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fellis: So pleep is 19yrs old? Who'd have thought.
Pleep you still have a lot to learn and you are too young to be so close minded that you refer to people with contradicting views as dumbasses. Try to have an open mind and to see from other people's point of view.
Patriarchy does not balance out for both genders, it encourages oppression of women. Also researches have been carried out that showed that women are happier and function better when there is no gender discrimination against them.
Read more on the subject if you can. Peace

haha wrong again. If you can't understand that graph, the straight dotted lines are the average.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfxn912acE


http://www.freakonomics.com/2008/08/05/happiness-inequality-2-differences-between-groups/

Very surprising data, especially for China. I thought it would be like its 50 men to 1 women there

haha no i just searched "Sad african boy" or "crying mangina" don't remember which one, and found the pic on google.

I had a female friend say once; "feminists make women look more inferior than traditionalists do, because you guys make it seem like women were too stupid to do what they needed until the last 150 yrs of human history."

and thats fact

wiegraf: My cute little genin, nay academy student, pleep-kun, you in particular shouldn't be going around calling people dumba$$es, illogical, kids, etc. It's risibly hypocritical in your case. You should STFU, especially as it seems you can't take the heat. I would have been nicer if not for your arrogance

Men suffered, women suffered. I fail to see how that makes one superior to the other, so much so that they deserved the discrimination and condescension they've received in most societies through history. Frankly, you assuming it was fair at your age is slightly worrying. One so young doing something akin to condoning slavery, our future looks bright. Sure men were serfs as well, but women were serfs of even those serfs. The very bottom of the food chain, regardless of their actual ability. Mayhaps for now you really are better off just listening to bieber rather than trying to think logically about such matters.

Btw, it has nothing to do with 'manginas' you clown. It's more to do with simple decency, human rights, freedoms etc. Fellis knows I've hounded her over a similar issues, homosexuality. She no dey hear word there

This post matters little though, eediocy isn't cured overnight. Kudos

lol! you guys are sooooooooooooo dumb. like i said, when i debunk one of your points you put words in my mouth and argue with those words.

Im not the one assuming anything, you guys are. If you were to ask a 10 yr old on the street, who has never studied advanced history, about this topic they would say the exact same things you guys are saying. I actually know the facts of the matter while you are just reciting the social memes everyone else believes. And i obviously have more education about western history than you guys, so your not gunna teach me any knew information.

Mangina is a word to describe men who are overly protective of women in a butt-kissing or shameless way. You guys are not any different from the males 60 or 100 years ago, you just express your over-protectivness in a different way. Back then they called it chivalry and expressed it by collectivly restricting womens independence, and removing them from the physical harm that was ever-present during that time. When the majority of women didn't want or need this anymore they rebelled against it and the paradigm shifted. Men have never oppressed women in the west, what you see in history is restriction not oppression. It was balanced out via protection and provision.

"Im Logic boy.. im an underdeveloped gay looking mangina... maybe if i kiss women's asses they will like me."

Logicboy03: We have always had patriarchal societies pre-21st century and so, I dont know how history helps.


You are a sophist. Just STFU and learn

Logicboy you are one of the top 3 dumbest people i have ever debated on nairaland. I aboslutely shattered every peice of shyt you wrote on this topic. To the extent that you were reduced to blabbering about my joystick size.

you are just a ugly nigerian boy who thinks he will impress dusty women by licking their a$$. Go and argue with old ladies in the religion section, you were completely outmatched on this one.

fellis, you cant teach me anything. I know more about this subject than you ever will, yall are the close minded ones not me. You think ur special? all you people are doing is reciting social memes that every other sheeple believes, I know because there was a time when i believed them too. The difference between me and you is education about history and the ability to think logically without emotion and bias getting in the way.

In short you guys are dumbasses, thats fact. im not gunna take it back. Peace everyone, i have done all i can. If you want to remain ignorant feel free to do so.

Ha thats why everyone thought i was 'old' and I thought you were younger than me. Manhood is a mindset, if your balls drop at 8 you r more of a man than a boy like you.

Go shave your mangina bytch.

logicboy if i could create a disease that would eradicate all the mangina men like you i would do it. You are acting like a girl i broke up with.
If you are anything above 17 and are still calling yourself "boy" and following another dude around you have a problem.

