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Lovethywilbedon: Dear sister, plappville[f] you are very correct. The Church was born on the day of PENTECOST. But on that day she was born, she had no NAME. No child comes into the world bearing a name. Girl! did you come into this world bearing a name?. NO! but after some time you became known as Plappville[f] {and not ellivqqalq[m]}. That is exactly what happened to the ONE AND ONLY TRUE CHURCH FOUNDED BY CHRIST. She was born on the day of pentecost, but after some time she became known as THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH {and not protestant or penticostal church}. Sister, do you
understand it now?. That is why I am still proud to be a Catholic. So you can help me to tell your protestant
brothers to stop protestesting about a TRUE FACT that they cannot change.

davidylan: and? What exactly makes him any more special than the early apostles who DIED for the gospel that your "pastors" now use to eat? Is your pastor any better than Paul who languished 2 yrs in prison and YET still wrote the new testament you now wave around on sundays but rarely open?

BARRISTERS: @plappvile


are you holding a brief on boomark's behalf?, let him answer,im interested in his response! i think he is more reasonable in his contributions, and very easy to work with.

alexleo: These are practices you can never see in my church. Its all these prosperity preachers that originated these things to make the heart of people excited and be able to drop big amount during offering time. Thank you poster for this wonderful job. We need to start firing more of these truth to save those innocent seekers of the undiluted truth of God's who hitherto has been deceived by the sweet tongued pastors and preachers.

obisage: this is the biggest eye opener i have ever come across. i was born a catholic, but when i started asking many questions about there believes and Doctrines, i have no choices but to leave,
I everly know that God does not support the use of Image to whoship in woshipping Him.
but am happy i know the truth now.

chukwudi44: So you do not understand what paintings are all about?people saw him while he was on earth and made artistic impressions of him on painting.not to forget the case of veronica who wiped his face and instantly his face was imprinted on her veil

BARRISTERS: @ubenedictus and
@Boomark(pls ignore the part that concerns ube and trinity i knew you are not one)



firstly, i dont expect you to see the answer expecially when you are determined to reason from the trinitarian angle! and that has led you into this mistake of using a wrong gramatical example (erotema) in describing my own figure of reasoning (anthypophora)below


i will advice that You need to understand what 'rhetorical questions' inludes and all the


different usages,
"can't u do good?" or ''why are you so stupid''? are examples of [erotema];'The technical term for rhetorical questions in general' and the aim is to ''affirm or deny a point
strongly by asking it as a question''. no one is disputing that! im not making a case for [erotema]

we have other kinds of rhetorical questions, in which one asks the opinion of those listening, called [anacoenosis]. and many more......!

rather,

the one im reffering to,as quoted in the wiki, thus ''especially when the speaker both
asks and answers them himself, as if he were playing two parts on the stage'' is known as ; [anthypophora]

Anthypophora is a figure of reasoning in which one asks and then immediately answers one's own questions (or raises and then settles imaginary objections).
Reasoning aloud.

Anthypophora sometimes takes the form of asking the audience or one's adversary what
can be said on a matter, and thus can involve both anacoenosis and apostrophe.

rhetorical uses, the question as a grammatical form has important rhetorical dimensions;
examples are;

# Is the Republican party the best? I think not. Why else were they beaten? Because they are no longer in touch with the people.

# Are they ministers of Christ? I am talking like a madman--I am a better one..." II Cor.
11:22-23.

so also,[size=14pt] verse 4 and 5 of hebrews 1, were to be read altogether [/i]this way
[/size](see the bridge between vs4 and 5 in the first word in vs5 [size=16pt]'for'[/size])the answer is contained in verse 4, fortunately provided by the same writer;

hebrews 1:4-5;

4, Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5, [size=16pt]For[/size] unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

[size=14pt][i]''To which of the angels did He say: "You are my son...."?[/size] is criminally seperated from a context,thereby rendering it impotent.

the point here is that the answer is within the context and the writer presents it in a technical way, hence the argument!

Anthypophora uses the principle of rhetorical questions to ask questions which the speaker wishes to answer. as you see above.

