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Sweetnecta:
@Plappville; In the month of Ramadan, I almost lost my wife to the Boko Haram evil acts. Allah is our Protector.

@Frosbel: On your ogical reasoning, tell me how a mere eating of fruit by first parent who have been forgiven right after it carries a stigma on man, so much so that some innocent man had to lose his life for it and even then nothing changed, because the already forgiven sin on the fruit eaters is still a sin that each innocent child born carries, today, according to your Bible and your rationale?


Please show me logical reasoning in pure practical analysis in this idea.

Why do u people believe u are chating with kids in NL? allah was blind to fight against himself? Ve the boko bomb a Mosque in Nigeria? Last christmas eve was same bombing issue that killed almost 35 persons.
Boko is islam, Islam can't kill Islam.

frosbel:
They are Islamists , PERIOD !!!

You are a very bad Muslim because you do not support them, and thank God you are

He is disobeying Allah!!

Sweetnecta:
If these people are Islamists, they would not have killed innocent people.

You remind me of a man who coined the idea that muslims worship Muhammad [as] and Allah which is untrue by your calling ignorant and evil doers Islamists.

Islamist are the people who obey Allah in the way of the Prophet [as], using Quran and true Hadith.

islamist will not do evil, if he is truly Islamist.

YOU MUST BE ADDRESING KIDS IN NL.

[size=14pt]O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65[/size]

wealth123:
@bashy DEmy or demon or what do you call yourself.
God will bash all you bloodthirsty muslims who see nothing bad in killing innocent souls all in the name of religion.

CAN YOU RIGHTLY SAY ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE?

Dont u know that their book promote killing of unbeliever? As a muslim, they must kill, if these Ones in NL ve not yet killed anyone, then they are not a true Muslims. They ve to carry out their obligations.

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216

THESE FEW QUARANIC VERSES PROVED THAT ISLAM IS PEACE 

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=832290.msg9838194#msg9838194 date=1324914598]Madam when are you going to wake up from your slumber? were you among the paid member to spread rumor to tarnish the image is Islam? Former Pastor Oyewole once said he is among the people given the contract then to make sure Islam died in Nigeria, but instead of Islam to die its Idahosa that died, ALLAH is Great,

About the issue of Boko Haram is not religious at all Oct 1st 2010 independence day bombing in abuja was trace to MEND and till today no culprit has been brought to book are they christiamist terror? When they mention Boko Haram they said Islamist so is MEND Christimist?

  Dec 11 2011 a mosque was bomb in Sapele and was trace to Boko Haram. But as silly as you are you will never think if they are islamic extremist they wont attack there own place of worship but since you have been brainwashed and paid to tarnish the image of Islam keep doing and the repercussion is waiting you.[/quote]Islam cannot die, u must be talking to kids here, has the devil died? NO, Islam will fail for sure.
Satan is powerful, but he is under God. Islam is same to Christianity. So stop decieving urself.
I will keep exposing Islam, more people will not be mislead. No offence SIR.

[size=16pt]Quran 9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed,[b] slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, [/b]and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.[/size]

Now that they are dead, can they come back to accept ur allah??

Sweetnecta:
Plappville is shameless to tell us that her God died by the hands of human killers, his tribe's men.

Even the Hindus are ashamed to say something this awful out.

What can a God who can't save itself bring to others of any salvation? This is very shameful, woman.

If Jesus did not die, and those people who have claimed he died and believed it have lied and rejected Jesus, will you not say?

Many have been saved before Christianity. And it does not make any sense that the man and woman who ate the fruits are not in hell, yet me who was not born at the time of the mistake will go to hell if I do not accept that an innocent man after the crime had to lose his life for the sin already bygone on the two who committed it, and for me who didn't commit it.

Should it not have been easier to just say that we should not eat some kind of fruits instead, in the same way we do not eat pork, in the same way Jacob forbid himself of hindquarter, instead of staining us still with the sin we didn't commit, showing that even to those who believe Jesus died for this sin, the death didn't quiet do the trick, and in my mind it is the very height of injustice.

And The True God is not an Unjust Ruler.

Nigeria needs you now, ae your family safe? Yes of course if they are muslim, and are the non muslims safe? No they ve to die by bomb.
[size=18pt] (surah 9:5) Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.[/size]

Those that are killed YESTARDAY,will they come back to worship allah? no, the intention was not really to drag people to islam, but rather, to drill their blood, the devil always needs blood.

@Sweetnecta, turn to JESES will be saved.

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=832062.msg9837438#msg9837438 date=1324906018]^^^ and what happen to that Prophet mention in your bible? are we still waiting for him?[/quote]The ones in the bible u ve refused them, u ve choosed the one the DEVIL sent to distrol the world with bomb.
Ur Country is crying out to God, shame to ISLAM the devils founded cult.

By Felix Onuah and Camillus Eboh
ABUJA | Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:44pm EST
(Reuters) - Islamist militants set off bombs across Nigeria on Christmas Day - three targeting churches including one that killed at least 27 people - raising fears that they are trying to ignite sectarian civil war.

The Boko Haram Islamist sect, which aims to impose sharia law across the country, claimed responsibility for the three church bombs, the second Christmas in a row the group has caused mass carnage with deadly bombings of churches. Security forces also blamed the sect for two other blasts in the north.

St Theresa's Catholic Church in Madala, a satellite town about 40 km (25 miles) from the centre of the capital Abuja, was packed when the bomb exploded just outside.

