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Listen to what God Himself said of Abraham...

Genesis 26 vs 1-5 (ERV)
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1. Now there was a famine. This was like the famine that happened during Abraham’s life. So Isaac went to the town of Gerar, to King Abimelech of the Philistines.
2. The Lord spoke to Isaac and said, “Don’t go down to Egypt. Live in the land that I commanded you to live in.
3. Stay in this land, and I will be with you. I will bless you. I will give you and your family all these lands. I will do what I promised to Abraham your father.
4. I will make your family as many as the stars of heaven, and I will give all these lands to your family. Through your descendants[a] every nation on earth will be blessed.
5. I will do this because your father Abraham obeyed my words and did what I said. He obeyed my commands, my laws, and my rules.”

Kobojunkiee:
Listen to what God Himself said of Abraham...

You don't read the Bible that way my brother.
One basic rule is you use the known to interpret the unknown.
You don't use the OT to explain the NT.
NT was written to explain the obscurities of the OT.
You don't use a book with lots of parables, shadows, and dark speeches to interpret clearly explained language.
Counter what I said with a verse from the epistle. There's a reason why we are New Testament saints and the epistles were addressed to us

Kobojunkiee:
Listen to what God Himself said of Abraham...
I will do this because your father Abraham obeyed my words and did what I said. He obeyed my commands, my laws, and my rules.

Whenever you see the word like this in the OT "obeyed my words", it refers to believing. Abraham believed and it was counted as doing right for him. It's by faith, not actually his works. The just shall live by faith

Kobojunkiee:
Recall that the 10 commandments/laws that you and I know of today came in almost 500 years after Abraham's death, so it is meaningless to try to judge him by laws that God, the one who defines sin to begin with, never gave to Abraham. What we do know, from God's own mouth though is that Abraham obeyed the commands, rule and statutes that God did give Him, and so God declared him, Abraham, righteous, as a result. Abraham was not a "special" case, but instead, a man who obeyed God's commandments, just like the many other righteous men before him, and those of today are required to - God's standard as far as righteousness is concerned remains the same.
Again, Jacob existed about over 400 years before the 10 commandments/laws which you think to judge him by, so, more meaninglessness. God is the one who gives the law and He decides for His own, what sin is - Sin is disobedience of God's commandments, statutes, and rules. Just as it is meaningless, even today, to try to judge a Jew(Old Covenant) by the Christian standard of sin(New Covenant), it is equally meaningless to attempt to judge those who lived before the Law of Moses by the Law of Moses.

So By what law were the people of Sodom and Gomorrah judged?
The people in the time of Noah, what commandments did they disobey?

kayuseful:
You don't read the Bible that way my brother.
One basic rule is you use the known to interpret the unknown.
You don't use the OT to explain the NT.

Who told you that lie?
That book is written for you in human language, to be read and comprehended in much the same way you would any other written out there written by man, for man. You do not start reading a book beginning from the last page... you start from the first page so you can understand what is at the end of the book.

kayuseful:
NT was written to explain the obscurities of the OT.

No, it wasn't! The Old Testament tells the story of the Children of Israel up to the point before the New Covenant showed up. No obscurities contained in it!

kayuseful:
You don't use a book with lots of parables, shadows, and dark speeches to interpret clearly explained language.
Counter what I said with a verse from the epistle. There's a reason why we are New Testament saints and the epistles were addressed to us

If by books with lots of parables, shadows, and dark speeches, I hope you are not referring to the gospels?
And no, the epistles were instead just letters mostly written to a specific audience(mostly Jewish) addressing concerns that do not necessarily require a re-examination of the Gospel of the Kingdom, and so those letters are not reliable when trying to get a complete understanding of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and certainly not a go-to where it concerns the entire OT either.

kayuseful:
So By what law were the people of Sodom and Gomorrah judged?

We were not provided the particulars of those Law God had or judged the people of Sodom and Gomorrah with. All we are told that God judged them by His standard(Law) and condemned them as a result.

kayuseful:
The people in the time of Noah, what commandments did they disobey?

We are not given the details of that either. There is another book that makes an attempt at explaining this called "The Book of Jasher". It is mentioned in scripture as well.... and it attempts to provide more details to all of the same stories written in Genesis all through to somewhere around Deuteronomy.

kayuseful:
Whenever you see the word like this in the OT "obeyed my words", it refers to believing.

I am afraid you are wrong!
Believing suggests mental acceptance/acknowledgment, but we know beginning from the time of Adam, that what God wants is not a simple mental acknowledgment of His person but complete trust and obedience. Why do you think He condemned Adam, and all those after Him who refuse to obey Him, to Death? Because a Holy God cannot abide unholiness.

kayuseful:
Abraham believed and it was counted as doing right for him. It's by faith, not actually his works. The just shall live by faith

Clearly, you are told that Abraham not only believed in God but He obeyed God. Faith is actually the product of our trust and obedience in God - similar to the way you put your faith in your parent units when you obey them. Sin, however, is the opposite of faith .i.e. disobedience of the commandments of God.

Now, God does not lie, right?

