haddeylium:


Let me give you practical example of 'Knowledge' seeking today even when the gift is no more.

The word “tongues” in the New Testament is a translation of the Greek word “glossa”, and it means “language”.
'Tongues' is Shakespearian old English while 'Language' is a modern English.
Believe me, it's not the same as what is practice today.
In the Bible times, the person spoke in his native language, but the hearers heard in their native language. People with that gift then 'can speak in others native languages', it wasn't a mixture of incoherent words.
It was only a valid gift until completion of the Word of God, then it ceased (1 Corinthians 13:.
Has the gift of speaking in languages ceased?...YES!

thorpido:
When Jesus said not every one that said unto me,Lord Lord shall enter into the Kingdom of God ,do you understand that English?
It means some will say and they will enter and others will say and will not enter!
If He said many will say we have prophesied in His name and have cast out devils and done wonderful works,it means some will say and ENTER!
You need to read the Bible right(most importantly the English construct)

thorpido:
It ceased only with Jehovah's witnesses (or was never even there).

MaxInDHouse:


I'm just curious about something!

Jesus also said:

"Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it.For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will perform great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. Look! I have forewarned you" Matthew 24:23-25

If the GIFTS are anything to go by then it means we can compare it to legal tender in the hands of citizens around us.
The chosen in the bolded color red are supposed to be part of the minting and printing department issuing the legal tender.
So i wonder how fake currencies could be used to deceive someone who is working with the central bank where the money is issued out while he is having the original with him!

Logically the only reason why such could be possible is when the chosen don't have the original with him anymore. I believe that's the only way fake could be used to deceive such a person. No wonder Jesus concluded by saying:

Look! I have forewarned you!

thorpido:
Again,you need to understand the construct of that language.
He said, 'so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones.
It speaks of the seriousness of the issue not necessarily that the chosen will be deceived.
Remember the Scripture that says he that letteth will let until he be taken out of the way.2 Thessalonians 2:7
It is very unlikely that someone working in CBN will be deceived by fake currency but not impossible.It was a warning.

MaxInDHouse:


There's no need to warn your child not to accept fake things when you've loaded his bag with the original!

thorpido:
In today's world?Stop deceiving yourself.We are at the end of the age.Jesus made that statement knowing what the end will be.

haddeylium:
People in general connect the word “prophet” with predictions of the future. Though prophets in the Bible usually proclaimed predictions about the future, the Scriptural definition of a prophet is wider:
In Bible times, prophet is a person who receives specific messages . they do not do that under their own initiative.

Today the organisation of Jehovah’s Witnesses act like a prophet in that we proclaim an old message, one that was written down in the pages of the Bible. We spread nothing new.

We have never made any false predictions.What we have been guilty of is misunderstanding some of the prophecies that relate to the “end times”.
Afterall, we never claimed that our researches are infallible. Contrary to many religions, we are prepared to change if we find out we were incorrect.

You can visit Jw.org for more information.
Use the keyword; Bible prophesy

My Post is for those who have deep interest in Bible and what it really teaches and It is not meant to challenge or dispute any personal belief and nor will I debate such. if your comments/questions are civil, I'll reply them'.


Have a great day

paulGrundy:


"So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?

IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET"
These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?
... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses.
... Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. Thus this group of anointed followers of Jesus Christ, doing a work in Christendom paralleling Ezekiel's work among the Jews, were manifestly the modern-day Ezekiel, the "prophet" commissioned by Jehovah to declare the good news of God's Messianic kingdom and to give warning to Christendom."

Watchtower 1972 Apr 1 pp.197-199 'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them'



only a foolish man will close his eyes to daylight and say there is no sun

eomajeh:




No, I will not call weather forecasters prophets because:
(i) they do not say the forecasts are "God's forecast, not theirs"
(ii) they do not claim that they are God's only channel of communication and that their forecasts are God's provided meat in due season for mankind
(iii) they do not represent people who do not accept their forecast as spiritually weak and lacking in faith

If weather forecasters do the above-listed, then they are very well representing themselves as prophets

paulGrundy:


"So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?

IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET"
These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?
... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses.
... Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. Thus this group of anointed followers of Jesus Christ, doing a work in Christendom paralleling Ezekiel's work among the Jews, were manifestly the modern-day Ezekiel, the "prophet" commissioned by Jehovah to declare the good news of God's Messianic kingdom and to give warning to Christendom."

