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goggs:
I havecome to the conclusion that LagosShia is not worthy to debate with. he resorts so easily to insults. the worst is that he knows SO little of the holy book he professes. For the bible he imagines flaws that in his haste doesn't read to comprehend. Arguing with him is a waste of time. I was warned, didn't listen, now I know

Looking forward to a REAL debate with a worthy opponent!

I knew u will arrive at this point. But u know what, he argue blindly. U must ve a tactic to deal with him.
Courage!

frosbel:
^^^^

They are perpetually and eternally angry at eveything , even their fellow Muslims.

Very soon, when LagosShia's blood boils above 100 degrees , he will start calling the OP the B**** Word.

I was force to laugh at this, . U know i can understand the kind of person he is, when hited with the truth, he run zig zag, he will not even borther to go through the thread, but just rush and comment on the topic alone He has alot to dig out about Islam. God will help him to the truth if only she will submit.

LagosShia:
[b]Islam does not tell us to enslave pagans or maltreat them.those are prisoners of war.[/b]it was your pagan brothers in Makkah that could not tolerate muslims preaching their beliefs which is counter to their pagan beliefs and worship.the agans felt threatened by Islam which allows you to open your head and think that those idols serve you nothing!

Lies!! This was in Mecca, the pagans were the occupants of the Kaaba, Muhammed forcefully distroy thier gods. If Muhammed had not force Islam on people then, Islam will be no where. U don't force people or kill them because u want them to believe u. Most of the People that submited to Islam unwillingly, when Muhammed died, they retrieve back from Islam.

Why this verse came up, was to kill those meccan's Pagans that refused Muhammed's religion.

Qur'an 2:191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the "Sacred Mosque" (This is the kaaba) until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

The Pagans were the original owner of the Kaaba.

LagosShia:
a bible follower is talking about "editing"!!!

that is the joke of the century!!!

you have pulled another redherring and false claim to run away from the topic you started that the Holy Quran is edited.sleep in ignorance,foolish girl!

you've gone on the rampage today by copying missionary assault against islam and our prophet (sa).but each time you do,you'd be flogged.

Ve u been able to bring out one verse in the bible missing? Muhammed, Mormon and others who claim the bible is corrupted, yet they were not able to provide a single verse that was left out. This is an empty claim.
As for the Quran, i can post u many prove from Islamic book backing the my claim. But here i will only present one prove.

In his book (volume 8, part II, pages 235 and 236), Ibn Hazm says plainly,

"The verses of "stoning" and bosom feeding were in the possession of A’isha in a (Qur’anic) copy. When Muhammad died and people became busy in the burial preparations, a domesticated animal entered in and ate it."

A’isha herself declared that and she knew exactly what she possessed. Also, Mustafa Husayn, who edited and reorganized the book, "al-Kash-shaf" by the Zamakh-Shari, asserts this fact in page 518 of part 3. He says that the ones who related this incident and said that a domesticated animal ate the verses were reliable persons among them ’Abdulla Ibn Abi Bakr and A’isha herself. This same story has been mentioned also by Dar-al-Qutni, al-Bazzar and al Tabarani, on the authority of Muhammad Ibn Ishaq who heard it from ’Abdulla who himself heard it from A’isha.

U can see that the article does not contain any biblical verses, that alone hits the very truth.

@lagosShia, why is ur blood so high? The article talks about Muhammed, the founder of Islam, and his followers.
How they tortured people during his days. If u must claim Jesus did same thing during his days provide it, how did he physically do that, use the bible because all qoutes were from the Islamic agreed books.

[size=16pt]Pouring insults is a sign of how painful it is to see the secret truth is been exposed. Don't u think?[/size]

LagosShia:
[size=18pt]CONDEMNATION AND ABOLITION OF SLAVERY AND EMANCIPATION OF SLAVES IN THE HOLY QURAN AND ISLAM!!![/size]

"He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation…give a slave his freedom."[5:89]

"And whoever kills a believer by mistake, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave."[4:92]

"…But it is righteousness…to spend of your substance out of love for Him…for the ransom of slaves, "[2:177]

