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Whats the meaning of this?

Leviticus 26:1 "'Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God.

Instead of you to accept your worship idols, you are here auguing for argue sake. This will expose your Church the more.

Rich4god: And who told you that we worship image... Plz, dont go about saying what you dont know. Well, base on the verse you quoted, does your church observe the last supper?... And like i said earlier, frosbel refuted the teaching of the last supper(do this in memory of me).

The photos says it all....

See a crowd been led astray by Popes...What image is carried like this? Scriptures says that Jesus ride on a Donkey live. and the crowd followed him with praises. Is this an imitation?
See Pope Benedict kissing the blood of dead John Paul II.: what does this signify?

italo: @ Plappville, pls keep quiet and let me talk to men. Even though they are confused ones.

YOU ARE OVER FED WITH FALSE DOCTRINE

wOrShIp Of iMaGe;

ijawkid: I wouldn't still have celebrated the birth of christ even if it fell on another date because the Jews didn't not celebrate birthdays let alone snatch a pagan date to celebrate the birthday of Jesus.......

And again your comparison fails.....pick out another pagan holiday and juxtapose it with the pagan sun god birthday that was snatched and embellished to celebrate the birthday of Jesus.......

Pick out 1 of your village juju holidays and attach it to christianity and let's see how it goes....

I dey talk about pagan birthday holidays u dey go talk about facebook.....

How are they related??

Is facebook a pagan holiday??

I don laughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh tire here..............

Rich4god: @plapvile... Who told you that we dont keep the commandment of God. And coming to the issue of remembrance of Christ via the last supper, how many of the protestant christian observe the last supper and is it not the same last supper that frosbel said its a pagan teaching, saying that Christ death/sacrifice is once and for all and that celebrating the last supper is wrong in the sence that you are sacrificing Christ a second time.(will paste the thread when i search for it)... And plz, some one whose AKA is "father", those calling him father makes one a sinner.

Do you take what the bible say or what a man says? All the image worship etc, u couldt refute any, ah? i didn't know you are catholic, until you replied by using "we".

Well the verse i quoted, The scripture teaches that...1 Corinthians 11:25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." I don't think anyone will kick against this order.

@italo: italo: St John: "the word was God"

Plappville: "the word was NOT God"

Who should we believe?

italo: You have resorted to lying. Where did I say the word is Yahweh.

Lying is now your only way out.

How did He lied? Are you confused? you rejected that the Word Was Christ, that is "GOD'S WORD" which was made known.
You claim the word was "God Himself", "Yahweh" that came to earth. God came to earth abi? so people at Jesus time saw God when the bible says...No man had seen God.

Confused.............you bros.

Rich4god: I dont know why you all are creating a storm in a cup of water. If you decide not to celebrate xmas, good for you cos its your call to make. But dont make it seem as those celebrating it are pagans/sinners or that they dont know what they are doing. The most important thing there is that in as much as what the celebrants does is to the Glory or God, then there is nothing wrong with it. So plz, make una park well abeg. Try reading 1st corinthians 8:4-8. Peace.

The verse is talking about food sacrifies to Idols. We are talking about a world feast, A feast that was originally ordained for Paganism. Are you mixing up things?

Now tell me, gow does Christmas glorifies God? and why didnt the 1st-2rd centuries Christian celebrated it, if it was truelly glorifying God? There was no way to completely stop the pagans from thier normal feast, hence they introduced it as Christ birthday. The true god of christmas still get his glory not Yahweh. There are numbers of Feast Yahweh reserved for his Children, Today's Christians ignores them, and say they are made for the Jews only.

Rich4god: @plapville... What are the "MAN TRADITION" that you are making reference to, plz name. On the issue of calling no man father, it means that majority of christians are doomed cos right from my childhood, i have been calling my dad father which am sure other christians are doing. During my secondary school day, i used to have a school daddy, and am used to calling him father even till today. I know of people that bear father as their nickname and people do call them father. Whats your take on all these?
Not to mention in the law court where they call jugds "my lord", but we all know that Christ is the only Lord that we have.

According to Jesus, men traditions are wrong when one keeps a tradition of man instead of a commandment of God.
(Like Bowing down to Mary/Pope images,Leviticus 26:1) (Christmas is said to make people remember the birth of Christ, Of which Christ gave us instruction on what to do in remembrance of Him. 1 Corinthians 11:25)

When one teaches as doctrine that which is binding a commandment of man.

