obembet:
Dear Nairalanders, there is something that I don't really understand about life or let me say religion. I know some people may see it as luck or destiny. But if we call it destiny, then every Christian or all child of God suspose to be prosper and leave a better life than Dangote.

Because according to Jeremiah 29:11 New International Version that's says For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

But when I check those guys we call pastors and Alfa in School (University) they don't play with Church Fellowship or Mosque prayers, they get the best results, as in when it come to Education, they are very sound but most of this people end up teaching in one local private school or the other. While those Stubborn guys, that go to Club and party every night, many of them manage to get Third class but they end up in better companies, some are abroad while some are in government.

Also, those ladies that doesn't allow man to touch thier hand not to talk of hugs, infact majority of them are still virgin base on thier looks and behavior ( Not all). They always reserve thier body for thier future husband Many of those ladies too are on the street looking for husband up till now and looking old now. Even those that marry among them are still looking for the friut of the womb. But those strippers, Club girls, they hardly attend attend class and many of them even graduated with poor result get the best husband, have beautiful kids and better job.

Now my question is, why those who lived a wayward life in school get better opportunities than Church goer or those Alfa?

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They develop good social skills. They are not wayward but extroverts. Only introverts with highly specialized skills make it in life. Don't forget that those you consider reserved may be food for choir leaders and pastors. They are not any better. They know how to package their pretense better. Why do you think shy and timid girls are tigers in bed when unleashed?
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Preetti:
one I just met in church few weeks back Is already telling me to come to his house, a worker in church oh

Go he may wants to pray for you,

Where is your research result? Show us statistics to support your claims and stop basing your opinion on assumptions, them say, them say, I hear say they talk say, or gotten from beer parlour discussions and amebos from women hair-dressing salons.

You are all Amotekuns

Kobojunkie:
Because they are not under Law and so not bound by consequences of the Law, including curses .
You see, what your Mogs fail to warn you is that when you make a decision to become of God by believing in Jesus Christ, you entire existence is brought subject to the Law of the New Covenant, the blessings and the curses.

Well said sir

Kobojunkie:
If What even Jesus Christ declared is another angle, don't you think the problem is instead with the way you still see things?

Those who are unbelievers are not under Law - their judgement was sets since Adam and Jesus Christ did not condemn them to anymore judgement than that- John 3 vs 16 - 21

Those of us, however, who believe are under Law and a new yoke that we are to live by. We are even promise suffering and tribulations and the only way to win, this not according to world standards but standards that apply to the Kingdom of God is to continually submit and obey the teachings and commandments of the Law to which we are slaves to.

Those unbelievers do not have the same restrictions on their existence so they live as they like until they die and the end for them - all by world measures.

Ha kobojunkie, stop this! Stop it!

Christians are no longer under the law but under Grace. Haba!
Christ has fufilled the law once and for all.

obembet:
Dear Nairalanders, there is something that I don't really understand about life or let me say religion. I know some people may see it as luck or destiny. But if we call it destiny, then every Christian or all child of God suspose to be prosper and leave a better life than Dangote.

Because according to Jeremiah 29:11 New International Version that's says For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

But when I check those guys we call pastors and Alfa in School (University) they don't play with Church Fellowship or Mosque prayers, they get the best results, as in when it come to Education, they are very sound but most of this people end up teaching in one local private school or the other. While those Stubborn guys, that go to Club and party every night, many of them manage to get Third class but they end up in better companies, some are abroad while some are in government.

Also, those ladies that doesn't allow man to touch thier hand not to talk of hugs, infact majority of them are still virgin base on thier looks and behavior ( Not all). They always reserve thier body for thier future husband Many of those ladies too are on the street looking for husband up till now and looking old now. Even those that marry among them are still looking for the friut of the womb. But those strippers, Club girls, they hardly attend attend class and many of them even graduated with poor result get the best husband, have beautiful kids and better job.

Now my question is, why those who lived a wayward life in school get better opportunities than Church goer or those Alfa?

Lack Of Life Planning Or Early Life Planning Is The Cause. Many People Planned Their Lives Late & Took What They Should Av Taken Serious In Abt Their Lives 4 Granted. Unfortunately, Many People Regained Their Consciousness Lately Of How Their Lives Would Av Been When They Found Out That Their Age Mates Or Peers Are Now Married, Bearing Children, Got Good Jobs & Living Fine.

CharisEleos:

Ha kobojunkie, stop this! Stop it!

