEN TO THE WORD ARE ALREADY IN SECOND DEATH AND HAVE BEEN FOR AROUND 2000 YEARS NOW. AS SCRIPTURE SAYS, JEW FIRST AND THEN GENTILES NEXT

WHEN CHRIST COMES, THE SECOND DEATH OF THE JEWS END. THE SUFFERING OF NEGROS END. TIME FOR US TO RULE IN RIGHTEOUSNESS. ONLY THE ELECT. 144,000. THE REST WILL JUST BE CITIZENS IN THE
KINGDOM BUT BY ASSOCIATION OF THEIR FELLOW NEGROS BEING IN CONTROL OF THE WORLD, THEY WILL BE GREAT AND RESPECTED BY ASSOCIATION. TIME FOR THE OTHER GENTILE NATIONS TO TASTE HELL.

Na waoh for ur interpretations oooo
Well i'm not going agree or disagre with them. But i believe many of biblical stories happen physically.
The Apostles withnessed many and they proved this.

2 Peter 16 For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son,[i] with whom I am well pleased,” 18 we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. 19 And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20 knowing this first of all, that ""no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation"". 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Just one question, is the Holy Spirit behind all this your interpretations?

eddy spice: yeah questions that need answers indeed

Only the Catholics are proud to defend Christmas anytime anyday, other Christians who criticised them can't even stand to defend it.

They better tell us the History of Christmas or they should stop accussing Catholics of men traditions.

NA THESAME ROPE TIE THEM TOGETHER

seriallink: Good questions!

Yeah my broda its a good question, but i can tell you many will hid from answering it hahahaha....

obadiah777: AHHHH OK SO YOU WERE A MEMBER OF THE FORUM A WHILE BACK AND TOOK A BREAK ? I MYSELF HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A YEAR SOLID NOW. LOL. IN FACT I HAVE MADE THIS PLACE MY CHURCH. ITS GOOD THOUGH. SCRIPTURE SAYS DO NOT IGNORE THE COMPANY OF BELIEVERS. SO I GUESS SEEING AS IT IS A VIRTUAL WORLD, WE ARE DOING IT VIRTUALLY SCRIPTURE ALSO SAYS WHERE TWO OR MORE ARE GATHERED IN MY NAME THERE WILL I BE. SO I AM SURE THE LORD IS HERE CHILLING WITH US AND WHATNOT. ALL IN ALL, OUR PASTIME WILL TAKE US TO HEAVEN, GOD WILLING. A WIN WIN SITUATION IF YOU ASK ME

Nairaland your church? hahahha......

frosbel: What's going on here, is this an atheist board or Christian board

Those who are voting for the one who will not win instead of the brother, what really is your purpose here.

Remember it is between the PEST and the Brother

The brother will be on top if all christians agrees on the brother with higher votes.....[size=14pt]GO GOSHEN360[/size]

You go fear campaign na

The world most celebrated feast is around the corner, everyone is preparing, houses are decorated, schools and offices, people wear Christmas hats,
Gifs from left and right, Children presurising parents for toys, The market is crowded with so much items and people,
So much advertisement in the TV on Christmas, firdge filled up with much alcohol, Special meal are cook on this great day [size=14pt]25th[/size]etc..etc.

But come to think of it, are true Christian ever sat down and ask themselve why Christmas has been this important to the entire world?

No one will eat a food that he/she does not know where it comes from or what ingredients used in cooking that food.
Likewise, Christians that celebrate Christmas would as well want to know the source and root of this world wide great feast.

It may be that it is rooted from the Scripture or that the Apostles or Jesus Mother instructed it? well, only the Scripture can speak for us.
So, i had like Christians that celebrate Christmas to please tell us if they have a knowledge of what they celebrate, or if they
celebrate it without knowing what it means.


So few questions for you:

When was the earliest december 25 (christmas day) marked?

When was it officially made a civic Holiday in the Roman Empire?

Was this before Jesus birth or after?

Did the Apostle or Jesus Mother celebrated it?

You can get your answers from the Scripture or the Catholic Encyclopedia, 1911 edition.

Notes: Ancient Christmas pictures can be posted by anyone. Have fun as we discover Christmas.

