If anybody else chooses to respond to Agbotaen then I know that the person is simply bored. These people (Ika/Owa/whatever it is they call themselves) are Igbo by their acclaimed Nri roots. In fact, to cut through all the bullshit and political correctness, these people are apparently more Igbo than I, by the very fact that they have acclaimed Nri roots. So I will not, for the life of me or anyone else, understand why people will still continue to argue the obvious with members from this small 'kingdom'.
Just leave them.

ChinenyeN:

If anybody else chooses to respond to Agbotaen then I know that the person is simply bored. These people (Ika/Owa/whatever it is they call themselves) are Igbo by their acclaimed Nri roots. In fact, to cut through all the bullshit and political correctness, these people are apparently more Igbo than I, by the very fact that they have acclaimed Nri roots. So I will not, for the life of me or anyone else, understand why people will still continue to argue the obvious with members from this small 'kingdom'.
Just leave them.

  Its unfortunate that many igbo deltans do not knw their root and history, they started counting their history after adjusting their boundary because of bini up riseing, and nw they think they are frm bini just because they adjusted their boundary. Its a free world where u choose what u want and who ever u want to be, but ur fore fathers were never edos/binis, but their original land was in wat is 2day knwn as bini land. Bini drove u people out of ur land not that u people came frm bini.

nedu210:

  Its unfortunate that many igbo deltans do not knw their root and history, they started counting their history after adjusting their boundary because of bini up riseing, and nw they think they are frm bini just because they adjusted their boundary. Its a free world where u choose what u want and who ever u want to be, but ur fore fathers were never edos/binis, but their original land was in wat is 2day knwn as bini land. Bini drove u people out of ur land not that u people came frm bini.

Sure about this?

Sonofpeace:

Umunnem, biko nu on a serious note, how come nobody other than agbotaen has ever claimed to come from Ika Ika since the creation of this thread? Does it imply that Ika is not in existance? Or that they are not on nairaland? Plz somebody should help me out.

may be his igbo brother frm the east took his girl friend from his .    To my ika brother, we frm the east love u ppl, not because u ppl ar fomous, not because u ppl ar more enterprising than ur eastern brothers, not because oil flow frm every angle in ur land, not because u ppl ar the power house of the world, its just because we ar brother notin more.  I knw of many proud igbos frm ika like blessing, nma, akazua emmanuel, ike nwafor and so many other.

ChinenyeN:

If anybody else chooses to respond to Agbotaen then I know that the person is simply bored. These people (Ika/Owa/whatever it is they call themselves) are Igbo by their acclaimed Nri roots. In fact, to cut through all the bullshit and political correctness, these people are apparently more Igbo than I, by the very fact that they have acclaimed Nri roots. So I will not, for the life of me or anyone else, understand why people will still continue to argue the obvious with members from this small 'kingdom'.
Just leave them.

Very true. You're even necessarily not one by default.

mbatuku2:

Sure about this?

Very likely true because I've heard of the Ijaw version. Most Ijaws in the Bayelsa area believe they were displaced from Benin area. Even some folk tales tell of such in both Ijaw and Igbo area. Igbos were likely made slaves by the Edos while the strong ones were granted citizenship and joined their army. Most that escaped headed back eastwards maybe with hope of getting back to Nri or Isu.

mbatuku2:

Very true. You're even necessarily not one by default.

Yes, exactly, and that's why I don't even argue this topic with these people. If they want, let them keep running their mouth, but as far as their acclaimed Nri roots are concerned they are Igbo, and people like me, who are technically by default not even "Igbo" have no business arguing "Igbohood" with lost sheep of some small 'kingdom'.

The western igbos hosted the edos and they all lived together in peace, when the igbos were granted autonomy in 13th century AD under the leadership of Nri, in 15 century edos in wantin to expand their territory launched attack on the western igbos, meny that were nw forgotten flee west wards, and many east wards and nw they have forgotten their history, root and who they are, and said they migrated frm bini. People will sit in the comfort of their home and dish out a book without research, as a historian i hav red and research about igbo, nupe,yoruba, edo, bantu, efik, ibibio and somany other peoples history.

I actually support the push to identify Ika as Igbo and convince them of it, so that all this confusion can stop. But in the course of doing so, its not necessary to make some of these kinds of claims in some of the above posts. I don't think they'll really convince people.

