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Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Dtruthspeaker: 11:28am On Jun 28, 2021 |
Kingsnairaland: And after all they had learnt and done, we surely see that they made it for Christ said that they shall be the Judges of Israel. Thus, in the end, the impossibility we cried out was overcome, even by those who said it was impossible. So, like them I intend to forge ahead and attempt to obey and fulfill all the Law. I hope you join me. |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Kingsnairaland(m): 12:08pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: Yes ooo Who no like better thing |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Dtruthspeaker: 12:09pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Splinz: I Agree that this is The Law "Keep All Holy Days, "Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever And we know forever means "in force and application always and unending." Splinz: The Gift of Rest and Peace and Opportunity to See the Goodness and Love of God (Opportunity to Count your Blessings). There is no rest and peace when work is being done. Splinz: The Law was not broken for they were Truly At Rest and In the Company of Commander of The Law of Sabbath! So it was impossible for them to be breaking a Law in His Presence. So your statement hereunder is a misrepresentation Splinz: Love, is The Law and The Law, is Love. Thus, as the healing of the paralytic on the Sabbath day has taught us, The Law is Fulfilled when Good and Love is Done Bringing and doing Joy, love, happiness and goodness, Never Breaks The Law but full fills it. Splinz: Perfect and Accurate. 1 Like |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Dtruthspeaker: 12:12pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: No sir, The Law Expressly said the 7th Day and that This Law lasts Forever. So as you say that the 10 Commandments are in force, you also say the Law of the 7th Day is in force. |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 12:17pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: Because Jesus arose from the dead on the first day of the week, Sunday, those early Christians called it the "Lord's Day" (Revelation 1:10), and regularly met for their Christian worship on Sunday (Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2). The then Christians meet at the first day of the week and God still moved mightily in them Should I explain the verse (Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2) |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Dtruthspeaker: 12:19pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: The question is why? Because, you are now a Doer of Love and Goodness, All Day Long, All Week Long, All Month Long and All Year Long! And the Sabbath is about All Things Good and Right and Loving, so one technically become Mr. Sabbath. And what is "Sabbath" again? That which is "Holy". And The Law is "Be ye Holy as I am Holy"! Thus, The Law is again Fulfilled. |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Splinz(m): 12:19pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: Quite an interesting changed of gear. From Jesus (according to you) explaining that you don't have to follow His own example, and Paul telling you that look, you don't have to keep that Sabbath on Saturday but any day you feel like; according to your own impulses. Now, it is because Jesus resurrected on Sunday. Really an interesting storyline. But of course, we will, together, prove this Jesus Sunday resurrection claim of yours, and hold on to what can be proven, right and true, in line with the scripture. 1 Thessalonians 5:21. Jesus gave a sign, actually an only sign, that shows that He was the Messiah, and that sign was the sign of Jonah (Matthew 16:4). And what is Jonah's sign? Three days and three nights. In other words, Jesus is saying that just as Jonah was in the whale's belly for three days and three nights, so will it be with His death and resurrection. Furthermore, He went on to explained how many hours are in a day. He said a day is made up of 12 hours (John 11:29). That means, 12 in a day and another 12 in a night. So going by the sign Jesus gave us, He was to be in the grave for a total of 72 hours, nothing more and nothing less. If He fails this sign the exact way He prophesied it, then He is not our saviour but an imposter; fake. But of course, let God be true and every man a liar (Romans 3:4). Now, it's time to calculate Jesus sign from your late Friday to early morning burial and resurrection. If going by your tradition that Jesus died on a Friday (late Friday or evening) or what is commonly called "Good Friday" and was buried, kindly calculate, using Jesus definition of a day, the period between Friday evening and early morning Sunday claimed resurrection. Is it up to 3 days and three nights; a total of 72 hours? If it is not up to 72 hours, then what you have as "Jesus" is an imposter or what is called "another Jesus" (2 Corinthians 11:4, KJV). And no wonder this Jesus is teaching against God's commandments like the Sabbath law, and also failing the sign of the living Jesus. No wonder! |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 12:20pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: Acts 20:7 King James Version 7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 12:21pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: 1 Corinthians 16:2, NASB: "On the first day of every week, each of you is to put aside and save as he may prosper, so that no collections need to be made when I come." 1 Corinthians 16:2, NLT: "On the first day of each week, you should each put aside a portion of the money you have earned. |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 12:23pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Splinz: because Jesus resurrected on Sunday. Really an interesting storyline. Answer no Look at the day they gathered to do church It says the first day of the week Acts 20:7 King James Version 7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight Paul preach to them on the first day of week they did church that day that Sunday |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 12:33pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