I cried for , What a pretty litty girl. @OP, there is no reason to curse or hate God, I believe God will take total controls of her health,

If the doctor is able to arrive at the point he was before the video went of, then God is taking control. She will be fine, Its unfortunate the video went off.

Wonderful doctor i must say!

Wonders shall never end......

This man has twisted the Scripture to fit the forbiden tree/fruit as Tithe

Adam did not tithe because He had everything, when Adam tempered with God's tithe He was cursed. See point na... ,
this is how they twist scripture to colonize christians who give thier ears to them.

I wonder who ordain some of them as pastors. It seems memorising the Bible is the key and then fry ur hair to have them curly.

Then after, whetever garbish they preach, their congregation welcome it.

What a shame!

buzugee: ECCLESIASTICUS 13 VS 2 do not associate with someone greater and richer than yourself

ECCLESIASTICUS 18 VS 18 what peace can there be between a hyena and a dog. what peace can there be between a rich and a poor person ? vs 20 as humility disgusts the proud, so the rich are disgusted by the poor.

Sound truth!

obadiah777: WELL ITS LIKE THIS. THE FIRST FRUITS GOT SELECTED WITH WHAT IS KNOWN AS MOSES LAW. HOWEVER THEY ARE STILL HUMAN AND SUBJECT TO SIN. HOWEVER THEY GOT SELECTED BASED ON THE FACT THAT THEY DID NOT SUBSCRIBE TO OTHER DOCTRINES ( REVELATION 14 VS 4, WHICH OTHER DOCTRINE IS CALLED WOMEN OR IDOLS ). HOWEVER THEY ARE STILL IN A FALLEN STATE AND AS SUCH THE LORD IS NOT DEALING WITH THEM AND CANNOT WORK THROUGH THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD. SO HOW DOES THE LORD RECTIFY THAT SITUATION SO THAT HE CAN USE THEM AS HIS REPRESENTATIVES ON EARTH. HIS EYE ON EARTH. HIS TWO LAMPS BEFORE A WICKED WORLD. HE HAS TO UPLIFT THEM FROM SPIRITUAL DEATH AND FORGIVE THEIR SINCE RETROACTIVELY AND PROACTIVELY SO THAT THEY WILL STAY CONNECTED TO THE LORD FOREVER. HOW DOES HE DO THIS. HE SENDS A MAN FROM THEIR TRIBE OF ISRAEL, CHRIST, TO NAIL THEIR SINS ON THE CROSS FOREVER ( LEVITICUS 17 VS 11 ) ( MATTHEW 15 VS 24 ) ( ACTS 5 VS 31 ). AND ONCE CHRIST DIED AND RESSURECTED, THE COMPLETION NEEDED TO FORGIVE THE SINS OF THE ELECTED FIRST FRUIT WAS COMPLETE AND THEIR SPIRITS ( SOULS ) WAS LIFTED TO HEAVEN ( RECONNECTED TO THE FATHER ). THIS IS WHAT THAT VERSE IS TALKING ABOUT. THEY CAME OUT OF THEIR SPIRITUAL GRAVES. ITS SPIRITUAL NOT PHYSICAL. THEY AWOKE FROM THEIR SPIRITUAL DEATH AND THEN WENT AND MINISTERED TO MANY.

Ok, so it was spiritual and the writer could go the extend to illustrate how they appeared to people as if He withnessed it.

What about verse 28 and 29.? we can see that Jesus was talking about two events the verse 25 was the fulfilled.

Isn’t that the resurrection of the just and the unjust? Isn't the resurrection of those who sleep in the dust of the earth, i mean
the deads, wasn’t their resurrection to take place in the end of the age? (Matt. 13:39-40)


28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is "coming", in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; "they that have done good", unto the resurrection of life; and "they that have done evil", unto the resurrection of damnation.

obadiah777: LOLZ IN MY DEFENSE, AND FACTUALLY, MY NOMINATIONS ARE BASED ON 'LONGEVITY OF INTERACTIONS' AMONGST OTHER THINGS. AND IT AINT GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH SEXISM EITHER. FROM THE EARLY DAYS I JOINED I USED TO KICK IT WITH EMOFINE, HOWEVER SHE VANISHED. JESOUL, WELL SHE KEEPS A RESPECTABLE DISTANCE AS THE BOSS LADY. ONLY RECENTLY HAVE I BECOME FAMILIAR WITH YOU, BELLA3 AND ATMC, SO EITHER I WAS BLIND ( WHICH I DOUBT ) OR YOU GUYS JUST STARTED POSTING ACTIVELY HERE RECENTLY. EITHER WAY YOU ARE ALL INTELLIGENT, WELL VERSED AND GREAT WITH SCRIPTURAL EXEGESIS AND NEXT YEAR IF THE WORLD HAS NOT ENDED YET YOU WILL ALL BE MY NOMINEES IF THEY ALLOW 3