"We were in the church with my family when we heard the explosion. I just ran out," Timothy Onyekwere told Reuters. "Now I don't even know where my children or my wife are. I don't know how many were killed but there were many dead."

Hours after the first bomb, blasts were reported at the Mountain of Fire and Miracles Church in the central, ethnically and religiously mixed town of Jos, and at a church in northern Yobe state at the town of Gadaka. Residents said many were wounded in Gadaka, but there were no immediate further details.

A suicide bomber killed four security officials at the State Security Service in one of the other bombs, which struck the northeastern town of Damaturu, police said. Residents heard two loud explosions and gunfire in the town.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/25/us-nigeria-blast-idUSTRE7BO03020111225

@bashy_demy, is Gudluck J, the founder of Boko.Haram?
The problem Nigeria is facing today is Religious.
Islam is killing innocents kids, adults . All u can say is Jonathan blabla. If he is Muslim, will U even place a blame on him?

I am not His fan though, but i believe Jonatan cant force people out of thier belief. U are to decide knowing u re worshiping a blood seeking god "Allah" until it happens to ur family member, u will see it as normal.

Nigeria is recorded as one of the countries with terrorist history because of ISLAM.
That young Nigeria Boy called "Farouk" caught in an attempt of bombing a Plan. Is a Muslim, a trainned bomb star.

Come out of this satanic establishment oh ye people, the unbelieves in Nigeria are harmless to Chistianity or to our Nation.
Once anyone disbelieve Jesus and believe Muhammed, he automatically is against Christisnity.

If it is Gods wish, let the country be divided in peace. We are fed up viewing innocent dead bodies.
Because that's what Islam is meant for.

I ve said it, Nigerian is facing division for Good. Islam has been manipulating our country.
Fear has now blocked the chance of a peaceful demostration. This shows the superiority of The Northaners.

We are all equal in the sight of God. Islam is the origin of superiority by force.
Nigeria owns no Peace as long as Islam is concern. The whole bombing issues we see here is the only way to obey Muhammed's law. Any muslim who does not kill, is not a true Muslim. U must kill innocents to please almighty "ALLAH"

Plz people, do not put more pictures, it hurts the more. Gods wrath on the murderers according to his commandment.
"Thy shall not kill".

People of the living GOD, Islam can deceive you.  It can fool the very elect. It rejects the salvation Jesus has made possible and sure. Islam spreads the lie that Jesus never even died on a cross no resurrected. that alone makes it demonic. Rejecting Christ death is rejecting Christ completely. Again, Jesus never said a true prophet would appear in the last days. Rather, He said false prophets would arise who would deceive, if possible, the very elect.

One Must be a Christian to be Saved! See that in John 14:6; Acts 4:12, and 26:28; 1 Peter 4:16. one cannot be a christian without verbally confessin' the deity of Jesus Christ. One cant even pray to God, let alone ve sins remitted by Him, witout approaching him through Jesus (John 14:6 and 13, 15:16; 16:23-24; Romans 5:2, and Ephesians 2:18). Even if Moslims, Mormons, Christian Scientists and Seventh Day Adventists will not want to hear this, the Bible had already declares that Jesus was the FINAL revelation of God to man. There ve been no others. (the Kuran unveiled).

@sweetnecta, how many can we mention? Christians see the kuran as a book that totally lack divinity.
How will the Kuran deny's Jesus crucifition and resurrection. It says that Mary the mother of Jesus is In body as Trinity?
Where is this claim from? Because there's nothing like that in the Bible and we christian do not identify Mary as a body of the Trinity.

@lagoShia what "Dave Wood" has done is what is to be done. He used the kuran, Bible and other history source.
This gave a clear view of Islam and its aim. Islamic scholars do their rebutals rarely with the same kuran, this is baseless.
They ve nothing new so they must crack their head to find new ideals to back Islam falsehood.
They ve nothing to refute, the rise of Islam is not Godly.
This article has revealed the most hiden facts about Islam. People shouldread and understand What Islam really is.

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Re: Pictures Of Christmas Day Bomb Blast In Catholic Church
« #147 on: Today at 03:25:55 PM »
Boko boys i hope you see this,pls i'm begging you, when next you want to attack please use bomb launchers for churches in aso rock. Don't bomb any mosque ooo concentrate on the churches

Whats ur point? Oh ye generation of terror! He who kill by sword will die by sword.

@andyanders, good point. Nigerians are living in pretends. It is clear that, this killing of innocent bloods will continue if something is not done to put a stop to it. If it warrant the country spliting that will bring Peace, so be it. It is better to live in peace and love in miniority than to live in hates and war in majority.

My heart crys for the vitims, but i pray thir soul meets our Lord Jesus Christ, amen.

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Re: Pictures Of Christmas Day Bomb Blast In Catholic Church
« #22 on: Today at 11:31:37 AM »
OMG this is ridiculous,  why on earth is all this happening

@frosbel dont start again ooo cos i believe this act was plan by one of the church member that have looted the church treasury

What a hate u ve just advertised? Even in a situation so open, u re here accusing a member of the church?
Beg God to forgive u, ur heart sounds wicked .

[size=16pt]Islamic new promised messiah, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed [/size]

Judek2:
typical Muslim insane arguments.
This is just how it always looks like.
Sometimes I wonder why Some Muslims undergo western education and still dumb in their reasoning.

