₦airaland Forum

RiceProducers:
Never has so much bullshit been dished in so many words. I am dazed reading this.

So.. "adopting a culture that works, a culture of social justice, knowledge and science over superstition and nepotism..". This negates investment in infrastructure? Makes it unnecessary?
Or maybe, it is a binary issue and you can't have social justice without infrastructure.

Only Nigerians think like this. They use their education against themselves, think binary and can't tell the truth to save their own lives.

RiceProducers:
Never has so much bullshit been dished in so many words. I am dazed reading this.

So.. "adopting a culture that works, a culture of social justice, knowledge and science over superstition and nepotism..". This negates investment in infrastructure? Makes it unnecessary?
Or maybe, it is a binary issue and you can't have social justice without infrastructure.

Only Nigerians think like this. They use their education against themselves, think binary and can't tell the truth to save their own lives.

lexy2014:
How did they qualify to build infrastructure in developed countries?

RiceProducers:
What I find is that many years of PDP has damaged the reasoning power of Nigerians. Nigerians also imbibed the culture of cowardly lying about things to make a point.

Infrastructure is everything. The US is possibly the most advanced country in the world and they are going back to infrastructure as an enabler. To make it even stark for corruptly nurtured Nigerians, Trump also was going to do the massive infrastructural revamp that Biden just started.
Infrastructure begets large numbers of public sector jobs immediately. When you finish the projects, large nos of service sector jobs follow.
Some joker was talking about IT. Ok IT.
Data centers, broadband internet, 5G are infrastructure. You want to mine bitcoins, you need large nos of KWHs in electricity.

What about internal efficiencies within your economy that make your products cheaper?

What about tourist income you generate when you have uninterrupted power, beautiful roads, light rail and trams connecting beautiful hotels, cinemas and Airbnbs.

One sad thing about PDP and their supporters is that people are beginning to see through their cluelessness and their belief that Nigerians don't deserve the best.
That Nigeria should remain a shit hole where a privileged few living in 3 cities can shit on the country, steal the money and go abroad to their families and for holidays.

Zetra7:
Borrowing unsustainable loans will never ever drive this nation forward, invest in education and SMEs is the way forward...


Stopping using biden infrastructural policy, US is already an educated nation.. Compare ourselves with China , Bangladesh, India and Indonesia, these countries are seriously funding their SMEs and intellectual base..

Once the investment in SME matures with intelligent human resources, money will flow and infrastructure will naturally come..

All great infrastructures in China today was not from loans....

Instead of calling Peter Obi to help you in building the nation, you're turning it into politics..

The same goes for the broke ass Nigerians in this forum supporting a useless set of leaders, put hate aside and learn from men like Peter obi, you will certainly make it in life.

To bring his macro economic view down to micro economics, you can't borrow unrealistic loans to build houses or buy cars instead focus the investment on your little hustle and education, trust me if it means educating yourself in IT, health or even going abroad to study a good course ,you will certainly reap from it..

neyoohhh:
Early stages before the government took over partially with policies.. good balance between public and private is the best.

Nigerian government can continue to focus on infrastructure and find a way to finance the private sector with policies...

Case study
See how property developers in Lagos are building everyday, imagine if they had better finance and consumers with access to credit to buy from them.. same logic with innoson.. etc..

Finance/ideas are our biggest problems.

lexy2014:
How did u arrive ur conclusion that "There has been no single President better than Buhari since independence"?

lexy2014:
Dude u are thinking backwards. "Adopting a culture that works, a culture of social justice, knowledge and science over superstition and nepotism" is what promotes investment in infrastructure and not what negates it. It's not rocket science

CoolAmbience:
Simple..

1. Huge Strategic Physical Projects i.e. 2nd Niger Bridge; Bonny-Bodo Bridge; Lagos-Ibadan Railway, Lagos-Ibadan Expressway; Airports upgrade projects etc.

2. Pragmatic & progressive policies i.e. Anchor Borrowers Scheme; NSIP; PIDF; Energizing Businesses Initiative etc.

3. Prudent Economy Management through diversification. Who could have managed the economy better, among our crop of past leaders, with revenue dropping by around 60%?

Is it Babangida, Jonathan, Obasanjo or Abubakar? All of these people were there while the Itakpe-Warri Railway stayed under construction for almost 40 years? What about the Lagos-Ibadan Expressway? Lagos-Benin Highway; Abuja-Kaduna Expressway; Kaduna-Kano Highway etc.