Christians are no longer under the law but under Grace. Haba!
Christ has fufilled the law once and for all.

The very term "New Testament" means New Law or Covenant.

God promised a New Law and He came with a New Kingdom too. You reject Him when you refuse to obey Him and Jesus Christ already decreed that those who deny Him and His teachings, His Word, He will deny also in Heaven.

Stop deceiving yourself by denying the Truth that has been there for you to see for over 2000 years now.

obembet:
Dear Nairalanders, there is something that I don't really understand about life or let me say religion. I know some people may see it as luck or destiny. But if we call it destiny, then every Christian or all child of God suspose to be prosper and leave a better life than Dangote.

Because according to Jeremiah 29:11 New International Version that's says For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

But when I check those guys we call pastors and Alfa in School (University) they don't play with Church Fellowship or Mosque prayers, they get the best results, as in when it come to Education, they are very sound but most of this people end up teaching in one local private school or the other. While those Stubborn guys, that go to Club and party every night, many of them manage to get Third class but they end up in better companies, some are abroad while some are in government.

Also, those ladies that doesn't allow man to touch thier hand not to talk of hugs, infact majority of them are still virgin base on thier looks and behavior ( Not all). They always reserve thier body for thier future husband Many of those ladies too are on the street looking for husband up till now and looking old now. Even those that marry among them are still looking for the friut of the womb. But those strippers, Club girls, they hardly attend attend class and many of them even graduated with poor result get the best husband, have beautiful kids and better job.

Now my question is, why those who lived a wayward life in school get better opportunities than Church goer or those Alfa?

Well, to be honest "Wayward" is relative. Even the Bible says "I will bless the work of your hands". A lot of these top academic performers engross themselves is attaining grade so much that they forget the purpose go going to school in the first place; learning to solve problems around you. Don't be carried away, a lot of them are just good crammers. Not really knowledgeable. And those so call "Wayward" one on their spree encounters and meet people with real life problems, find a way to solve it and get wealthy. Even when you focus on God, work on your hands too so that God will bless them.

...for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light. Lk 16:8

This wraps up my answer.
The belief of those christians or believers that end up that way is simply that : their religiousity will always get them what they want in life without knowing there are still more to be done..

For example : those spirikoko sisters believe keeping their body is the only criteria to have a good husband or a better marriage within learning the different skills of how to relate well with one's spouse, principle of bedmatics, how to manage relationships, how to cook e.t.c whereas the ọmọ wobes have first hand information and application of this things...
And unknown to these our spirikoko sisters that all the brothers in their church like all these paparazzis too.. no wonder the brothers prefer looking outside the church to seek for wobe girls instead of the sisters in church

Martinez39s:
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Why will I lie?

Let me shock you further, in 2013, another big don threw an open check in front of me and told me to name any amount and it's all mine. Without even thinking twice, I went on my knees and started crying, begging him that I can't do it. I mean... He was a very old man and wouldn't stress me if I decide to date him and I know a small girl that has two kids for him and the girl is living large. He told me he bought her the CRV she was riding then. So I could have just collected my own share but I was not moved.

It's not because I'm super human but the fear and grace of God will not let me do it. It's not in me! I just can't.

If you like believe, if you like don't believe. It's a testimony for me today and I'm glad I overcame those temptations.

djon78:

Like I said
You are totally confusing yourself
I quoted what Jesus said
And we have the laws 10 commandments
Which Christ mentioned
That's it's all centred on loving God and your fellow man
But you are outrightly confused
Go and study and get enlightened of God's word
Seems you are using human reasoning to interpret the scriptures
I can't offer any help to you

Jesus Christ never mentioned the 10 commandments.

He even gave you an entirely different set of rules that render your following of your 10 commandments in His Kingdom meaningless...

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1. Instead of “I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any gods before Me.” , Jesus Christ declared that you cannot serve two masters - Matthew 6 vs 24.

2. Instead “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.”, Jesus declared that no harm will come to those who insult Him or God, but only to those who insult the Spirit of God, an act He deemed unforgivable - Mark 3 vs 28 - 30.

3. Instead of "Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day", Jesus Christ declared “The Sabbath day was made to help people. People were not made to be ruled by the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord of every day, even the Sabbath.” - Mark 2 vs 27 - 28, essentially doing away with the need for a holy day.