Boomark

im dying with laughter here what is 'barristerish english' ? anyway i have said earlier, you dont need to agree, but we are to test every spirit, and that is what we are doing.thanks

Boomark: v3 ending and v4 happened when he ascended to heaven.

v5 is a question asked after he has been begotten. To which of the angels did He ever say "You are my son...?" will your answer be angel Michael? It is obvious God did not say that to an angel.

Ubenedictus: Hehehe, so palp na woman and e dey ask wether anoda person na woman

OmoPastor: @ plappville

you talk with no understanding of what you say.

do you think God is a fool? if God has not called you to be a Pastor; a leader of His kids, but you decided to call yourself, then you are in hot soup.

As a man called by God, your life has been totally bought over by God and you no longer have authority over what you do, where you go or even what you say. seem a lot of talkers on this forum are so naive at the meaning of being called by God.

so if an MOG decides to acquire a jet without being told by God to do so, that dude has

shot himself in the foot. so before you start castigating and mouth-murdering MOGs, please take some time to think about this.
if God told him to buy it, so be it and there is nothing any mortal like you can do about it


if more jets are coming as instructed by the Master, then His will be done

tomakint: True talk Pastor, dem never see anything!! The truth is, Pastors in this age have been blessed beyond the wildest imagination of any critics, more Private Jets will definitely flow, You never see anything

Goshen360: Okay Bishop Wale Oke. I know I love you and have been blessed by your very own ministry when I schooled at Federal Polytechnic, Offa in Kwara state, Nigeria on one of your radio transmitted in Offa.

With due respect sir, I'll like to comment on this arrogant statement of yours perhaps you may be reading:



This is nothing but an arrogant statements. So it has become you guys (MoGs) who wins the soul and no longer the Holy Spirit? It has become you and your colleague who empowers the poor and yet many Nigerians are still living under $2/day? It is no longer God who work through you as a vessel Your statements are filled with self achievement and doesn't answer to scripture sir. Even the universities built, how many of the members in their economic state can afford the tuition aside the rich. You boast of transforming lives and yet, life itself is not in the abundance of what man owns but quality.

Jesus said, "I have glorified you on the earth: I have finished the work which you gave me to do", John 17:4 and Apostle Paul said same thing in 2 Timothy 4:7. When Jesus and the Apostle made such a bold statement, Jesus had not even died and yet he said, "he had finishED the work". What then is the finished work when he had not died? He had REPRODUCED himself in a generation of men that will work according the same work he had done. Today's MoG are busy expanding their empire, not the kingdom and REPRODUCING collection centers called "church branches" whereby they can accumulate more money to acquire their earthly possessions. How many of Adeboye's Pastor have their private jets How many of Ayo Oritsejafor's branch pastor have the their own jets Or are they not all called to preach the gospel

Again, nobody is envy of your private jet since we now know you are also beginning to covet after your own private jet hence you must come out to defend MoGs with private jets. The real critics is the means by which the private jets are acquired. When MoGs use all sort of gimmicks to milk the sheep in order to acquire wealth is the real issue sir.

OmoPastor: @ Goshen360

you sound to know so much about or should i say you, know better than the MOG and am wondering why you have not taken to doing what this man is doing now and am sure you will do better.

you are just like fans in a football match that shout at the players doing it on the field but yet could not make it into the feeder team of the club. you stay on the sideline and shouts, correct, criticize and even condemn players on the field.

if you know so much and can say so much, please be bold enough to hop onto the field and show us how to play the game.

nobody appointed you as MOGs critic, so stop talking start action.

Akanniade: Me i think all this cravings for private jets is borne out of fear of plane crash. They av seen pastors are not immune to plane crashes and have to take 'palliative' measures.
Men of God are gradually becoming gods if men.

chukwudi44: Typical mindset of the average pentecostal minister. its all about money!! Money!! and nothing else.

The Roman catholic church to date is still more than 10,000 times richer than these 'mushroom' churches yet the ministers would rather devote their monies to charities and living humble lives as oppossed to these charlatans.

They keep mentioning about their churches in disapora,how many members do RCCG,LFC or even Oritsejafor churches have in dispora? I keep hearing about presence in 160 countries but do they have any dignificant presence in these countries?