As for "CALL NO MAN FATHER" Jesus was not refaring to our biological Father, or else The scripture wouldn't Teach us to "Honor our Father.

Ephesians 6:2 "Honor your father and mother"--which is the first commandment with a promise-- You can see, the "WORD FATHER came forth as it got to do with biological Father.

italo: I don't know. It's possible they did. The Bible doesn't say they did but Apostle John said that so many things that happened weren't recorded. Christmas could have been one of them. Besides even if John didn't say it, shouldn't your tiny Jehovah's Witness brain have told you that?


I don't know. It's possible she did. The Apostle John said that so many things that happened weren't recorded. Mary celebrating Christmas could have been one of them. Besides even if John didn't say it, shouldn't your tiny Jehovah's Witness brain have told you that? However, the Bible tells us she was present and aware when the three wise men were celebrating Christmas.


Billions have done so through the ages. Billions will repeat it in 2months time.


I don't know. It's possible they did. The Bible doesn't say he did but Apostle John said that so many things he did weren't recorded. Christmas could have been one of them. Besides even if John didn't say it, shouldn't your tiny Jehovah's Witness brain have told you that? However, he was present and aware when the three wise men were celebrating it.



In addition, the shepherds and Angels of God celebrated Chistmas.

Luke 2:

8 And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10 But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. 11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. 12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”

13 Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying,

14 “Glory to God in the highest heaven,
    and on earth peace to those on whom his favor rests.”
15 When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, “Let’s go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about.”

16 So they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby, who was lying in the manger. 17 When they had seen him, they spread the word concerning what had been told them about this child, 18 and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them. 19 But Mary treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart. 20 The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, which were just as they had been told.

Go and wrestle with that.

Truelly you have been overfed. You need some agbo liquid to wash ur stomach from those rubbish you were made to believe.

ijawkid: Do u hear your replies??

I DONT KNOW was your answer to each of my question....why??

Ofcus xmas has no bible backing....

How can u assume the apostles celebrated xmas??were they pagans like the catholics??

And who the hell told u the 3 wise men celebrated xmas??you must be smoking something lately.....
And on what date was that??the spurious pagan december 25th??

Billions of xmas celebrants does nt include the 1st century christians...hope u understand??...

The early christians were followers of Christ not some pagan recruits under the guise of christianity who sprang up from the 3rd and 4th century.........

And do u still bring out those 3 gifts the wise men brought to Jesus to celebrate the birth of Jesus??were there xmas trees back then??was that mumu santa clause also present @ the birth of Jesus??

You bro are one hell of a pagan.......

Don't ever raise up the bible to support this false pagan celebration anymore...its an insult to the bible.....

Yet He will claim He didn't twist the bible to confirm Xmas, He is so sure Xmas was celebrated in the bible but He just can't find a single verse that taught it.

Rich4god: Am still waiting for response to the above question.

Dont tell me you give a deaf ear to the wearning from Jesus on "MAN TRADITIONS"? i think you can study the bible and find the answer urself.
When He say call no man Father, today in the Catholic, they have "father" etc...The 25th of dec is not found anywhere in the bible, it was invented by A man etc etc...

Do not find urself fiting in this verse by practicing man traditions.

Matthew 15:9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"

italo: St John: "the word was God"

Plappville: "the word was NOT God"

Who should we believe?

You need to vomit all those rubish you have been overfed with, they are ur problem. No one is above errors, the bible tell us that.

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

If you keep blind eyes to this verse, then know that you are fulfilling this other one....

Mark 7:7 Their worship of me is worthless, because they teach human rules as doctrines.'

Isaiah 29:13 The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men Cross check the Catholic doctrine and tell me if these scriptures are not accurate.

I wonder who @Italo is fooling
Those that do not study thier bible maybe.

And the other one is the wonderful fingers of the pope! greeting the crowd Oops!!

italo: Firstly, I will ask you where you got that definition from? Is it from the dictionary, the Bible or your head?

From your answer, it would mean that wealth or a person cannot be worshipped. Do you see that your understanding of "worship" is inadequate?

If I render devotion to the Bible or to my parents, you would say I am worshipping them?

Stop hiding from the truth, U are not doing yourself any good if truelly you love God.