@bashy-demy has a high level of understanding oo, he argues for argument sake

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=819101.msg9819792#msg9819792 date=1324589770]You be baboon no Kingdom of God for you ooo make you just know that now[/quote]

Jesus himself warned true believers in Matthew 7:15-23 of false prophets who come in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravening wolves. He said further "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:21-23) If our Savior warned us of false teachers and said they are actually workers of iniquity, should we not heed His words and separate ourselves in doctrine and practice from such? Thus is it biblical for a true child of God to ignore doctrinal differences which are contrary to God's word? Jesus told us that everyone who professes to call Him Lord, are not true believers.

God commands His children to be Holy as He is Holy. (1 Peter 1:15) If a true believer then joins with those who are teaching and practicing false doctrine is he not then become a party to their error and is not honoring God's word? Is believing and ignoring false teaching not sin?

[center]Hold on to GOD's Unchanging Hand[/center]

Hold on to GOD’s Unchanging Hand
Prayer

Main:

Job 14:13-15
Oh that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me! [14] If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. [15] Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.

1 Peter 5:6-7

Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: [7] Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

Focus:

Job 14:15
Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.

1 Peter 5:6
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

I want to use as a title for this text today “Hold on to GOD unchanging hand”

Today, I wanted to talk to and to the saints of GOD, the babes in Christ, and those who want to come into the fold. Today, I want you to understand that there is 66 books in our canonize version of the bible. In the first 39 books of the bible, it tells stories and set examples of how we should live and develop a relationship with GOD. In the last 29 books, the essences of the first 39 books are clarified to erase any misunderstanding that we have. That is why Jesus said in

Matthew 5:17-18
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

This is important because it will give you the insight of what GOD trying to tell you and strength you against the devil ability to manipulate us. Matthew 4 clarify this when the devil took Jesus to the top of temple and told Jesus to jump because what is written in the book of psalms, but Jesus strength in the word and relationship with GOD allow him to resist the devil with the book of Deuteronomy.

Now, this bring me to today’s example, Job. Though many have read the story of Job and how GOD bless his life; and the many Christians that have read or hear the story are fascinated by the events that took place. Many wish that they could live like Job, but many believe that Job is factitious character created to show us as Christians how we should live and trust in GOD in a time of peace and suffering. The will weaken the solidity of GOD’s words in this story, and create a utopia in our minds that we as Christians believe is impossible to achieve since our faith is weak in GOD. Job was real, how:

Biblical Proof: Genesis 46:13
And the sons of Issachar (This being the son of Isaac who one of the twelve tribes of Israel was name after); Tola, and Phuvah, and Job, and Shimron.

This proves that Job was not a created character, but a very real person indeed. Job had true loving relationship with GOD. He show up for church every Sunday, attended bible class, and Sunday school, cheerfully paid he tithes and offering, talk about GOD on the job and at home, prayed day and night, and constantly pleaded the mercy sit of GOD everyday forgiveness for anything that might have happen. Job had this true relationship, for GOD said it was true about Job. All of us GOD-fearing children of know the word of GOD is true.

Biblical Proof: Job 1:8
And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Job was able to live in peace with GOD and man due to his relationship with GOD, yet here is the devil looking for an opening to destroy Job. Let me tell you church folk something; some of us have heard this old saying, “The greatest trick the devil ever pull is that he made man believe that he didn’t exist”. Yes, many ministries today teach you, just as long you have a relationship with GOD, you cannot do any wrong, and the devil can touch you. Creating a positive frame of mind for you to live by, this is true, but many of them fail to tell you that GOD is quick to prove who his children are truly. This type of ministry teaches that if something happen to you, it was because you have sin against GOD or GOD is getting you for past sins; but this is not true. The book of Job proves that GOD will allow the testing of your faith. If you look at the story of Job, you will notice that GOD said that Job is in right standing with him, but allow the devil to test his faith because the devil honestly believe that Job serve GOD because of what he bless to have.

Job 1:9-11
Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? [10] Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. [11] But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

This were this prosperity teaching will get you in trouble. Job was not bless with things because, the word bless is a Greek word that means, “Speak well of”. Proving that Job found favor with GOD, and if you want favor with GOD, you need to do like Job and ask for mercy. If you plead the blood of Jesus at the mercy sit of GOD, he will grant access to all that you desire.

Biblical Proof: (Jesus said) John 16:23
And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

(Proving) 1 John 5:13-15
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. [14] And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: [15] And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

(This clarifying in the old testament) Psalm 37:3-5
Trust in the Lord, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed. [4] Delight thyself also in the Lord; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart. [5] Commit thy way unto the Lord; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.

(This is verse is sum up and clarified) Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Is it good to have favor with GOD?

Now was in right-stand and had favor with GOD, but understand that devil is always trying to attack the children of GOD. The devil knew that he could not get a true child of GOD without permission. Now, satan is not the only devil asking permission from GOD to bring harm in your life, but you better be careful of some these church folk who is sitting around you. Some of these people are coming to church everyday to obtain permission from GOD to bring misery in your life. So you need to make sure that you right with GOD, so in a time of need you can obtain GOD Favor. Let me tell you something else GOD loves a challenge to prove who he is and what he means to his children. When the devil came to GOD asking for a challenge, GOD did not pull out a list of his children listed from greatest to less, he just said try my servant, Job. That right, Uncle June, GOD did not look at a list to find your name, when he wanted to bring some mess in your life, he just said have you try my servant June. Pastor GOD just ask have you tried my servant Nichols. Church how many of us can say, “The reason I am going through what I am going through not because I have sin against GOD, but because GOD has ask the devil have you tried my servant?”