"O’ People! Every Muslim is the brother of every other Muslim, and all the Muslims form one brotherhood. And your slaves; see that you feed them with such food as you eat yourselves, and clothe them with the clothes that you yourselves wear"-Prophet Muhammad (as recorded in "Sahih Bukhari"


"The Prophet said, 'He who has a slave-girl and teaches her good manners and improves her education and then manumits and marries her, will get a double reward". (Al-Hadith--Book "Sahih Bukhari"

MUSLIMS ARE INSTRUCTED TO "MARRY" SLAVES IN THE HOLY QURAN AND THE PROPHET HIMSELF MARRIED SLAVES AND HIS BELOVED ADOPTED SON,ZAID,WAS A SLAVE AND THE MOST EMINENT AMONG HIS COMPANIONS (SALMAN,BILAL,AND AMMAR (ra) WERE SLAVES)!!!!!

"…ye…may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands posses….wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dower…"[4:25]

"Are these they upon whom Allah has conferred benefit from among us?" Does not Allah know the grateful? (And when those who believe in our signs come to you, say: "Peace be upon you, your Lord has ordained mercy on Himself" (6:52-54)

Salman, Bilal, 'Ammar and their companions say: "When Allah revealed these verses, the Prophet turned towards us, called us to come nearer to him, and said, 'Your lord has ordained mercy on Himself.' Then we used to sit with him, and when he wanted to stand up (and go from there), he did so. Then Allah revealed,
"And withhold yourself with those who call on their Lord in the morning and evening desiring His goodwill, and let not your eyes pass from them". (18:28)"

The worse u ve done now, is even counting on the Quran, its the most pretendous book of Islam so far. An edited book.

@ivoice247, u know nothing about Islam yet, u must read about Muhammed.
Article well writen and understood. Apart from this very article, there are several prove that Muhammed died of this poison. Why will Muslim even admit this? Of course any event that will defile the self claimed Prophet from matching the bible prophecy of Deut 18 must be rejected by Muslim even if the events are true.
The true is all over in the air, In Islam books, so u ve nothing to defend.

@OP, some churches did not relent despite the treats. If there is any place safe is the house of God.

Is slavering the issue? how are they treated? If SERAH ABRAHAM'S wife had made exhange by selling Hajah her slave for a piece of gold, will u be here crying to Claim Muhammed is a descendant of Abraham?

There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: [b] Sell him to me.And he bought him for two black slaves, [/b]and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man) (Sahih Muslim 3901).

The apostle gave Ali a girl called Rayta; and he gave Uthman a girl called Zaynab; and he gave Umar a girl whom Umar gave to his son Abdullah. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 878)

It is clear, u know, many people today knows not the truth, they embraced Islam without knowing the deeds of the founder. So they have to read and discover for themself. Article was written with backup proves from Islamic book. So they can't deny anything.

A photo in attached.

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[size=14pt]Muhammad Would Never Approve of Torture

The Truth:[/size]
[b]One reason why actual torture exists in most Muslim countries - and why groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) rarely complain - is that Muhammad himself approved of torture as both an interrogation technique and as a way of putting an offender to death. There are several examples of this from the Sira, Hadith and the Qur’an.

When Muhammad’s favorite wife Aisha was accused of adultery, he launched an investigation that included the brutal interrogation of a female slave:

So the apostle called Burayra to ask her, and Ali got up and gave her a violent beating, saying “Tell the Apostle the truth.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 734)

When Muhammad wished to attack the Meccan army at Badr, his men captured two slaves who were carrying water for the caravans and brought them into his presence. They were interrogated under torture as Muhammad stood praying nearby:

“…they brought them along and questioned them while the apostle was standing praying… The people were dismayed at their report…and so they beat them. When they were beaten soundly…” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 436)
An egregious example of gruesome torture is Muhammad’s order of execution for several murderers. Rather than simply carry out an eye-for-an-eye killing, the prophet of Islam ordered that the men be executed slowly in the most physically agonizing manner:

They were caught and brought to him (the Holy Prophet). He commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died. (Sahih Muslim 4131 -this account is also confirmed by at least three other narrations).
The Qur’an also prescribes a similar form of execution:

The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides. (Quran 5:33)
What constitutes “mischief in the land” is left to the interpretation of the powers that be.