Genesis 26 vs 1-5 (ERV)
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1. Now there was a famine. This was like the famine that happened during Abraham’s life. So Isaac went to the town of Gerar, to King Abimelech of the Philistines.
2. The Lord spoke to Isaac and said, “Don’t go down to Egypt. Live in the land that I commanded you to live in.
3. Stay in this land, and I will be with you. I will bless you. I will give you and your family all these lands. I will do what I promised to Abraham your father.
4. I will make your family as many as the stars of heaven, and I will give all these lands to your family. Through your descendants[a] every nation on earth will be blessed.
5. I will do this because your father Abraham obeyed my words and did what I said. He obeyed my commands, my laws, and my rules.”

So where He declares that Abraham obeyed Him, God in fact means Abraham obeyed Him.

Kobojunkiee:
I am afraid you are wrong!
Believing suggests mental acceptance/acknowledgment, but we know beginning from the time of Adam, that what God wants is not a simple mental acknowledgment of His person but complete trust and obedience.

No. Believing is not mental assent.
Believing has a response.
Noah believed and built an ark. All who believed his words joined him in the ark. That is faith.
Now are all who entered the ark sinless? NO!
Were they saved because they were flawless? NO! But just becaus they believed Noah's message of God!

Just like the israelites by faith kept the passover, and were saved from the destroyer, not because they were sinless people and egyptians were sinful, but because they believed Moses.

Now, God does not lie, right? So where He declares that Abraham obeyed Him, God in fact means Abraham obeyed Him.

Obeyed Him in what?
The obedience here is definitive, not infinitive.
Obviously Abraham lied, falsified immigration documents to japa; succumbed to marrying a second wife, gave up on God's promise, Sarah his wife lied, Angels confronted her and she denied before the angels of God. And the angels of God who wanted to go destroy Sodom and Gommorrha for "sins" ignored her own sin.
So when God says Abraham "obeyed", you should ask, "obeyed in what?"

I have showed you how Abraham being justified was not because he kept some commandments, but for faith.
God doesn't accept you because of how "good" you have been. Quit being a Pharisee

Rom 3:20CEV God doesn't accept people simply because they obey the Law. No, indeed! All the Law does is to point out our sin

Kobojunkiee:
Who told you that lie?
That book is written for you in human language, to be read and comprehended in much the same way you would any other written out there written by man, for man. You do not start reading a book beginning from the last page... you start from the first page so you can understand what is at the end of the book.

Normally true, but there are technicalities that won't make your hermeneutics work if you interpret bible that way.
I mean, read a book from first page, but interpretation-wise, it's sort of scattered.
For instance, the interpretation of Genesis 1 is found in bits all over the bible, esp in the NT
You will have to get to Revelations before you know the serpent you read in Genesis 3 is satan.
You will get to Matthew to know why the Divorce Law in Deuteronomy was so allowed.
You'll think sabbath is saturday if you don't wait to get to the NT.
This is why I'm saying the NT is the known and clear, use them to understand the OT.

ichuka:
Jesus told the Pharisees(the religious pple calming Holiness and righteousness then)
in Matt:22:29 ....Matthew 22:29
But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God.
dude Jesus Christ is the summation of the whole bible..meaning its the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is also the Gospel of Grace.
any other form of preaching out side His Gospel has nothing to do with him.

Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
we should be very careful of twisting.

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Like seriously, what are u trying to say? Do u believe in Christ's gospel as preached by his apostles?

ichuka:
lol
God say Job was right after he repented in dust and ashes.
continue in your twisting.
am done here.

