ZorGBUooeh:


Oga u have nothing to say go and wear ur northern borrowed trampoline called agbada.

Can you prove that it is borrowed?


I'll keep smiling at your tears

makemoneywbsite:
Olauda Ekwuanu, the first black man to publish a book was Igbo. He said that the quality of fabrics made by ancient Igbo was of higher quality than anything he saw in England.

On the bolded, I guess you meant the first African man to publish a book.

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BlowYourMind:
Nice one but only a bastard will claim another person's land as a fugitive, I am a Yoruba and will never be Igbo nor have anything to do with them, I will never retrogress by going to their land, I will choose any other tribe over my tribe, because I am not a bastard or an impersonator, I will never lie or speak derogatory words and untrue words again the tribe I claimed is mine. Only a fool pretend to bash another and I will never be a fool.

https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/13771966_137710356ae7d128afec4cbfad364bbf0dd57e86jpegjpege4fc72e6da6ded4c8d2ed715483e8890_jpege582bd262b01deb0b9087dbe14b193a9

The above is foolishly minted from the stream of thought only known to a confused entity.

thebosstrevor1:
Most of what is written here are pure propaganda and lies, an attempt to change and distort history.

There is nothing wrong being proud of your identity but an attempt to change history is wrong.

The igbo clothing you made mentioned of, it was not indigenous to igbo people, almost every tribe made a similar clothing style like the one you posted.

Fyi, this has nothing to do with igbo hating.

Only a dumbass dingbat thinks historical facts are sourced from one route.

Idiko1:


The above is foolishly minted from the stream of thought only known to a confused entity.

Tell that to fahdiga1

Hypocrite

theFilmtric:

I already trashed it


"India" is not an ethnic group
It has thousands of tribes


Which one was naked and built those spectacular buildings?

Shiver99 liar99

Bros go and rest na abi ain't u tired of bin knocked out?

How many proof do u want before ur eyes clear

.

Shiver99:


I didn't diss anyone, nor did I state anywhere that Igbos invented clothes?

I think you are stressing yourself for nothing.

Allow the stiff to a painful browsing.

Gbagura:
He was saying the yorubas gave we igbos the leeway to how things are being done in the civilized world. He was also affirming that we igbos should remember that yorubas had scored many firsts ahead of us including the first TV station in Africa, the first church, first primary and secondary school, first University, first newspaper, first radio station, first hospital etc while our forebears were still living on trees. How I wish to be a Yoruba man right now. We igbos should always be thankful to the yorubas for accepting us in their land to see road clearly.

The bolded is not true. Even the so-called TV station was a matter of days difference while the Igbo enjoyed print news on paper months before Yoruba.

theFilmtric:



You kidding?
Igbo-Ukwu can drag with esie stone works but never ife

Ife is way up there




Nah....


I think you kidding

Ife is a modern day creation of Yoruba colorful storytellers. Oyo-ile was the undisputable first settlement of Yoruba after they have arrived from Upper Volta region.

ZorGBUooeh:


Bros go and rest na abi ain't u tired of bin knocked out?

How many proof do u want before ur eyes clear

and you think the Igbo nations isn’t a conglomerate of different sub-ethnic groups... quit playing boy.. we are busy here

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Captain8:
now i understand why they keep deleting your posts.....how can one allow threads lies...?
igbos that Ijaws were selling as slaves to europeans... Guy stop lying

First, there was nothing such as Ijaw. In addition, the chief slave dealers were Igbo too.

Idiko1:


The bolded is not true. Even the so-called TV station was a matter of days difference while the Igbo enjoyed print news on paper months before Yoruba.

Abeokuta's iwe irohin is the first in Africa

Stop decieving yourselves

theFilmtric:

I have told you to stop lying several times
But the spirit of lying is just too much


I pity your children

Any historical fact about Yoruba which did not start from Oyo-ile, 30 to 40 miles north of Ilorin, is a bold fake.