LOLZ IN MY DEFENSE, AND FACTUALLY, MY NOMINATIONS ARE BASED ON 'LONGEVITY OF INTERACTIONS' AMONGST OTHER THINGS. AND IT AINT GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH SEXISM EITHER.

I feel you on that point, your choice was made, and it was perfect for you, that's fine i think.

FROM THE EARLY DAYS I JOINED I USED TO KICK IT WITH EMOFINE, HOWEVER SHE VANISHED. JESOUL, WELL SHE KEEPS A RESPECTABLE DISTANCE AS THE BOSS LADY. ONLY RECENTLY HAVE I BECOME FAMILIAR WITH YOU, BELLA3 AND ATMC, SO EITHER I WAS BLIND ( WHICH I DOUBT ) OR YOU GUYS JUST STARTED POSTING ACTIVELY HERE RECENTLY.

My brother, you no blind @all, you know say women no dey get plenty time like men, so we no fit dey frequent Forum like una

OR YOU GUYS JUST STARTED POSTING ACTIVELY HERE RECENTLY

Well, for me shall, i don dey post for some years now, but i been go on leave for some time, no be lie you talk
But some of us dey try small small....We no get choice, we have to share the faith and stay in touch, its important i think.

EITHER WAY YOU ARE ALL INTELLIGENT, WELL VERSED AND GREAT WITH SCRIPTURAL EXEGESIS AND NEXT YEAR IF THE WORLD HAS NOT ENDED YET

Thank you bro, But You always err with this ur "world end" matter

YOU WILL ALL BE MY NOMINEES IF THEY ALLOW 3

Na you try pass....1000 likes for you!

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR PLAPPVILLE. SCRIPTURE DO SAY >>> 1 PETER 5 VS 8 Be sober, be vigilant; *SMDH*

My brothar thanks for that Scripture reminder, no be my fault booo, plenty things at same time no dey make person see everything wen dey happen around.
But i no miss everything shall, i still dey vote dey go.....GOSHEN360 go....bro!

Queendo: Whao, lovely pics. God bless Daddy and Mummy 'GO'

Are you ignorant of the scripture? Christ Himself said this; S M H....

Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

How is Christmas a tradition of God? i thought we are to follow the tradition of Jesus Christ and his apostles and not of men?
Catholic gave birth to this tradition, since then it was adopted by some Christian that broke up from the Catholics.
They could accused the Catholic of idolatry and unscriptural traditions... yet they refused to trow away some of thier traditions. "SHAME"

Jesus knew this will originates, so He persistantly warns against it, but some people will ignore theses verses and prefares to flow with the world.

The word of God, versus the traditions of men
The commandment of God versus the commandments of men

Which one is to be obeyed, we can't pretend to do the both, it has to be one. The fun in this feast is
what has blinded the eyes of many to accept its origin is from the Pagan world.....S.....M.....H

Matthew 15:3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Apostle Paul also sound this warning:

Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

advocate666: I nominate myself first. ('cos I am a Satanist and charity begins at home. Also not against the rules)
Second is Logicboy. (even though he specialises in derailing threads, I love how he makes the godly go bonkers)
Third is Obadiah777. (whatever he is smoking is out of this world so he gets my vote)

This one is so funny ooo!

obadiah777: GREAT SECTION. THE BEST SECTION ON NAIRALAND BY A MILE. THE ONLY SECTION WHERE YOU CAN INTELLECTUALLY WAGE WAR BASED ON HISTORIC RESEARCH. SETTLED FULLY INTO THE SECTION BEGINNING OF THE YEAR 2012 AND HAVE BEEN HERE EVER SINCE. ANYWAY I WISH I CAN NOMINATE EVERYONE BECAUSE I DONT THINK THERE IS ONE SINGLE PERSON IN THIS SECTION THAT I HAVE NOT HAD A BLAST WITH, AND I MEAN THAT GENUINELY. BUT SEEING AS WE ARE LIMITED TO TWO, I HAVE TO GO FOR THE GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN WITH ME, AND HAVE HAD MY BACK IN THIS SECTION THROUGH THICK AND THIN. TWO FORMIDABLE AND SOLID BROTHERS. IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER
IJAWKID
SERIALLINK

Even you that do usually ERR still forget me?