Do you how many decades ago the 2nd Niger Bridge was conceived? Do you know for how long the Igbani people of Grand Bonny Kingdom in Rivers have depended only on the dangerous Atlantic creeks to connect to the rest of Rivers people?

Abeg, make we leave petty hate. I am from Anambra state. Buhari is the man!
Man that cut down health budget in the middle of Pandemic?
Who won't be treated in Nigerian Hospitals neither will his wife or grandchildren be born in one
Whose children won't attend Nigerian universities?

CoolAmbience:
Simple..

1. Huge Strategic Physical Projects i.e. 2nd Niger Bridge; Bonny-Bodo Bridge; Lagos-Ibadan Railway, Lagos-Ibadan Expressway; Airports upgrade projects etc.

2. Pragmatic & progressive policies i.e. Anchor Borrowers Scheme; NSIP; PIDF; Energizing Businesses Initiative etc.

3. Prudent Economy Management through diversification. Who could have managed the economy better, among our crop of past leaders, with revenue dropping by around 60%?

Is it Babangida, Jonathan, Obasanjo or Abubakar? All of these people were there while the Itakpe-Warri Railway stayed under construction for almost 40 years? What about the Lagos-Ibadan Expressway? Lagos-Benin Highway; Abuja-Kaduna Expressway; Kaduna-Kano Highway etc.

Do you how many decades ago the 2nd Niger Bridge was conceived? Do you know for how long the Igbani people of Grand Bonny Kingdom in Rivers have depended only on the dangerous Atlantic creeks to connect to the rest of Rivers people?

Abeg, make we leave petty hate. I am from Anambra state. Buhari is the man!

CoolAmbience:
Talk is cheap.

Let's start listing them here.

Bonny-Bodo Bridge
Lagos-Ibadan Expressway
Lagos-Ibadan Railway
Itakpe-Warri Railway
2nd Niger Bridge.
Calabar-Cameroun Highway



.........let me pause and await for your list to continue.

lexy2014:
I didn't ask u what did their govts do. I asked how did d private sector in developed countries qualify to build infrastructure?

mrvitalis:
The truth is Nigeria is a complex mix
..yorubas won't get obi because they are naturally social capitalist like the Norway , Denmark and their brothers

Obi is talking from a capitalist point of view like Germans , Japanese

Infrastructure are good , but are only feel good projects

Lagos ibadan rail can't break even in 100 years ..I'm not saying make profit ...yet u spent $1.5b ok it ...that's 750 billion ...what does that add to our GDP every year nothing

Imagine u take same 750 billion ...call the 10 biggest glass importers ...what would it take to move to manufacturing here ....how much do u want ....work with banks the form partnership establishing 3 glass factory ...that would cost not more than $600m ...u give them $400 million ask them to fund the other $200 million as loan without interest and payment break of 5 years from when they start operations ... payment in the next 10 years

Each factory would employ over 3000 people direct that's 9000 direct over 15000 I direct job

Nigeria glass import is around $1.5 billion a year ...with another $2 billion in west Africa and central African market ,

This would grow our GDP by 3.5 billion dollars minimum , generate a tax of over 50 million dollars per year

Now u still have $1.1 billion

U can do the same for ceramics plates and bathroom equipments ...that's would be less 200 million dollars as loan to the importers can set up 5 factories

U are left with $800 million

Garment factories in aba can cloth Nigeria with $400 million invest ...link the leather producers in kano the shoe markers in aba

Make it easy to transport with police harassment

We can commercialize the rice species we have developed ...$100 million to rice importers can do the magic

$1.5 billion if invested well can generate 5 to 10 billion GDP growth per year

Ovamboland:
Even if the trains don't break even in 1000 years any scenario that will bring efficiency in logistics and cutting travel time is most welcome. Any arrangement that will cut the cost of transporting a container from the Apapa port to the far ends of the country from 1.5m to the proposed 650k is always a welcome development.
The prospects of sending food down south at 650k for a trailer load instead of 1.2m is welcome and won't just be a feel-good effect on the long-suffering masses that has watched PDP goons as our earnings was diverted to buy private jets and luxury yacht when we earned real good money

My brother arrived in Lagos this morning from Ibadan at 10:15am, in the good old days of PDP Obi people, he will still be at Ogere struggling with traffic and might not arrive until 2pm. At this moment he's already attending his second meeting/assignment and will be done before dusk to retire comfortably home for a good rest.