The Bible declares that at the name of Jesus Christ should every knee bow, Never or NOT at the name of Mary or the Pope. see more picture below for proof.

ijawkid: I just answered your mumu question on the other post....lol....

U said I should define worship...I just did....

And I asked....what are u doing with marys image....

So answer my question...

Who is your God??

Yahweh or Jesus??

MARY IMAGE, JESUS IMAGE should be honoured/worship in remembrance of Jesus. while Christ say otherwise...

1 Corinthians 11:25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me."

Is this not enough? why should images be added? "MAN traditions are prophecies so its not funny seeing them.

Leviticus 26:1 "'Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God.

haibe: Me i dont like the way some people celebrate christmas sha Oº°˚˚°ºh, its not necessary to assign a day to celebrate the birth of christ, infact pple now take it as a day to drink alcohol, fornicate..etc, but there is notin wrong there in celebrating it as a christian should.

Isnt it wrong to twist a verse in the bible to suit it? and forcing it to the congregation?

italo: @ Plappville,

Prove to us you not a LIAR by giving us the name of the Church that teaches Christmas as a doctrine and the pastor's number.

Is that not an easy thing to do?

E.g: the name of the Church is Plappville LIARS Church; and the Pastor is Pastor Mrs Plappville the Idiot; her number is 080********.

SIMPLE!

[size=18pt]church catholic..... [/size]

italo: Madam Plappville, we are waiting for the name of the Church o...and the Pastor's number so that we can confirm by ourselves whether they teach Christmas as a doctrine or not. LIAR!

You and who? have you tried to confirmed yourself? You are carrying loads of falsehood, trying to brainwash others in NL. yet u want to confirm a church?

Matthew 7:5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

You are indeed a temptation !!!!!

italo: You know I have told you to go see a psychiatrist before. Nairaland will not solve your problem o.

So you didn't read the verses I gave where the wise men were overjoyed and brought gifts to the child Jesus and worshipped him. Yet you are saying no scripture to support my claim. Even though you are still yet to show me where the Bible says "Christmas is a pagan holiday". And you are yet to tell me what the wise men are celebrating.

Please go and examine your brain o.

Besides didn't the Holy Spirit say through St. Paul that you should learn in quietness and submission? Is that what you are doing?

If there is anyone that is totally confused to understand what Jesus meant when He speaks of ""MAN TRADITION"" That person is no one else but @Italo.

You have been over fed, i will keep repeating it, Pride is a sin.

And be informed, the bible never teaches that we should accept false doctrine as a way of learning in silent. It told us to test all spirit.
To me, The spirit following the Catholic church is a false spirit. You too should be silent because u re pretending to be a man, ur actions responds shows you are a woman.
No offence !!

italo: Who should we believe? Plappville or the Bible?

You are the one been confused....all the Old testament prophecy verses pointed at Christ as the Son of God, the messiah.

You @Italo, after been over fed with false doctrine and man traditions, you are been too despirate and too proud to accept that you have been lied to all these years.
You were not forced to accept the trinity doctrine, But i can tell you that years back there were Christians who were forced to accept it. This is the only reason why you can still stand to claim its validity by the bible. Wake up bro/sist,......

Matt 16: 13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” (u change it to, who do ppl say God is)

14They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” (Jesus was not yet satisfied with these responds) he proceeded)

15“But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ,b the Son of the living God.” (Why didn't Simon Peter say,"YOU are GOD"?)

17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. (Jesus even blessed Him, and told him it was God His Father that revealed it. Jesus didn't say, I have revealed it to you)

[size=16pt]over fed with false doctrine is why u look confused to understand simple scripture verses like this.[/size]

italo: I'll just let the Bible speak for itself.

italo: John 1:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

The word was made known by Jesus to us, Christ came to reveal GOD to us, He is the word of God, "NOT GOD" even the ancient Israelite that believed they know God so well didn know him. You can see what Jesus told them in my previews reply. Calling Jesus God is one of the man tradition you have been fed with. Follow what the bible says and stop twisting things up.

Goshen360: @ plappville sweerie,

I get your message. Herein is the issue. First since you believe Jesus is divine. I might not have much issue with you unless you also want to enter a debate with me on the deity of Christ. My issue with Frosbel is denying the deity of Christ and the title of this thread says "Jesus, A Real Human Being". This same Jesus was presented to us in many different aspects in the Gospel. John presented him as God who BECAME a human to reveal the Father and give us eternal life. He is NOT the Father but was from the Father and he was called God. Luke presented as the "son of man" tracing his genealogy to Adam. When he "became" human, taking human nature is where and when he is called the Son of God. When God begat, he begat one like himself. That is why we believers are also called the sons of God. We carry God in our new birth and spiritual being even though we walk human on earth.

