BKayy:

Nna, I want to give this saga time to germinate before interfering.
There was a time Ika people, Ikwerre, Ọgba, Ekpeye and Omuma trended that they are Bini. That they come from Bini royal lineage through one run away Prince or the other but the Oba of Bini and Bini Court made it clear to them that none of their Prince were missing but they didn't get the hint. They attacked their kins all because of the omen surrounding Ndigbo after the War.
Now, Bini and recently Mr Omokri have come out to prove that they were super power in the ancient time. To show visible proof of their subjugated/conquered people, they are now saying that they once conquered the afamed unconquerable which is the Igbo people. To give visible proof of it, they want to point out their slaves. Who did they point at? The same Self hating Igbo that said they are from Bini. That is the same Ika, Ikwerre, Omuma and Ekpeye
In as much as it is logical because the self hating igbo claimed to be under Bini but the circumstances of their position in the empire is not acceptable in the Royal Court. They claim to be offsprings of Bini Prince but now they are being told otherwise, that they are slaves not royalty.
The bad thing here is that the Bini and Itsekiri are dragging the entire Anioma into this nonsense forgetting that it is only Ika that wants to be enslaved.
Anioma was formed in 1951 so the Bini/Itsekiri should point towards Ika and leave the good people of Enuani alone

But the Anuani people also believe that they are from bini

Ariani:


Don't be stupid.

Afa has nothing to do with Ifa.
It only proves that Ndiigbo had earlier contact with Yorubas before we branched off.
We all once once had an YEAII ancestor.
So we share certain words that originated from a common ancestor we shared in the past.
It doesn't mean any of us borrowed from each other.

Other exams is stone.

Igbos call it Okwute, Yorubas call it Okuta.
Who borrowed from who?
Nobody.
Both evolved from a a known extinct common ancestral root word.

Since you dote every response with an insult, then the problem possibly has to be with your upbringing. It didn't start today.

you started off so sure of your self, saying afa has nothing to do with ifa (which shows how uninformed you are on the subject) then you backtrack and says it then implies Igbos had contact with Yorubas before they branched off.

The simple fact is that the Yoruba Ifa divination (Odu Ifa) is the source of all Ifa canon, a fact which is accepted by all who are well versed in the subject.

I am only responsible for what i say, not what you understand.

bomb24:


Oga Benin was defeated by a force of 200 men and not basically 3000 as you implied. history revision will not be tolerated on this forum.

They were rounded up in a matter of days.
They couldn't even manufacture local guns to withstand the British.
And once the Oba came out from the bush he was hiding and sent to exile, the war was over.
That's how fragile and useless their village Monarchical system of Government is.

It's a very primitive and weak system of Government that makes it easy to conquer a people.
Just strike at the head and everyone else fall in line.

Contrast this with what Happened in Enu-ani where the people fought for decades, because there was no all powerful king dictating for the people.

Or in Arochukwu where they organized and employed local blacksmiths all over Igboland who made guns for them with which they withstood the British in a full blown war for 5 months at a stretch before capitulation to the superiority of Maxim guns.

Some village fettish people think that worshipping one fat not-so-wise man and shouting "Oba gha tokpe" up and down like a people without brains to think for themselves, is what makes a people strong or civilized.

Ndi Mgbu.

Mangekyo:
At least our people are killed on a daily basis. Your people are being killed like chickens that you are ;DThe current Chief of Defence of nigeria is from Ika, and I'm very grateful since we get to see the army use your elders to practice smackdown more I love seeing itYou call yourselves a majority tribe and yet you've never come in contact with the presidential sit since the greedy ironsi sold you guys to the fulanis as slaves ;DWhether you like it or not, you will remain in Nigeria and there's nothing you can do. Nnmafi cownu will be killed very soon and then if your dad takes his place as the chief of IPOB, he'll be killed too ;DYou guys are a nuisance to the community. Yorubas see you guys are shits, same with ijaw people and Anioma people. We'll always be grateful to wike and Fulani people for always treating you guys in the language you understand. Dotted and landlocked zombies. Suck my dick bitch

This is too harsh guy, common. We are all trying to learn here. Please calm down.

YungMillionaire:


Guy I am not Bini. But I know Osadebey does not sound Igbo to me at all. It sounds 100% Bini. Are there south east Igbos bearing this name? I don't think so.

