blueAgent:


That's a lie Jesus never said to love God is only to love people.

He separated the 2 commands.

Loving God and ones neighbour

Showing you cannot substitute one for the other.


Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.


Atheists and freethinkers are some of the greatest philanthropist.

Even Idol worshippers also help people through their work or through charity, does it mean all this people please God?

1 John 3:23
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

blueAgent:



Its obvious I have been talking with a kid.

Here is dictionary definition of fornication.


https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fornication

fornication
[ fawr-ni-key-shuhn ]SHOW IPA

See synonyms for fornication on Thesaurus.com
noun
voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other.

Fornication is another word or synonym for Adultery.


Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

you ended up disgracing yourself.

Definition of adultery
: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than that person's current spouse or partner.

You will never find anywhere in the scriptures Adam is mentioned in the connection with salvation because Adam and Eve has been destroyed forever and ever.
It's their innocent descendants that Jesus' blood can redeem, nothing as in NOTHING can redeem Adam and Eve!

blueAgent:

You just say anything you like without Bible evidence.
I hope you know that God will not leave anyone who adds or remove from his word to go Scott free?

MaxInDHouse:
You will never find anywhere in the scriptures Adam is mentioned in the connection with salvation because Adam and Eve has been destroyed forever and ever.
It's their innocent descendants that Jesus' blood can redeem, nothing as in NOTHING can redeem Adam and Eve!

Give evidence.

Torah Laws Are Eternal as well as God's Covenant with the Jewish Nation

Ps 12:7. The words of the Lord are pure words; like silver refined in a furnace upon the ground, purified seven times. 8. You shall keep them, O Lord, You shall preserve them from this generation forever.

Is 59:21"As for Me, this is My covenant with them," says the LORD. "My Spirit, who is on you, will not depart from you, and My words that I have put in your mouth will always be on your lips, on the lips of your children and on the lips of their descendants--from this time on and forever," says the LORD.

The LAW (Torah) is the WAY — Psalm 119:1

The LAW (Torah) is the TRUTH — Psalm 119:142,151

The LAW (Torah) is the LIFE — Ezekiel 20:10-11, Prov. 4:13.

Pr 3:18 She (Torah) is a Tree of LIFE to those who take hold of her; those who hold her fast will be blessed.

Mal 4:4 “Remember the Torah of My servant Moses"

IMMUTABILITY OF THE TORAH -

The Torah itself states clearly that its laws are eternal and binding for all generations.

Part and parcel of the Torah is its explicit instruction not to change even one single letter of the text.

Furthermore, the Torah tells us that if someone should ever claim the mitzvahs are no longer binding, that is a certain sign he is a false prophet. The Torah further warns us not to be duped in the event this "prophet" performs spectacular "miracles."
Here are some sources for further study:

Deuteronomy 4:1-2
Now, Israel, listen to the rules and laws that I am teaching you to do, so that you will remain alive and come to occupy the land that God, Lord of your fathers, is giving you. Do not add to the word that I am commanding you, and do not subtract from it. You must keep all the commandments of the Lord your God, which I am instructing you.

Deuteronomy 13:1-6
You should carefully observe the entire word that I am commanding you. Do not add to it and do not subtract from it.
If there should arise amongst you a prophet or a visionary, he may present you with a sign or miracle, and on the basis of that sign or miracle, say to you, "Let us try out a different god. Let us serve it and have a new spiritual experience."

Do not listen to the words of that prophet or visionary. God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul. Follow the Lord your God, remain in awe of Him, keep His mitzvahs, listen to Him and serve Him – and then you will be able to have a true spiritual experience through Him.

That prophet or visionary must be put to death for having spoken rebelliously against God, who brought you out of Egypt and freed you from slavery. He was trying to make you leave the path that God commanded you to walk, and you must destroy such evil from your midst.

Maimonides, Foundations of Torah 9:1-2
The Torah explicitly states that its mitzvahs will remain binding forever, with neither change, addition nor subtraction. The Torah says (Deuteronomy 13:1), "All this word that I command you, you shall keep and do. You shall not add to it, nor subtract from it."

The Torah likewise says (Deuteronomy 29:28), "Things that are revealed belong to us and our children forever, to keep all the words of this Torah." This teaches that that we are commanded to keep the words of the Torah forever. Similarly, in many places the Torah states, "It shall be an everlasting statute, for all your generations."

The Torah furthermore says (Deuteronomy 30:12), "[This commandment which I give you today...] is not in heaven." This teaches that a prophet can no longer add anything to the Torah.

Therefore, if any person will arise – whether Jew or non-Jew – and will perform signs and wonders, saying that God sent him to either add or subtract a mitzvah from the Torah, or explain it differently than our tradition from Moses, or claim that the mitzvahs were given to Israel for only a limited time and not for all generations – then we immediately know he is a false prophet.

In all such cases, we know that such a prophet is speaking presumptuously in God's Name, making up something not told to him by God. For God Himself told Moses that these commandments are for us and for our children forever.

livingchrist:
you ended up disgracing yourself.