JeSoul: So many quality posters & friends of mine, if I had to pick for this year, I go for-

-Goshen360
This brother is so cool and level-headed. I've never seen him throw or reply an insult (a rare thing on NL) and his detailed inputs on threads (as well as the many quality ones he opens) are always well thought-out & articulated. In addition, MMW and myself appreciate when he steps in and replys a question from posters when we're not there. My good brother in Christ, I appreciate him tons.

-Plaetton
Such a cool dude this plaetton. This guy for me has the most memorable quotes from 2012 and I'm not sure he realizes what a deep & profound mind he has. I enjoy his perspective as an atheist on christian threads (?? though I doubt deep down he doesn't hold a quiet fondness for the spiritual ). Always cool & never rash, brash or harsh. I hope he posts for many many threads to come.

Honorable mentions:
Emofine, I miss this girl. Her posts/threads are always so loaded and she's so so slick and good with words. I told her she should be in speech-writing.
Plappville, my sister (so few of us ladies in here), always sweet & funny with solid inputs and never fights.
Buzugee, this guy is crazy fun, crazy cool and just plain crazy lol.
Logicboy, though he's like the energizer bunny on aba-made steriods, I credit him for giving NL atheists a louder voice.

At least, this one boast my moral, Honestly, You re a sisterly, the boys no dey see us but we dey see ourselves

I see why it will take centuries and centuries for a woman to rule Nigeria ! So all the wonderful female in this forum are forgetten euhm?
(let me borrow @obadiah777 language) Guys, you all do err, you vote only Male, so we the female are not important abi?

I call for strick in this forum, oya...ladies in the house....Lets go on strick for at lease one months....and see if this place won;t be spiritless
(End of joke) now bk to serious matter.

It's Unfortunate i didn't come across this thread on time, i could have voted my best 5 candidates. Well, am so glad one of them is still on the race.
I believe He merits it for some of these reasons. Thread Content wise, allowing Scripture interprets itself, His messages are
well written in a comprehensible fashion, well creative, aim of thread is mostly helpful.

His topics are signs of critical thinking and of a deep understanding. Threads are written with focus and matured language skills.
Above all, His presentations are scripture made easy. BUT JUST ONE WORK REMAINING FOR HIM: THIS VERY DOCTRINE

This person is......@@@@@@@@@......GOSHEN360 YES!!!

I saw a video in the yahoo home page last two weeks ago, it was in Australia, Part of the river was becoming red.

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

Jesus is the messenger of Yahweh, He is not God. God cannot be messenger of HIMSELF.

Should we agree that God has changed?
Num 23:19: God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

1Samuel 15:29: And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

Malachi 3:6: For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

It is so clear, that God is not LIKE a man to repent or change his mind, God is not LIKE a man to be weak and have no power, God is not LIKE a man to becom a servant. This is the main msg that God is telling. If Jesus is indeed God, then God has suddenly taken a drastical decision to change. The change is not because he became a man or son of man,but becaus his attributes and essence have completely CHANGED.

God’s attributes never change, he is ALWAYS all POWERFUL He has all power and authority.

Jesus was not ALL POWERFUL or all KNOWING, all He had and known was from the God. (Matthew 24:36) Power and authority was GIVEN Him. ((John 5:30-47) Christ could do nothing one His own, all miracles, and His teaching. Were directly from He who is greater than Him "God" ( John 12:49)

God is not "LIKE" a man. So basicaly if trinitaeians are to believe Jesus is God, then they are in no doubt saying that God did change and lied when he said he does not change.

Scripture says Christ needed His Father. John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that ""I do nothing of myself""; "but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things".

John 5:30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

Hebrews 5:7-8 7During the days of Jesus life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and [b] tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. 8Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered [/b]

God OWNS everything, power, authority including His Son: Eeverything Christ had was from His Father. John 14:24 He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.(Mat 28:18, John 13:3,) .

