This submission from Hymar Idibie David encapsulates my thoughts.

I don't know why you people believe this dismissal letter has to do with tithes and offerings.

Nothing in this letter points to it.

Nothing.

You people shouldn't let your anti-Christianity agenda consume you too much abeg.

As someone who was an assistant cell leader in Christ Embassy, I know exactly what this letter is talking about. I have seen it happen.

People assume pastors are just ordained and sent to parishes to preach, pray, remit tithes and offerings, collect salary and go home.

That's not how it works.

When a pastor is sent somewhere, he's expected to "bear fruit". Which means to grow the place he's in. He's expected to show impact. To show workings. How many souls is he bringing in? Is the church growing? Is he raising men ?

In my zone of Christ Embassy at Ketu, we had Pastor Ehis. The man was always telling us cell leaders that he didn't come to preach to empty seats. On Sundays we would be on the streets in twos and threes, talking to people, trying to bring them to church. We would miss half the service and at the end of the day, we would have our own service after the service. Some days we got home at 6 on a Sunday.

And we were not even Pastors o.

And we were not going to big houses or stopping people who looked fine and looked like they had money. We were stopping this mama, this baba, these guys loitering around the streets.

How much all of them combined fit drop as tithe? Lmao. Something wey na we go still feed dem and give dem souvenirs to ginger dem to come again to listen to the gospel.

If you read that letter and think na because of tithe dem sack am, forget, you no ....

In Deeper Life where I was born into, we had this evangelism programme called Operation Andrew. This was coined off a bible story where Andrew went looking for his brother Simon and brought him to Jesus.

We would go in groups, stopping random people, talking to them about the Jesus, inviting them to church.

See, any pastor who joins a church and for four years( that's what I read the sacked pastor spent) couldn't show evidence of stewardship is not a serious pastor.

You are a pastor of a church where your boss, Bishop Oyedepo, started the church from one room and grew it into a 50 thousand capacity tabernacle, and you think it is normal for you to be running an average, "nothing dey happen" and "we just dey" parish?

You are not a serious person.

And the funny thing is the pastor's reaction after being laid off confirms my suspicion that he's not fit for a leadership role. He lacks the grace and intelligence needed to handle the demands of the position. Even if he feels unfairly laid off, what exactly would coming to social media to rant do? When they are not owing him salaries.

And for those who keep calling the church a business thinking they are saying something, calm down, you never say anything, Jesus himself said when asked "Do you not know I must be about my father's BUSINESS."

Yes, the Church is a business. God's business. A business of numbers. Jesus drew crowds. He grew his own ministry numbers and he was impatient and ruthless with unproductivity, especially when it concerns the Church. The first thing he said to some disciples when he called them was "Follow me and I will make you fishers of men."

The pastor is lucky no be Jesus, the Big Boss of the Church write am the sack letter. Jesus wey anoint him men dem to dey cast out demons and when they couldn't heal a lunatic boy, he rebuked them in very strong terms. On top faith o.

Or is it the same Jesus that because some disciples were struggling with understanding the prophecies in the scriptures, he gave them verbal kobokos "You foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!"

Because dem no know bible well o. What will he now tell them when it comes to the main koko of his ministry?

The Lord Jesus himself said in Mathew 7:9, "every tree that doesn't bear fruit is cut down and cast into the lake of fire."

Winners did well to cut off unproductivity and if you have a problem with that, goan enter Heaven report them to Jesus. E no dey Facebook.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4384095461629254&id=100000865297273

So, if I understand very well, pastors are tasked with bringing people to the church by all means, even if it means invading their privacy and compelling them to come to your church?

Is this not the idea of more members, more revenue?

It's now glaring that today's churches are business enterprises; churches, since time immemorial, have always been so.

Nothing dey shock me again.

Mustiboy:
Ftc

Nope, you aren't.

This guy above sef

Righteousness2:
The only Abnormal thing in the whole thing is the Pastor who came out on social media to report.

Pastors are regularly taken out and replaced from stations. It's worrisome that a Pastor comes out on social media to complain.
A Pastor who knows and understands his call, will not do this.
A Pastor who knows and Understands his position will invest himself more in the work of GOD and take his matter to GOD.

The Pastor probably wants to hire an online barrister if the law who won't charge him much...

Moreso, they need people who are online's sympathy. They will share half baked story and leave you to finish the rest from your end.


We go dey alright last last.