He can achieve more due to the railway you call feel good and useless, and will return home early tomorrow morning to continue his activities in his home.


Where are the jobs created from the 5Trn loan AMCON is chasing people about to repay> You are asking they be given another 750Bn to go fail with due to lack of power supply, poor infrastructure, and means of logistics?

I expect opposition worth its salt to be cerebral, diligent, and honest in its submission, but this attempt is really exasperating, disgusting and very dumb, to say the least

Zetra7:
Borrowing unsustainable loans will never ever drive this nation forward, invest in education and SMEs is the way forward...

Stopping using biden infrastructural policy, US is already an educated nation.. Compare ourselves with China , Bangladesh, India and Indonesia, these countries are seriously funding their SMEs and intellectual base..

Once the investment in SME matures with intelligent human resources, money will flow and infrastructure will naturally come..

All great infrastructures in China today was not from loans....

Instead of calling Peter Obi to help you in building the nation, you're turning it into politics..

The same goes for the broke ass Nigerians in this forum supporting a useless set of leaders, put hate aside and learn from men like Peter obi, you will certainly make it in life.

To bring his macro economic view down to micro economics, you can't borrow unrealistic loans to build houses or buy cars instead focus the investment on your little hustle and education, trust me if it means educating yourself in IT, health or even going abroad to study a good course ,you will certainly reap from it..

Zetra7:
Sis, you simply want attention as you have nothing to contribute, please concentrate on BBNaija..

lexy2014:
I didn't ask u what did their govts do. I asked how did d private sector in developed countries qualify to build infrastructure?

neyoohhh:
Africa is suffering because of the Matthew effect, any hustle that doesn't utilise leverage is meaningless..

Look around you!

neyoohhh:
Lobbying. Private sector can push for policies..

What are you driving at , so I can address you properly

Megasaucy:
Just look at the silly nonesense you called contribution to an important, topical national issue.

Even a third grader knows that great economies grow on a substratum infrastructural development.

American legislature just voted additional $1Trillion for infrastructural development.

Obi was clearly playing to the gallery. He needs to point to any country where human capital development trounced infrastructural development.

Get your head out of your silly a$$, it is not a hat!

lexy2014:
Which means, u probably didn't follow d discussion I was having prior to u joining in. Am asking about technical competence in building infrastructure

neyoohhh:
There isn't, why infrastructure is expensive.


Education is the solution but how long will it take?

Why are the currently educated not solving problems?

Education isn't even enough, ideas are..

Apologies didn't read the entire argument but... the point stands, finance and ideas are our biggest problems.

Feel free to educate, totally welcomed.

mrvitalis:
The truth is Nigeria is a complex mix
..yorubas won't get obi because they are naturally social capitalist like the Norway , Denmark and their brothers

Obi is talking from a capitalist point of view like Germans , Japanese

Infrastructure are good , but are only feel good projects

Lagos ibadan rail can't break even in 100 years ..I'm not saying make profit ...yet u spent $1.5b ok it ...that's 750 billion ...what does that add to our GDP every year nothing

Imagine u take same 750 billion ...call the 10 biggest glass importers ...what would it take to move to manufacturing here ....how much do u want ....work with banks the form partnership establishing 3 glass factory ...that would cost not more than $600m ...u give them $400 million ask them to fund the other $200 million as loan without interest and payment break of 5 years from when they start operations ... payment in the next 10 years

Each factory would employ over 3000 people direct that's 9000 direct over 15000 I direct job

Nigeria glass import is around $1.5 billion a year ...with another $2 billion in west Africa and central African market ,

This would grow our GDP by 3.5 billion dollars minimum , generate a tax of over 50 million dollars per year

Now u still have $1.1 billion

U can do the same for ceramics plates and bathroom equipments ...that's would be less 200 million dollars as loan to the importers can set up 5 factories

U are left with $800 million

Garment factories in aba can cloth Nigeria with $400 million invest ...link the leather producers in kano the shoe markers in aba

Make it easy to transport with police harassment

We can commercialize the rice species we have developed ...$100 million to rice importers can do the magic

$1.5 billion if invested well can generate 5 to 10 billion GDP growth per year

drealcivilceno:
Ok... Good Analysis, by the way I'm not for Buhari...

There are miscellaneous expenses factors, like man must chop, I must present.... etc, and you can never factor that out, so that should compensate for the huge amount.

Even if they invest in SME's .i.e. your idea, which road will they ply to the markets to deliver products. Glass and Ceramics that are very brittle, come to mile2/okoko road u will see things.