My broda, Its true that ChrisT is not the Father, uncountable verses in the Bible proved this. That few verse call him God does not make Him the ALMIGHTY GOD. I am not against the fact that Jesus existed before He came to earth because He himself made it clear in multiple verses, I can post only few.

If He was "A REAL HUMAN BEING" Or "HE IS A REAL HUMAN BEING" how can he have existed with God before and during the creation.

John 17:5 He was telling God to glorify him with thesame Glory He "had before" the world began, This is so clear of His existance before coming to earth.

"He said to them, ‘You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.’" John 8:23-24

"Jesus said to them, ‘If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.’" John 8:42

"‘Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps MY WORD, HE WILL NEVER SEE DEATH.’ The Jews said to him, ‘Now we know that you have a demon! Abraham died, as did the prophets, yet you say, "If anyone keeps my word, he will never taste death." Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you make yourself out to be?’ Jesus answered, ‘If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’ But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. HE SAW IT and was glad.’ So the Jews said to him, ‘You are not yet fifty years old, AND HAVE YOU SEEN ABRAHAM?’ Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham came into being, I AM.’ So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple." John 8:51-59

Our Lord Jesus, in this referenceS, states that he is from above, that he came from God, He repeated this several occasions:

"‘For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.’ SO the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, ‘I am the bread that came down from heaven.’ They said, ‘Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, "I have come down from heaven"?’" John 6:38, 41-42

"Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending TO WHERE HE WAS BEFORE?" John 6:62 I agitate for @Frosbel'S topic due to these verses. I WOULD LIKE TO BE ENLIGHTEN ON IT.

So we shouldn'T take John 8:58 to proves that "Jesus is God" because he claimed to have existed before "Abraham". The Bible also told us tht both Solomon (Proverbs 8:22) and Jeremiah (Jeremiah 1:5) existed before their human births. Do we now say that are God also?
Come to think of it, even angels existed before both Adam and Abraham. abi?

italo: Sometimes, when I look at her posts, I wonder whether she is not reading what is being discussed or she is reading but can never understand; or she just doesn't want to understand; or she understands but can't give a good answer so she just chooses to spit RUBBISH all over the place.

I can deal with a liar like Frosbel...or a hypocrite who can never answer a straight question you put to him honestly like Ijawkid.

But I am yet to deal with this...this... *Let me not say the word*

By thier fruit ye shall know them, Say the "word" before it eats you up. I have been insulted by some Muslims here, it doesn't cut my flesh rather
whoever that insults others just to prove a point is only advertising his/her character.

You have not dealt with anyone in NL so far, you have been over fed with false doctrine that is ur problem.

Zikkyy: @bolded......and this makes Christmas pagan? Are you saying anything originated by man is pagan?



I think the above quotes will only be relevant if Christmas was taught as a means to obtaining salvation or as a commandment from God.

Are you not seeing @Italo twisting a scripture to make it looks like a command from God?
Its a doctrine in some churches and when you refused to observe it, they see you as disobeying God, That the reason of this thread was created.

italo: It does look to me that they were celebrating the birth of Christ, exactly what we celebrate. There is nothing there to suggest otherwise.

Besides, didn't John say that many things happened that weren't recorded in the Bible? So you are saying all those things are pagan practices, simply because they are not in the Bible.

Yet no scripture to suport ur claim? It does look to you?

TRUELLY, you have been over fed with traditions!!!

[quote author=uj_sizzle]there is no quotation on d bible that said Christ was born on the 25th of Dec. Theology scholars actually thinks it fell somewhere arnd the middle of the year. History tells us that these feasts are made to replace pagan feasts...the solstice is still celebated in Ireland. Samhain(halloween) and Easter(ever wondered wea bunnys n eggs come from?) still are too.
All these events took place during the era of Constantine the pagan king and under the unction of the Catholic church these changes were made and d king forcefully baptised on his death bed.
But also at this time the true birth date of Jesus was unknown so we simply replaced the pagan feasts.
That said it wld also be important to note that as quoted earlier d 3 wise men celebrated Jesus' birth with gifts, d shepherds,zechariah n d seer rejoiced and so will we.[/quote]You have a good heart towards God, you did not hid the truth!!!

italo: I am still waiting for you to show me where the Bible says "Christmas is a pagan holiday." If you can't show me I will take it that you are talking nonsense.