When Muhammad sent his army to overrun the peaceful farming community of Khaybar, he was not satisfied with the plunder and felt that the town’s treasurer might be holding out on him. He had the man brought to him:

When he [Muhammad] asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr bin al-Awwam, “Torture him until you extract what he has.” So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad bin Maslama and he struck off his head.” (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 764)

(As a happy side note to the story – the man’s brutal murder left a beautiful young widow named Saffiya, whom Muhammad was then able to “marry”. As his biographer tells it, on the day he had her husband killed, the prophet of Islam "passed the night with her in a tent of his." (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 517)[/b]

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=832062.msg9886612#msg9886612 date=1325594037]^^^ are you talking of that living savior that was hanged on the cross hahaha[/quote]U ve never made sense out of u, always waiting for @LagosShia to help u out. Tell me, What's the meaning of ur post?

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=819101.msg9859332#msg9859332 date=1325191047]hahah even my 4yrs old daughter know this are Niger Delta Militants shame on you[/quote]Here,

East:
(Heb 10:26) Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. Thanks so much for making this very clear to me today.

Thanks To God almighty that brought fort his words.

Ptolomeus:
The concept that Jesus is God, arises in the first Ecumenical Council, held at the request of Constantine, in 325, in the city of Nicea because of the "Arian controversy" that through the direct intervention of Constantine (above of bishops) were found in favor of that Jesus was God, against the opinion of many bishops who defended the idea that Jesus was God's creation so being a creation could not be God.
It would be interesting to read the presentations and resolutions of this Council, as well as that of Trent 1545-1563 when we approach issues like this, or the existence of purgatory.
My respects.

The Bible speaks for itself!

John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John 1:14 - "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
John 5:18 - "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
John 8:24 - "I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins."

Sweetnecta:
plappville makes me laugh, always. Muhammad [as] killed the man? Wow.

please tell me a story or chapter or verse that is exactly like what you have in the Bible, from the Quran.

Last week, I was reading Surah Al Maidah [Chapter 5] when a friend called. I did not want to miss his call and i did not want the ringing of the telephone to drown my voice.

So as I picked the call, I did not answer,  until I got to the end of the verse I was reciting. Of course, my friend who is a christian heard me reciting it.

That was the first time he heard me recite Quran.

The guy was so happy that he said that it affected his being; heart and soul. He had to tell me how he as a youth used to love to hear the muslims call to prayer in the morning in his native Akure, Ondo State.


I had to tell him how the heart beats to the rhythm of the Quran. Even the reciter feels his heart jumping and if recite it long enough, you will notice that something about you changed. You may even be tired, exhausted.

It is the only book that will correct you if you make a mistake.


How can this BOOK copy from the ever changing never stable Bible, when Allah says He will Personally safe guard the Quran from ever having any corruption entering it?

Woman. I dey laugh. At you is my laff.

U must laugh very well, now answer me this question. Why is the Islamic Koran made up of 114 chapters today?
Again, in the days of Muhammad's wife A'isha, one chapter of the Koran "the sura" had about 200 verses.
Shortly after her death, this surah had only 73 verses. Where are the other 127 verses? were Muslim able to provide them? what was inside them that made it disapear?

Again, When Uthman compiled the Kuran, was he able to insert the missing verses of which one of them is the STONING TO DEATH OF A MAN OR WOMAN THAT COMMITTED ADULTERY.
This verse is said to have been part of the original Kuran, Early authorities say so, the first Caliphs punished adulterers by stoning. This is still the penalty prescribed in Muslim law-books today.

Sahih Muslim, page 912, Mishkat II, page 534 and others):

"Umar said: 'Verily Allah sent Muhammad with truth and revealed the Book to him. Out of the verses, the Almighty Allah revealed. there was the verse of stoning to death. The Messenger of Allah stoned to death (Sahih Muslim, page 920) and after him we also stoned to death: And in the BOOK OF GOD stoning to death is a truth against one, who commits adultery. The verse was thus: 'The old man and the old woman, if they have committed adultery, they stoned them both assuredly.' "
The Kuran is indeed authentic, i see why there are other books outside it, U can fool some people but not all.