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From the beginning, b4 the temptatn started, God boasted to satan about Job's righteousness. Righteousness does not mean perfection/sinlessness. But did Job later sinned? Yes he did, but his kind of sin is not the type Christians of nowadays engage in: fornication, lust, foul words and songs, seduction etc. Job sinned by justifying himself rather than God and he calls delighting in God unprofitable. The following is an excerpt from https://sites.google.com/a/thoughtsofhans.com/what-i-have-learned/gospel/the-sins-of-job-revealed-by-elihu
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"The First Sin Of Job: He Justifies Himself Rather Than God
We read in Job 32:1-2 "So these three men ceased to answer Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes. Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God." This is also similar to what God questioned Job about in Job 40:1-8 "Moreover the Lord answered Job, and said, Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? He that reproveth God, let him answer it…Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me. Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? Wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?" So this is a sin of Job, that he justified himself rather than God. Let us hear what the prophet Isaiah hath said "Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!" – Isaiah 5:21 (also see Proverbs 3:7 ,
12:15 , 16:2 , 21:2 , 30:12 )
The Second Sin Of Job: He Calls Delighting In God Unprofitable
We read in Elihu's speech in Job 34:7-9 "What man is like Job … For he hath said, It profiteth a man nothing that he should delight himself with God." Let us hear what the prophet Malachi hath said "Your words have been stout against me, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, What have we spoken so much against thee? Ye have said, It is vain to serve God: and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before the LORD of hosts?" Let us also hear what is written in Hebrews 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
These words of Isaiah and Malachi were obviously not originally directed at Job. Nevertheless their words apply to any who sin in the same manner, including Job and every man before and until this very day. Many say that Job's sin was saying that he had no sin. This is true, Job did also sin by claiming to be sinless. (Job 33:9 , 9:21 ) (1 John 1:8 , 1 Kings 8:46a , Ecclesiastes 7:20 ) But if we can say he sinned by claiming to be sinless, we can also say he justified himself by admitting his sin. (Job 7:21 , 13:23 , 14:17 ,15:14 ) Or we could argue that he knew he had sin, but his claim to be sinless was merely a figure of speech or a reference to how God had covered or forgiven his sins. Therefore it is much more profitable and wise to pinpoint specifically what the actual sins of Job were. Consider the pharisees who accused our Lord Jesus Christ of sin falsely. Had they actually judged Christ honestly looking for a sin he had committed, they would have found no sin and had perhaps believed him.
Proof That Job Sinned: He Had Need Of Repentance
In Job 42:1-6 Job confesses his sin and repents. (Job 42:6 ) This is how we know without a doubt that Job sinned, because he who sins not has no need of repentance, but Job had need as do we all. ( 1 John 1:8 ) Job is forgiven by God and called a servant of God because he did that which was right in that he repented and in that he prayed for his friends as the Lord commanded. (Job 42:8 ,9 ,10 ) What became of Job? In the end of his life he was more blessed than he was before. (Job 42:10-17 )
We all can be called "servants of God" if we too, like Job, repent and do that which is right, coming to God in Faith believing that he indeed is the rewarder of them that diligently seek him, for this is what he is, and what he does, for he has promised, and his word is faithful and true. (John 12:26 )"

Hmm. Some will say that Job didn't sin, rather, he regretted his words spoken in ignorance. https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/2014/03/job-426-and-the-absence-of-sin-in-jobs-repentence

FarmTech:
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From the beginning, b4 the temptatn started, God boasted to satan about Job's righteousness. Righteousness does not mean perfection/sinlessness. But did Job later sinned? Yes he did, but his kind of sin is not the type Christians of nowadays engage in: fornication, lust, foul words and songs, seduction etc. Job sinned by justifying himself rather than God and he calls delighting in God unprofitable. The following is an excerpt from https://sites.google.com/a/thoughtsofhans.com/what-i-have-learned/gospel/the-sins-of-job-revealed-by-elihu
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"The First Sin Of Job: He Justifies Himself Rather Than God
We read in Job 32:1-2 "So these three men ceased to answer Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes. Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God." This is also similar to what God questioned Job about in Job 40:1-8 "Moreover the Lord answered Job, and said, Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? He that reproveth God, let him answer it…Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me. Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? Wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?" So this is a sin of Job, that he justified himself rather than God. Let us hear what the prophet Isaiah hath said "Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!" – Isaiah 5:21 (also see Proverbs 3:7 ,
12:15 , 16:2 , 21:2 , 30:12 )
The Second Sin Of Job: He Calls Delighting In God Unprofitable
We read in Elihu's speech in Job 34:7-9 "What man is like Job … For he hath said, It profiteth a man nothing that he should delight himself with God." Let us hear what the prophet Malachi hath said "Your words have been stout against me, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, What have we spoken so much against thee? Ye have said, It is vain to serve God: and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before the LORD of hosts?" Let us also hear what is written in Hebrews 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
These words of Isaiah and Malachi were obviously not originally directed at Job. Nevertheless their words apply to any who sin in the same manner, including Job and every man before and until this very day. Many say that Job's sin was saying that he had no sin. This is true, Job did also sin by claiming to be sinless. (Job 33:9 , 9:21 ) (1 John 1:8 , 1 Kings 8:46a , Ecclesiastes 7:20 ) But if we can say he sinned by claiming to be sinless, we can also say he justified himself by admitting his sin. (Job 7:21 , 13:23 , 14:17 ,15:14 ) Or we could argue that he knew he had sin, but his claim to be sinless was merely a figure of speech or a reference to how God had covered or forgiven his sins. Therefore it is much more profitable and wise to pinpoint specifically what the actual sins of Job were. Consider the pharisees who accused our Lord Jesus Christ of sin falsely. Had they actually judged Christ honestly looking for a sin he had committed, they would have found no sin and had perhaps believed him.
Proof That Job Sinned: He Had Need Of Repentance
In Job 42:1-6 Job confesses his sin and repents. (Job 42:6 ) This is how we know without a doubt that Job sinned, because he who sins not has no need of repentance, but Job had need as do we all. ( 1 John 1:8 ) Job is forgiven by God and called a servant of God because he did that which was right in that he repented and in that he prayed for his friends as the Lord commanded. (Job 42:8 ,9 ,10 ) What became of Job? In the end of his life he was more blessed than he was before. (Job 42:10-17 )
We all can be called "servants of God" if we too, like Job, repent and do that which is right, coming to God in Faith believing that he indeed is the rewarder of them that diligently seek him, for this is what he is, and what he does, for he has promised, and his word is faithful and true. (John 12:26 )"

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