To Nedu, the Binis are one of multiple Edoid groups in that same general area. To say the western Igbos "hosted the Edos" doesn't make sense when the entire area shows a steady stream of Edoid migration from somewhere north of Edo state extending into Itsekiri land, where some Edoid group clearly mixed with a larger group of Yorubas. If anything, the Ikas would have been pushed out by proto-Urhobos, on the way to where they are now, before the Benin kingdom existed. But the Bini and Urhobo groups separated a very long time ago (see Ben Elugbe's work for an estimation of the time, based on linguistic differences and a Northern Edoid/Southern Edoid dichotomy; he estimates 2000-3000 years).

The earthworks in the Bini and Esan areas, dating from an early time, make this theory dead on arrival, anyway. The same kind of structures were built in 700 AD (8th century) as were built up to the mid to late 1400s AD (15th century), yet these exact kind of earthworks were not found in any Igbo areas (and one can read Patrick Darling's detailed publications on earthworks in Benin and Esan areas for more detail). And it seems the kinds of Edo titles and cultural elements adopted by some of the Ikas or other Delta Igbos could not be from the 8th century AD or from some even earlier time when all the Edoid people were migrating southwards. For example, there almost certainly could not have been an "Iyase" in the 8th century.



@ Abagworo, here is a take on the "Benin origin" story among Ijaws from an Ijaw historian:


"It would appear from an analysis of the oral traditions of Ijo Ibe throughout the Niger delta that the Ijo can no longer remember any place outside the delta from which they came. The traditions are convincing only about movements within the delta from a number of centres of dispersion. In the eastern delta, the most important centres seem to have been Ke and Obiama; in the central delta, Ikibiri and Oporoma; and, in the western delta, Ogobiri and Oproza. But even these places which served as places of origin for so many other groups feel a need to name places of origin. Only the people of Ke claim to be autochthonous, that their founders dropped from the sky. Obiama is extinct, and many groups who claim it as their place of origin decline to say whence Obiama itself came, but some name Benin, and others simply state that the ancient Obiama were 'Ijo'. The people of Oporoma claimed autochthony when their traditions were first recorded in 1931, but in 1938 stated emphatically that their ancestors had come from Benin. The Seimbiri of Ikibiri name Egypt ('Egipiti') as their ancestor's home prior to settlement at Benin. Benin origin is the classical example of a cliche in Ijo traditions. In the central delta, seven out of ten Ibe gave Benin as their place of origin. In the western delta, closer to the Benin kingdom, only five out of fourteen Ibe gave Benin as the place of origin. Most eastern delta kingdoms also claim Benin as a place of origin. The geographical isolation of the delta has predisposed people to accept theories of movements into it from outlying regions. The idea is that people fled the Benin kingdom for various reasons and sought refuge in the inaccessible delta.

Benin is also used as a place of origin in the oral traditions of other peoples in the northern fringes of the delta as far up the Niger as Onitsha, and in all the country between Onitsha and Benin. The conclusion must be that the great prestige of the Benin kingdom has attracted at least some of these uses of its name. There are, however, two cases of relationship with the Benin kingdom which bear scrutiny. Tradition at Nembe remembers a man, Ogidiga, leading a band of refugees from the Itsekiri kingdom of Warri (itself traditionally an offshoot of Benin). Ogidiga is now the name of the Nembe national god, and the sword believed to have been used by the man Ogidiga is preserved in the shrine and known as Ada. The word Ogidiga means 'leader' or 'great man' in both Itsekiri and Edo (Benin). And the name Ada had been given at Benin to one of two 'swords of authority' introduced to Benin by Ere, the second of the Ogiso rulers of the Benin kingdom. These facts give substance to the idea that refugees from justice or oppression fled into the delta from Benin and its environs, but do not constitute evidence of large or frequent migrations. The migration to Nembe may be a special, rather than a typical, case.