Sweetnecta:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ridiculous since you call him king of kings. It is on this earth you have kings, because there is 1 King in heavens: He is God.

to say he willingly submitted especially seeing all the Bibles recorded in the Gospels is completely disingenuous. if there is a king judged by another king, he must be a throne-less king to mean that he was not a king, really.


seriously.

YOU ARE UNDER A LAW, I VE NO DOUBT OF UR RESPONDS.!

[size=14pt]Muhammad only Waged War in Self-Defense[/size]

The Truth:

The myth that warfare is only justified in Islam under the condition of self-defense is disproved by the account of the Battle of Badr, in which Muhammad sent his men out to raid caravans, then deliberately provoked a battle with the Meccan army sent out to defend them.  The case for aggressive warfare is also supported by the fate of the three Jewish tribes of Medina, who were cleansed because they had rejected Muhammad’s claims of prophethood (and because the Muslims wanted their possessions).

Consider the fate of the Banu Mustaliq, an Arab tribe:

"The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717)

Although there are many reliable accounts from the Hadith and Sira that mention the Mustaliq grazing cattle, not one mentions Muhammad making any effort at peacemaking.  In this case, Muhammad's men violated the women (with his approval) after slaughtering the men (Sahih Muslim 3371).  What does Desecrating a female captive have to do with self-defense?

In many situations, Muhammad waged war for the purpose of revenge, such as the attack on the Lihyan, in which the people were clearly not prepared for war and saved themselves only by fleeing into the hills (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 718).  Muhammad also attacked the people of Taif as soon as he had the opportunity to avenge their rejection of him (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 280 & 872).

Also disproving the myth that Muhammad only fought in self-defense is the account of his first attack on the Christians.  There was no compelling reason for him to send an army to Muta (in Syria, where they met with disaster at the hands of the Byzantines).  Had this been a matter of self-defense, then the enemy would surely have followed the routed army back to Arabia, but this was not the case (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 791).

Near the end of his life, the prophet of Islam directed military campaigns for the mere purpose of spreading Islamic rule. He knew that some cities would resist and others would not. He left instructions to his people for dealing with each case:

The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: If you come to a township (which has surrendered without a formal war) and stay therein, you have a share (that will be in the form of an award) in (the properties obtained from) it.  If a township disobeys Allah and His Messenger (and actually fights against the Muslims) one-fifth of the booty seized therefrom is for Allah and His Apostle and the rest is for you. (Sahih Muslim 4346)

As can be seen, those who were not at war with the Muslims are to be subjugated anyway, and their property seized.  The only distinguishing factor is the extent of Muslim entitlement following the victory.

Military campaigns to extend Islamic domination include the raid on Tabuk, which was a second incursion into the Christian territory of Syria, in which Muhammad forced the local populace to pay him tribute after ambushing and killing local civilians to assert his authority (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 903).  Another example would be the[b] “convert or die”[/b] mandate given to an Arab tribe, the Banu al-Harith:

Then the apostle sent Khalid bin Walid… to the Banu al-Harith and ordered him to invite them to Islam three days before he attacked them. If they accepted then he was to accept it from them, and if they declined he was to fight them. So Khalid set out and came to them, and sent out riders in all directions inviting the people to Islam, saying,[b] “If you accept Islam you will be safe.” [/b]So the men accepted Islam as they were invited. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 959)

Obviously self-defense was not a factor in any of these cases (even though some Muslims are prone to embellish the record with imaginary details not found therein).  As with the capture of Mecca in 630, these early Muslims had clear military superiority and the target of their aggression was in no position to defend itself.

In fact, the first part of the 9th Sura, the most bellicose chapter of the Qur’an, was revealed shortly after the Muslims had established military dominance in Mecca.  Consider one of the more violent verses:

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them (9:5)

The words, “when the forbidden months are past,” precludes the possibility that this was a matter of self-defense.  The Muslims had already been given the divine right to fight during the sacred months, and it is simply implausible that they would have suffered attacks over a four month period without defending themselves.
That they were not under attack is consistent with the historical context, in which the Haj period was a traditional time of peace and tolerance throughout Arabia.