Idiko1:


First, there was nothing such as Ijaw. In addition, the chief slave dealers were Igbo too.

shut up..there was such as Ijaw.... Ijaw is what europeans use to called Izo'n....

we were the real business men with the europeans

ZorGBUooeh:
In those days does oni of ife wear agbada?yes or No?Ans is No...He tied wrapper even till now.

In those days does alafin of oyo wear agbada?yes or no?Ans-yes

Two things “real quick”:

(1) What precise timeline(s) do you refer to when you say: “those days”?

In other words, your “argument” here collapses if your use of the phrase “those days” refers to two different historical timelines each for your Ife’s “wrapper,” and your Oyo’s “agbada”.

(2) In fact, your “those days” for Ife’s “wrapper” and for Oyo’s “agbada” refer to two completely different historical timelines.

One of them (the Ife’s “wrapper”) is centuries earlier than the other (the Oyo’s “agbada”).

Actually, all human clothings (Yoruba or non-Yoruba forms) have evolved from the more simplistic forms in the earlier times (e.g. “wrappers”, etc.); to the more complex forms (e.g. “agbada”, etc.) in the later times.

In other words, both your so-called “wrapper” & your “agbada” examples apply in Ife (but at different times). And both also apply in Oyo (but also at different times).

Where did Yoruba's originate from?Ife.So why is it that oni of ife and yoruba's in osun the home of every Yoruba man tie wrapper.

Actually, the Yorubas in Osun state (or Ife) wear agbada as well as tie wrapper.

I’m not sure where you got the idea from that they do one and not the other. Please substantiate your claim (of dichotomy) if you wish to be taken seriously.

So I give u the simple assignment to go and find out why alafin and Yoruba's that share border with the north wore agbada and why Yoruba's in osun,ekiti and ondo tied wrapper those days.

Debunked above.

The northern Yoruba's taught the southern Yoruba's agbada wearing which they copied from there northern neighbors. From then till now they wear it.

There is no substantive historical evidence for your ridiculous borrowing theory. It is that simple.

In fact, what is more realistic and supported by evidence is that that each of these two cultures adopted/evolved theirs independent of one another.

And pls Mention The idea Yoruba civilization na? We dey wait

And please don't tell me of how u guys defeated ur weak neighbours..That's not civilization,even Rome was conquered by there barbaric Germanic neighbour

I guess the Igbos couldn’t defeat their own “weak neighbors,” but that’s by the way. Lol.

The IFE empire was the center of the Yoruba world (as well some non-Yoruba’s).

(1) From circa 500 CE, this Yoruba center (IFE) evolved rapid socio-political innovations such as the idea of a divine monarchical system of government alongside a unique system of urbanism which both became the basis of social order.

This urban structure appears to have trickled down to and become evident in its magnificent architecture even up to the early 1900s.


The German anthropologist Leo Frobenius who came to the region notes as follows:

“Leaving out of account for the moment a few particular compounds, altogether exceptional in their character, held by princelings in Nupé, it may, I think, be said that no province in the western half of Africa can show finer lines in its general architecture than Yoruba.”

(2) Archaeological excavation quests in Ife (and other Yoruba areas) have come to corroborate the Yoruba accounts which talks about street tiling or paving.

In fact, archaeology have come to date street tiling — one of the many features of Yoruba civilization — to at least as early as circa 900 CE.

The excavations conducted by F. Willett at Iya-Yemoo [as well as in some other parts of Ife] dates the Ita-Yemoo pavement to circa 960CE.

(3) Sometimes between circa 1000 CE and 1400 CE, Ile-Ife was the military power, the economic hub, and holiest center of much of the souther Guinea forest region.

Its military-cum-economic strength is based mainly on its technology of producing glass and glass beads [as well as iron and textile].

In fact, Ile-Ife was at that time the only place in the whole of sub-Saharan Africa known as an industrial centre for primary glass production.

(4) During roughly the same period, Ife produced the most unquestionably exotic sub-Saharan classical art.