The disciples break bread they preached they did church on Sunday And thunder did not happen God did not stop them God is not limited Any day is acceptable unto the father You can do church every year if you want |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Dtruthspeaker: 12:33pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: Wrong sir! The Lord Himself, even revered the Sabbath and Observed it. That was why He Wilfully got back on the day after the Sabbath. which Significantly shows us how that Law is Very Important and must be revered and observed! Also, Day of The Lord, is Judgment Day -(Zephaniah 1:14-18: Isaiah 13:9-11; Jeremiah 46:10) Google it and see more all point to Judgement Day! and not Resurrection Day! |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 12:36pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: The disciples break bread they preached they did church on Sunday And thunder did not happen God did not stop them God is not limited Any day is acceptable unto the father You can do church every year if you want |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Splinz(m): 12:39pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: Oh Dtruth, you're here. Welcome. Please tell Kingsley more. |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 12:44pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Splinz: He had said his part Which I have explained The people who started Christianity after christ gathered on Sunday to worship eat communion preach and do church on Sunday |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Splinz(m): 12:53pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: Kingsley don't be like this. It's horrible for someone who bears "bishop" as a designation. Question is: Did Jesus resurrect on Sunday? Yes or No? |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 12:55pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Splinz: My brother I told you forget about that part I wrote because he resurrected on Sunday Now I show u why Sunday service is not a sin Acts 20:7 King James Version 7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 12:57pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Should I edit that resurrection part I told you neglect it and focus on the day they did church |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Dtruthspeaker: 12:57pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: You have changed post here but I believe it is because you are thinking on it, so I'll answer you on this present post. What you have just described is the very very Great Goodness of God and the DANGER of The Lord. To think this way is very fatal. For Cain Murdered, and God did not send down thunder, same for Lamech who Also Murdered and Broke The Law of One Wife. For this is The Law you should be aware of Ecclesiastics 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work IS NOT EXECUTED SPEEDILY, therefore the hearts of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil." Do not be that man who continues in doing that which is wrong simply because "God is Good"! |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 12:58pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Splinz: Question is: Did Jesus resurrect on Sunday? Yes or No? The day he resurrected is not the bone of contention let me look at the Scriptures properly and note the day he resurrected If that your issue |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:00pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: Jesus OK forget about the thunder and iron this part Acts 20:7 King James Version 7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:15pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
The point of Sabbath is Is Sunday worshiping a sin Answer no Why no Because Jesus practiced Sabbath but never gave it as a command Jesus made us to know it meant to help us in other words any day can be your rest Paul said no one will judge you on Saturday issues Christians did church on Sunday Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. He did not say don't forsake Sabbath days |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:23pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
God was right when he told the old testament people I will make a new covenant with my people All the ten commandment in the old covenant Jesus added to it equally modified it Paul also explained on them and opened up Sabbath up for us clearly Because some jews were persecuting some new church members on this issue that Jesus clearly said was to work for us not stress us Paul knew in Jesus there is no special days Any day is acceptable any day is holy No animal that God has blessed is unclean Etc |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Dtruthspeaker: 1:27pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: First day of the week up to the Sixth day of that week, you have 2 Law full Options 1) To return to your industry and Work eg Commercial farming, Fishing, etc or 2) A day to continue the Labour and Work of Love, Preaching, Testifying about the Goodness of God, Giving alms and all manners of good things. But on the 7th