Heh heh

Just a note though, if you really are old, like you seem proud to be, I hope you're in the diaspora. Please keep your cancer there. I hope you understand, we've had many an old man f.uck up this country royally. They tend to be goats like you, so pls pls don't come back, not even to visit.

old? dude im 19

If it seems strange to you that a modern man would be 'defending' the old system, well im defending the truth from ppl like you who want to portray history incorrectly.

Your points sums up why i cant talk to yall for too long without insulting people, im sure there is an intelligent reader somewhere who understands my pain.

You guys do not know how to debate logically, all you is talk air. You just put words in my mouth then argue against those words i never said.

Where is this truth you speak of? It's balanced how? You tell say one thing, then retract as you fumble. Ahh, wait, I think we're coming to that...

Can you reallly be this slow? i have said a million times it is balanced because men benefit in some ways, women benefit in other ways. No one is mininmizing the suffering of women, why are you sooooo you afraid of that? Men like you are more paranoid of sexism than most women.

...Here again!

So, you accept wars are a necessary evil? Then why do you expect some reward from the women? It's something that had to be done, yes or no? Basically your duty, yes? Or, again, did you do it for personal profit, like lording over females? Same would apply to females and the well documented dangers of child birth for the very vast majority of our history, no? Or they did it just to be lorded over? Not to mention focus all their being into providing loving households, of course just so they could call us daddy. They've never made sacrifices. 4k you're stoopid.

And your last line, I remember a joan d'arc going through a few hurdles to get into the military, as well as female volunteers during the french revolution that actively participated (well, france was unique in its way). Of course most obviously wouldn't be interested, just like most non-sheeple men wouldn't be either. But that's besides the point you m.oron, because they did not have any say in the matter, at all. Like my black female voter they were denied equal opportunities to attain what us dudes achieved or having a say in their destiny because of something beyond their control, their vagoo, not on merit. That's discrimination, clear as daylight. Discrimination is NEVER fair under any conditions, any at all.

Today we still have issues with intolerance, but that's another issue.

Joan of arc? thats your example. There are better examples like that, the samurai women in japan for instance. I never said patriarchy was a neccessary evil, i never said i wanted it. I simply said it was a balanced system. I DONT EVEN SUPPORT TRADITIONALISM, I DONT CARE. This is not a about me, this is about history and the truth. Why they hell cant you understand this? The only reason i am talking about this is because i'm sick of people like you who don't know anything spreading lies and brainwashing people. If i was debating smart person they would have realized that

Can you stop this immature boys vs girls crap? Ppl didn't think like that in the past. You don't even know what life was like back then, women needed patriarchy because living alone was impossible. Before birth control ppl were pregnant for most of their lives and needed someone to protect and provide for them. My points about war were simply to show the balance between women's decreased rights in politics and their exemption from military service. I never said women owe men anything for fighting wars... If you read through this discussion again you will see that logically, you guys are not making any sense..

Most other animals would also Bleep their mothers if given the chance. We could adopt that if you think we should be picking up behavior and ethics from the animal kingdom.

When were we talking about medieval europe anyhow? And even if no one could vote then, both male and female, how does that translate to no discrimination against them, or the absence of a patriarchal system? Genius

No it translates to: "no one could vote," Exactly like i said. 'Genius'.

Actually, I'm quite pleased you don't think me smart, as I don't think you know what the words mean. For instance, a smart person would rather than post this nonsense have shown me how I was wrong, no? Or at least stfu. Is it that you can't show me how? Well then, I'll assume I was right. Or you're trying to cover up your eediocy with red herrings of a sort?