Definition of adultery
: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than that person's current spouse or partner.

Clown.

Are we talking if Fornication or Audeltry?

That's how you lie when you are exposed.

livingchrist:
you ended up disgracing yourself.

Definition of adultery
: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than that person's current spouse or partner.

How does that prove that Audeltry is not synonymous with fornication?

Get a brain.

livingchrist:


1 John 3:23
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Clown you took almost 3months to reset your brain.

Yet your response is still far from making sense.

What you wrote does not contradict what I wrote that you quoted, which shows ,you do not know what you are saying neither do you have understanding.

Everyone claims they love God, even the killer, prostitutes, arm robber, liar, ritualistic, native doctor e.t.c.

The question I have been asking you for over ages which you cannot answer is how can we prove our love to God?

livingchrist:


1 John 3:23
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

And that same Bible shows us that to love God is to keep his commandments (10commandments)



1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


Jesus did not give a new commandments, rather his saying the commandments he is referring to has been there since the beginning and has been known by his audience.

2 John 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in .

livingchrist:
what you dont know is that even to lust after a woman is adultery now ask yourself if you are not condemned by the law already?
It is that same law you rely on to justify you that condemn you.

Before are you supposed to lust after a woman?

Did Jesus not tell you that anyone to looks lustfully after a woman has already committed Audeltry with her in his heart.

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Does it look like a law Jesus will do away with.

livingchrist:
what you dont know is that even to lust after a woman is adultery now ask yourself if you are not condemned by the law already?
It is that same law you rely on to justify you that condemn you.

You talk without reasoning.

If Jesus abolished the law, then why is Jesus emphasising that we should guard our eyes and thoughts?

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

He even thought the people that it was better for one to go to Heaven without eyes than to have two eyes and be casted into Hell.


Does it look like a law that has been done away with?


Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Considering that Jesus raised the bar or demands of the law.

livingchrist:
yea faith lead to the obedience of the law but which law the law of works or the law of faith?

Which one is law of works and law of faith?

livingchrist:
Mr works, with faith you cant please God.
Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Faith that pleases God is faith with works or obedience to God's commandments not just verbal faith.

You can see from the verse you quoted that one who has faith that pleases God is one who diligently seek God.

To seek God is to do his will and commandments.

livingchrist:
where did I tell you there is no law?

But you said we do not need to obey the law again.

livingchrist:
see how confused you are
If the ten commandment can justify you why do you need christ?
The same paul told you that no flesh can be justified through the law.

Not even Abraham was justified by his works.

Romans 4:2
For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

Clown,Paul is talking of the cremional law not the 10commandments.

Any where you see law you claim it is the 10commandments which is been talked about.

Abraham did works with his faith and was justified by both.

James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

God is not a fool, the only way one can show his faith in God is by obedience to God's law and commandments.

livingchrist:

The law of liberty is love, that is the royal law on which the ten commandments rest on.

Galatians 5:13
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

As usual you want to twist the law of liberty and royal law.
Which ever what is obvious is that to show your love for God and your neighbour you must keep the 10commandments.

livingchrist:
James did not say love is to fulfill the royal law but that the royal law is love itself.
Jesus told you that the whole law and prophet rest on love.
Matthew 22:40
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Another twisting of Bible verse.

If I love or claim to love my girlfriend , what are the things I would do that are evidence of my love for her?

livingchrist:
James did not say love is to fulfill the royal law but that the royal law is love itself.
Jesus told you that the whole law and prophet rest on love.
Matthew 22:40
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

That's a lie.

It is keeping the commandments that is evidence of love.


Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

livingchrist:
why did the ten commanment not justify that man even though he has being keeping it from his youth?

I have explained this to you before.

The man kept the law outwardly which is not acceptable to God.

Inwardly his wealth was a god to him, Jesus knew this and that's why Jesus asked him to sell his wealth and give everything to the poor.

The man became sorrowful becos he was very wealth and had his heart fixed on his wealth.

Idol worship is not only when you mould or carve Idols anything that takes the place of God in your heart is an idol be it your money,fame,cars,wife Children, beauty e.t.c
This is from that same verse and incident.

Mark 10:28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee. 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's, 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life. 10:31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.


The problem was not the law but the man, only kept it partially with bad intentions and motivation.

There is another example in the Bible where Jesus asked a man to keep the law inorder to gain eternal life.

Luke 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.


And it is a fact that loving God and ones neighbour is to obey the 10commandments.

livingchrist:
@ bolded explain what faith in Christ mean, it seems you have no idea of what it mean

Please explain to me what faith in Christ mean?

livingchrist:
which work did they do?

Of course they stopped committing sin and started obeying the 10commandments.

You can claim you are not sinning without obeying the 10commandments.

It is impossible.

livingchrist:
God did not declare Abraham righteousness because of his works, Abraham has nothing to boast of before God.
The works james is talking about are works of faith.
Abraham was not doing works to justify himself rather Abraham was living as a justified man.
Working to be justified and walking as a justified man are two different things.

You are a terrible liar.

Which one is works of faith?