These artworks were fashioned using different media viz. stone, iron, quartz, terracotta, and “bronze” among others.

Some professional remarks on the Ife artworks are as follows:

(A) “[They] would stand comparison with anything which Ancient Egypt, Classical Greece and Rome, or Renaissance Europe had to offer".

~ Frank Willett, “Ife and Its Archaeology,” The Journal of African History, Vol. 1, No. 2 (1960), p. 239.

(B) “How, in a comparatively obscure corner of this vast and backward continent, could an art and a technique have flowered that take their stand beside the best ever evolved by the elaborate civilizations of Europe and Asia?"

~ W.R. Bascom, “The Illustrated London News,” (8 April 1939), p. 592.

(C) “These meagre relics were eloquent of a symmetry, a vitality, a delicacy of form directly reminiscent of ancient Greece and a proof that, once upon a time, a race, far superior in strain to the negro, had been settled here. Here was an indication of something unquestionably exotic and the existence of an extremely ancient civilization.”

~ L. Frobenius, “The Voice of Africa,” 1913, pp.88-89.

Cheers!

Cc: theFilmtric

Tao11
I don't know what to say

You are superb abeg

And my name is thefilmtric without a "k"

theFilmtric:
Tao11
I don't know what to say

You are superb abeg

And my name is thefilmtric without a "k"

You’re welcome.

And thanks for the correction.

TAO11:
You’re welcome.

And thanks for the correction.

Keep up the good work

Welcome

ZorGBUooeh:
••• Even binis that were more civilized than them were semi clad and they don't brag.

(1) Binis more civilized than the Yorubas abi what did I just read? Lol.

You finally gave yourself away as a stark ignoramus. I sympathize with you.

Anyways, I’d indulge you that you should help your own empty claim by naming one thing in which Bini was “mOrE CiViLiZeD” than Yorubas (or even remotely close to the Yorubas in civilization).

For each aspect of “civilization” you name (and prove) supposedly in favour of Binis over Yorubas, I would reply you with education — free of charge.

(2) Listen, there is a huge and massive difference between the following two things:

(A) A group of people among whom some chose to sometimes go about unclad despite living in a society which has come to the discovery of clothing, or widespread use of clothing.

(B) A group of people who have not yet evolved to the point of wearing clothes at all, or wearing it on a normal widespread scale.

The first instance here relates to the ancient Indian & ancient Egyptian examples you all cited.

The second instance here relates to the classical Igbo & classical Benin examples — at a period of time when their Yoruba counterparts have long evolved to the point of having come up with textile and clothing.


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In fact, one of the images attached by one of your own earlier on this thread shows a clothed person amidst the unclothed ladies. [See attached]

In sum, the knowledge of clothing is a classical index of civilization no matter how uncomfortable your unclothed history makes you feel. Get a grip.

Cc: theFilmtric

Captain8:
shut up..there was such as Ijaw.... Ijaw is what europeans use to called Izo'n....

we were the real business men with the europeans

Which Ijaw? Jos or Uzo. Europeans never recorded anything beautiful about your savage ancestors. Their sub-human nature made them unfit to be used as slaves in American plantation. Only a reasonable handful with mix Igbo/Izon blood around the Brass areas where captured by the Nembe royalty to be shipped to the new world.

Bonny, Nembe, Kalabari etc were founded by Igbos before Portuguese porters from Togo came to populate the swamps. While the Oru/Olu and later Aboh had the River Niger down to Bayelsa under their control, the Ndoki, Abam and Aro's were incharge of activities in Bonny and Kalabari (New Calabar). All the Kings with Igbo heritage like the Amachree (Amakiri), Pepple, (From Pepper), ran the trade first with the Abam businessmen before slaves became the mainstay that brought the Aro into the picture.

If you can bring up any colonial research were Izons were appraised in high-esteem I'll give up my claims?