Go to YouTube.. Type Osadebe highlife.. You will be amazed

Ariani:


Well it's main deity in all Igbo dialects and used interchangeably with Chukwu, Chineke, Chiokike and Obasi.
The equivalent in Yoruba should be Olorun or Oluwa.

So obviously Orisa in Igbo is not same as that of Yoruba. Orisa is a dialectical variance of Olisa, Olise, Orise , in Igbo dialectical continuum.
They are just a coincidence.

a god might be major in your territory and not so major in another. It doesn't change the fact that orisa means god in yoruba land. It is not a penile wagging competition

Denn:


The Afa divination in Igbo is based on the Yoruba Ifa.

Wrong. Ifa divinity has nothing to do with Afa, you bigot always trying to malign and discredit Igbo civilization.


Igbos and Yorubas come from the same language family , it is not out of place that they have word cognates and similar words that sound the same.

You must be obsessed with Igbos to the point of trashing everything that belongs to them.

Denn:


Since you dote every response with an insult, then the problem possibly has to be with your upbringing. It didn't start today.

you started off so sure of your self, saying afa has nothing to do with ifa (which shows how uninformed you are on the subject) then you backtrack and says it then implies Igbos had contact with Yorubas before they branched off.

The simple fact is that the Yoruba Ifa divination (Odu Ifa) is the source of all Ifa canon, a fact which is accepted by all who are well versed in the subject.

I am only responsible for what i say, not what you understand.

You are funny.

Ndiigbo had little or no interactions with Yorubas in our ancient memory.

Don't kid yourself.

"Igba Afa" has no direct link with Ifa. It's only with knowledge of linguistics that made available the Info on the divergence of Igbo and Yoruba from the YEAII common root eons, that I tried to link Ifa with Afa, using other shared words like Okwute and Okuta, as well.

It doesn't mean Ifa is Afa.

You insult Ndiigbo when you claim we borrowed our omenani Afa from you.
It's an insult.

We can easily claim you copied Ifa from our Afa,but the average Igbo man has no interest in such ridiculous claims, we mostly mind our business while all of you be looking for our trouble with your blatant pokenosing and distortion of our history that you know nothing about.

It's outrightly insulting. You don't do such and don't expect a proud Igbo man like me not to retaliate.

bomb24:


Oga Benin was defeated by a force of 200 men and not basically 3000 as you implied. history revision will not be tolerated on this forum.

have you heard of the maxim gun?

Do you know how Lord Lugard took over Kano?

Do you know what ancient Kano was?

Do you know about the might of the British empire?

Do you know what a canon barrage can do?

Denn:


a god might be major in your territory and not so major in another. It doesn't change the fact that orisa means god in yoruba land. It is not a penile wagging competition

Nnaa.

Olisa/Orise/Orisa/Olise are not god in Igbo.
It is God!
One living being that stays up sky.


They are not same.
What is wrong with you people.

Stay your lane and let Ndiigbo tell our story ourselves.

Are you people mad or what? What type of provocation is this?

gods in Igbo is Alisi/Alusi/Arusi/Arushi/Arunshi, etc.

Depending on dialect. Bad that should be the equivalence of Orisa( which by the way Yorubas pronounce as "Orisha" and not "Orisa" ) in Yoruba.

Mind your f**king businesses.

Denn:


have you heard of the maxim gun?

Do you know how Lord Lugard took over Kano?

Do you know what ancient Kano was?

Do you know about the might of the British empire?

Do you know what a canon barrage can do?

Aros faced Maxim guns too and yet lasted for 5 months.

But your mushroom empire of fable tales and historical distortions couldn't last for more than two days when the Maxim guns were rolled in.

Come on! Bini Empire was nothing but fairy tales.
We call it "Akuko Idu na Oba" in Igbo land.
Meaning fairy tales.
It never existed.

royal231:
Go to YouTube.. Type Osadebe highlife.. You will be amazed

I already found out. It is an Igbo name. I am surprised. We learn everyday.