Although not under attack from the pagans, Muhammad ordered his men to chase and kill the unbelievers following the Haj.  The pagans who agreed to become Muslim (ie. practice the pillars of Islam, zakat and salat) would be allowed to live following their conversion.  Verse 9:29 offers a separate rule for Jews and Christians, allowing them to keep their religion as long as they pay protection money to Muslims and acknowledge the inferiority of their faith.  Should they resist, then they should be killed.

One of the best documented examples of Muslim aggression during the lifetime of Muhammad is the attack on the peaceful community of Khaybar.  This followed the treaty of Hudaibiya between the Muslims and Meccans, which called for a period of peace between the two groups.  The treaty was controversial with Muslims, not only because it contradicted Allah’s prior mandate to “drive out” the Meccans with violent force (2:191), but also because Muhammad agreed not to be recognized as a prophet in the document (Muslim 4401).

Muhammad decided that it was prudent to attack the Jews at Khaybar in order to regain the trust of his people and placate their grumbling with military victory and (especially) the stolen wealth that followed.  This is embarrassing to modern-day Muslim apologists, who try to justify the siege by imagining that the sleepy farming community, located about 100 miles outside of Medina, posed some sort of necessary threat.

Unfortunately for contemporary apologists, not only is there no supporting evidence that the Muslims were under attack by the Khaybar, there are at least three historical references that flatly contradict any notion of self-defense on the part of Muhammad.  The first is a description of the initial attack by Ibn Ishaq/Hisham:

We met the workers of Khaybar coming out in the morning with their spades and baskets.  When they saw the apostle and the army they cried, “Muhammad with his force,” and turned tail and fled… The apostle seized the property piece by piece… (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 757)

The people of Khaybar were not attacking Muhammad.  They were farming their land with shovels and buckets, not even knowing that they were supposed to be at war.  This is further confirmed in the same text:

When the apostle raided a people he waited until the morning.  If he heard a call to prayer he held back; if he did not hear it he attacked. We came to Khaybar by night, and the apostle passed the night there; and when morning came he did not hear the call to prayer, so he rode and we rode with him. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 757)

Muhammad attacked only after waiting to see if the people of Khaybar issued a morning call to prayer. This would have no possible relevance had they already been at war with him.

Perhaps the best proof that Muhammad was not acting in self-defense is the fact that his own people did not understand why they were marching to war.  His son-in-law, who was in charge of the military expedition, had to ask for justification:

Allah's Messenger called Ali [and said]: “Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory,” and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: “Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?”  Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ”Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger…” (Sahih Muslim 5917)

The question Ali posed would have been unnecessary had the Muslims been under attack by the Khaybar or if the answer to the question were obvious.  As it is, Muhammad’s reply underscores the ostensible purpose of the campaign, which was to force the Jews into acknowledging the superiority of Islam.

Muhammad’s men easily captured Khaybar and divided up the loot.  The prophet of Islam tortured the community’s treasurer to extract information, then had him killed (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 764).  Muhammad then took the man’s widow, Saffiya, as his wife after trading two other captured women to one of his lieutenants (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 758).  The surviving Jews were allowed to stay on their land provided that they gave their Muslim masters an ample share of their crops.

Therefore, the rule of aggression in Islam, from the example set by Muhammad, is that it is proportional to the power held by Muslims, and not the persecution that they are under.  The rare verses of peace in the Qur'an were "revealed" in Mecca, when true oppression existed (in some cases).  The verses of violence that are revealed later correspond to Muslim military might even as any persecution of Muslims had largely dried up.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Muhammad/myths-mu-self-defense.htm

[size=14pt]Muhammad Would Never Approve of violation[/size]

The Truth:

It is against Islam to violation Muslim women, but Muhammad actually encouraged the violation of others captured in battle. This hadith provides the context for the Qur’anic verse (4:24):

The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain.  They met their enemy and fought with them.  They defeated them and took them captives.
Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers.  So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)

Actually, as the hadith indicates, it wasn't Muhammad, but "Allah the Exalted" who told the men to violation the women in front of their husbands - which is all the more reason not to think of Islam as being the same as other religion.

Note also that the husbands of these unfortunate victims were obviously alive after battle.  This is important because it flatly contradicts those apologists who like to argue that the women Muhammad enslaved were widowed and thus unable to fend for themselves.  (Even if the apologists were right, what sort of a moral code is it that forces a widow to choose between being violated and starving?)