Among the three branches of the Mein in the western delta, the issue of leadership among the elders, Okusowe, was decided by trips to Benin to obtain bronze artifacts as legitimizing insignia of authority. The Pere of the Akugbene, Ngbelebiri, and Ogholubiri Mein are each reputed to own quantities of bronze objects of Benin type. It would seem then that Benin also served surrounding peoples as a place for deciding political problems that could not be resolved locally. The Mein account suggests that tribute in the form of slaves was paid to Benin for the bronzes. Since bronzes have been found or reported in various parts of the delta, the study of these bronzes may indicate the nature and extent of Benin cultural contact with the delta. The Mein bronzes are connected with Benin by tradition, and Horton sees some stylistic affinity also in some of the pieces. He believes the other examples in Mein and other areas belong to different styles. There are, however, no recorded traditions of either local manufacture or of importation, their origin being invariably ascribed to the water spirits. The investigation of these metal artifacts as well as of the centres of dispersal indicated by the traditions require the attention of archaeologists.

In sum then, Ijo traditions in the eastern delta refer to Benin as a place of origin outside the delta, and generally suggest movement from the west and central delta eastwards. There are, however, also traditions of migration from the east to the centre and from the central delta to the west. These migrations within the delta are better authenticated. A view first expressed by Dike and popularized by Davidson postulates a massive migration from the Ibo hinterland to populate an empty or near empty delta in the wake of the overseas slave-trade. Such a conclusion is unsupported by Ijo oral traditions, and even by the admittedly scanty early European records. Its basis is the belief that conditions in the delta were too unattractive for any number of people to have settled without the attraction of the profits of the overseas trade, first in slaves, and later in oil-palm produce. The evidence of the traditions is that trickles of migrants from the hinterland and the delta met on the fringes of the delta to form buffer communities. In any case, current tentative linguistic classifications of the languages of these communities distinguish them from both Ijo and Ibo. The eastern dialects of Mini, Ogbia, Udekama, Abuloma and Abua are classed in the Abua group of the Kwa subfamily of Niger-Congo languages. The more westerly dialects of Epie-Atissa and Engeni would seem to belong to the Edo Group of Kwa and Niger-Congo. The thesis of an empty delta is flatly contradicted by the account of Duarte Pacheco Pereira, believed to embody information of the Nigerian coast available to the Portuguese in the first decade of the sixteenth century. He knew people on the estuary of the Forcados River whom he named 'Huela' (probably the Ogula Ijo), and others on the rivers Ramos and Rio Real (the combined estuary of the Bonny and New Calabar) whom he called 'Jos' (clearly meaning Ijo). Pereira did not report a sparse population either. For the Ramos area, he stated: 'all this country is densely populated'. He observed no trade in the western delta, but there were already two centres of local and external trade on the Rio Real."


Oral Tradition among the Ijo of the Niger Delta
Author(s): Ebiegberi Joe Alagoa
Reviewed work(s):
Source: The Journal of African History, Vol. 7, No. 3 (1966), pp. 405-419
Published by: Cambridge University Press
Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/180110 .

@physicsQED. I admire the level of research I often find encompassed in any of these your long contributions in the culture section. This Benin origin of almost every group in the South baffles me as well. That of my people which I have personally refuted because it is obviously Aboh and Ukwuani not Benin that many of our ancestors came from. The claim of Benin seems more like an explanation to other Igbos of being from the land across the great river.

@physicsQED, I am not pushing any body to be any thing, and i dont care about wat they want 2 be.  J.U egharevba, suggested that the edo people migrated frm egypt, made a short halt in the sudan, then at ife, and finally came to this land where they met an inferior people. I can go on in tellin u that ppl were living in that place be4 the edos came as suggested by many historian of, edo, igbo, yoruba and foreign origin but there is no time and no need 4 that. I have never heard bini claiming western igbo, what i see is western igbos imposing their selves on binis. Much of what is now known as western igboland and even yorubaland was conquered by the benin kingdom in the 19th century agbor(ika), akure, owo and even the present day lagos island. At the maximum extent, the empire extended from the western igbo tribes on the shore of the river niger, but the expansion of the benin kingdom eastwards was stopped by the aggressive autonomus igbo villages southeast of the niger river. Why is it that in late 14th century when the bini up rising started, western igbos rejected their domination only to fall in late 19th century, and pull out in early 20th century, and then 21th century they started imposing their selves on the people they rejected. Any way the they have come of age to be a nation, if they like they can be ika, ika bini, or ika igbo i do not care. 4 the earthwork u ar talking about, it makes no sense, because they may start the earthwork when they came, and that they maintaind the earth work doesn't mean ppl were not occupying the territory when they came. Hosting bini doesn't mean they were live face to face, they may be living miles away, but ppl were controling the territory when they came.