That is the problem... i could prove you wrong a million times and you wouldn't understand it. You would simply put words in my mouth and argue with those words

Again, women have never had to make sacrifices. Yes, I know. Heh heh, imbe.cile

Random: Mangina me? Hypocritical, don't you think? Especially since I very readily admit quite a few women perpetuate the problem, and I've done so already. You'd think that would clue you in to deducing I'm not the biggest fan of the typical female bs, hmm? My aim isn't to be some nice guy eediot. It's to be, what's the concept you've deluded yourself into thinking you comprehend, logical. And fair as well I suppose, to all parties. You, on the other hand, sound like someone pretty scared females with power. You have nothing to fear, trust me, vagoos are not poisonous (most of the time)

When did i say women didn't make sacrifices? You are putting words in my mouth again because you cant actually argue with any of the real points i'm making. Like i said, this has nothing to do with my personal life, i don't care about traditionalism and i don't care if women have power. My Gf is not some girl who bakes me cakes every day, we have actually debated this stuff several times. The only reason why i am arguing this point is because its the truth, feminism has brainwashed people into thinking patriarchy was some evil oppressor that only harmed women, when in reality it was a balanced system. Females have some benefits and males have some benefits. Who cares if you guys like the system or not.. all i'm saying is that its balanced.

^ You managed to achieve 5 bastard children out of wedlock, then you came on Nairaland to complain about it.

I guess thats what feminists call progress

fellis: @pleep, your idea that adult,grown up women have to be regarded as immature children and that they have to give up their freedom just because more men fight wars is so ridiculous and so far removed from reality and I don't know how you can have an opinion like that andnot see anything wrong with it.
The problem with dyed-in-the-wool sexists like you is that when other people try to show you the error in your beliefs, you take to calling them all sorts of names, not bothering to understand that everyone cannot have the same views as you.
Anyway, it's your life man, you are free to stick with as many delusions as you want. Just try not to harm others with your archaic beliefs.
And if you want to get married, make sure you get married to a women that is willing to give up her freedom to you and let you control her. Don't make another person's life miserable with your sadism and your determined refusal to mentally progress into the 21st century.

Guess what sugarcakes? i don't care what you think. You are all dumbasses here.

wiegraf: With the first bolded, you mean to say it is fair you d.olt, not "not fair". Once again you speak for everyone despite acknowledging quite a few didn't get what they wanted, and had no choice in the matter.

Regardless, one of your justifications for pointing out patriarchy is justified is; men take risks, die in wars, etc. If you're so re.tarded you can't see how women risking their lives through history at child birth is not relevant then I'd suggest you shut up.

The baby making machines that have existed through time, giving birth to football teams with the world class medical care of the ages no less, do you think they weren't taking risks?

And concerning rights, again, you think they all wanted that? You think most even knew better? They were programmed to be sheep, you do know that yes?

Men and wars is in no way any excuse to view or treat women like children. You make it sound as if wars are some noble endeavor sef, but that's another topic

No i 'meant' to say exactly what i said. "Its not fair in the sense that everyone gets what they want" and it isn't. Do not put words in my mouth. Some men didn't like the system and some women didn't, That is why it changed. What i am saying is collectively the system is now, and always has been balanced; men benefit in some ways, women benefit in other ways... bla bla bla i've said it a million times. If you don't want to accept the truth, i don't care dude, you are not the first dumbass in the world.

"I'm making war sound like some kind of noble idea" wtf? And war is by no means the only compensation women got in the patriarchal system; executing women, even for murder, was frowned upon even illegal in many countries, husbands could be punished for the wifes crimes, women were given preference in times of crisis, like the Titanic etc... The only reason why i bring up those wars is because they illustrate my point to a tee. At the same time first wave and second wave feminism were convincing the world that women needed more political rights... thousands of men were getting forced to give up their right to life for their country. In Europe these men couldn't vote either. The irony of this situation was not lost on people back then, (mid 19th cent) and for that reason most women at that time actually did not want sufferage. There were not brainwashed they were smart, they thought voting would be the slippery slope to military conscription.

Unlike you, i have actually read first hand accounts from women in that period and they were perfectly aware of their situation and didn't mind keeping it that way.

Most men didn't have the right to vote? But only men had the right yes? Were women given any say in this decision? Let me see, ahhh, they couldn't vote. You m.oron.