There are several other episodes in which Muhammad is offered the clear opportunity to disavow Desecrating women - yet he instead offers advice on how to proceed.  In one case, his men were reluctant to devalue their new slaves for later resale by getting them pregnant.  Muhammad was asked about Reproduction interruptus in particular:

"O Allah's Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about Reproduction interruptus?"  The Prophet said, "Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.” (Bukhari 34:432)
As indicated, the prophet of Islam did not mind his men Desecrating the women, provided they ejaculated within the bodies of their victims.

As one might imagine, Muhammad's obvious approval of Desecrating women captured in battle and his own personal participation as recorded in many places is of intense inconvenience to the Muslim apologists of our time.  For this reason, some of them attempt to explain away these many episodes and Qur'anic references to sex with captives by pretending that these are cases in which women have fled bad marriages and sought refuge with the Muslims.  Some apologists even refer to them as "wives," even though the Qur'an makes a clear distinction between "those whom thy right hand possesses" and true wives (see Sura 33:50).

Beyond the desperation of the 21st century apologist however, there is absolutely nothing in the historical text that supports this rosy revision of Muslim history.  The women of the Banu Mustaliq were sold into slavery following their violation:

"We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have intimate intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male intimate organ before emission of Fluid to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)

In fact, female slaves were traded like any other simple commodity by Muhammad and his bad of devoted followers:

"Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons." (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham/Hisham 693)
Is it Islamic to sell one's wife for horses?  Clearly these were not wives!

More importantly, by definition a "captured" woman is not one who is fleeing her husband.  She is fleeing her captor (ie. the Muslim slave raider).  This hadith describes a typical raid, in which the women and children are captured as they are attempting to flee the attacking Muslims:

“…and then we attacked from all sides and reached their watering-place where a battle was fought.  Some of the enemies were killed and some were taken prisoners. I saw a group of persons that consisted of women and children [escaping in the distance].  I was afraid lest they should reach the mountain before me, so I shot an arrow between them and the mountain.  When they saw the arrow, they stopped.  So I brought them, driving them along” (Sahin Muslim 4345)

The Muslim narrator (who happens to be Muhammad's adopted son) sees the women trying to escape (following the massacre of their men) and cuts off their route by shooting an arrow into their path.  These aren't women trying to seek refuge with the Muslims.  They are trying to avoid capture by the Muslims.

The same hadith goes on to recount that Muhammad personally demanded one of the captured women for his own use:

I drove them along until I brought them to Abu Bakr who bestowed that girl upon me as a prize.  So we arrived in Medina. I had not yet disrobed her when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) met me in the street and said: “Give me that girl.” (Sahih Muslim 4345)

The prophet of Islam and his companions used war to collect women for personal intimate use and for trading.  Unless she was arbitrarily declared as someone's wife, the woman became a sex slave.  In no case was her fate tied to anything that she had personally done, nor was she given a choice about her future.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Muhammad/myths-mu-violation.htm

From@lagosShia: mumu!

Moses talked of a man unto like him,and you christians say it was Jesus who according to you was a "god"!was Moses a god?

we keep seeing in the bible how the spirit was there before Jesus,during Jesus' days and after Jesus.Jesus (as) said if he does not go the comforter will not come.yet christians say the "comforter" described by Jesus is the holy spirit that had always being there.are you alright at all?

[b]Ve you not yet realize a great difference between Mohammad's death and burial and Moses' death and burial?. Let me give u a brief and clear details that shows in no way Mohamed does not fits in.

THE BOTH BIRTH WHEN THEY WERE INFANTS? THEY WERE PROTECTED BY THE ANGEL OF GOD. THIER MIRACLES ARE SO SIMILAR AND ARE A TRUE MATCH , BUT I WILL NOT TREAT THAT NOW. Let see for the death prove:

Moses died when he was one hundred and twenty years old. The Bible says:

Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone (Deuteronomy 34:7 NIV).

Mohamad died when he was sixty-three years old with four of his front teeth broken.

