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PhysicsQED: Which African states were tributary to China?

Are you talking about Malindi, Mogadishu, and Barawa and other places on the eastern coast of Africa? I don't think those places were actually tributary. It seems like they were exchanging gifts as a prelude to opening up more trade. The Chinese gave them gifts as well. Here's a direct account which mentions one of the instances where the Chinese gave gifts when they visited a certain kingdom in eastern Africa: http://books.google.com/books?id=Xuq7QCmY6jQC&pg=PA44

"The discovers" by daneil j. Boorstein lists those as tributary states.

[quote author=heavenly_nzinga]Maybe he talk about the malindi 1415 they sent giraffe to the emperor of china as a gift.[/quote]Yes, exactly.

PhysicsQED: Well Mali did expand widely - within West Africa. The Malian army was still warring with surrounding peoples (such as the rebellious Gao kingdom, which they re-conquered) even while he was making his pilgrimage.

I would be interested in seeing what you think the rationale would have been for a devout Muslim leader to expand to the northeast and invade North Africa (which had a lot of Muslims) and the Middle East (which had a lot of Muslims) on his way toward world conquest, even as he was making a pilgrimage to the most important Muslim holy site and also trying to acquire more knowledge from other Muslims.

lol did this stop the Morrocans from conquering the Songhai with a measly 2500 troops?

Did that stop the muslims states from fighting with each other?

I love religion... islam is a great religion, but why is it that when a negro gets religion he goes over board with it and self destructs?

There is something wrong with the brain here... this is a man who had control of almost all the salt and gold in the world, he could have recruited a mercenary army bigger than anything else on earth. Just compare him to the Phoenecians (Cartheginans) who raised an army big enough to take on Rome based on mercenary troops alone.

Musa was not even smart enough to capture a foothold in the mediteranian... he had the logistics to transport 60k men and billions of Gold and all he did was give it away.

dumb dumb dumb

Idowuogbo: Shame over wot? Say my bobo na Arabo?

Who cares what the ethnicity of the man who knocked you up is?

The sad part is you think this is something to be proudly telling the world, as if you accomplished something good by having children out of wedlock.

i cant get into much detail cuz im typing on my phone.. this thread is super interesting. lets continue tm, GN

China could have conquered all of Asia if they wanted to... but they didnt because it was against their pholosophy. That is why they failed

Medieval china had tributary states in africa during the 1400's

KidStranglehold: And African empires did 'expand' their empires, but just mostly not outside Africa. But...The Axumite Empire conquered lands outside Africa, like parts of Southwest Asia. The Almoravid empire conquered parts of the Iberian peninsula. And their were African kings that were kings of parts of India.

But anyways African empires DID in fact expand their empire, but just mostly outside of Africa. I mean a lot of empires didn't mostly expand outside their continent. The reason my European empires at the time were able to conquer so many lands was because again...They were industrialized. Meanwhile during Mansa Musa days Europe was a complete sh*thole.

Why didn't Alexander the Great conquer western Europe or northern Europe. He and his empire were like the strongest at the time.

dude stop.

Was Spain industrialized when it conquered the Actec and Inca empires? was Rome industrialized when it took over half the known world?

Stop making excuses, the wealth of these nations was not even a fraction compared to Malis wealth and the maliens did nothing.

KidStranglehold: Before China industrialized it was a sh*t hole, but look at it now.

Not true, for most of human history China has been the greatest nation on earth.

Ask marco polo

and look up all the technological advances they made before Europeans could even dream of them.

You people are a joke. This is most beautiful woman in the world?

Is today adolize arab day? The first commentor is pathetic, don't u have any pride in yourself? U will be the same one who complains when some random black celebrity marries a white hoe

PAPA AFRICA: You lack critical thinking

you lack common sense.

No empire has ever lasted forever. But the ones who expanded have passed down a legacy to their decendants while the ones that didn't passed down a history of slavery and colonialization

which is better?

^ Under-expansion always ends in colonization you dumbass nigga!

If any other people on earth had that kind of wealth and logistics they would have taken over the world.

60,000 men would have been the biggest army in the middle east at that time, and one of the biggest armies at that point in history.

Mansa Musa: The first nigger.

PAPA AFRICA: What are you talking about? He had control over most known gold mines in west Africa. You really can't expect the world from the man.

Be silent dumbass.

William the conqurer took over england with 30 thousand men

The sultanate of Morrocco took over songhai with 2500 men

Mansa Musa had 400 billion dollars in gold and the logistics to transport 60,000 men across the sahara desert and he accomplished nothing.

African history is a history of failure.

^ You are officially a dumbass.

....Im just waiting till smarter ppl start commenting.

PAPA AFRICA: He didn't give away enough to put a real dent in his massive amount of wealth. His successors spent it more carelessly than he.

All you can do is make silly excuses, but you are missing the point.

Mansa Musa had absolute control over the price of gold in the entire know world That is the power of world domination and he squandered it.

He made his hajj with 60,000 men.... why was that not an army!

There is hardly a black man on this earth who can keep money past 2 generations.

most cant even keep it past 2 decades

modern day mansa musa


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5L-N48GN4Y

KidStranglehold: I will have that power! Nyahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree he shouldn't have given it away, but still he has created the most successful African empire. And how was he like a typical 'Nigger'? I mean the every day black person would never give money away like that. Do you see 50cent, P Diddy or Jay Z giving away money like that?

Ever heard of makin it rain?

Everyone check out my mansa Musa thread. https://www.nairaland.com/1268954/mansa-musa-really-great-man

somalia... have a nice cry kiddo.

Idowuogbo: Aww...Arabs rock! He looks like my baby daddy.

I didn't know even africans could say something like this with no shame in public.

lol, i guess black women r the same everywhere.

The guy is clearly good looking... but i think that photo is airbrushed.

I'm still shocked that this is actually real tho

[quote author=ShyM-X]Damn!! Don't disrespect my nyggah, pleep, like that...

He's trying to save the black race from high testosterone induced overpopulated...

You horn.y nyggahs can't just making babies everywhere for no darn reason!!

listen to Prof Pleep - the saviour of the black race!! Dammit!! [/quote]Amen im here to help.

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brownlord: Damn, damn

look its a female.... try and bleep her.

gysl1973: whats happening here?

u want to join in?

little dumbass goat

Talkin in all caps like u gunna do somethin..... lol

^^ shut up nigga

[quote author=ShyM-X]Don't let sholly splash ya face with some pum pum juice, brah... [/quote]haha... it would prolly corrode my soul

brownlord: hey nigga dont talk to her like that

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Shollypopz: I warn you gain, if you don't want us to close this thread with e-fighting.

Leave him alone, ugly baboon! Fvcking kiddo!

Shollypops get your nasty sloppy slit out of my gotdamn face

I AM NOT TALKING TO YOU.

Haha look and somalia9 crying like a baby with diaper rash.