The men excluded were usually excluded due to some sort of financial reason, land or taxes. It was not blind discrimination, it was merit. Merit that applied only to white men. That "white men" bit is discrimination, or do you think a black woman could have done something about that, hmm? Like say become a white man, yes? Interesting

Btw, as I know it, by mid 19th century most white men had the right to vote. Black men, not too long after in some states/conditions. Women? Not fully until 1920. Usa law is complicated, but your assertion that most white men couldn't vote, I assume you mean for the majority of us history, is probably wrong. Not so with women. I'll have to verify that though, but it matters little. The paragraphs above are all that matter actually



After your screw ups you claim you feel like you're talking to children? What do they call them, ad hominems? When you have no more points? Heh heh

No its frustrating to talk about history to people who don't know anything about history. All of you guys are grossly missinformed and trying to explain complex concepts to yall is like trying to teach algebra to a Gerbil
And ppl wonder why i have my signature... well its because there are only like 5 smart posters on this entire website. ( you are not one of them)

Its not like people sat together and made that decision ... its the human mating agreement... A social contract. Every other animal has one. And are you aware that no one could vote for most of human history? Yes kid, back in the olden times we were ruled by kings and queens.

On a fairly random note, nobody forced us dudes to take risks btw. Or you do it just because you want tail? Mayhaps you signed a contract with females for us all which states that we'll go to war in exchange for regular sandwiches, back rubs, good Bleep and the right to treat them as children whenever we wish. Nothing to do with simply wanting to do the right thing, we just want to be a petty tyrants at home. The women sacrificing at home as well, they don't do it simply because it's the right thing to do? Maybe they do it just so they can call us 'big daddy'

Um... you dumbass... men were drafted into wars for most of human history...That means there were forced you stopid mangina r.etard. And you all may be surprised to know i'm not even "pro -traditionalist" or pro Patriarchy it really doesn't matter to me either way, all i want is the truth. No matter how much you dumb feminist men whine and bytch you can't cover up the truth.

And nigga i really don't care what you think anymore... you can believe what you want. But the fact is that in the west atleast, Patriarchy was and is today a balanced system.

@ Wiegraf What the hell are you talking about? Both men and women suffer under any system, its not "fair" in the sense that everyone gets what they want. How many times to i have do say i don't care about that? Patriarchy is balanced in the sense that both genders have equivalent benefits and downsides.

Again, so if men dying in wars is not what you use to justify treating women as children, what is? Mayhaps women dying at child birth? Should we ignore that as well?

What is it that justifies you calling the system fair? Especially historically, like I asked earlier on. Maybe this?

This is why i think feminists are insane... did patriarchy cause women to die during childbirth answer this you dumb monkey...what does patriarchy have to do with women dying at childbirth?

Like i have said a million times... Women traded control and power for physical safety and stability. The fact that women did not have the right to vote was balanced out by the fact that most men didnt either, and females were not drafted into wars etc etc etc.

I feel like i am talking to children.

Another s.tupid comment from so called "logic boy." I never said i am a controlling boyfriend, i said patriarchy was. This is a conversation about history, so I'm going to bring up historical events. Women gained to right to vote like 90 years ago, but that doesn't stop feminists from bringing it up toady.

You are not a real man you are a mangina dumbass. And stop thinking about my dick size and my love life, it makes you sound homosexual

Logicboy03: Vietnam was not a war, it was suicide

Yes, wars will be fought but not wars that end up with no result. Thatchers war had a result- she got the land and strengthened her party's public approval. Vietnam had no sense. I singled out vietnam for a reason

So? Cathrine the Great's war with Crimea was pointless too, she was just taking their land. What in the hell does your point have to do with anything?

Logicboy03: Lol are you Sagamite?


Just because I do not want to seriously engage with you because you're a deluded male chauvinist doesnt mean that you destroyed my points.


Your whole argument is foolish. You argue that a patriarchal system is fair to women and it balances out.


Do you even know why it is called "patriarchal" in the first place? Because it is ruled and favourable to men!


I pity your wife, sister and daughter.

No i am not Sagamite. And i wish i could strangle you, you s.tupid monkey... men like you are nothing but pollution in the world.

A man who cant use logic is worthless, garbage, i almost wish you would get blown up in some war. Maybe in the next life you will have a Vagaina.

Unfortunately for you I am a straight guy from a proper African home with two parents.

Look dude, i don't care anything about you. All i know is that you are a dumbass and you need to act like a normal man.