Idiko1:


The bolded is not true. Even the so-called TV station was a matter of days difference while the Igbo enjoyed print news on paper months before Yoruba.

Ìwé ìròyìn àwọn ọmọ Yorùbá was The first newspaper in Nigeria. Prove me wrong then. The newspaper started in abẹ́òkúta.

Captain8:
shut up..there was such as Ijaw.... Ijaw is what europeans use to called Izo'n....

we were the real business men with the europeans

An attempt to be clever makes you look very idiotic. There is no word such as the bolded therefore Ijaw never existed as you would want us to believe. What a dunce.

Gbagura:
Ìwé ìròyìn àwọn ọmọ Yorùbá was The first newspaper in Nigeria. Prove me wrong then. The newspaper started in abẹ́òkúta.

Is there any need to prove wrong to be bad? The first so-called newspaper in western region of Nigeria did not start in Abeokuta. I guess the so-called TV station also took seat in Abeokuta.

Idiko1:


Is there any need to prove wrong to be bad? The first so-called newspaper in western region of Nigeria did not start in Abeokuta. I guess the so-called TV station also took seat in Abeokuta.

Must your blab senselessly? Bring your facts to counter this or keep shut.


You wouldn't have disgraced your family if you'd done simple Google search. See your life outside.

Idiko1:


Is there any need to prove wrong to be bad? The first so-called newspaper in western region of Nigeria did not start in Abeokuta. I guess the so-called TV station also took seat in Abeokuta.

Iwe Irohin was the first newspapers but built by the missionaries to evangelize the Egba people. But you must be clever not to allow that dude divert from the main point, which is ancient civilization.

Igbos can list their ancient innovations as this thread assumes, the Yoruba univited guest should open their own thread and list their ancient civilization rather than act petty.

I don't know when first this and first that of modern times became ancient civilization.

Fahdiga1:
Bro history says otherwise. The Igbos were civilized before us. My great grandfather who was an Oba in Ilesha back then said this and in our Yoruba culture an Oba doesn't lie

But the yorubas saw civilization before we igbos or how do you explain first uni, first primary and secondary schools, first hospital, first bridge to be built by an indigenous engineer, first TV station, first newspaper, first church, first Nobel laureate etc by the great Yoruba nation?

We igbos are 3rd class citizens and we should be proud of it. Our flat skulls was as a result of too much envy for the yorubas. We should swallow our pride and learn how yorubas were able to adopt religion tolerance amongst themselves.

Must we igbos always strive to compete with yorubas and show our inferiority complex? All our best brains have migrates to Yoruba land as a result of dryness in our region. I'm ashamed of myself as an igbo man.

TAO11:
Two things “real quick”:

(1) What precise timeline(s) do you refer to when you say: “those days”?

In other words, your “argument” here collapses if your use of the phrase “those days” refers to two different historical timelines each for your Ife’s “wrapper,” and your Oyo’s “agbada”.

(2) In fact, your “those days” for Ife’s “wrapper” and for Oyo’s “agbada” refer to two completely different historical timelines.

One of them (the Ife’s “wrapper”) is centuries earlier than the other (the Oyo’s “agbada”).

Actually, all human clothings (Yoruba or non-Yoruba forms) have evolved from the more simplistic forms in the earlier times (e.g. “wrappers”, etc.); to the more complex forms (e.g. “agbada”, etc.) in the later times.

In other words, both your so-called “wrapper” & your “agbada” examples apply in Ife (but at different times). And both also apply in Oyo (but also at different times).

Actually, the Yorubas in Osun state (or Ife) wear agbada as well as tie wrapper.

I’m not sure where you got the idea from that they do one and not the other. Please substantiate your claim (of dichotomy) if you wish to be taken seriously.

Debunked above.

There is no substantive historical evidence for your ridiculous borrowing theory. It is that simple.

In fact, what is more realistic and supported by evidence is that that each of these two cultures adopted/evolved theirs independent of one another.