Meanwhile ponder these verses and tell me what was being celebrated there.

9 After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was. 10 When they saw the star, they were overjoyed. 11 On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

Do you think the bible was scared not to have used the word birthday during this event? we know three birthday stories in the bible, they all turn out sadly at the end.

[b]king pharaoh: Genesis 40:20-22, "And it came to pass the third day, which was Pharaoh's birthday, that he made a feast unto all his servants: and he lifted up the head of the chief butler and of the chief baker among his servants. And he restored the chief butler unto his butlership again; and he gave the cup into Pharaoh's hand: But he hanged the chief baker: as Joseph had interpreted to them."

king herod's birthday: Matthew 14:6-10, "But when Herod's birthday was kept, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod. Whereupon he promised with an oath to give her whatsoever she would ask. And she, being before instructed of her mother, said, Give me here John Baptist's head in a charger. And the king was sorry: nevertheless for the oath's sake, and them which sat with him at meat, he commanded it to be given her. And he sent, and beheaded John in the prison."

Job children: feasted in their houses, every one his day:Job 1:4-5, "And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them. And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually." [/b]

As you can see, the bible mentioned birthday events, but not that of "Christ" as you claimed. Even you cannot prove with ur claims that, after the 3 wise men visit, Christ birthday was celebrated all through by him or his mother or even his apostles. adding to the bible is a sin, be warned.

italo: You still haven't given me the chapter or verse where the Bible says "Christmas is a pagan holiday."

First, there nothing like Christmas in the bible. second, there are alot of chapters that says its a man tradition due to its origin. Its a world loving feast.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Matthew 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the

Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

You want what more?

Daniel 7:13: “I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him.” A discription of Christ is given here.

We find here that the “Son of Man” (Christ) approached the “Ancient of Days” (the Father). Christ was not approaching Himself. What is described here is Jesus Christ being “coronated” and given dominion and power over the nations of earth. A prophecy that is to be fulfilled in no distance of time.

The "word" is forever [Jesus is forever].

@Goshen360: In addition to what @Frosbel has already given, i would like to add some few explaination as to ur question.

We should look at the book of Hebrew for a clearification. What did Hebrew proof about Jesus ?

Heb 1:1 God [the Father], who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

God the Father has not only spoken to mankind himself, but he also uses his Son to speak through. This is why Jesus is sometimes referred to as the Word of God.
The Father is the source of the word, but Jesus is the channel through which it comes.

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, "when he had" by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Jesus is the image of the Father. This is how Jesus could tell others that when they look at Him, they were lookin at the Father.
He was not saying he WAS his Father, but that he was the image of His Father. So, as the image of the Father, he loks like his Father.
But an image is not the same as the real thing.

This indicates: WHEN he had purged our sins, he then sat down at the right hand of the Father King. Note: This means he may not have been in this position before this.
The position of authority came "ONCE" Jesus had made his final sacrifice for sins.

Heb:1:4[b] Became [being made] so much better than the angels,[/b] as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Jesus became something he was not before- better than the angels. He then obtained something he did not have before- a more excellent name. So what name did he have before, if his new name is Jesus? And have u asked why A GOD should be compared to Angels?

Heb: 7:26 For such an high priest became [was fitting for] us, [who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and became higher than the heavens;


If he “became” something, it means it wasn’t this before. He became higher than the heavens, which is a "new status". If Jesus was already God, as trinitarians claimed, then there is no way to improve, or get any better, than that.
So, these verses are indicating that Jesus was “less” of something before he came to earth, and more of something, or something else, when he left earth. Jesus went through a change of status and authority.

The bible says that God never changes. He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. But Jesus has gone through changes. This means that Jesus does not have this quality that the Father God has. This does not mean Jesus is not divine. He is divine, because His Father is divine, just as we are human, as our own fathers are human.

brito: Is it wrong to celebrate xmas ?
You don't like it dosen't mean others should not. What is it about the trinity.

Bros/sist, anybody tell you say make you no celebrate xmas? and why are you bringing trinity issue here?