The bible said Abraham was willing to offer Issac and that work was a demonstration of his faith in God and got him justified.


James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Which one is justified and working to be justified?

You cannot stop to amusing me.


James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Before the Israelites enter into the promise land where God promised to protect them from all their enemies He instructed them to set apart cities of refuge. This cities will serve as a place to run to for safety if any man or woman should mistakenly kill someone. Numbers 35:6
So an unintentional killer must run into any city of refuge closest to him otherwise a relative of the deceased will serve as an avenger of blood and he has every right to kill him. Numbers 35:11-12
According to God's standard for justice any intentional killer will not be delivered! Numbers 35:16-20

Now based on God's righteous standard Adam and Eve deliberately chose death which has resulted to suffering, sickness and death in the lives of billions of innocent people from a day old child to a man who still love to continue living his youthful life but growing old and weak by the day all because of the choice two individuals (Adam and Eve) made!

Do you think the avenger of blood (Jesus Christ) is coming to spare those two intentional murderers who put mankind into this dreadful condition? Luke 11:51

So salvation is only for the innocent not for wilful intentional wrongdoers. Adam and Eve deliberately put all their descendants in big trouble, if anything should spare them of their intentional wrongdoing then there is no reason for God to send their descendants who never heard God speak directly like Noah's contemporaries and the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah to eternal destruction.

Jesus declared that people who saw and heard from him yet refused to take his wise counsel will PERISH {Matthew 11:23} he even goes on to say those that deliberately ignore warning from his followers will not be spared {Matthew 10:11-15} so why do you think two individuals who had everything at their disposal: the best food, purest water, sound health, prospect of living forever as youth courtesy the one who asked them to keep just one single rule and they deliberately chose to rebel against Him will be forgiven, but people who are suffering the consequences of those two rebels and struggling to manage what they had will not be forgiven simply because they disobey the person they can't see or hear His voice?
Remember Adam and Eve were privileged to speak with God one on one!

blueAgent:

Give evidence.

blueAgent:

The law(not the 10commandments , but the mosiac law) demands that anyone who violates the 10commandments, must be killed becos the wages of sin is death , and that's what Christ saved us from, the penalty of breaking God's law and not God's law itself.

Not the "penalty of breaking God's law". Because as you yourself said, the law and the penalty still applies.

What Jesus came to teach was how not to break the commandments in the first place so that the law of breaking them does not apply to one.

Are you ok? Go back to my original comment.
Adultery is synonymous to fornication but they are not the same.
Adultery is a form of fornication, but fornication is not a form of adultery.

blueAgent:


Clown.

Are we talking if Fornication or Audeltry?

That's how you lie when you are exposed.

blueAgent:


How does that prove that Audeltry is not synonymous with fornication?

Get a brain.

Now I know You are not ok.

When an unmarried person have sex with another unmarried person what is it called? Adultery or fornication?

blueAgent:


Clown you took almost 3months to reset your brain.

Yet your response is still far from making sense.

What you wrote does not contradict what I wrote that you quoted, which shows ,you do not know what you are saying neither do you have understanding.

Everyone claims they love God, even the killer, prostitutes, arm robber, liar, ritualistic, native doctor e.t.c.

The question I have been asking you for over ages which you cannot answer is how can we prove our love to God?

barking like a dog, why did you avoid the question, where in the ten commandment is are the two greatest commandment written? Confused dolt,

blueAgent:


And that same Bible shows us that to love God is to keep his commandments (10commandments)



1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


Jesus did not give a new commandments, rather his saying the commandments he is referring to has been there since the beginning and has been known by his audience.

2 John 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

2 John 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in .

Where is it written that God's commandment is the 10 commandments? Going by your logic homosexuality/ lesbianism as well as sex between unmarried people is ok because they are not part of the ten commandments.

by the way Jesus said the two law which are not part of the ten commandment is greater than the ten commandments.

blueAgent:



Before are you supposed to lust after a woman?

Did Jesus not tell you that anyone to looks lustfully after a woman has already committed Audeltry with her in his heart.

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Does it look like a law Jesus will do away with.

who said Jesus has done away with it.
Jesus only expanded it more.

blueAgent:


You talk without reasoning.

If Jesus abolished the law, then why is Jesus emphasising that we should guard our eyes and thoughts?

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

He even thought the people that it was better for one to go to Heaven without eyes than to have two eyes and be casted into Hell.


Does it look like a law that has been done away with?


Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Considering that Jesus raised the bar or demands of the law.

yes Jesus raised the bar so that hypocrites will not think they have fulfilled the law which no man can fulfill.

blueAgent:


Which one is law of works and law of faith?

it shows you dont even know the scripture, well I dont blame you, only the holy spirit can reveal the truth to a man.

Romans 3:27
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

blueAgent:


Faith that pleases God is faith with works or obedience to God's commandments not just verbal faith.

You can see from the verse you quoted that one who has faith that pleases God is one who diligently seek God.

To seek God is to do his will and commandments.

You think faith and zeal mean the same thing? You might be zealous to keep the commandments but not have faith.

Seeking to do God's will is zeal not faith.