I guess the Igbos couldn’t defeat their own “weak neighbors,” but that’s by the way. Lol.

The IFE empire was the center of the Yoruba world (as well some non-Yoruba’s).

(1) From circa 500 CE, this Yoruba center (IFE) evolved rapid socio-political innovations such as the idea of a divine monarchical system of government alongside a unique system of urbanism which both became the basis of social order.

This urban structure appears to have trickled down to and become evident in its magnificent rchitecture even up to the early 1900s.


The German anthropologist Leo Frobenius who came to the region notes as follows:

“Leaving out of account for the moment a few particular compounds, altogether exceptional in their character, held by princelings in Nupé, it may, I think, be said that no province in the western half of Africa can show finer lines in its general architecture than Yoruba.”

(2) Archaeological excavation quests in Ife (and other Yoruba areas) have come to corroborate the Yoruba accounts which talks about street tiling or paving.

In fact, archaeology have come to date street tiling — one of the many features of Yoruba civilization — to at least as early as circa 900 CE.

The excavations conducted by F. Willett at Iya-Yemoo [as well as in some other parts of Ife] dates the Ita-Yemoo pavement to circa 960CE.

(3) Sometimes between circa 1000 CE and 1400 CE, Ile-Ife was the military power, the economic hub, and holiest center of much of the souther Guinea forest region.

Its military-cum-economic strength is based mainly on its technology of producing glass and glass beads [as well as iron and textile].

In fact, Ile-Ife was at that time the only place in the whole of sub-Saharan Africa known as an industrial centre for primary glass production.

(4) During roughly the same period, Ife produced the most unquestionably exotic sub-Saharan classical art.

These artworks were fashioned using different media viz. stone, iron, quartz, terracotta, and “bronze” among others.

Some professional remarks on the Ife artworks are as follows:

(A) “[They] would stand comparison with anything which Ancient Egypt, Classical Greece and Rome, or Renaissance Europe had to offer".

~ Frank Willett, “Ife and Its Archaeology,” The Journal of African History, Vol. 1, No. 2 (1960), p. 239.

(B) “How, in a comparatively obscure corner of this vast and backward continent, could an art and a technique have flowered that take their stand beside the best ever evolved by the elaborate civilizations of Europe and Asia?"

~ W.R. Bascom, “The Illustrated London News,” (8 April 1939), p. 592.

(C) “These meagre relics were eloquent of a symmetry, a vitality, a delicacy of form directly reminiscent of ancient Greece and a proof that, once upon a time, a race, far superior in strain to the negro, had been settled here. Here was an indication of something unquestionably exotic and the existence of an extremely ancient civilization.”

~ L. Frobenius, “The Voice of Africa,” 1913, pp.88-89.

Cheers!

Cc: theFilmtric

U are chest banging with art

Art wey almost every Nigerian culture get A1

Every southern culture had and was producing every thing u mentioned up there.



Alafin Oyo wore agbada while Oni of ife tied wrapper at the same era not different eras even till now they do.
Agbada is alien to yorubas.Bini kings wore wrapper and bids same as every southern king.Before coming in contact with northerners alafin and Yoruba's in Oyo wore wrapper till he came in contact with Hausa's,Fulani's,Berbers,Nupes whom introduced him to agbada,horses and some other stuff.As alafin defeated and traded with other interior yoruba's down south he influenced them and they copied there way of life.
Why do u think the oni moves around with wrapper tied around his shoulder?For fashion or what.While alafin wear agbada and they are both Yoruba kings.
The one that claim to be the ancestor of all Yorubas tie wrapper while the one that migrated north wear agbada.
Some Yoruba's borrowed there culture from the tribe they mingled with.

Mind u the point of all this argument is not about Yoruba's but its about unclad or semi unclad tribes running great civilization.

Idiko1:


The bolded is not true. Even the so-called TV station was a matter of days difference while the Igbo enjoyed print news on paper months before Yoruba.

When did IBO start having print news paper?