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The holy spirit na

Dude trust me... every night i dream about the day i get the power to put all my crazy theories into action.

I do think you have made up your mind on the isolation topic and don't intend to be moved to left or right of the conversation.

I have demonstrated time and time and again that i am willing to change my opinion on any issue as long as the counter arguement disproves my own.

Globalism has failed in 130 countries. Every year the number of impoverished people grows higher, the gap between the richest countries and the poorest countries gets higher, and the gap between the richest people and the poorest people within those countries gets higher. This is the fact of capitalism... it is a system where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, not only within individual countries, but on the global level.

When i hear Africans defending globalism (global capitalism) it is like hearing a 1830's sweatshop worker defending his condition. In is his small brain he thinks that, if he works hard enough, he will achieve the American dream... But the owners of the factory know this will never happen, so they let him believe his fairy-tale.

Nigeria is that sweatshop worker... at the very bottom of the capitalist food chain, and kept at the bottom by the weight of the system he is carrying.

All of this is the proven result of capitalism.... African industry can never grow when it has to compete against multi-billion dollar corporations.

Whether or not you people want to believe isolationism is the solution, no poster here has posted a concrete blue-print for a country like Nigeria to escape the weight of the capitalist pyramid except me.

And people expect to change my opinion when they cant disprove these facts?

We agree on alot bro.

I hate everything about the U.N

^ we are talking about men here most guys dont think like that.

whats an asset to an actual a$$?

One thing we have to remember here is that...the OP is not really talking about "intelligence" She is talking about a PHD. The two are not the same...

A PHD primarily means earning potential... and that is not something men care about when looking for a woman.

^ hehehe you are right sha

But when it comes time to get married.. i go do islamic wedding.

^ when i saw this one girl i liked sans make-up i almost wept.

some women use magic make-up that can transform a manatee into a mermaid.

CAMEROONPRIDE: People will starve. Nigeria is about to hit/reach 200M you cant feed them with an archaic agriculture or subsistence agriculture. How many farmers in Nigeria use tractors? Do u manufacture tractors? Planes? We are still struggling to have running water , constant power .

hmmm... maybe you are right. I'm thinking about demographic transition charts i saw in class.. and basically most of the increased population growth in 3rd world countries is either directly or indirectly related to globalism.

if you take that away.. people will die

If this plan is to work without loss of life, it would need to be done slowly... though higher taxes on foreign goods, not an outright ban. If foreign food imports were taxed to the point where local production was just marginally more profitable.. we could expect to see the investment in the local sector sky rocket

If this is done the transition from importation to local production would be much smoother, and so when the government decides Nigeria is at a point where all food importation can be banned, it could be done without to much harm to the population.

Let me explain : you know democracy(Western kind if that makes sense) is overrated right? Well I do , I tried to voice my views on diff Cameroonian groups etc I have been banned countless times , explaining to an African that he should accept lower wages for the good of his country, telling him Cameroon spending billions to make elections when people are dying on our roads is pointless, telling them to go back in Cameroon after their degrees and accept lower wages. Etc is like explaining statistics to a deaf and blind person.

What I'm trying to say is most of us tasted Western life, most of us are deceived by the T.v showing the West as a paradise and u think there are ready to drop their life style? Vacate in Europe, caviar, sardines of Spain etc.


We need leaders, not the looters and puppets we have actually lol

Absolutely, i agree 100%... what Africans need is a strong authoritarian government that is actually looking out for the good of the people. Like what they have in china.

Africans are too unruly and selfish to practice democracy, we are also divided by tribe, religion, culture and every other barrier imaginable.

Anyone who thinks western democracy will work in Africa is a plumb fool.

Like I said education.

First of voice I share your opinion in fact I'm for the merging of West Africa( Cameroon include) to form a bigger economic bloc.

Why do you keep saying education, we have enough education but it is getting us nowhere.

Why do africans love education so much, did education stop Timbuktu from falling into shyte?

But i wholeheartedly agree with you about a West & central African economic bloc, such an entity could practically function independently of the entire world. We would have all the resources we need to have an incredibly powerful global force

Where I disagree is about how and when to apply your policy as I'm talking we can't stand on our own. The industrial tissue of Africa is too weak even to serve only African countries. For example how many non Nigerian and non Western brands do you know?

Or better let me ask u a question if I open a shoes factory won't u keep buying Jordans ,Nike etc?

Can u buy an innosson car or better will u buy it ?

Exactly! thats the point of this whole thread... In the current globalist system Aficans have no incentive to buy locally produced goods.

If Africa left the global economy, and the government taxed foreign products so highly that they became unpopular, Africans would be forced to patronize local industry, creating jobs and technology for our people.

Number 2 is the only bad one... the rest are good.

I think number 1 is an excellent idea actually, but number 2 is a little silly

About the leaders.... what can we do, Kill them?

Thats a joke, but i wish from the bottom of my heart that Boko-haram and other such groups would spend their time taking out corrupt nigerian politicians instead of innocent civilians.

^ is that annang/ibibio or efik?