Watchtower 1972 Apr 1 pp.197-199 'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them'



only a foolish man will close his eyes to daylight and say there is no sun

If you read the first and second OP post slowly we won't be having this conversation.

If you check the article, you can notice that we are compared with “prophets” (in inverted commas, mind you) metaphorically, because we publicly proclaim God’s message. Only that that message is the one in the Bible, not a personal divine revelation.

Do you understand now?
Have a great day

Emusan:
This thread really shows that JWs and lies are 5 & 6, and it's only a body whose founder has relationship with the Father of lies himself can give birth to people defending lies like this

thorpido:
It ceased only with Jehovah's witnesses (or was never even there).

paulGrundy:

only a foolish man will close his eyes to daylight and say there is no sun

haddeylium:




Another day answering basically the same question!

I've answered this misconception already. You should that these articles are for JWs. Truly, I don't expect you to have the same understanding as we do with your knowledge.
As simple as it is, We Jehovah's Witnesses are not PROPHET!.
We believe the gift of prophesy ends with apostles.




Thank you

paulGrundy:


But your watchtower is saying that Jehovah's witnesses is a prophet and the issue I quoted emphatically stated that one of the duties of the prophet is to declare things to come. Whom should I believe? You or the watchtower?

Now re-read with emphasis on the highlighted.

haddeylium:




Another day answering basically the same question!

I've answered this misconception already. You should that these articles are for JWs. Truly, I don't expect you to have the same understanding as we do with your knowledge.
As simple as it is, We Jehovah's Witnesses are not PROPHET!.
We believe the gift of prophesy ends with apostles.




Thank you

paulGrundy:


But your watchtower is saying that Jehovah's witnesses is a prophet and the issue I quoted emphatically stated that one of the duties of the prophet is to declare things to come. Whom should I believe? You or the watchtower?

Now re-read with emphasis on the highlighted.

achorladey:


The problem here is they are finding it difficult to acknowledge the CONTRADICTION at play. The same magazine that says they are not prophets equally states they are prophets.

It is easy for them to accuse others of teachings that are contradictory but when it is their case you see them suppressing evidence (e.g scare quotes ) to save face.

haddeylium:


Yes! It ends in the era apostles after it had accomplished it purpose.
Jesus provided the key for identifying true Christians when he declared:
“Every good tree produces fine fruit.” (Matt. 7:17)
What fruits would true Christains produce to show they're producing the fine fruits?
Consider one;
"By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves,” said Jesus. (John 13:35)
True Christians have genuine love for one another.
They are not divided by racial, national or social prejudices. Even in times of war, they refuse to slaughter fellow believers in other lands.
Can you same the same with general or people that claims to have that gift today?
You might want to visit JW.org with your copy of the bible

thorpido:
Ephesians 4:11-12 says,'and he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
The Bible says He gave these gifts to the body of Christ.... that the Church may be built up NIV
You did see that in your Bible?Only love ?
Cc: MaxinDHouse

paulGrundy:

The person am chatting with is still in kindergarten school in their watchtower society of indoctrination

haddeylium:
Remember I said I'm not here to debate your personal opinion and view. You're entitled to it.

If you want to know Jehovah's witnesses view on this. You should ask questions in a civilised way. Else, I'll pass

Emusan:

Typical JWs! I'm not surprised at all.
Of course I know, but you should have open that your opinion in your hall because here we tell it to your face all your lies.
You can show the part that is not civilized in my questions.
I'm still waiting for the answers to my questions anyway.

MaxInDHouse:


Apostle Paul is referring to the GIFTS we should expect in individuals that makes up the congragation so that orderliness and peace will take place among us.

Of course these GIFTS in men we have today among us, the only difference is they're not handling their assignments in supernatural ways so we appreciate each one of them in our midst and that's why we don't doubt that God is with us!

MaxInDHouse:
Just like me too! Matthew 11:25

thorpido:

So you agree there are apostles,prophets,evangelists,pastors and teachers even till this day?

MaxInDHouse:
The last time you LIED against me and promised to bring the evidence but i can sense that's why you've been running away from my posts now ever since then because you're ashamed of yourself!

paulGrundy:

You, all these ones you are doing will not stop me from exposing falsehoods in watchtower literature.