4. Instead of "Honor your mother and Father that your days may be long in the land that He have their fathers...", Jesus Christ instead declared that only those who abandon their parents and families for His sake are worthy Him and eternity in His Heaven - Luke 14 vs 26.

5. Instead of “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”, Jesus Christ declared that even by simply lusting in your heart, you are already guilty of adultery - Matthew 5 vs 27 - 30

6. Instead of “Thou shalt not steal. ” , Jesus Christ declared that if you have in your hand something that your neighbor has need of, don't tell him to come tomorrow, give him that which he asked for - Matthew 5 vs 42

7. Instead of "Thou shall not Kill", Jesus instead declared that “You have heard that it was said to our people long ago, ‘You must not murder anyone.[a] Any person who commits murder will be judged.’ But I tell you, don’t be angry with anyone. If you are angry with others, you will be judged. And if you insult someone, you will be judged by the high court. And if you call someone a fool, you will be in danger of the fire of hell." - Matthew 5 vs 21 - 23

8. Instead of "Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor", Jesus Christ declared, " But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." - Matthew 12 vs 36 - 37
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Jesus Christ said His friends are those who submit to and obey His teachings and His commandments - John 15 vs 14. Are you a friend of Jesus Christ or are you a for?

obembet:
God will never do for you what you can do for yourself

For those that disagree, 70% of our leaders are 3rd class graduate, while some don't even have certificate at all.

Majority of them are opportunists don't include them in your list.....

Time and opportunity are a big factor even Ecclesiastes confirm it that the race is not to the swift.....

Kobojunkie:
The very term "New Testament" means New Law or Covenant.

God promised a New Law and He came with a New Kingdom too. You reject Him when you refuse to obey Him and Jesus Christ already decreed that those who deny Him and His teachings, His Word, He will deny also in Heaven.

Stop deceiving yourself by denying the Truth that has been there for you to see for over 2000 years now.

I'm not deceiving myself. Ok?

CharisEleos:

I'm not deceiving myself. Ok?

You are if you think you can use the words from a man to overrule God's very own Word, believing you will still gain access into that same God's own Kingdom at the end of the day.

CharisEleos:
Why will I lie?

Let me shock you further, in 2013, another big don threw an open check in front of me and told me to name any amount and it's all mine. Without even thinking twice, I went on my knees and started crying, begging him that I can't do it. I mean... He was a very old man and wouldn't stress me if I decide to date him and I know a small girl that has two kids for him and the girl is living large. He told me he bought her the CRV she was riding then. So I could have just collected my own share but I was not moved.

It's not because I'm super human but the fear and grace of God will not let me do it. It's not in me! I just can't.

If you like believe, if you like don't believe. It's a testimony for me today and I'm glad I overcame those temptations.

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Around of applause you nailed it men

juseng:
What you really don't understand about life is that 'grace means undeserved favor from God'.
There's no justification to your claims.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ never mentioned the 10 commandments.

He even gave you an entirely different set of rules that render your following of your 10 commandments in His Kingdom meaningless...

---

1. Instead of “I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have any gods before Me.” , Jesus Christ declared that you cannot serve two masters - Matthew 6 vs 24.

2. Instead “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.”, Jesus declared that no harm will come to those who insult Him or God, but only to those who insult the Spirit of God, an act He deemed unforgivable - Mark 3 vs 28 - 30.

3. Instead of "Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day", Jesus Christ declared “The Sabbath day was made to help people. People were not made to be ruled by the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord of every day, even the Sabbath.” - Mark 2 vs 27 - 28, essentially doing away with the need for a holy day.

4. Instead of "Honor your mother and Father that your days may be long in the land that He have their fathers...", Jesus Christ instead declared that only those who abandon their parents and families for His sake are worthy Him and eternity in His Heaven - Luke 14 vs 26.

5. Instead of “Thou shalt not commit adultery.”, Jesus Christ declared that even by simply lusting in your heart, you are already guilty of adultery - Matthew 5 vs 27 - 30

6. Instead of “Thou shalt not steal. ” , Jesus Christ declared that if you have in your hand something that your neighbor has need of, don't tell him to come tomorrow, give him that which he asked for - Matthew 5 vs 42

7. Instead of "Thou shall not Kill", Jesus instead declared that “You have heard that it was said to our people long ago, ‘You must not murder anyone.[a] Any person who commits murder will be judged.’ But I tell you, don’t be angry with anyone. If you are angry with others, you will be judged. And if you insult someone, you will be judged by the high court. And if you call someone a fool, you will be in danger of the fire of hell." - Matthew 5 vs 21 - 23

8. Instead of "Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor", Jesus Christ declared, " But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." - Matthew 12 vs 36 - 37
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Jesus Christ said His friends are those who submit to and obey His teachings and His commandments - John 15 vs 14. Are you a friend of Jesus Christ or are you a for?