The OT confirms God gave Jesus power and authority: Daniel 7: 13-14 13“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Jesus is in no way God, and if Jesus is God, then God did definitely change! This contradict the 3 previews chapters i posted.
Christ cannot be the same God who said he does not change.

obadiah777: YES ALL THE FIRST FRUITS WERE RAISED UP DURING THIS PERIOD. THESE FIRST FRUITS WILL THEN HAVE THEIR SINS PERMANENTLY BLOTTED OUT SO THAT THEY CAN PUT TOGETHER THE NEW TESTAMENT WHICH WILL OFFER SALVATION TO THE GENTILE NATIONS. THE FIRST FRUITS WERE ALL ISRAELITES. THE LATER FRUITS WILL BE THE REST OF THE WORLD. THE ISRAELITES WHO ARE THE FIRST FRUIT WILL WRITE THE LAWS THAT WILL UNITE THE GENTILES WITH ISRAEL UNDER THE LAW. THIS IS CALLED THE NEW TESTAMENT. THIS IS WHY CHRIST DEATH SPIRITUALLY RESSURECTED THE FIRST FRUIT PERMANENTLY. SO THAT GOD CAN WORK THROUGH THEM TO WRITE THE NEW TESTAMENT ( PAUL WAS PART OF THE FIRST FRUIT AS WELL AS ALL THE AUTHORS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT ). THE WAGES OF SIN IS SPIRITUAL DEATH. IF YOU ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD THE LORD CANT WORK THROUGH YOU. AND YET THESE FIRST FRUITS WILL STILL BE IN THIS WORLD WITH THEIR SINFUL AND LUSTFUL BODIES. THIS IS WHY THEY NEEDED THEIR RETROACTIVE AND PROACTIVE SINS WIPED OUT SO THE LORD CAN USE THEM WITHOUT THE CONNECTION BEING CUT OFF BY THEIR SINS. AND WITH THE NEW TESTAMENT WRITTEN, THE GENTILE NATIONS CAN START THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO BE PART OF THE LATER FRUITS WHICH WILL BE HARVESTED WHEN THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS ESTABLISHED PERMANENTLY ON EARTH. HOPE THIS ALL MAKES SENSE TO YOU

SO IF YOU MEAN ARE THE FIRST FRUITS THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL BE HARVESTED ? THE ANSWER IS NO. THERE IS A LATER FRUIT TO BE RAISED FROM SPIRITUAL DEATH WHEN CHRIST RETURNS. HOWEVER YOU WILL GET REFERENCES TO THIS IN THE BOOK OF ACTS ON DOWNWARDS BECAUSE PAUL IS THE APOSTLE OF THE GENTILES AND HIS WORK STARTED ON THE GENTILES FROM ACTS. HOWEVER FOR A SUMMARIZED VERSION YOU CAN READ THE BOOK OF REVELATION CHAPTER 11

AND MAY I ADD, THE DEAD RAISED UP IS NOT PHYSICALLY DEAD PEOPLE. ITS SPIRITUALLY DEAD PEOPLE. THIS IS NO MAGIC TRICK OF RAISING UP HUMANS WHO HAVE PHYSICALLY DIED. THATS CRAZY TALK AND PREPOSTEROUS. THE SPIRIT IS RAISED AND RESSURECTED INTO HEAVEN ( MEANING YOU ARE SPIRITUALLY ALIVE AND RECONNECTED TO GOD )

I just want you to throw more light on this please, I am not getting you because the scripture made it clear that the dead saints that rose appeared to many, so why did you its not "physical"?

Matthew 27:50-53 (KJV)
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

I believed this has been fulfilled, but it was physical no? so how did they appear to many?

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, "and now is", when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Verse 28 and 29 is not yet fulfiled because it talks about the resurrection of the rightous and the unrighteous. which shall be in the second coming of Christ.

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is "coming", in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; "they that have done good", unto the resurrection of life; and "they that have done evil", unto the resurrection of damnation.

obadiah777: I WAN HELP HER UNLOAD HER 'UNNECESSARY BURDEN' MY BROTHER. IT IS A RIGHTEOUS DUTY OF MINE

You err......

ijawkid: Would you be needing it??...lmao........you no go kill me with laff....