What does bearing of fruits mean?

Is it winning souls for Christ or getting converts for your church?

Ishilove:

Nope, you aren't.

And e pain me sha. This is front-page-destined content.

It's God's work, ordained ministers should not be sacked.....

There are several ways of impacting the youths and community, touching loves has nothing to do with full seats....


So if I don't come to your church, I can't be saved?

I can't be clothed fed helped??

Will the pastor's good works be lost or stopped once he is sacked?

Righteousness2:
The only Abnormal thing in the whole thing is the Pastor who came out on social media to report.

Pastors are regularly taken out and replaced from stations. It's worrisome that a Pastor comes out on social media to complain.
A Pastor who knows and understands his call, will not do this.
A. Pastor who knows and Understands his position will invest himself more in the work of GOD and take his matter to GOD.

Did you not read the part were he was fired and told to return all properties of the church?

How do you want him to invest more in God's work again?

Make I go bash those rumor-mongering atheist wey go dey peddle unnecessary lies just to make trouble in Christianity

See even before you talk we know that it is people who always want to find fault with the church that added tithe to it. First what do you call "growth index"? Why is it that no body is asking if that pastor was given a warning letter and how many times was he warned? I know that most redeem and winners pastors are into their personal business so as to sustain themselves, why is this one not into any kind of business and if he is a full time pastor, was he not informed of what is expected of him before taking the position? Why will he bring the matter to social media without telling us the whole context around the sack? You just brought it to social media so as to paint oyedepo and his church black but you refused to tell us what you have not done as if you are the only pastor in his church. Even if you like paint the church black, the gate of hell cannot prevail against the church

So doing God's work has to be with the church properties right?

malcom1X:



Did you not read the part were he was fired and told to return all properties of the church?

How do you want him to invest more in God's work again?

Mustiboy:
So, if I understand very well, pastors are tasked with bringing people to the church by all means, even if it means invading their privacy and compelling them to come to your church?

Is this not the idea of more members, more revenue?

It's now glaring that today's churches are business enterprises; churches, since time immemorial, have always been so.

Nothing dey shock me again.

Bro go back to the old churches, Anglican, Catholic, Presbyterian, Lutheran. Methodist, Nigerian Baptist convention, ECWA

Not all these new generation churches.

There is a Yoruba saying, "if lies is what will make sleep well at night, tell lies as long as it makes you sleep well."

Church growth kor Tithe growth ni.

Church is a business own this fact, nobody is saying you should stop worshiping a white Jesus.

If there is no tithe or offering, church crashes, same way if there is no customer supermarket closes up.

What is church growth; more customers(followers), more tithes (revenue).

Sayfini.
Awon nanamu .

malcom1X:


Bro go back to the old churches, Anglican, Catholic, Presbyterian, Lutheran. Methodist, Nigerian Baptist convention, ECWA

Not all these new generation churches.

I'm not a religious person. Nothing concern me with any church.

after4:
See even before you talk we know that it is people who always want to find fault with the church that added tithe to it. First what do you call "growth index"? Why is it that no body is asking if that pastor was given a warning letter and how many times was he warned? I know that most redeem and winners pastors are into their personal business so as to sustain themselves, why is this one not into any kind of business and if he is a full time pastor, was he not informed of what is expected of him before taking the position? Why will he bring the matter to social media without telling us the whole context around the sack? You just brought it to social media so as to paint oyedepo and his church black but you refused to tell us what you have not done as if you are the only pastor in his church. Even if you like paint the church black, the gate of hell cannot prevail against the church

Winners chapel is not a church, it is a registered business under the Coperate Affairs Commission.


Kiss the truth.

Mustiboy:



I'm not a religious person. Nothing concern me with any church.

90% of most "Non-religious" person's were once Christians


Why?

Nonsense and useless truth from lie mohammed

malcom1X:



Winners chapel is not a church, it is a registered business under the Coperate Affairs Commission.


Kiss the truth.

malcom1X:



Winners chapel is not a church, it is a registered business under the Coperate Affairs Commission.


Kiss the truth.

Church is a business, whether winner chapel or winners or redeem.

They are all business, whose sole aim is to maximize input of profits(tithes & offerings).

adebayo201:


The Pastor probably wants to hire an online barrister if the law who won't charge him much...

Moreso, they need people who are online's sympathy. They will share half baked story and leave you to finish the rest from your end.


We go dey alright last last.