BKayy:

These Ika people funny sha. Whenever they want to absolve themselves of impending danger or attack fellow Western Igbo like during the war, they remember that they are Ika and semi Bini slaves but when it is time to lick Bini ynash as the slaves they are, they want to drag the term Anioma into it forgetting that it was coined in 1951 by one man. Now the Bini people have come for their slaves and they think they will drag others to their slavery.
No it doesn't happen like that.
All slaves should slave in peace and leave free people out of it

uncle calm down, most ika people I know do not identify as bini abi bini republician,
Stranger __ what tribe are you
Ika_man _ am Igbo from Delta State(most say Delta Igbo)
just that ika dialect differs(68% Igbo 22% gibberish 10% English)
100% ika family child names be like; chike, Chinwe, Ada, iffunanya, e.t.c, still a bini man?
I wonder where u see ika people denying Igbo identity
But talk true if them put gun for your head to deny your fulani identify, you nor go deny am?
Even me sef go speak French
The last time I checked the list of Nigerian tribes ika, ikwerre, anioma e.t.c were not among the list.
am from one of the ika local government in Delta sha

YungMillionaire:


You are right, I am not Igbo either. But when I hear Osadebey the first thing that comes to my mind is Edo. Okay, I learnt something new today. Thanks.

You are welcome.

Denn:


Since you dote every response with an insult, then the problem possibly has to be with your upbringing. It didn't start today.

you started off so sure of your self, saying afa has nothing to do with ifa (which shows how uninformed you are on the subject) then you backtrack and says it then implies Igbos had contact with Yorubas before they branched off.

The simple fact is that the Yoruba Ifa divination (Odu Ifa) is the source of all Ifa canon, a fact which is accepted by all who are well versed in the subject.

I am only responsible for what i say, not what you understand.

Yoruba say Okwuta.
Igbos say Okute.
There are so many of these similarities out there for goodness sake.

Both groups speak Niger Congo languages and originated in the same Axis.
It doesn't mean Igbos took your religion, rather both groups share some similar words for the same thing.


Why are you always trying to discredit Igbos to praise Benin and Yoruba.
Can't they be allowed to be the Niger Congo people without pulling igbos down?


BIGOT.

Ariani:


You are funny.

Ndiigbo had little or no interactions with Yorubas in our ancient memory.

Don't kid yourself.

"Igba Afa" has no direct link with Ifa. It's only with knowledge of linguistics that made available the Info on the divergence of Igbo and Yoruba from the YEAII common root eons, that I tried to link Ifa with Afa, using other shared words like Okwute and Okuta, as well.

It doesn't mean Ifa is Afa.

You insult Ndiigbo when you claim we borrowed our omenani Afa from you.
It's an insult.

We can easily claim you copied Ifa from our Afa,but the average Igbo man has no interest in such ridiculous claims, we mostly mind our business while all of you be looking for our trouble with your blatant pokenosing and distortion of our history that you know nothing about.

It's outrightly insulting. You don't do such and don't expect a proud Igbo man like me not to retaliate.

That person is a disgusting Bigot after all Igbos can also claim that Yoruba got Ifa from Afa.

His only mission here is to claim igbos have no civilization or disparage igbo civilization whenever he is busted.

A low life Igbophobic fool.

Ariani:


You are funny.

Ndiigbo had little or no interactions with Yorubas in our recent memory.

Don't kid yourself.

"Igba Afa" has no direct link with Ifa. It's only with knowledge of linguistics that made available the Info on the divergence of Igbo and Yoruba from the YEAII common root eons, that I tried to link Ifa with Afa, using other shared words like Okwute and Okuta, as well.

It doesn't mean Ifa is Afa.

You insult Ndiigbo when you claim we borrowed our omenani Afa from you.
It's an insult.

We can easily claim you copied Ifa from our Afa,but the average Igbo man has no interest in such ridiculous claims, we mostly mind our business while all of you be looking for our trouble with your blatant pokenosing and distortion of our history that you know nothing about.

It's outrightly insulting. You don't do such and don't expect a proud Igbo man like me not to retaliate.

If you think it is an insult because an Igbo Dibia uses afa divination, then what do you want the people from other areas who share the same divination with the Odu ifa to say?

In Ewe, Ghana and Togo, it is known as Afa. It is in Benin republic as Fa. Same Ifa is in Brazil.

It has been extensively studied by UNESCO and added to one of the Masterpieces of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity.

I would suggest you do more research on this subject before you come to a hasty conclusion that Afa is in no way related to Ifa.

Boudiccao:



Wrong. Ifa divinity has nothing to do with Afa, you bigot always trying to malign and discredit Igbo civilization.


Igbos and Yorubas come from the same language family , it is not out of place that they have word cognates and similar words that sound the same.

You must be obsessed with Igbos to the point of trashing everything that belongs to them.

I didn't trash Igbos.

The fact that something originates from somewhere doesn't make the Igbos lesser. Why are you suffering from a serious case of inferiority complex like this?