@Agbontean why cant you stop disgracing the Ika people ? Why ? @all , People please try and ignore this man.These are just his personal

opinion which is really a minority one in Ikaland. I am not surprised that a fellow Ika like myself Ezeagu has placed the Ikas where they rightfully

belong ie amongst the Igbos.Do try and understand where Agbontean is coming from. Ikaland is geographically close to Benin and as such there are

Benin influences here and there.Nonetheless , the Benin influence is minimal when compared to the Igbo social structure which the foundation of                 Ikaland

ogbuefi please go back to your bush called igbodo ,and go with your useless igbo propaganda as it has failed majority of ika people rejected being igbo even during the civil war and today we are our own people , ika people might be small but we resisted benin colonisation and so we will not accept that of igbo , if you are the entire igbodo people are igbos good luck, but please leave the rest of us out who want to be ika people,and for your information ika people have never said we are binis ,but we are ika and we cannever be igbos , i guess you know what ika call them ?
you igbo people you are never tirred of propaganda ,please ogbuefi continue your internet revision of history ,i bet you will tell me the oba of benin did not crown obi of igbodo in the past?
as for me and my family and the majority of ika people we are ika, please can you tell me if ika people belong to ohaneze ndigbo ? and from which towns they arte from and what prominent ika people belong to it ?
i know its the like of ogbuefi and others from your clan
that is why when the majority of ika people stayed with nigeria and asserted their ika ethnic nationality , you and your people were supporting biafra , and that was why your community suffered during the war , and if you hate bini so much tell your obi to stop wearing bini style beads and please return the ada and eberen giving to your obi by the oba of bini and replace it with igweship dressing and insignia from igboland.

IKA NAMES- I am writing this articles so that some ika people who are in the habit of giving their children non-ika names that do not reflect our culture like chinedu , anwili and others will realise that we have names that reflect true ika culture , i will write some and later add others.
1. ehiabor- Gods blessing
2. ehioma - GOD is good
3. ehiwarrior- it is god we pray to
4. omiken- mercy
5. ehimeninomiken-God has shown me mercy
6. osedodo- God i plead
7. ehiedu- God leads
8. kpanmiose- God i thank you
9. ewere- good luck
10. osebor - Gods blessing
11. ugbebor- may my family be blessed
12. ogbekile - may my family not fall
13. ebonma- its the family that knows
14. ighogho- happiness
15. oyo- joy
16. ukpeose- light of GOd
17. janzunehi- who has gone to the grave and come back
18. osewuedionma- God is senior
19 - owabor- blessings of owa kingdom
20 -utebor- blessings of ute kingdom
21- erunmuh -gold
22 otunmuyen - born when there were visitors
23. otsunose- staff of God
24. erere- profit
25. erere ose- benefit from god
26. akpolo- beads
27. ehiyemofe- GOd gave me freely
28. eseka- sacrifice is greatest
29. igbeoba/gbenoba- iseek refuge in the kings
30. igbenehi- iseek refuge in GOD
31. AGBOJE- WE DO NOT KILL THE KING
32. agbobu- we do not kill the priest
33. ohenren- priestly
34. osiobu- friend of priest
35.ojobu- chief priest
36. ehiobu- God of the priest
37. chukwusiaeri- GOD IS my witness
38. osesiaeri- god is my witness
39. ehisaeri- god is my witness
40. eghowosihian- money is the friend of many
41. eseagbuihian- sacrifice does not kill
42. odedeoma- good mother
43. okpohowuku- woman is a good inheritance
44. okpohoka- woman is greatest
45. okpohose- woman of God
44. ekawuku- hand is wealth/inheritance
45. odafe- rich person
46. oriuwe- rich woman
47. isiwe- a rich head
48. uwebor- blessings of wealth
49. efe- riches
50 .efeose or efose- wealth of God
51. eseose or esose -SACRIFICE of GOD
52.MOSHERI- GOD IS MY WITNESS.
we as ika people have beautiful names that reflects our culture ,so it is good as an ika person to give your child names that reflect our culture as a people , because if you dont and you name your children according to the culture of our neighbours ,you are helping to eradicate gradually our language and culture, i will continue with other ika names later.