Now, this brings me to the text. If you look at the story of Job, he was at work one day and working hard then a he got a message. Understand, Job was having a good day at work, no problems then he received the bad news. In Job 1:13-19 some of his kids was having a party at there Uncle house then some men came by and kill all that was present except for one; all of property was burning up; and to top it all off when Job got sick and boils began to show up on his skin. Let me bring this situation up-to-date. You are sitting at work; production is going real good; and there are rumors that many will be able to go home early then you get a message to come home. You get the message some of your children have been shot dead while they were partying at your brother house, then you get in your car you get a call on your cell phone that a wild fire came by and burn up all of your property; and to top it all off when you got home to meet your spouse you begin coughing and your spouse notice boils begin to break out on your skin. Your spouse is now thinking in the back of their heads you ain’t being faithful to them and then you hear the news from the doctor you have a rare form of a common disease. The only thing you can say is, “What is going on”.

Though Job is going through all of this he still realizes that he is blessed. Yes, Job was blessed by GOD, why, because GOD allows the devil to take away everything except his life. That right the devil cannot kill you, no matter what you are going through, because the power of life and death is in GOD’s hands. Job realizes that came at peace with GOD.

Isaiah 26:3
Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.

One singer and songwriter stated, “Time is filled with swift transition, Naught of earth unmoved can stand, build your hopes on things eternal, hold to GOD’s unchanging hand.

If you hold on to GOD’s unchanged hand he will keep you in prefect peace, no matter what you are going through.

Now, while you are going through remember some things:

1. humble yourself.
If you humble yourself GOD will answer any of your prayers, deliver you from what you are going through, and heal you.

2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

(That is why)
1 Peter 5:6
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

You cannot accuse GOD of anything because we all have to come and falling short of the Glory of GOD yet he love you he send his son Jesus Christ to save us and give us a chance to see His Glory

John 3:16-18
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2. Talk to GOD and let him what is bothering you.

1 Peter 5:7
Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

Job expresses his concerns to GOD while he was going through his ordeal. Job did have the question what is going because Job lived by the word and this is not what the word said. So why you are talking to GOD seek to learn from him so that you may be giving the strength to make it through your situation.

Philippians 4:12-13
I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. [13] I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

In this type of situation you can talk to your friends and family because they have turned their back on you. You also talk to everybody about what you are going through they may be the ones trying to insure that you stay down. (Explain Job’s Friends and family)

Take it to the cross!!!!!!

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uplawal:
@Plappville,He is not deceiving anybody,but enlighting them ,and may Allah make it easy for them,Allah owns his creatures mind and not whatever you write or think.

U don't enlighten others to distruction, do u?

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=831796.msg9828135#msg9828135 date=1324735959]I dont think a muslim has to wish someone merry christmas if they arent comfortable doing so.

Its not a big deal.[/quote]Although, i am not xmas fan, but i must say that, the majority of Muslim here in the WEST are hypocrites, Filled with pretends. I can boldly tell u that, Muslims parents bring their kids to a social Christmas party to collect toys and other material gifts. When u asked them why do partake in a Christian feast, they will say, (C'est pas grave) It does not mean anything. The gift is what matters. Its only @lagosShia that seem to be a serious Muslim

I used to ve muslims colleagues, they do send xmas wishes.

@Topic, it is the hate that made him rates merry christmas wishes as worst than fornication.

Just my opinion!.

LagosShia:
in this thread,there are two moral lessons to learn:there are practices in the bible that christians have forgotten and muslims still perform and there are practices which both sides perform which demonstrate a similarity.
removal of shoes when worshipping to keep our places of worship clean and holy shows a connection and a similarity to what Moses did and this is presently compulsory for all muslims to do.is that a good commendable act or is something bad?
again this shows an islamic practice.before we worship we wash.presently islam makes it compulsory we wash our face and hands and feet.washing of the nostrils and ears is not compulsory but commended even in islam.

the importance here is:washing.whether you wash your nose or not,bible evidence shows washing before praying which christians do not perform.
please try and be sure.dont come here to waste people's time.
take note of the phrase:"fell facedown".that is called "sujood".the jews even perform that.but again christians do not.you laugh and tell us we are hitting our head on the ground.
other religions do not honor Jesus and Moses.do they?we muslims do.and Muhammad (sa) came to revive the tradition of the prophets and corrected the misguided christians who invented doctrines like trinity and the misguided jews who totally deny Jesus as someone sent by God.
your father is confused.you are the evidence of that!

initially facing Jerusalem,set a lessons for the muslims to accept that we believe in the previous prophets.then facing Makkah sets a lesson for others to recongnize the House of God in Makkah which was built by the father of the abrahamic faiths as the temple in Jerusalem.showing from the bible that prophets turned towards the temple of jerusalem is aimed at establishing the truth to the ignorant and stu.pid christians who think that when we muslims face the Qiblah we are worshipping the Ka'bah in Makkah.just as the prophets faced a direction for their prayer to be answered because God has blesssed that place as His "dwelling place" figuratively we too do the same.
i can show you in another thread where a christian said that she chose to be christian because in christianity unlike islam,she isn't required to take her bath before going to church especially after having se.x.she said she even have se.x with her husband and then goes to church.

so whatever bla bla bla you are trying to gain sympathy with,it is a fact that christians dont see it as a religious or spiritual obligation to take their bath after intercourse and especially if they are about to worship.you can see the post here where your sister was happy that she goes to church with Fluid dripping from her:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-817461.0.html#msg9691185

and regarding eating of meat,here are your two contradictory statements depicting your confused christian soul:
i wonder why you would not eat what is sacrificed to idol since you say what makes one unclean is what comes from inside and not what goes in?
are you sure?

you can see this:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-781317.0.html
but you see Paul made it clear in the new testament that a woman who does not cover her head should have it shaved off.how many women cover their heads iin christianity?they even go to the salons to do hairstyles because of sunday service.

good for you.i didnt ask to know.and many christians are not because Paul contradicted Jesus (who was himself circumcised) on circumcission:

1 Corinthians 7:17-20
17 Nevertheless, each person should live as a believer in whatever situation the Lord has assigned to them, just as God has called them. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. 18 Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts. 20 Each person should remain in the situation they were in when God called them.