Imagine... sexkills is from a civilized tribe

CAMEROONPRIDE: I understand perfectly, but the fact is our actual and past leaders didn't make a technological transfer, I mean if we close our doors , how do we cure cancer? How do we build x-ray machines? What I mean is it will take too much time and we as people are not willing to give that time , I always say to my peeps that African are European/western with black skins we love their life..for example after you close your doors how do you tell/explain to a Nigerian that he can't buy a Mercedes keep in mind that we dont have car industries , nor aviation etc , we don't even manufacture our own vaccines talk less about our condoms lol...closing the doors will b too harsh , what we need is education and good leaders that will b able to negotiate fair contracts with Western, we also need to learn to consume African, start patronizing our own stuffs... Do you know how many African refuse to flight with their local companies? There's is no trust

@ the bolded are we doing all that stuff now though?

Africa's situation is getting worse and worse... if we don't do something drastic soon the natural resources will run out, leaving us with nothing to show for it.

The reason why African's don't invest in technology, medicine etc... is because we don't have to. It is much easier to simply import these things than to make it ourselves. A small Nigerian inventor cannot compete with a European or Chinese company, this is how globalization has mitigated the benefits of capitalism for African countries.

We have the educated people... more than enough for the jobs, its time to stop complaining about bad leaders and fight for an economic system that will actually bring change.

Let me give you an example, generators. Because we import generators, no indigenous Africans are attempting to make them. This is because we cannot compete with the foreign companies low costs and economies of scale.

But, we have the intelligence to make them... African school girls have invented a generator that runs on urine!

http://www.psfk.com/2012/11/generator-runs-off-urine.html

however these young geniouses will never get the chance to exploit the Nigerian market because they are forced to compete with multi-billion dollar foreign companies. Leaving the globalist system will remove this competition and allow african ingenuity to flourish.

CAMEROONPRIDE: You want people to starve?

People will not starve, actually the opposite will happen.

There is enough farmland in Nigeria to feed, not only herself, but all of west Africa. Yet, we import rice and grain and stupid chink noodles from Asia. Does that make sense?

If Nigeria left the global economy that would enable our local food manufactures to fill in the market, and provide all the food for the country. Despite w/e people say importation is bad, it represents an outflow of money out of the country and gives jobs to foreigners.

^ and less marriage, and more out of wedlock children

As the great African Scholar CameroonPride would say: "Une femme sans make-up est une femme sans un amouruex."

But i dont think you are right in saying men prefer beauty to intelligence. A decent man is looking for a combination of both... if you posses one but not the other well.....

isn't that what the make-up is for?

There is also a conciousnes cycle for gender-issues... it usually ends with people realizing that thier feminist brainwashed version of the world is B.S

Conciousness is a circular journey and you often find your self exactly where you began, but with alot more information.

black counciousness cycle:

1. You begin a typical black self hater with an inferiority complex

2. Then you realizes "the white man" is holding you down, and has caused many of your problems

3. Finally comes realization that your situation as a black person is very serious, and ignorant behavior is making the condition worse

And this point there are two different paths you can choose.

Path one:

You embrace Afrocentrism, black Jesus etc.

Path two:

You realize black people are the cause of our own problems... at which point you appear to have gone back to stage one of the original black conciousness cycle.

Ask her for money lol... thats funny

i agree it is outdated, and downright re.tarded when rich guys do it

^ 1000 likes

KidStranglehold: Note Pleep...That The South(West Africa) was much more advanced than North(Northwest). I'm just stating this, because Eurocentrics always like for us to believe that North Africa was advanced...When it wasn't. Many info is coming out that West Africa was more advanced. I know this has nothing to do with what you are saying, but it is still important. I am thinking about making a thread on this.

Anyways heres a video on the great Ahmed Baba. One of my favorite videos...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vhx5OHfekk&list=FLOi5yL1B9aLEWSTjyIwcWLw

^^^Note at 1:23 those were mostly Africans(Arma people) who attacked and invaded Songhai.

This video basically sums up why i think the battle of Tondibi was one of the worst events in human history.

Yes, there are tecnicaly worst things that have happened... but that one battle set the stage to erase the pride of an entire race. https://www.nairaland.com/1271994/bloodiest-battles-african-histroy

How

look how fuckin sloppy he looks. bleah

PhysicsQED: Considering that most of the Timbuktu manuscripts haven't been analyzed, it's hard to see how you could arrive at a figure of 90%. From what I've read, some of the manuscripts that they have examined so far actually cover a pretty wide range of topics. Anyway, assuming that what you said here was all true (the "90%" stuff), you do realize that a society at least needs an earlier, usually smaller and less wide-ranging, intellectual basis/foundation to start from before great and really innovative intellectual achievements can later be made (sometimes only hundreds of years later), as was the case in other cultures? The scholastics of medieval Europe spent a lot of time writing a lot of unremarkable material, much of which was simply Christian theology, law, rhetoric, etc., and made few significant innovations or real intellectual breakthroughs, but they also gave Western Europe a firm pre-existing academic/scholarly tradition that they could use to receive and absorb new information (such as the knowledge provided by Muslim innovators and Muslim preservers of Greek learning) which they eventually utilized in bringing about the European renaissance.