I wonder the kind of parents in this modern day world will call their children all this archaic names you listed here.
I might as well tell parents in my part of Igboland to name their children as follows: Woyokorouwa, Odingalomeghi,Ariawa, Acharaeke, Apiaka, Udumaga, Ariawa etc.
My guy, move on as Ika people have moved on. Now they give their kids lovely names such as
Nwachukwu, Ikechukwu, Ifeanyi, Chukwuka, Udoka, Chijindu, Ndubuisi, Chukwuma etc.

mbatuku2:

Sure about this?

Do you know that Onicha ppl arent indegineous to Anambra state? Onicha were Igbos who were indigineous to Bini but war and constant conflict drove them away from their own land.

NRI PRIEST:

Do you know that Onicha ppl arent indegineous to Anambra state? Onicha were Igbos who were indigineous to Bini but war and constant conflict drove them away from their own land.

Not indigenous to bini/edo but indigenous to area or land known as bini/edo land now.

nedu210: Not indigenous to bini/edo but indigenous to area or land known as bini/edo land now.

Are you still on this stuff?

Have you actually read Egharevba or are you just quoting some junk you read in articles online?

He claimed they met an inferior people in the land and adopted their language. That's what he wrote. It was his way of explaining how the supposedly superior "Egyptian" Binis became Edo speaking Binis. What Egharevba wrote would have no relevance to your claims. Binis don't speak any kind of Igboid language and the story as told by Egharevba doesn't involve any mystery groups to be conjectured about - it involves the supposedly "Egyptian" Binis and the group they supposedly hijacked their language from and incorporated into their group. Obviously that story is without any basis/support and is just an attempt on Egharevba's part to tie the Edo to Egypt while also explaining why the Edo no longer speak Egyptian. Claiming Onitsha were Igbos that were indigenous to Benin on the basis of Egharevba's work is laughable. And as I said earlier, there are Edoid groups whose languages are separated from Bini by millenia south of the Bini area.

ika names are for ika people , they are not your names , so leave it for ika people who want to bear these names , they might be achaic to you but not to our language or culture, you igbo people are never tired , you will tell an ika man which name to bear and you will even tell us our history , please clap for your selves.
this names are still in vogue for those who know and believe in ika culture , one of my relatives in owa-alizomor just named his baby boy two months ago as kpanmiorise- which means God i thank you.
like i have often said we as ika people have various origins ,but we have solidified it into a common ika ethnic nationality which majority of our people has keyed into since ancient times and that cannot be changed.
but still within our midst we have people who believe they are igbos that is welcomed ,as we also have those in the majority lets say 98 percent of ikas who believe they are just ika and the only socio-cultural organisation we know is onu/ogua ika. and the ika elders forum.we do not subscribe to ohaneze ndigbo and another place we go to is anioma meetings.
what igbos must know is that our cultural life and tradition of most ika people was given or taken from bini,so in view of a modern hatred by most igbos for any thing bini ,its not possible to remove ika from bini ,so also its not possible to remove certain igbo influence or aspect from ika.

^^^Igbo this. Ika that. Can we get a rest from this nonsense?

Dude I'm actually starting to doubt this youe claim of being an Ika man. Since you've been a member of this forum or to be precise since I've been a member of this forum, I've seen you battle other Ika's on this forum, most of them disagreeing with you and some just plain ignoring you but yet I watch you pass that disagreement as "igbo conspiracy". Dude, we are tired of you disturbing us on this forum. Speaking for Ika, let the rest of them join you, once that happens then you have voice. Right now, its just irritating and even making me doubtful of your so called origin claim.