Keep decieving the audience , There can't be any similarity between ChristianS and moslims in anyway. U must know that all christians varying beliefs about Islam, is same conclusion. Some Christians believe that Mohammed was a liar, some believe he was a lunatic, some believe he was the false prophet, and yet others claim he was deceived by the Devil. In all this, the conclusion arrives at pointing at Satan. He is the one that established Islam. Satan has used his wisdom to establish Islam in a very brilliant way, by focussing to God and rejecting Christ identity. Where is the similarity? God is not confused MR LagosShia.

tomzman:
Abi o.I have told him his problem and even tried to help him analyse himself in my last reply to him on page 7.All Plappville has posted here is also sufficient to convince even the best Islamist scholar that he is only deceiving himself.Well, you can keep on enlightening him and others like him on the thread but I don't think I have time to waste on a person who thinks he is wise in his own eyes and lacks a penchant for knowledge.I pray Jesus himself would touch his soul and others like him one day.


Lest I forget, Merry Christmas and a Happy New in advance Year to you, Plappville and other Christians on the thread.God bless you all. Chao 

Thanks, I wish u a happy new year in advance also, God bless you.

1.) Taking off your shoes before entering the place of worship:
Exodus 3:5
"Do not come any closer," God said. "Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground."
Acts 7:33
"Then the Lord said to him, 'Take off your sandals; the place where you are standing is holy ground.

Ok Mr apologetic, the place Moses was standing on here is not even a place of worship and never became a place of worship.BTW some other religions too don't wear shoes to their place of worship

Thank u for that, certain religions require removing shoes before entering a place of worship or a temple.
Muslims remove, Hindus remove shoes before entering a temple, and Sikhs remove shoes before entering a gurudwara. This has automatically made them find thier practice in the bible,

How many can one point out, any other religion outside Christianity can certainly be found in the bible, this made them false according to the prophecies,

LagosShia:
ok

the number islamic book is the Quran.then you can count in the millions anything besides.

Clap for urself mr!

Deceptive God, Incompetent Messiah

What Islam Really Teaches About Allah and Jesus

By David Wood

For nearly two thousand years, Christians have proclaimed Jesus’ death and resurrection. Islam rejects both of these doctrines and offers a different account of what happened at the cross and afterwards. However, the Muslim explanation comes at a tremendous price: Their version of the story portrays God as a horrible deceiver, and Jesus as the most stupendous failure in the history of the prophets. Hence, while Muslims claim that “Allah is Truth”[1] and that Jesus is to be revered as one of Allah’s mightiest prophets, these claims are hollow, for Islamic dogma comes with a great deal of heresy.


Allah Starts Christianity . . . By Accident

If we examine the teachings of Islam, we find that Allah not only started Christianity, but also made Christianity the world’s dominant religion. This fact should seem strange to everyone, for Muslims believe that Christianity is a false religion. Of course, Muslims will respond by arguing that Christianity is a false religion because it was corrupted by man, but that in its original state it was the message of Allah given to Jesus the son of Mary.

While there isn’t a shred of evidence that the followers of Jesus ever believed anything similar to Islam, this is beside the point. According to Islam, Christianity was corrupted by Allah himself. To understand why Islam demands such a view, let us review a few facts.

FACT #1: The Qur’an states that Jesus was a messenger of Allah and a prophet of Islam. Indeed, Surah 19 tells us that Jesus began preaching Islamic theology the moment he was born:

And the throes (of childbirth) compelled [Mary] to betake herself to the trunk of a palm tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died before this, and had been a thing quite forgotten! Then (the child [i.e. the infant Jesus]) called out to her from beneath her: Grieve not, surely your Lord has made a stream to flow beneath you; And shake towards you the trunk of the palmtree, it will drop on you fresh ripe dates: So eat and drink and refresh the eye. . . . Surely I am a servant of Allah; He has given me the Book and made me a prophet; And He has made me blessed wherever I may be, and He has enjoined on me prayer and poor-rate so long as I live; And dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me insolent, unblessed; And peace on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die, and on the day I am raised to life.[2]

Jesus continued to preach the message of God throughout his life, until he was taken to heaven. According to the Qur’an, the Gospel that Jesus brought was no different from the message of the prophets before him. Jesus, a servant and prophet of God, preached Islam:

The same religion has He Established for you as that Which He enjoined on Noah—That which We have sent By inspiration to thee—And that which We enjoined On Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain Steadfast in Religion, and make No divisions therein.[3]

[Jesus] was no more than A servant: We granted Our favour to him, And We made him An example to the Children of Israel. . . . When Jesus came With Clear Signs, he said: “Now have I come To you with Wisdom, And in order to make Clear to you some Of the (points) on which Ye dispute: therefore fear Allah And obey me. For Allah, He is my Lord And your Lord: so worship Ye Him: this is A Straight Way.”[4]

Thus, Jesus spent approximately 33 years, from his birth to his ascension, preaching Islam to the children of Israel. Prior to his apparent crucifixion, his preaching was moderately successful, as the conversion of some of his listeners indicates.