No mind him....the world no go end reach him side....

obadiah777: PLAPPVILLE YOU KNOW THE WORLD ENDS TODAY RIGHT ? LET ME GIVE YOU MY ACCOUNT NUMBER SO YOU CAN DEPOSIT ALL YOUR MONEY IN IT SINCE YOU WILL NOT BE NEEDING IT AGAIN

Hahahaha.....why should you need my money when the world is ending? will it not end at your end? Typical 9ja guy, u won brainuse me abi?
The truth be say, no dey concur to doomsday prophecy. They have nothing positive than to contradict the
scripture and to creat fear in minds of ignorants......

OLAADEGBU: Logicboy, Methinks you ought to win NL poster of the year with the way you are stringing along all these religious folks both in the Islam and religion sections.

Is this true? are they same person?

Boomark: beget
1. To father; sire.
2. To cause to exist or occur;
produce: Violence begets more
violence.

@truthislight and troguun

i never said Michael is an ordinary angel.

Hebrew 1v5 has proven that Michael and Christ are different persons. One is an angel "while that other is not".

That other is what to you? please back it with scripture!

You have skiped more than two of my qoutes, i want to believe it wasn't intentional ...

TroGunn: "For to which of the angels did God ever say.." does not show the Christ is not the Archangel, just as Christ saying "Look at the fig tree and all the trees..." at Luke 21:29 does not mean the fig tree is not a tree. Heb 1v5 is all about highlighting Christ's superiority to angels in general.

You have reduced self to a one-scripture wonder in this thread, just so you hold on to previously held belief, though comprehensively proved to be inaccurate and with a lot of holes.

I sense we are flogging a dead horse on this one with you. It's more about your preheld belief than reason. For you being an 'ordinary' messenger of God means demeaning Christ, even though Christ loves nothing more than doing his Father's will.

The arguments and scriptures put forward here (thanks to every contributor) are more than sufficient to make a sincere person to see that Christ plays the role of Michael the Archangel (Chief or Leader of angels).

Respect must be accorded people like Obadiah777, who came in with a pre-conviction, but can freely reason and sees nothing wrong in changing their stance.

OP, what's ur stance? Has ur question been answered?

True talk bro....

Boomark: @ijawkid

One of the Chief princes is not referring to joint princes of God and those of Satan. They are not of the same kingdom. There are other princes who are not cheifs.

@Boomark, i see you grapple with Daniel 10:13;. @ijewkid has correctly addressed it, but you are yet to grasp it.
Well, no problem, let look at more and more verses of the Bible, you wil see how you will grab the understanding of thise verse. Lets look into this.

So, we all agree that Michael is one of the chief princes.

Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of "the" chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia
Note: not one of your chief princes!

However, Michael is also our prince abi!

Daniel 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael [size=14pt]your prince.[/size]

Note: now it says "your prince". Not your princes here.

If Michael is our Prince, so maybe, the other princes are not our princes!

And Michael is the great prince that protects God's people.

You previews post made alot of sense, you said God is not a prince but a King. I hope you are not going to suggest that God as a King has two great Prince
because scripture told us Michael and Jesus are great Prince.

FOR MICHAEL:
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Daniel 12:1 and Isaiah 63:7-9

FOR JESUS:
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

Acts 3:14-15. "But you denied the Holy One and the Just, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you,
"and killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses.

"The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree.
"Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and "Savior", to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. Acts 5:30-31.

truthislight: my friend leave trinity alone.

It does not align with what the scriptures say.

Isaiah 29:13. "...these people draw near to me with their mouths, and honour me with their lips, yet have removed their hearts far from me.
Moreover, their worship toward me is the doctrines of men.

Mark 7:7 But in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

They reverence human traditions and false doctrine, those who love and follow their own tradition rather than the word of God.
Their worship and service is vain according to this verse. It is vain in both senses of the word......

Vain because it is presumptuous:
People who think they should replace the word of God with their own inventions and traditions are suffering from vanity and pride.

Vain because it is empty:
Men are not able to invent a religion of any substance. Religion must come from God, nt from the devisings of humanity (1Co 1:18-31).

God is one, The scripture did not teach God to be three "being". Anyone indulge in this false doctrine is doing a Vain worship as The above Scriptures discribs.