Moses died according to the word of the Lord. His funeral was and angelic funeral (Jude 9). The Lord himself buried him in Moab and no one knows where his grave is.

He buried him in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is (Deuteronomy 34:5, 6 NIV).

Mohammad, poisoned by a woman whose father, uncle and brother had been killed by him, died on the lap of a woman. His grave is for pilgrims to visit in Al-Madina.

Concerning the Tomb of Jesus Christ, we read the words of the angel to Mary Magdalene and the other Mary who came with her to see the tomb:

He is not here; for He is risen as He said. Come see the place where the Lord lay (Matthew 28:6).

Here is the great difference between Jesus Christ, who died to save those who believe in Him and rose again, victorious over death, and Muhammad who was poisoned and defeated by death.

The Quran records the death of Mohamad and his followers:

Lo! thou wilt die, and lo! they will die (Surat Al-Zumar 39:30 MPT).

Jesus Christ says to His followers:

Because I live, you will live also (John 14:19 NKJ).

Christians believe in a living Savior.

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@topic, They did not do wonders in Nigeria on this date, but in other part of the world they did bomb on this date. They just can't stop killing.

The first Islamic terror attack of 2012 took place a few minutes 
after midnight, when fundamentalists threw a grenade into a
New Year's Eve party in Kenya.  Last year, more than 9,000
people were killed in the name of Allah in at least 57 countries

Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace
"Mohammed is God's apostle.  Those who follow him are ruthless
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another"  Quran 48:29

2012.01.01 (Dadaab, Kenya) - A refugee camp leader is shot to death by al-Qaeda-linked terrorists.
2012.01.01 (Bajaur, Pakistan) - Islamic bombers take out a 7-year-old boy.
2012.01.01 (Garissa, Kenya) - At least five are killed when fundamentalists throw a grenade onto the dance floor of a bar serving alcohol, then shoot those trying to flee.
2011.12.31 (Diyala, Iraq) - Five Iraqis are murdered in cold blood by al-Qaeda gunmen.
2011.12.31 (Karachi, Pakistan) - A Shia leader is gunned down by Religion of Peace rivals.
2011.12.31 (Khugakhel, Pakistan) - Two children bleed to death following a bomb blast outside the home of a tribal elder.


http://thereligionofpeace.com/

LagosShia:
it is a good development that you have of recent being behaving "castrated" and "handicapped".you've moved from being an active im.becile who posts rubbish to provoke others, to a cheerleader for rubbish.you are now the ring leader who has his underdogs like plappville and judek doing your biddings while you cheer them.and God knows if you are not the one with those usernames!!!!!!

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What is provoking in posting the truth about what ur books wrote about Muhammed? why are u taking this so personal? When u post things from the bible does anyone stop u from it NO, the article author wrote everything with the facts he got from Islamic books so i see no reason why it hurts u this much if they are not facts.

There are reasons why Islam ve claimed the Quran to be the 1st book. It has been edited, there are no much deeds Of the said self claimed Prophets. As he is the author himself.

[quote author=ivoice247 link=topic=836687.msg9881029#msg9881029 date=1325521883][/quote]We saw in many source that Muhammed undergo some treatments. When one is poisoned, he has the chance to live longer if treated, Its same with people dieing of AIDS today, those taking the normal drugs ve no sign in them as victims, but those without treatments die fast. What are u talking about? If the islamic Elders wrote about the truth of his death, is it u that will change it?

LagosShia:
you and your friends are fond of copy/paste from missionary websites and passing them as your own articles without presnting the reference.

i think the case is closed on this topic and you can feel free to nag about it.i would only summarize a few points:

1.) the Prophet (sa) knew the meat was poisoned and did not eat it.his companion died while he survived it.

2.) he lived for close to 3 years.Plappville and all your christian missionary writers should taste a little poison and survive for 3 years!!!

3.) Jesus,John the Baptist and other prophets claimed by the new testament were killed by the jews,yet they are not viewed as "fake"!!!

Liar, i presented the link right from the origin of the thread, u ve failed to read through to see the link at the end of it. U prefare to handle only the topic. Were u able to do anything on ur own apart from islamis web rebutal? Let the thread end, the truth still stands, i will join u tomorrow by his grace.