FACT #2: The Qur’an states that Jesus won a number of followers. Since Jesus spent his entire life preaching an early form of Islam, his message to his disciples must have centered around the basic tenets of Islamic theology. These disciples would have become something similar to Muslims, which is exactly what Islam teaches about Jesus’ followers:

When Jesus found Unbelief on their [i.e. the Jews’] Part He said: “Who will be My helpers to (the work Of) Allah?” Said the Disciples: “We are Allah’s helpers: We believe in Allah, And do thou bear witness That we are Muslims.”[5]

And behold! I inspired The Disciples [of Jesus] to have faith In Me and Mine Messenger; They said, “We have faith, And do thou bear witness That we bow to Allah As Muslims.”[6]

Then, in their wake, We followed them up With (others of) Our messengers: We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, And bestowed on him The Gospel; and We ordained In the hearts of those Who followed him Compassion and Mercy.[7]

If the Qur’an is correct, then Jesus converted at least some of the children of Israel to Islam. Though there is absolutely no historical evidence for any such conversions, let us assume for the sake of argument that there were first century Jews who believed the message of Jesus and became Muslims. As we shall see, this assumption only presents problems for Muslim apologists.

[b]FACT #3: If there were first-century Jews who converted to Islam at the preaching of Jesus, they didn’t last very long. The idea that Jesus’ earliest followers were Muslims raises an obvious question: Why have we never heard of any Muslims existing in the first century? We have a great deal of historical information about Jesus’ first-century followers, but we have no evidence at all of any Muslims. Defenders of Islam will most likely claim here that Christianity wiped out all the records of Jesus’ non-Christian followers, but such a view is absurd. We have both Christian and non-Christian sources that report early Christian beliefs, yet none of these sources mention the existence of any Muslim-Christians. At the very least, we can say with absolute certainty that Jesus’ death was well-known among ancient authorities, and that Jesus’ earliest followers—including Peter, James, and John—came to believe that Jesus had died on the cross for their sins and that he had risen from the dead. (We also know that the disciples held Jesus to be the divine Son of God, but this isn’t necessary for my argument.) All four New Testament Gospels confirm the early Christian belief in Jesus’ death and resurrection, as does the book of Acts. Paul’s letters also repeatedly proclaim Jesus’ death and resurrection. Further, an ancient creed recorded in 1 Corinthians 15 has been dated to within a few years of Jesus’ life and therefore provides extremely early testimony about Christian beliefs during the time of the apostles. It reads:[/b]

For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He appeared to Cephas [Peter], then to the twelve.[8]

We also have early Christian writings from outside the New Testament that report the beliefs of Jesus’ followers. For instance, Clement of Rome, who was ordained as Bishop of Rome by the Apostle Peter, writes about the apostles’ belief in Jesus’ resurrection from the dead.[9] Polycarp, who was ordained by the Apostle John, mentions Jesus’ resurrection numerous times.[10] There are even several ancient non-Christian sources that report crucial information about Jesus and the apostles. According to both the Jewish historian Josephus and the Roman historian Tacitus, Jesus was crucified during the reign of Pontius Pilate.[11] Lucian of Samosata, a Greek satirist, states, “The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day—the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account.”[12] Even the Jewish Talmud reports the crucifixion of Jesus.[13]

Hence, the most reasonable interpretation of the data is that the Qur’an is wrong when it says (1) that Jesus never died and (2) that Jesus’ early followers were Muslims. Nevertheless, let us be generous and grant, in spite of the facts, that there were a number of first-century Muslims, but that all evidence of their existence was later destroyed by Christians. Even if we grant such an outlandish assumption, this still presents Muslims with an enormous problem: What happened to these first-century Muslims? Why was Islam replaced by belief in Jesus’ sacrificial death and resurrection from the dead? Why didn’t Jesus’ 33 years of preaching amount to anything that lasted?

Muslims will most likely respond to these questions by arguing, once again, that Christianity corrupted Jesus’ message and that the Christian church erased all memory of Jesus’ Islamic teachings. However, no true Muslim should accept this position, for it conceals the true Qur’anic account of what happened.

FACT #4: The Qur’an states that Allah deceived people into believing that Jesus had died on the cross. According to the Qur’an, Jesus was able to convert at least some Jews to Islam. But we know from history that Jesus’ early followers became convinced of his death and resurrection. Hence, the obvious reason that there were no Muslims after Jesus ascended into heaven is that all of Jesus’ followers came to believe that he died on the cross and rose from the dead. And where did they get this idea? According to Islam, the idea that Jesus died on the cross was started by Allah:

That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah”—But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, But so it was made To appear to them, And those who differ Therein are full of doubts, With no (certain) knowledge, But only conjecture to follow, For of a surety They killed him not—Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise.[14]

Even if we allow that Allah’s only goal was to deceive the people who wanted to kill Jesus, it is clear that the disciples also fell for Allah’s deception. So who is responsible for the Christian belief that Jesus died on the cross? If Islam is correct, God started this idea when he decided to trick Jesus’ enemies into thinking that they had killed Jesus. This leads to even more problems. If the deception of the disciples was unintentional, then we must conclude that God didn’t realize that he was about to start the largest false religion in the world. If it was intentional, then God is in the business of starting false religions. Therefore, the God of Islam is either dreadfully ignorant or maliciously deceptive.