St Paul the greatest missionary in history did not use private jets to succced neither did st Francis Xavier,st patrick,David Livingstone and other great missionary workers.

These men have converted far more souls in remote locations than these private jet pastors .How many countries have Oyedepo,Adeboye and Oritsejafor introduced christianity to? How many souls have they won outside nigeria with their private jets

italo: Since the Holy Spirit should be your aid, why are you worshipping you pastors, parents, friend and Bible by allowing them take the place of the Holy Spirit?

You bow to some of these people, ask them to pray for you, keep images of them on your phone, kneel to the Bible and pray to it, pay reverence to them etc.

Stop the proliferation of idol worship.

Lovethywilbedon: Honestly I don't know what is wrong with all PROTESTANTS. So you people can't differentiate between a BIBLICAL FACT and a HISTORICAL FACT. That something is not in the bible does not mean that it is not TRUE. Example1) 1+1=2 is it in the bibe? NO!. Is it true? YES!. Why?. Because it is a MATHEMATICAL FACT and not a biblical fact. Example2) World War 2 ended in 1945. TRUE or FAULSE ? TRUE!. Is it in the bible? NO!. Why? It is not a biblical fact, it is a HISTORICAL FACT. Example3) The earth is round. TRUE or FAULSE? TRUE!. Is it in the bible? NO. Why? Because it is a SCIENTIFIC FACT. One more example!! All Penticostal or rather Protestant churches started after M. Luther [ ie more than 1,500 years after The Holy Roman Catholic Church]. TRUE or FAULSE?. TRUE!. Is it in the bible?. NO!. Why? BECAUSE IT IS A HISTORICAL FACT and not a biblical fact. The Anglicans, the Moslems, even the Unbelivers know this and some sincere protestants anyway. As for you, You will get to know this any day you become a SINCERE PROTESTANT or you go and read your history nootbook and learn more H I S T O R I C A L F A C T S.

christemmbassey: because the *business* (gospel) of the Lord is urgent

ademo1: ome pastors have gotten thier reward here on earth. God almighty will judge them. I am not so dogmatic

Goshen360: ^^^ Thank you my brother. We argued the author so well in the past on this thread. I have come to agree and conclude that the author will always be a debate and we can never agree on who the author is. However, the book is deep and the exposition great. If many believers can study this book, they will certainly be delivered from mixing old and new testament together, they will focus on Jesus - The Author and Finisher of our Faith!

obadiah777: YOU DO ERR. SCRIPTURE SAYS NO ONE KNOWS THE PARTICULAR DAY OR HOUR BUT IF YOU MEASURE THE TIMES AND BE CIRCUMSPECT DILIGENTLY AND WATCH THE SIGNS AND PROPHESY, YOU WILL KNOW THE PERIOD. NOT THE EXACT DAY OR TIME BUT YOU WILL KNOW THE TIME-SPAN >>>> LESS THAN 200 WEEKS. NIMROD HAS 4 MORE YEARS TO SUBDUE THE LAST GENTILE EMPIRE ON EARTH. HE IS THE LEOPARD ( REVELATION 13 VS 2 ) SUBDUER. HE DID USHER IN THE GENTILE ERA AND WILL END IT. THE LORD DEALS IN COMPLETION ( 7 )

Boomark: WRONG!

This is where you and true2god are getting it wrong. If you should follow that then it means you must grab trinity with all thy heart and with all thy soul. This is what has blinded so many people: "majority carries the vote." Is it so with the way to the kingdom of God?

No body is talking about SDA, JW or watchtower. Put those things aside and start debunking any passage you feel is wrongly interpreted.

true2god: Lol.

Boomark: This:
HEBREW 1:5.

plappville: (NIV) Hebrews 1:4-9 Having "become" so
much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance
"obtained" a more excellent name than they.
For to which of the angels did He ever say: "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You"? And again: "I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son"?
But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
And of the angels He says: "Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire."
But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; [size=14pt] Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than "Your companions."[/size]

Goshen360: @ Frosbel,

When we/you (frosbel) and the scripture says, Jesus is the "Son of God"....What does it mean

Ubenedictus: u want marry am?