Confusion confusion confusion

I really didn't have strength to type,but I had to reply you. Your see in life things are not just cut out in black and white,life is very very deeply embedded in mysteries.

There are so many factors affecting success in life..I will give you some of them.Its called :

.The contradictions and Ironies of life. Such as ur examples above. This mystery can be seen in Eccl 10 vs 7 and chapter 9 vs 11..

.Foundation:Many of this people their foundation is in a way,good or godly if I might say.Foundation is the reason most times a man sweats,labours, struggles,works like an ant but has nothing to show for it.Some people have evil ancestors who practiced atrocities and abominations and now their lineage must reap and endure the fruits of their Wickedness.Where others make it they fail.For some people,while others fail,they succeed because good ground have been laid for them.

.lack of common Sense.Many don't know that even Nature strive to seek balance.The sun doesn't shine all day long,the rain doesn't fall all year round.Seasons,plants,fruits have their time and place to grow and flourish.

Many church goers do not find balance in life,they have no social skills and do not create relationships which might be useful.They be all about Church,school,work,home,they don't mingle with others.God can use anyone to bless someone..Remember how God used Rahab the prostitute in the Bible to save the lives of the Isrealites.

And she even became an ancestor of Jesus Christ.Jesus Christ came through her lineage,the lineage of a prostitute! Life works in harmony with the laws of God. Remember Jesus Christ was even the friend of "SINNERS" in the Bible.
Cultivate a social life...not necessarily wild or gangster,but social.Find that balance.

In life we need others, everyone is important.Learn to build relationships and add value in others lives,when the need arises,they will be compelled to return the kindness. I have to stop here will continue later.Got to go shopping.






quote author=obembet post=103069625]Dear Nairalanders, there is something that I don't really understand about life or let me say religion. I know some people may see it as luck or destiny. But if we call it destiny, then every Christian or all child of God suspose to be prosper and leave a better life than Dangote.

Because according to Jeremiah 29:11 New International Version that's says For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

But when I check those guys we call pastors and Alfa in School (University) they don't play with Church Fellowship or Mosque prayers, they get the best results, as in when it come to Education, they are very sound but most of this people end up teaching in one local private school or the other. While those Stubborn guys, that go to Club and party every night, many of them manage to get Third class but they end up in better companies, some are abroad while some are in government.

Also, those ladies that doesn't allow man to touch thier hand not to talk of hugs, infact majority of them are still virgin base on thier looks and behavior ( Not all). They always reserve thier body for thier future husband Many of those ladies too are on the street looking for husband up till now and looking old now. Even those that marry among them are still looking for the friut of the womb. But those strippers, Club girls, they hardly attend attend class and many of them even graduated with poor result get the best husband, have beautiful kids and better job.

Now my question is, why those who lived a wayward life in school get better opportunities than Church goer or those Alfa?
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djon78:

Confusion confusion confusion

So what confusion do you see yourself tangled up in there?.

Same reason tithers are not the most prosperous around, infact many diligent tithers I know are poor. The reason is not far fetched, God will not do for you what you fail to do for yourself. Most times what work alone can do, faith alone cannot do it. Infact hustling hard and smart is a measure of faith on its own.
The reason we go to church is for our spiritual edification not for physical prosperity, don't let the Pastors fool you.
Las las we are all God's children whether christian or Muslim or traditional worshiper, God blesses the hand that works hard irrespective of his religious leanings. Faith and prayers don't pay the bill, hardwork coupled trust in God is what makes the difference.
Know this and do well in life.

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V.Griller

obembet:
Dear Nairalanders, there is something that I don't really understand about life or let me say religion. I know some people may see it as luck or destiny. But if we call it destiny, then every Christian or all child of God suspose to be prosper and leave a better life than Dangote.

Because according to Jeremiah 29:11 New International Version that's says For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

But when I check those guys we call pastors and Alfa in School (University) they don't play with Church Fellowship or Mosque prayers, they get the best results, as in when it come to Education, they are very sound but most of this people end up teaching in one local private school or the other. While those Stubborn guys, that go to Club and party every night, many of them manage to get Third class but they end up in better companies, some are abroad while some are in government.