Muhammad’s position also means that Jesus was the greatest failure in the history of the prophets. He spent 33 years preaching (again, he began preaching Islamic theology at birth), yet shortly after his death, the children of Israel were divided into two broad camps. Those who believed his message became Christians, all of whom were guilty of the worst sin imaginable (shirk[15]), while those who rejected his message were guilty of rejecting one of God’s greatest messengers. Thus, whether people believed in Jesus or rejected him, everyone would ultimately be condemned and cast into the hellfire. It’s strange, then, that Muslims consider Jesus to be one of the greatest prophets ever. It seems that he should have been able to win at least one lasting convert to Islam. But he didn’t. Further, a true prophet of Islam should have warned his followers not to turn away from Islam by falling for God’s deception. But Jesus never got that message across. Indeed, millions of people from around the world now refuse to accept Islam because they believe that Jesus died on the cross for their sins, a teaching that goes back to a deceptive God and an incompetent Messiah.


Allah Spreads the False Religion He Accidentally Started

If we follow the teachings of Islam through to their logical conclusion, we see that God either intentionally or unintentionally started Christianity. But the Qur’an doesn’t stop there. Instead of correcting the mess he made, Allah took Christianity to the next level.

FACT #5: The Qur’an states that Allah helped spread Christianity. Once God had caused belief in Jesus death and resurrection, he then worked diligently to aid the Christians in spreading their false message:

O you who believe! be helpers (in the cause) of Allah, as [Jesus] son of Marium said to (his) disciples: Who are my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the cause) of Allah. So a party of the children of Israel believed and another party disbelieved; then We aided those who believed against their enemy, and they became uppermost.[16]

This verse is extremely important, for it means that Allah helped the followers of Jesus against the Jews who rejected Jesus, and that these followers “became uppermost.” So who were these followers of Jesus who became stronger than the Jews? The only people in history who fit such a description are orthodox Christians, who believe in Jesus’ death, resurrection, and divinity. In other words, Muslims can’t claim here that Jesus’ message was corrupted and that the true Gospel was wiped out, because that clearly isn’t the group that the Qur’an refers to in this passage. Even if there was a group of first century Muslim-Christians, this group never gained an upper hand over anyone. Indeed, they must have been snuffed out immediately. The only group of Jesus’ followers that ever became strong enough to overshadow the Jews was composed of Christians, once Christianity had spread throughout the Roman Empire. These Christians believed in the foundational doctrines that Christians hold even today. Yet, according to the Qur’an, Allah helped these people rise to power!

How, then, did Christianity spread and become the dominant world religion? It spread by the power of Allah! And who started the Christian message about Jesus’ death on the cross? God invented this message! Even non-Christian historians are convinced that Jesus’ death is one of history’s best-established facts.[17] Where did historians get this idea? They got it from God, who tricked so many people into believing in Jesus’ death that we now have tons of historical evidence for this event. Since there are roughly two billion Christians on earth at the present moment, it seems that Jesus and God are responsible for starting the only religion in the world that overshadows Islam.


If Islam Is True . . .

Needless to say, I think the Islamic view is extremely problematic. It requires us to believe that God deceived billions of people. God even led Jesus’ followers astray by tricking so many people into believing that Jesus died. This could have been avoided if God hadn’t been so intent on deceiving people. But this leads to more questions: Why would God want people to believe that Jesus was dead when he really wasn’t? Muslims can’t argue that God did it to protect Jesus from the Jews or Romans, since God was taking Jesus away safely anyway. So, why would God want to give Jesus’ enemies the satisfaction of seeing Jesus killed? Why not raise Jesus up without deceiving everyone about it? There seems to be no reason at all for God to deceive these people, especially since such a deception would soon lead to the formation of Christianity.

This is a difficult pill to swallow, yet Islam forces us to view the origin of Christianity in this way. If Islam is true, God deceives people who believe the prophets he sends. If Islam is true, God spreads false teachings until they become dominant in the world. If Islam is true, Jesus, the Messiah, was completely incompetent and should never have been sent by God, since Jesus’ life ended up leading more people astray than any other life in history. Because the Muslim view is at odds with any traditional understanding of God’s nature (including the Islamic understanding), Islam is an incoherent religious system, which should be rejected by all rational people. Islam has a poor and contemptible explanation for the origin of Christianity. If Islam is true, the existence of Christianity makes no sense at all.


If Christianity Is True . . .

Christianity, on the other hand, easily accounts for the rise of Islam. Indeed, if Christianity is true, the rise of Islam makes perfect sense. If it isn’t immediately clear why Christianity entails the rise of religions such as Islam, consider the following line of thought.

If Christianity is true, then the following statements are also true:

(1) People can only come to God through Jesus Christ.
(2) Satan is a real spirit being who wants to keep people from God.[18]

With these statements in mind, let’s see if we can figure out a little something about Satan. Now, if Satan wants to keep people from God, and if the way to God is through Jesus Christ, what would Satan’s highest priority be? His main goal wouldn’t be to get people to lead immoral lives (though he would prefer that we do, since this corrupts God’s created order); instead, his primary aim would be to incite people to reject Christ, for this rejection is what keeps them separated from God.

But how would Satan convince people to reject Christ? We should note here that there are plenty of people in the world who simply don’t care about God. Satan doesn’t have to worry about them, because they aren’t interested in salvation anyway. Since his goal is to keep as many people from God as possible, we would expect Satan to be more focused on people who are to some extent concerned with religious matters. There are two ways to keep such people from God. Satan would either have to convince them that all “religious talk” is nonsense (i.e. by spreading secularism, which we see around the world) or he would have to offer them a substitute for the truth (i.e. a religion that rejects what is necessary for salvation).