This site has a few of the Timbuktu manuscripts:

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/mali/mali-exhibit.html

As you can see, there is considerable variety in just this small group.

Basically, the point is about what Mali's learning could have done for Africa if it had been allowed to continue developing and improving at the pace at which Mansa Musa had started things off with Timbuktu (and there would eventually have been multiple centers of scholarship later on, as this learning and scholarship spread throughout the state), without this learning being affected by the overall decline of Mali, the stagnation endured under Songhai and the ravages of later foreign conquests, occupations and raids.

There would have been a diffusion of knowledge and new technology through other parts of West Africa through trade contacts, and this could have significantly changed the course of African history (I won't speculate on exactly how, since I don't think there's any point in just blindly guessing).

Those manuscripts are interesting, those are some good links. However, Songhai did not end the Malien tradition of learning at Timbuktu. All the great universities and schools were functional for the duration of both empires. By the time Songhai fell in the 1600's, at Tondibi, there were still foriegn students living in the city, these foreigners were the only ones who were unable to flee back to their villages after they heard of the armies defeat.

That is why i find it so hard to believe that Timbuktu was this "great center of learning" for the whole middle east. If it was, they were not learning anything of concrete importance. By 1600 why had they not heard of gunpowder? the information was available since 1280! Musa made his pilgrimage in 1328 and founded his universities soon after.

The "great learning" done at Timbuku has stunningly little to show for it ... if you can explain this let me know.

And i don't think it was possible for Musa to have been completely unaware of the feeling of racial inferiority held over black people in during the 1300th century. Keep in mind, Timbuktu itself was a slave route. While the Africans most certainly didn't see themselves as the same race, the Arabs did, a race marked by its black skin that sold itself into slavery.

By this time Arabs were already calling all black people abd, and the curse of ham was widely believed and written about. Many of the most famous arab scholars hypothesized on negro inferiority. The first racist descriptions of blacks by the Arabs date around 1000 years before Musas pilgrimage, and were widely considered fact by the time he arrived.

PhysicsQED a) accept that the hostility and contempt was legitimate, normal or even deserved and become a self-hating and self-deprecating "coon" who walked around timidly, shucked and jived for Arabs at the local bazaar every other night, and sulked around the town full of self-loathing

or

b) pretend that all the racially based antagonism and hostility wasn't really there, or that all this stuff was there but wasn't really significant so he could try to ignore it and attempt to live his life from a non-racialized perspective

or

c) become a "race conscious" person with notions of strong racial solidarity and a feeling of much greater closeness to any members of his race and much greater distance from any members of other races, who views every action of members of outside races with added suspicion and secretly or openly desires for his race to outdo those other races in any and everything that is good or noble

You are forgetting the most probable reaction a man in Musas situation would have had to racsim from fellow muslim arabs.

d) Awknowledge the racism, and as a result become so extravagant and flamboyant in material displays as to rise above the low status of his racial group. This is the purest example of an inferiority complex and is the most common explanation for black peoples' material over-indulgence. Rappers who spend all their money on nice whips, flashy rims and gold chains, African rulers who cover themselves in medals while their people are starving.

They are trying to wash away their black-ness with money, and "buy" acceptance.

We need to stop pretending Mansa musa was any different. This is a man who came to Eygpt with something to prove, that is the only explanation for such behavior. He wanted to prove to the Arabs that he was not a nigga, and in so doing proved that he was.

As for Gao, it was a direct and more obvious threat from the perspective of ethnic and political solidarity. Gao's resurgence would obviously have been an obstacle to Mali securing its local dominance in the region, and would have decreased Mali's wealth and its survival capability. It would have decreased the ability of the Malian state to survive politically, because there would be a dangerous rival carrying on unchecked right next to it, and also it might have affected their ability to physically survive, for the economic and military threat that it posed.

Also, that local dominance (which required the subjugation of Gao) of Mali would have been necessary before they could even start to contemplate international and intercontinental dominance.

I agree with you on this... in every circumstance the closet "other" is the biggest enemy. This is not only with africans but with other groups

However, this shows the extreme uncreativity of Musa's empire.... They only fought in the shahel region were gold was so plentiful that it was valueless. He was not able to put the full might of his empire against Gao, because his wealth was useless at home

Basically, Mali was in the unique situation were it could have been a major global power on the world stage, but in the seculuded west African region it could not even acheieve complete domination because of market saturation of their resources. From the gate mali's success hinged upon access to the world outside of west Africa, but because of short-sidedness he only looked inward.

I do not believe Musa could have fully known the value of the gold he gave away during his pilgrimage, so much gold that the value of the metal deflated for 10 years. But by the time he finished his pilgramage, he should have realized that he lead the wealthiest nation on earth. If he had simply recruited a mercenary army in the middle east, instead of giving it away he could have taken over west Africa....

His short-sidedness goes both ways, up and down, side to side, and in diagonal patterns...

Yes it does.. cuz most of em do it for money

majority of black pastors in the U.s were former pimps