Also, those ladies that doesn't allow man to touch thier hand not to talk of hugs, infact majority of them are still virgin base on thier looks and behavior ( Not all). They always reserve thier body for thier future husband Many of those ladies too are on the street looking for husband up till now and looking old now. Even those that marry among them are still looking for the friut of the womb. But those strippers, Club girls, they hardly attend attend class and many of them even graduated with poor result get the best husband, have beautiful kids and better job.

Now my question is, why those who lived a wayward life in school get better opportunities than Church goer or those Alfa?

Funny enough you're actually very correct. It's a bitter truth.
But the reason it's so in Nigeria is because the system has been bastardized. So because we don't have a working system, the same so called wayward guys will always look for a way to compromise and beat the system to get what they want. But the religious ones see it as a sin against their Faith to partake in such compromise hence remaining stuck for a long time in a spot. The wayward guys see nothing wrong in paying for slots and sleeping with anybody for jobs but the religious guys would find it difficult to involve in such corrupt and immoral practices so they're stagnated or manage anything to feed themselves. However, in a sane clime where system works,the system has a way of rewarding the responsible, diligent and hardworking guys while the gadabouts keep playing catch up because it's gabbage in gabbage out. I don't think it has anything to do with religion though because irrespective of your religious inclinations, you always get what you deserve in a working system. I think it's more of a system failure than religious persuasion.However, even in this terrible,corrupt and failed system of Nigeria God is still proving himself in the lives of his people.


The word of God remains true and immutable. May God help us all.

Kobojunkie:
You are taking of smartness groomed in the church to change the world by world standards or by God's standards? This is confusing....

Whichever

Kobojunkie:
So what confusion do you see yourself tangled up in there?.

You are the one confused

Go and sought yourself out

Scarfin:

Whichever

Look.. anyone who is of the Kingdom of God is bound by a different set of rules than those who are not a part of it. So. What you call smarts among those who believe in Jesus Christ ought instead to translate to "Kingdom of God" type success , something that is rarely even to this day, and not success by world measure.

djon78:

You are the one confused
Go and sought yourself out

You are the one crying confusion here....I have even asked you what it is you are confused about yet you refuse to mention.

No 1 the premise of ur assertion is fundamentally flawed as a result ur conclusion is also falsifiable, who carried out this research, what was the methodology in carrying out the result, u just did an armchair analysis, aided by the digested weed u took this afternoon.

For every claim u make be sure there's sufficient research backing it otherwise you are just a garrulous hocus pocus.

Kobojunkie:
You are if you think you can use the words from a man to overrule God's very own Word, believing you will still gain access into that same God's own Kingdom at the end of the day.

Stop it!!!
Stop attacking me, I don't like it!

PotatoSalad:
I have a question...
Just one.

This heavenly race. When you eventually get there, what's next? Dance and sing praises for eternity or what? Cos I don't get it.
If that's all that you'll do in 'Heaven', then isn't it better to make a heaven here on Earth while you're still alive and enjoy all the benefits that come with it. Instead of living a limited and boring life here for what? A reward.

Heavenly Bliss

CharisEleos:

Stop it!!!
Stop attacking me, I don't like it!

Attacking? I am again simply telling you the Truth of God which you continue to ignore.

Even Jesus Christ went as far as to say that His friends are those who do what He tells them to do - John 15 vs 14. If you do not believe He is Law and do not obey His Laws, How do you intend to gain entrance into His house?

Apt

Elvis778:

Exactly, it's not about waywardness, most of them are not wayward, they are just very social and have the opportunity to grab ideas from all angle, and are even motivated to harness opportunities even while in school.....but the overtly religious ones are mainly focused in school and religion, everything about them is dedicated to school, most of them don't have a plan B cuz they don't even socialize with every other person(fear of turning wayward I guess) talk more of gaining new ideas, they tend to look down on opportunities due to their belief, someone in my department once said crypto and Forex trading is a sin and all sinners shall go to hell.....well, just like that he overlooked the opportunity.....even if tomorrow, u are the head of a company and need someone with sound business mind to handle a position, or u are asked to recommend someone for such position, will u recommend such a person?....being religious is ok, focusing on school is cool too, but to succeed in life, u have to balance the equation.... College degree is something but not everything, atmost it would make you an employee, but if u don't push more in life, u can never be an employer.