We are communicating in english, a language that doesn't belong to our tribes, yet you find ancient history intimidating?

Boudiccao:



That person is a disgusting Bigot after all Igbos can also claim that Yoruba got Ifa from Afa.

His only mission here is to claim igbos have no civilization or disparage igbo civilization whenever he is busted.

A low life Igbophobic fool.

If you have evidence to show that the Yorubas got Ifa from Afa, please show it.

Don't go into the cesspit of insults just because you find it hard to make a point.

Denn:


If you think it is an insult because an Igbo Dibia uses afa divination, then what do you want the people from other areas who share the same divination with the Odu ifa to say?

In Ewe, Ghana and Togo, it is known as Afa. It is in Benin republic as Fa. Same Ifa is in Brazil.

It has been extensively studied by UNESCO and added to one of the Masterpieces of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity.

I would suggest you do more research on this subject before you come to a hasty conclusion that Afa is in no way related to Ifa.

Ifa has nothing to do with Afa.

All those countries are populated by the same Niger Congo folks down to South Africa. They are going to share similar words for the same things or different things. They will even have similar cultures and beliefs.


With this logic, Igbos can claim Yorubas got Ifa from Afa.


You are a fuckingg Supremacist hell bent on berating Igbos.
A waste of time.

Denn:


If you think it is an insult because an Igbo Dibia uses afa divination, then what do you want the people from other areas who share the same divination with the Odu ifa to say?

In Ewe, Ghana and Togo, it is known as Afa. It is in Benin republic as Fa. Same Ifa is in Brazil.

It has been extensively studied by UNESCO and added to one of the Masterpieces of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity.

I would suggest you do more research on this subject before you come to a hasty conclusion that Afa is in no way related to Ifa.

I don't give a damn who studied Ifa or who used it.

But Ifa didn't give birth to Afa in Igboland.

Ndiigbo and Yoruba are distinct people.

Considering that we have traditionally been more populous than Yorubas, we could easily claim they borrowed Ifa from Ndiigbo.
But that's not how Ndiigbo roll.
We are too secured in our own skins to be pokenosing into other people history.

We just say we know nothing about Ifa, and that we developed our Afa independent of Yorubas IFA.

It's as simple as that.

Boudiccao:


Yoruba say Okwuta.
Igbos say Okute.
There are so many of these similarities out there for goodness sake.

Both groups speak Niger Congo languages and originated in the same Axis.
It doesn't mean Igbos took your religion, rather both groups share some similar words for the same thing.


Why are you always trying to discredit Igbos to praise Benin and Yoruba.
Can't they be allowed to be the Niger Congo people without pulling igbos down?


BIGOT.

I am not discrediting Igbos.

The Odu Ifa has been well researched. Don't take my word for it. Research and learn.

I actually believe these things should bring us all closer instead of separating us.

We evidently share a common ancestry. Why the hate and anger?

Why must everyone who has a different observation be your enemy?

Denn:


If you have evidence to show that the Yorubas got Ifa from Afa, please show it.

Don't go into the cesspit of insults just because you find it hard to make a point.

You saw two similar words used by two different groups just like Okute and Okwuta and you jumped into a conclusion that Igbos got Afa from Ifa.

That is supremacist complex and pseudo history.

Get the Bleep out of here.

Ariani:


I don't give a damn who studied Ifa or who used it.

But Ifa didn't give birth to Afa in Igboland.

Ndiigbo and Yoruba are distinct people.

Considering that we have traditionally been more populous than Yorubas, we could easily claim they borrowed Ifa from Ndiigbo.
But that's not how Ndiigbo roll.
We are too secured in our own skins to be pokenosing into other people history.

We just say we know nothing about Ifa, and that we developed our Afa independent of Yorubas IFA.

It's as simple as that.

apologies but only an arrogant person doesn't care about past studies that counter his present beliefs.

It is like saying you don't care if anyone has done studies in the past to prove that the earth is round or flat but since your own parcel of farm land is flat, the earth is then flat.

Denn:


I am not discrediting Igbos.

The Odu Ifa has been well researched. Don't take my word for it. Research and learn.

I actually believe these things should bring us all closer instead of separating us.

We evidently share a common ancestry. Why the hate and anger?

Why must everyone who has a different observation be your enemy?

Your Odu Ifa has nothing to do with Igbos.
When you continue to make such ignorant claims borne out of desperation to undermine Igbos then you are a supremacist and an enemy to Igbos.