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ivoice247, i assume this means islamic voice 24/7, whilst you were trying to refute plappville as to which poison takes three years to kill someone, as i read from the write up, it says your prophet did not ingest the meat so we see that even a bit of the meat that touch his mouth was enough to make him ill. Bashir did instantly because he swallowed the meat. The meat must have been deadly if he complained afterwards that what he ate was killing him. You can try and spin this all you want but he himself admitted from different narrations.

Moving on, another lie your prophet told in all of this debacle

Now where in history did Jesus Christ whilst he was man on earth live till 125years? All sources show that he lived on earth for 33-33.5 years If your sources cannot get that right oh boy!!!

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[b]It's from plappville's quote that stated christ lived on earth till 125yrs. [/b]I believe it was a mistake because we muslims believe he ascended to heaven at a young age around 33yrs old and he's not dead. Anyways, i guess the quote was meant to be for Moses who according to bk of deut 34:7, moses(as) died at 120 yrs old

The Quran has been edited for certain cretical errors like this. The bible in no where said Jesus lived till 125yrs. i am going to creat a thread on this soon.

Didn't i poste the link of the author of this article? i never claim i wrote the article.

@ivoice247, there is nothing Muslims scholars dont refute, the truth still stands. Even the errors of the kuran were all refuted by Islam scholars

@ lagoShia, Muhammed angels refused to informed him of the poison, He would live longer if not of the poison. He tried several treatments according to these islamic source.

Al-Bukhaari (5777) narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: When Khaybar was conquered, a roasted poisoned sheep was presented to the Prophet as a gift (by the Jews). The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Let all the Jews who have been here, be assembled before me.” The Jews were gathered and the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Will you now tell me the truth, if I ask you about something?” They replied, “Yes.” He asked, “Have you poisoned this sheep?” They said, “Yes.” He asked, “What made you do that?” They said, “We wanted to know if you were a liar in which case we would have got rid of you, and if you are a Prophet then the poison would not harm you.”

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to feel ill because of this food, and he would be treated with cupping for that.

Ahmad (2784) narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that a Jewish woman sent a gift to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) of a poisoned roasted sheep. He sent for her and asked her, “What made you do what you did?” She said, “I wanted to see if you were a Prophet, then Allaah would tell you about it, and if you were not a Prophet the people would be rid of you.” Whenever the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) felt ill as a result of that he would have himself treated by cupping. On one occasion he traveled and when he entered ihraam he felt ill as a result of that and he had himself treated by cupping. The editor of al-Musnad classed it as saheeh.

That had an impact in causing his death, so he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died as a martyr (shaheed), as Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:

“If I were to swear by Allaah nine times that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was killed, that is more beloved to me than swearing once, because Allaah made him a Prophet and made him a martyr.” Narrated by Ahmad, 3617. The editors said, its isnaad is saheeh according to the conditions of Muslim.

Al-Sindi said: The words “he was killed” mean by the poison in the meat of the sheep’s foreleg that he ate, when the effects of that appeared when he was dying.

proo212:
If he knew the meat was poisoned why did he not get one of his "revelations" that the meat was poisoned? If he was so inspired he shouldn't even have asked the Jewish woman to cook for him after killing her family. That is more like tempting fate.

These pick and mix hadiths sef. Anyone that doesn't say what you like then they are not authentic. So which hadiths are to be believed? Or are hadiths to be believed but not all contents of all hadiths are to be believed? Please educate me and i mean no offence by that. Because I see that Sahih Muslim and Sahih Buhkari were also quoted and these are supposed to be the most authentic ones.

Contrary to your mindset, the new testament has one thing going for it, the Lordship of Jesus Christ, the essence that he came as a man and was divine, was revealed to be divine. The apostles believed he is God in the flesh, some people believed even demons and centurions as well as some Pharisees. Because of that belief, the apostles preached the death and resurrection and forgiveness of sins and salvation. (There is no ambiguity about that).

If this is so, how are they inconsistent?

If we look at even secular sources, they agree on the dates of 30-36AD. The difference between 36 AD and 125AD is wide, I am sure you agree with me.

The qouted hadiths are the authentic ones, the two u mentioned. But when it exposes certain truth, Muslim go against it still