Wait, what Nigerians themselves... shortly after the lockdown, I know NGOs that where given some amount to disburse to their various communities. One was given $1.5m dollars to disburse... Till today na story we dey hear. My HOD for work was given 150 million naira. Na so we no see this woman again.

So let them do whatever they can do, use their work to your advantage.. chikena.

As for the laws that guide this country, it should be your agenda and you should speak up about it.

Zetra7:
Borrowing unsustainable loans will never ever drive this nation forward, invest in education and SMEs is the way forward...


Stopping using biden infrastructural policy, US is already an educated nation.. Compare ourselves with China , Bangladesh, India and Indonesia, these countries are seriously funding their SMEs and intellectual base..

Once the investment in SME matures with intelligent human resources, money will flow and infrastructure will naturally come..

All great infrastructures in China today was not from loans....

Instead of calling Peter Obi to help you in building the nation, you're turning it into politics..

The same goes for the broke ass Nigerians in this forum supporting a useless set of leaders, put hate aside and learn from men like Peter obi, you will certainly make it in life.

To bring his macro economic view down to micro economics, you can't borrow unrealistic loans to build houses or buy cars instead focus the investment on your little hustle and education, trust me if it means educating yourself in IT, health or even going abroad to study a good course ,you will certainly reap from it..

Ovamboland:
Even if the trains don't break even in 1000 years any scenario that will bring efficiency in logistics and cutting travel time is most welcome. Any arrangement that will cut the cost of transporting a container from the Apapa port to the far ends of the country from 1.5m to the proposed 650k is always a welcome development.
The prospects of sending food down south at 650k for a trailer load instead of 1.2m is welcome and won't just be a feel-good effect on the long-suffering masses that has watched PDP goons as our earnings was diverted to buy private jets and luxury yacht when we earned real good money

My brother arrived in Lagos this morning from Ibadan at 10:15am, in the good old days of PDP Obi people, he will still be at Ogere struggling with traffic and might not arrive until 2pm. At this moment he's already attending his second meeting/assignment and will be done before dusk to retire comfortably home for a good rest.

He can achieve more due to the railway you call feel good and useless, and will return home early tomorrow morning to continue his activities in his home.


Where are the jobs created from the 5Trn loan AMCON is chasing people about to repay> You are asking they be given another 750Bn to go fail with due to lack of power supply, poor infrastructure, and means of logistics?

I expect opposition worth its salt to be cerebral, diligent, and honest in its submission, but this attempt is really exasperating, disgusting and very dumb, to say the least

Agboriotejoye:
1. Let's discountenance uncompleted projects if not Warri-Itakpe can also be claimed by IBB regime. So, modify your list to reflect that.

2. I'll also expect you to remove Lagos-, Ibadan expressway cause it's not a new project but just a rehabilitation. Or have people not been using the road since the 70s and successive govt carry out rehab work on it?

3. Here we go

Abuja capital city
Third mainland bridge
Shiroro hydroelectric power dam
Kano-Kaduna highway
Port Harcourt refinery 2

You want more?

lexy2014:
Dude u are thinking backwards. "Adopting a culture that works, a culture of social justice, knowledge and science over superstition and nepotism" is what promotes and produces investment in infrastructure and not what negates it. It's not rocket science

lexy2014:
Is this what u call a comparative analysis based on ur conclusion that "There has been no single President better than Buhari since independence"? I don't see any indices in what u wrote.

In ur number 3 point for instance, what are d figures? What's d reality on ground? What's d living standard of Nigerians since 2015 compared to before 2015? How has d economy been diversified? What has it been diversified to? how much revenue came in since 2015, how was it utilised that made u say "prudent management of economy"?


You have to take every aspect of governance since 1960 (taking into cognisance section 14 (2b) of d constitution), compare every administration since 1960 and mirror against d buhari administration using every single aspect of governance as indices.

CoolAmbience:
Discountenance some abi?

Let's also discountenance Abuja City since every past leadership can lay claim to it, especially as it will remain an ongoing project for so long.

Same applies to Kano-Kaduna Highway which the current adminstration is investing hugely into fixing. So much has also gone into various maintenance works on the Third Mainland Bridge.

So, what is left on your list?

Buhari also built and commissioned a Solar power plant in Nigeria, it is a 1.52MW power infrastructure.

lexy2014:
So how is infrastructure developed? Does it fall from d sky?