I have utterly annihilated every single point you have made on this topic and now you have been reduced to ranting about my dick size. Its annoying and disgusting, grow the hell up.

wiegraf: Ah shut up with your nonsense about having some logic. Frankly, you sound as mo.ronic as they come. Please don't abuse the word logic. Do I ever say most women do not usually want their spouses to be richer? I even go as far as saying some women would not want equality you dol.t.

What I say is that NOT ALL women want that nonsense, and you've failed to show why they should be forced to acquiesce to the majority. I'll be waiting for your logic to show me how


And the asinine levels of your comment about war is off the charts. And so what? Because men were dying that means women do not deserve equal rights? Do you know how many women have died from child birth since the dawn of time? Perhaps us dudes (I wonder why think I'm female, not all of us are neanderthals) shouldn't be allowed to vote considering that, yes?

You may be a man, but you are the dumbest bytch i have ever seen. Of course not all women want a man who is richer than them, i am speaking in general. I made that fact abundantly clear you stupid prick. Read my quotes again; "Women almost universally want their partner to have more money than them." "Over 90% would agree with me." You see monkey, i never said all i spoke about most. You cant understand generalities because you have no logic.

And for the last time i don't care if some women don't want a wealthier partner, that has nothing to do with my argument. There are some people who don't like patriarchy and some who do, all i'm saying is that its a fair and balanced system. Both genders have advantages and disadvantages.

And the asinine levels of your comment about war is off the charts. And so what? Because men were dying that means women do not deserve equal rights? Do you know how many women have died from child birth since the dawn of time? Perhaps us dudes (I wonder why think I'm female, not all of us are neanderthals) shouldn't be allowed to vote considering that, yes?

Get this straight, if don't care if men get forced to die in war, and i don't care if you get forced to die in war. The only reason why i bring that up is to show the other side of the system that no one thinks about.

And it doesnt matter who is leading the country you dumbass. Wars will be fought. Every single female leader i mentioned earlier has blood on her hands. Margaret Thatcher, The Falkland War, Indira Ghandi, the invasion of Pakistan, Queen Elizabeth the war with Spain, and Catherine the Great who had continuous war for almost all 34 years she ruled Russia.

Logicboy03: You think women would have gone into war with Vietnam if they were leading the USA instead of testosterone-filled douchebags like yourself?

Shoot yourself, and donate your balls to someone who can use them properly. I am testosterone filled and proud.

I never said i cared how many men died in war, i simply said patriarchy is a fair and balanced system. Sometimes women get stuck in the kitchen, sometimes men loose every single limb on the battlefield. Males trade physical safety for control and power, women trade control for physical safety. Either way its not my issue, all i care about is intellectual honesty and i'm sick of listening to dumb feminist men & women spread stupid untrue lies about history.

Logicboy03: OOh, you're so manly with your big pe.nis! See that swag! The alpha male! The rest of us feminine men with our manginas are so jealous!

Mtchew, foolish douchebag

You sound like a fuckin f@g dude, I could bet my life you were raised by a single mother. You are the male equivalent of an angry black woman.

And @ Wiegraf about your dumb voting "discimination". At the same time feminists were fighting for the right to vote in the 1860's 620,000 men died in the civil war. When they fought for the right to vote in the 20th century millions of men were drafted to die in WW1... when they fought for the right to leave the home in the 60's 300 men were dying every single day in Vietnam. and most of them didn't have the vote either


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GsBg4aW0Ag

wiegraf: You see the bolded, for the first one, add this comment as well:


This is just silly. You speak for all women? Who the hell do you think you are? Maybe I should go over and dictate to you what you can and cannot do as well.


The second bolded in the first qoute I make, no matter how you spin it, is patently false. Today things may be acceptably equal in the US, but you mean to say historically it has been so? When did they get the vote, in the 20's, yes? You know how much work was required to get to the stage we are at today?

Don't perpetuate nonsense just because you want to play big daddy. And more importantly, don't assume you know best for everyone, it is ridiculously insulting. Merit. That is all.

Women almost universally want their partner to have more money than them. I will say that no matter how many of yall disagree with me because in that dusty corner of your brain, were your unused rationallity resides, you know i am right. If you were to conduct a poll of all the women in the united states ill bet over 90% would agree with me, so ill regard w/e you say to the contrary as lies for the sake of argument.