Thus, if Christianity is true, we would expect Satan to inspire religions that reject Christ’s sacrificial death and resurrection, even though these religions may be similar to Christianity in other (non-essential) respects. Now that we have a clear picture of what we would predict if Christianity were true, let us see how Islam matches up with our prediction.

The message of Islam is something like this: “Believe in God. Do good deeds. If you do enough of them, you’ll get to heaven. Respect Jesus, for he was a mighty prophet, who delivered God’s message to the children of Israel. Also believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, that he performed many miracles, and that he was the Messiah. But whatever you do, don’t believe that he died on the cross for your sins. And don’t believe that he rose from the dead. In fact, the worst possible sin you can commit is to believe that Jesus is the Son of God.” Notice that Islam rejects Christianity’s essential requirements for salvation while accepting certain other doctrines. For instance, Muslims are commanded to believe in God, but even Satan and his demons believe in God. Muslims are commanded to do good deeds, but all religions teach this. Muslims are allowed to believe certain things about Jesus (such as his prophet status and virgin birth), but these beliefs do not save a person. Yet when we come to beliefs that are essential for salvation—the deity of Christ, his death on the cross, and his resurrection from the dead—we find that Islam is violently opposed to these crucial doctrines.[19] Islam, then, looks exactly like the religion we predicted that Satan would form, for it denies what is necessary for people to come to God.

There is, of course, an easier way for us to see that Christianity predicts the rise of Islam. We can look at some of the prophecies in the Bible. For example, Jesus said that “Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.”[20] Paul added that some people would follow “deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.”[21] (The phrase “deceitful spirit” is reminiscent of the Qur’anic claim that Allah deceived people about the death of Jesus.) The Bible warns over and over again that false teachers and false prophets would come in order to distort the Gospel. Apparently, few people in Muhammad’s time heeded this warning.


[center]Final Thoughts[/center]

Throughout history, many people have claimed to be prophets. Indeed, there are many self-proclaimed prophets even today, and there will be more tomorrow. Suppose a prophet arises at some point in the future, one who claims to have a new revelation from God.[22] Both Muslims and Christians would reject him. But suppose this prophet says to Muslims, “Brothers, you have believed in the teachings of Muhammad, but I’m here to tell you that Islam was started by God to deceive people. The pagans in Arabia were doing awful things, such as killing their daughters and marrying hundreds of women. God decided to punish them by leading them astray and making all of you believe something that isn’t true. But I’m here to tell you the truth! I am God’s greatest prophet, sent to rescue you from evil!” Would Muslims believe him? Most certainly wouldn’t. But why would Muslims reject this new prophet? They would reject him because they would refuse to believe that God knowingly deceived millions of people. Yet this is exactly what Muslims believe when it comes to the death of Jesus. So if Muslims believe in a God who deceives people, even those who follow his prophets, how can Muslims be confident that they have been given the truth?

Muslims boast about their reverence for God and their respect for the prophets. Yet, upon closer examination, we see that Islam accuses God of one of the greatest religious deceptions ever. This should cause us to pause and think for a moment. Why would a religion that prides itself on its view of God proclaim that God starts false religions? Why would people who claim to respect Jesus suggest that he was a tremendous failure? It appears that Islam is so incredibly desperate to destroy Christianity, that it doesn’t mind destroying itself. In other words, Islam can only explain away Jesus’ death and resurrection by making God out to be a deceiver, which destroys the Islamic conception of God. This desperation only makes sense if Christianity is true, and if Islam was designed by Satan to keep people from being saved.

Muslims can object to this all they want. They can continue to proclaim their devotion to God and their respect for his prophets. But there’s something strange about the way they explain Christianity. There’s something very odd about a God who leads the world astray. If Islam is true, God and Jesus are failures. But if Christianity is true, God and Jesus were victorious at the cross, for the door to salvation was opened to all, in spite of those who tried to keep the door shut.

Jesus warned his followers that false prophets would come. He also commanded us not to believe them. One of the ways we can spot false prophets is by carefully discerning when their teachings lead to unacceptable beliefs about God. God is Truth, and he is Love. Islam, when carefully examined, would have us believe otherwise.

Article link:
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/deceptive_god.htm

Sad fellow living in fear, the worse of the story is the Priest failing to do the right thing.

If the church is in agreement not to convert Muslims, then of what use is that church? A church that live in fear, the priest himself is presarving his life, never willing to die for Christ as i can see.
Will God choose people with little faith as servants?

Islam is a treat to humanity. God will continue to expose it to others, in the same way as he did to this victim.

Seigneur, Dieu d'Abraham, d'Isaac et de Jacob, je te remercie pour tes
mots dans l'accomplissement.

U ve said nothing new, prove me wrong that the hadith are written in the air .
Can u list out Islamic books.plz?

Your own WE came up just after @Lagoshia claimed it,by your first expression,it looks just like a claim.
But your claim is just in the company of Goats.

Maybe you talk to your wife like this: Horney,WE went to boutique and WE selected the best Agbada for you. WE hope you like it. .Your wife must faint after hearing that.

@Judek2 will finish soneone here with laugh ooo. I ve said it befor, this (WE) has trun the thread into a comedy ground, @bashy_demy must stop using WE effect! Hahahaha, thes Musilm get character no be small.

Then @lagosShia is the one having problem with English language.
*Arabic Books of Islam*: (1)Holy Quran, (2)Hadith, (3)Islam Fiqh, (4)Islam Lexicons / Dictionaries

@lagosShia is saying all muslims are DULL