Day, it is Option 2 Only for regular folks. But for those who KNOW ABOUT CHRIST AND UNDERSTAND HIS GOAL, Sabbath Never Ever Ends! That is why you see Paul and the Disciples preaching and Continuing Sabbath on the First Day of the week. |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:30pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: Totally out of point Let me break it down Now from that scripture we can see they did church on Sunday Question Did the disciples commit sin by Doing church on Sunday first day of the week |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Dtruthspeaker: 1:46pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: This is the point! Let me open it further this way. Is it Law Full to hold Church on the First or the Second or the fifth Day of the week? I am certain you would say "it is"! Therefore, it is Law Full to hold Church even on the first, second, third ... of the week if you can have it so. |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:58pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: So since you agree with me that it not a sin then the case is settled |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:59pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: Good because many Scriptures point to the fact any day is holy In Christ there is liberty so long that liberty does not lead to sin Good |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 2:15pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Romans 14:5 — New Living Translation (NLT) 5 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable. |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Splinz(m): 2:19pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: Okay. In other word, you agree that Jesus did not resurrect on Sunday. That's fine, though it would have been better with a Yes or No answer. But it's okay. So the argument has once again changed from "Jesus Sunday resurrection" claimed to "showing how the disciples kept Sunday service". It's okay. But of course, we will, together, prove it one more time, whether Paul was keeping Sunday service with the brethren. Bishopkingsley: The whole point, actually the tradition of Sunday service or worship, is mostly taken from the bold statement above, which is generally believed that the phrase "break bread" means the disciples were keeping service and eating holy communion on Sunday. As for "preaching" there, except you want to tell me that people who go for what is called "house fellowship" are also keeping Sunday service. Is that so? Now, let's look at what it means to "break bread". In fact, do a simple google search on it. You'll see that it's neither a religious coinage nor anything sacred. The phrase simply mean to share a meal with a friend or family. As a very good example, attached at the end is a report from Reuters, using the phrase "break bread" to show how former US president, Donald Trump was going for a breakfast with Apple's Chief Executive. Can we say that Trump was going for a holy communion or it was a religious gathering on Sunday? So what happened in Acts 20:7 is very simple: 1. The disciples were not meeting on Sundays for any supposed Sunday service, 2. Paul met the disciples on the first day of the week, on a Sunday, because he was supposed to travel the next day. And he was preaching and admonishing the people till it gets deep into midnight, the next day. And because they have spent long hours, people were hungry obviously, so food was brought in and they ate together. In essence, what Paul had with the disciples in Acts 20:7 is likened to a "house fellowship" or a meeting of friends, like what Trump did, where they get to discussed issues of interest, not Sunday service; a religious obligation. By the way, did you not previously said that the commandment was thrown opened for everyone to do as they wished, worshipping whenever they want? Why Sunday now, a specific day? You keep changing like the wind. But let he who has ear hear. 1 Share
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Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Bishopkingsley(m): 2:25pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Splinz: Romans 14:5 — New Living Translation (NLT) 5 In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable. That explains everything no day is special Let me add more Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. He did not say don't forsake Sabbath days Matthew 18:20 ESV / 22 helpful For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.” |
Re: ⚫⚫ Study JESUS 10 Commandments and what Bible says about sabbath by Splinz(m): 4:05pm On Jun 28, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: All I see in you is a man desperately grasping at straws, as each fantasy is debunked one after the other. I understand your dilemma, honestly I do. I mean supposing you're a bishop truly, who's accustomed to Sunday service man-made tradition, the sheep in your care knowing fully well too, how will you start telling them that look, the Sabbath law must be kept on the seventh-day, Saturday, as kept and instructed by God? The reputational damages and lost such as membership, friends & family, finances etc, can only be imagined. But like Peter and John: But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye (Acts 4:19) One wonders why the whole world (deceives by Satan anyway, Rev. 12:9) somehow agrees with nine of God's commandments but vehemently and constantly kicked and rubbish one, the 4th and Sabbath law. What is it about this law that Satan hates so much? What's so special about it? Could it be that it indicts the world of wrongdoing? I wished you had an idea. |
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