The second bolded in the first quote I make, no matter how you spin it, is patently false. Today things may be acceptably equal in the US, but you mean to say historically it has been so? When did they get the vote, in the 20's, yes? You know how much work was required to get to the stage we are at today?

Don't perpetuate nonsense just because you want to play big daddy. And more importantly, don't assume you know best for everyone, it is ridiculously insulting. Merit. That is all.

I dont care if you are insulted, its the truth. Yea women were restricted and many didn't like it but in the West the system was fair then, and is fair now. I'm sorry but some people dont buy into your never ending struggle narrative

Logicboy03: What? You dont know that he is an alpha male? His pen.is is 15 inches and he controls all the women!

Are you mad because i destroyed your points in that discusion? Man the hell up bro, you are acting like a punk. I know this is gunna sound mysogenistic, but you mangina feminist men act exactly like little girls and its pathetic.

Good.

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Of course, but not the same kind as you.

Remove societal pressures with a patriarchal bias and you would see that who earns more money is not always relevant in a relationship. What matters is that the money to take care of the relationship should be there.

Societal or not, women generally prefer partners who earn more money than them, and they have a right too. Stability and security are the top priorities for females in a patriarchy and a financially stable mate is the best way to attain this. The risk of divorce actually increases almost 40% when the female earns 60% or more of the household income. This phenomenon has been studied numerous times and has been found to be a product of evolutionary phychology. Is not really something you can argue.

Logicboy03: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2012/10/24/gender-pay-gap/1652511/

I am so glad you posted this article, it proves my point to a tee. The wage gap statistic you would hear someone like mrsdarkskin saying is 77 cents to a dollar, feminists believe that women make 77% of what men make because of discrimination. That stat is BS because it doens't take into account the fact that men and women make different employment choices. This article you posted demonstrates how when you compare male and female wages, apple to apples the gap is only 93 cents to a 100 cents, hardly a big difference.

Like your article said, the bulk of the difference between wages is there because women are drawn to fields like teaching and nursing while men prefer the sciences. This has nothing to do with discrimination, as women are actually preferred in education and encouraged to enter these fields. Engineering companies actively scout for female employees. So like i said, the pay difference between men and women is primarily decided by the choices we make, not by some fabricated patriarchal oppression.

AAUW took a closer look at the difference between men and women who enter the same occupation. The apples-to-apples comparison found that women still earned about 7% less than their male counterparts. Give their similarities, this pay gap is unexplained, and gender discrimination is one potential factor, the study says

I am very impressed that the "American Association of University Women" conducted a balanced and accurate study, so i am prepared to believe that all 7 cents of the remaining gap are caused by discrimination. However, like i said earlier this balances out because of the wealth transfer from males to females via marriage and social obligations as well as affirmative action legislation for women in college.

So whether or not we like the 'controlling boyfriend' called patriarchy, there is no denying that it is a fair system.

Obviously some women don't like patriarchy, thats why feminism happened.

When i talk about stuff i look at the big picture not silly little talking points like you guys. First off, there is no reputable company in America that would purposely pay women less than men. They have no financial incentive. If wage discrimination is found, a company would get sued back to the stone age, why would they take that risk? Like most other feminist stats the wage gap is BS. While men on average do earn more money it is because of the choices they make, not discrimination. Working more years at a specific job, taking less benefits, and entering higher paying specializations. The 77 cents to a $1 stat takes none of that into account.

This balances out because the vast majority of women still want to marry a partner richer than them, and society still expect men to pay for dates etc. The entrance of women into the workplace drove down wages and made being a stay at home mom impossible for many females who would have otherwise preferred that. Back when men actually were 'privleged' in the work place, married women were privileged to stay at home. They simply preffered to do domestic work than to labor in some coal mine.

What makes you think a controlling boyfriend is a good thing? Are you some sick puppy?

And logicboy get the sand out of your vagina, you sound very emotional.

[quote author=mondi_cheeks] From where?[/quote]This is a silly question... i just posted "we are born with it" why would you ask from where?

superbloke: Haven't you heard looks can be deceiving?

maybe you dont know what to look for?

[quote author=mondi_cheeks] From where?[/quote]Stop asking silly questions.