When I first read the news, I was wary because sensationalism is now the order of the day

Ishilove:
This submission from Hymar Idibie David encapsulates my thoughts.
don't know why you people believe this dismissal letter has to do with tithes and offerings.

Nothing in this letter points to it.

Nothing.

You people shouldn't let your anti-Christianity agenda consume you too much abeg.

As someone who was an assistant cell leader in Christ Embassy, I know exactly what this letter is talking about. I have seen it happen.

People assume pastors are just ordained and sent to parishes to preach, pray, remit tithes and offerings, collect salary and go home.

That's not how it works.

When a pastor is sent somewhere, he's expected to "bear fruit". Which means to grow the place he's in. He's expected to show impact. To show workings. How many souls is he bringing in? Is the church growing? Is he raising men ?

In my zone of Christ Embassy at Ketu, we had Pastor Ehis. The man was always telling us cell leaders that he didn't come to preach to empty seats. On Sundays we would be on the streets in twos and threes, talking to people, trying to bring them to church. We would miss half the service and at the end of the day, we would have our own service after the service. Some days we got home at 6 on a Sunday.

And we were not even Pastors o.

And we were not going to big houses or stopping people who looked fine and looked like they had money. We were stopping this mama, this baba, these guys loitering around the streets.

How much all of them combined fit drop as tithe? Lmao. Something wey na we go still feed dem and give dem souvenirs to ginger dem to come again to listen to the gospel.

If you read that letter and think na because of tithe dem sack am, forget, you no get sense.

In Deeper Life where I was born into, we had this evangelism programme called Operation Andrew. This was coined off a bible story where Andrew went looking for his brother Simon and brought him to Jesus.

We would go in groups, stopping random people, talking to them about the Jesus, inviting them to church. . . .

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4384095461629254&id=100000865297273

i love this Deeperlife/christ Embassy broda.

malcom1X:
What does bearing of fruits mean?

Is it winning souls for Christ or getting converts for your church?

Bear fruits means, attract more customers which indirectly means increase in revenue(tithe).

Nobody is winning soul for any white jesus,.

The fruit John was talking about in Matthew is Repentance.

Matthew 3:8-12 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Jesus will not cast a Christian out because he had bad works no, only that his works will be burnt up but he will be saved.

1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


The fruit that will make a man to be cast out is the fruit of unrepentance from unbelief such as the pharisees and the jewish religious leaders have.

malcom1X:


90% of most "Non-religious" person's were once Christians


Why?

I was never a Christian. Was born into a Muslim family.

malcom1X:
What does bearing of fruits mean?

Is it winning souls for Christ or getting converts for your church?

Jesus Christ never asked anyone to win souls nor did He even hint at it being possible for anyone to "win" souls. The command was that you go out and preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God to the world.

As for bearing fruits... be sure to visit the context to comprehend the message that Jesus Christ has given to you.

Mustiboy:
So, if I understand very well, pastors are tasked with bringing people to the church by all means, even if it means invading their privacy and compelling them to come to your church?

Is this not the idea of more members, more revenue?

It's now glaring that today's churches are business enterprises; churches, since time immemorial, have always been so.

Nothing dey shock me again.

Today's churches? No! The churches of men have from their very inception back over about 1700 years ago, have always been businesses and operated as such. And this is not limited to Christianity. Religious establishments have been owned and operated as businesses from their very beginnings... Avenues through which so called Religious leaders/authorities have been able to control access to God and the things of God , and the narrative.

Ishilove:

When I first read the news, I was wary because sensationalism is now the order of the day

Exactly.

Righteousness2:
The only Abnormal thing in the whole thing is the Pastor who came out on social media to Rant.

Pastors are regularly taken out and replaced from stations. It is worrisome that a Pastor comes out on social media to complain. I really can't understand the kind of things that happen in these Endtimes. I Believe someone misled the young man.

A Pastor who knows and understands his call, will not do this.
A Pastor who knows and Understands his position will invest himself more in the work of GOD and take his matter to GOD. Your calling does not end on Pulpit.

Wait a second... so a pastor working for one of the many church companies has no rights at all as an employee of these businesses?

If they are victims of unfairness, they are not even to voice this to anyone?

The dismissed branch pastor did a mistake by reporting on social media.

It represents the kind of person he is.

I understand he was hurt. But again, that shouldn't be an excuse.

There are things one has to overlook, let go and move on.