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TroGunn: What was key was his death. His birth was basically transfer of life since he had existed before in heaven.

Only at his death did he provide the redemption from sin. His birth would have not amounted to much had he fallen into temptation from the Devil like Adam did.

Eccl 7:1 - "A good name is better than fine perfume,  and the day of death better than the day of birth".

Todaynatoday: Abegi, Christmas is not a celebration of Christ's birth, it is just another public holiday when you remember:
* christmas tree
* satan claus a.k.a father christmas
* elves and the north pole
* snowman
* to throw fire crackers and disturb my peace
* that chicken & rice is suddenly so important
* to go to beach and have fun (woo hoo, Jesus would be so pleased)
* to go clubbing (praise the lord somebody)
Although I have no qualms with christmas, I just hate it when people try to paint it as something that is so important. Maybe it used to be about the birth of Christ but now, christmas has lost its' essence. Pagans have reclaimed their celebration (maybe the pope should change it to the celebration of Jesus' baptism)

ijawkid: Smh!!!!!...........the angels and shepherds celebrated xmas??......are you dreaming??....oya please tell me date the angels and shepherd celebrated christs birth and if they commemorated it.........did they commemorate it like you are doing??...did they run around with xmas trees in heaven and firing knockouts??.............oh now you see that the customs of christmas are an exact replica of pagan celebration.....
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And as regards Jesus' birth you err......Jesus' birth could not have meant much as his death,because he had existed before descending to the earth.........it is death that Jesus had to taste before we can gain salvation that is why he said it with his mouth that the last supper be commemorated exactly the way he did it.....you see how Jesus set the pace in the way Christians should observe the last supper??.......nothing about xmas is in the scriptures......nothing!!!!!

Zikkyy: Sister plappville, you are still on this matter. I can see alexleo is doing a good job here.

I think you should do away with this idea of "if it's not expressly stated in the bible, then it not right". You sound like a robot when you do that. It gives the impression you are just regurgitating other people views.

When Christ gave his commandment, he did not say this is exactly what you must do and these are the list of activities you must abstain from. We have a freedom to operate within the commandments as long as we don't act in a manner that does not align with them. Society evolves, so does activities. Jesus could not have instructed that we should not watch certain programs on television because there was no t.v at the Time. The scriptures covers event up to some years after the crucifixion, and will not expressly address behaviours or activities not vogue at the time. Man will always look at New ways of doing already established behaviors or activities or even new things to do, but we must be guided by the scriptures to ensure we don't go wrong.

2. You cannot say Christmas has pagan origin and therefore it is wrong, afterall the idea of sacrifice and worship performed by pagans has its root on Cain & Abel, but that does not make it right. Agreed that Christmas is now a global feast and people celebrate it for different reasons. People will rob or kidnap to raise fund for christmas celebration, to them Christmas is all about making merry. The beauty of it all is that God looks at the heart and not your actions.

Take alexleo's advice and focus on the fact that Christmas is not done right. You make more sense if you critic the manner in which some peeps celebrate Xmas. Also considers the possibility that these peeps might not be Christians.

Zikkyy:
"what if I decided to celebrate the birth of Christ by a dedicating a day once a year for it, a day I chose, and I spend the day giving praises. Do you consider my action a sin? If yes kindly state why"

alexleo: Whichever way they choose to celebrate whatever, is their business. For us we are celebrating Jesus and there is nothing unbiblical about celebrating Jesus. I ve given out verses where the birth of Jesus was celebrated. Wether pagans are celebrating anything on that day doesnt make any meaning to us. Pagans and evil men also celebrate or worship one thing or the other on sundays and we couldnt be bothered anyway.

alexleo: My dear sister, i see nothing wrong in remembering and celebrating the birth of Jesus. The angels celebrated it in luke 2:9 - 15 and the shepherd celebrated it in luke 2:20. We can condemn the manner which it is celebrated but not the entire idea. 25th december is just a day brought out to celebrate his birth and we are not saying its exactly the date he was born.

Logicboy03:

I said you were biased because of your comment against me and not because you voted Goshen.



Jesus Christ, logicboy need some logic

alexleo: However the madness that some people display in the name of christmas celebration is what am against.

alexleo: Well, God knows our heart that we are not celebrating any pagan rubbish. The truth is that Jesus was born and if he was born it means he has a birthday. We do not know the exact date but i see december 25th as a day set out to remember and celebrate the birth of Jesus. In the bible the birth of Jesus was celebrated by the angels, the shepherds, the wise men etc so there's nothing wrong in celebrating the birth of Jesus wether on 25th of december or anyday that anybody or church chooses. However the madness that some people display in the name of christmas celebration is what am against.

tintingz: Christmas is a pagan day. . .

Logicboy03: You are putting words in my mouth. Did I say who the best was? You are using your bias to judge an ambiguous statement.



The statement doesnt say anything about who the best is;

Todaynatoday: Okay, by the power so vested in me, I hereby declare this thread suspended indefinitely. Everybody should go for a 7-day fasting & prayer session asking for revelation on the true nature of God. Frankly, this argument is not going to help anybody. This trininity issue has been overflogged several times on this site and I want it to finally come to an end. We must either agree or forever hold our peace. Now, I suggest that we all pray & ask God (don't ask me which God oo, if na trinity God u wan pray to make u pray and if na one God u wan pray, make u pray. My own be say we must agree and end this issue) to reveal Himself to us so that we can get a better understanding of who He truly is. I'm serious ooo, nobody must post anything here again if God has not revealed anything to him or her. Let us begin to pray for a revelation!!!!!!!

truthislight: Jesus is not the alpha and Omega, that is Yahweh.

Now, let me show you what the jews belied about Jesus and who they were expecting.

Also, who Jesus accepted he is publicly:

Finally two came forward 61 and declared, “This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God
and rebuild it in three days.’” 62 Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this
testimony that these men are bringing against
you?” 63 But Jesus remained silent. The high priest said to him, “I charge you under
oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the
Messiah, the Son of God.” 64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man
sitting at the right hand of God and coming in the clouds of heaven.”[a] (matthew 26:60-63)





"Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. " (John 4:22).




Salvation originate with the Jews, stop twisting scriptures and take what they believe else you are on your own.

@logicboy: -There are christians who put bias aside to vote for whom they think is best

Logicboy03: No need for campaign manager.

I truly am enjoying this vote. I want to see how people really feel and behave.


So far;

-If the numbers of christians and atheists were even on this forum, I would be winning by a clear margin not neck and neck

-There is no hope for free and fair elections in Nigeria going by the actions of some christians here. Threats, mudslinging and demonizing the opponent. Yet they would say they pray and want a better Nigeria while being corrupt like the politicans themselves.

-There are christians who put bias aside to vote for whom they think is best





So far let the vote continue


And I vote for myself (Logicboy)

pastormustwacc: Na wa o for all them them big big scriptures and interpretations

OLAADEGBU: Logicboy, Methinks you ought to win NL poster of the year with the way you are stringing along all these religious folks both in the Islam and religion sections.