Having a common ancestry mean doesn't mean Igbos took anything from you.
Your attempts to portray the Igbos as a culture less with no civilization of their own is dead on arrival and reeks of inferiority complex and resentment of Igbos on your part.

Bigot.

Ariani:


They were rounded up in a matter of days.
They couldn't even manufacture local guns to withstand the British.
And once the Oba came out from the bush he was hiding and sent to exile, the war was over.
That's how fragile and useless their village Monarchical system of Government is.

It's a very primitive and weak system of Government that makes it easy to conquer a people.
Just strike at the head and everyone else fall in line.

Contrast this with what Happened in Enu-ani where the people fought for decades, because there was no all powerful king dictating for the people.

Or in Arochukwu where they organized and employed local blacksmiths all over Igboland who made guns for them with which they withstood the British in a full blown war for two years at a stretch before capitulation to the superiority of Maxim guns.

Some village fettish people think that worshipping one fat not so wise man and shouting "Oba gha tokpe" up and down like a people without brains to think for themselves, is what makes a people strong or civilized.

Ndi Mgbu.

lol so Apt! you schooled the dimwits. great empires/kingdoms were not known to be too be weak and fragile, great kingdoms had strong allies or subordinates which they called upon in the Time of war and were not basically known to give in quickly. the stories surrounding the Benin expedition point to only one fact that the kingdom was weak and vulnerable. I'm quite sure they had no hegemony/imperial rule over the delta Igbos.

The Ekumeku war proved one thing among the Anioma and their kit and kin over niger " they were united in the face of external threats" which means Benin was of no threat to their very existence as there were being tamed in the Agboh Axis.

The delta Igbos succumbed to the anti-Igbo sentiments and shied away from their identity that is why today their history is being propagated by another ethnic group, assuming they held on to their Igbo pride that bullshit of being subdued wouldn't have had a standing ground.

The Aros shouldn't be compared to Benin's, aros were the don dadas of the game they had strong logistics, allies from different war clans in Igbo land and beyond, these clans paved way for them to successfully raid villages. the British met their match with the aros they also confessed to the sophisticated weapons the aros used in the battle and the trenches they dug to halt their advancement, this was why the battle lasted for a very long time, unlike Benin, just a single gunshot and their kingdom turned into ashes.

forget the fairytales none of these tribes ever thought about raiding Igbo land if they did they wouldn't have survived.

Denn:


have you heard of the maxim gun?

Do you know how Lord Lugard took over Kano?

Do you know what ancient Kano was?

Do you know about the might of the British empire?

Do you know what a canon barrage can do?

lol and the Aros held them for 5 months.

Denn:


apologies but only an arrogant person doesn't care about past studies that counter his present beliefs.

It is like saying you don't care if anyone has done studies in the past to prove that the earth is round or flat but since your own parcel of farm land is flat, the earth is then flat.

So who did this study that says that Igbos borrowed our Afa from Ifa of Yorubas?
Did the person come to Igbo land to ask us questions, or he just stayed in Ibadan and Lagos and started distorting Igbo history without our knowledge?

You don't think this is not only insulting, but provocative?

Look,our fathers and grandfathers might have for whatever reason allowed you lots get away with these historical distortions and provocations, but bear in mind that this current Igbo generation will not.

Just dey your dey.
No come use your blues spoil our reggae.

If you want to do research on Afa,come to Igboland and ask us questions, maybe when you are done, you will see that you borrowed from us, since you can't mind your business.

bomb24:


lol and the Aros held them for 5 months.

Lol!
Yeah.
5 months. You are right.

IDENNAA:


Come on , let's be logical for a second. There is no single evidence Bini ever crossed Agbor...just some bogus map that says nothing about what was met on ground. These your wars you fought who did you fight and which land did you take.

And do you know the true definition of an "empire" ?

they are deluded, they don't know the meaning of an empire

empire vanquished by 200 men were those that happen?

Ariani:


Lol!
Yeah.
5 months. You are right.

are you from arochukwu?

Boudiccao:


You saw two similar words used by two different groups just like Okute and Okwuta and you jumped into a conclusion that Igbos got Afa from Ifa.

That is supremacist complex and pseudo history.

Get the Bleep out of here.

Try something new. Ask yourself, What is the origin of Afa in Igbo land?

Does it relate to travelling medicine men from other areas?

You can ask more experienced people.