Let us rest

it is good you are irritated , when i wrote ika names did i write on igbo names, why are you igbos pained by an ika like myself who believes in ika ,but you will hail an ogbuefi who also says he is igbo .well i am an unrepentant ika man ,just like nduka obaigbena my brother ,he too is an ika man proud to be that.if you doubt my ika hood , please this are my data,and i am proud to come from this place in owa which was founded by my forefathers- i am from idumu-ezomor village in owa -oyibu headquarters of owa kingdom in ika-north east local govt, my ancestor igbedigin was the second obi of owa he founded idumu-ezomor village and omigie my direct ancestor was one of his sons ,and the village is one of the royal villages in owa and about 90 percent of the village are my relatives the current head chief-the okibali/edionma is chief ikpekutu omigie ,my uncle.
this are some of the prominent sons of igbedigin- ojezua, omigie, buzugbe, omor, ovwiagbon,osunhon, ugbebor ,okojere, aimonagbone.
we have firm record of our family tree dating from the 13th century .
so ,please take note of my ikahood ,my family did not migrate into owa or ika just 200 or 300 years ago , we are ancient.
as for some igbos who believe ika people changed their names when bini conquered them, the conquest of ika by benin happened under oba esigie which was around 16th century led by ezomor agban who conquered agbor and most ika areas,but by 12/13th about 300 to 400 years before that time owa rulers have been bearing benin names such as
1. obi edogun/odogun
2. igbedigin
3. ewodo
4. ewuare
5.orhogbuwa
all this obis ruled owa about 400 years before benin became powerful to conquer ika.

it is good you are irritated , when i wrote ika names did i write on igbo names, why are you igbos pained by an ika like myself who believes in ika ,but you will hail an ogbuefi who also says he is igbo .well i am an unrepentant ika man ,just like nduka obaigbena my brother ,he too is an ika man proud to be that.if you doubt my ika hood , please this are my data,and i am proud to come from this place in owa which was founded by my forefathers- i am from idumu-ezomor village in owa -oyibu headquarters of owa kingdom in ika-north east local govt, my ancestor igbedigin was the second obi of owa he founded idumu-ezomor village and omigie my direct ancestor was one of his sons ,and the village is one of the royal villages in owa and about 90 percent of the village are my relatives the current head chief-the okibali/edionma is chief ikpekutu omigie ,my uncle.
this are some of the prominent sons of igbedigin- ojezua, omigie, buzugbe, omor, ovwiagbon,osunhon, ugbebor ,okojere, aimonagbone.
we have firm record of our family tree dating from the 13th century .
so ,please take note of my ikahood ,my family did not migrate into owa or ika just 200 or 300 years ago , we are ancient.
as for some igbos who believe ika people changed their names when bini conquered them, the conquest of ika by benin happened under oba esigie which was around 16th century led by ezomor agban who conquered agbor and most ika areas,but by 12/13th about 300 to 400 years before that time owa rulers have been bearing benin names such as
1. obi edogun/odogun
2. igbedigin
3. ewodo
4. ewuare
5.orhogbuwa
all this obis ruled owa about 400 years before benin became powerful to conquer ika.

agbotaen: it is good you are irritated , when i wrote ika names did i write on igbo names, why are you igbos pained by an ika like myself who believes in ika ,but you will hail an ogbuefi who also says he is igbo .well i am an unrepentant ika man ,just like nduka obaigbena my brother ,he too is an ika man proud to be that.if you doubt my ika hood , please this are my data,and i am proud to come from this place in owa which was founded by my forefathers- i am from idumu-ezomor village in owa -oyibu headquarters of owa kingdom in ika-north east local govt, my ancestor igbedigin was the second obi of owa he founded idumu-ezomor village and omigie my direct ancestor was one of his sons ,and the village is one of the royal villages in owa and about 90 percent of the village are my relatives the current head chief-the okibali/edionma is chief ikpekutu omigie ,my uncle.
this are some of the prominent sons of igbedigin- ojezua, omigie, buzugbe, omor, ovwiagbon,osunhon, ugbebor ,okojere, aimonagbone.
we have firm record of our family tree dating from the 13th century .
so ,please take note of my ikahood ,my family did not migrate into owa or ika just 200 or 300 years ago , we are ancient.
as for some igbos who believe ika people changed their names when bini conquered them, the conquest of ika by benin happened under oba esigie which was around 16th century led by ezomor agban who conquered agbor and most ika areas,but by 12/13th about 300 to 400 years before that time owa rulers have been bearing benin names such as
1. obi edogun/odogun
2. igbedigin
3. ewodo
4. ewuare
5.orhogbuwa
all this obis ruled owa about 400 years before benin became powerful to conquer ika.

Poor boy, are you a clown in real life or are you just making this effort in nairaland. When are you going to note that all this nonsense you post here makes a mockery of your self?. I think you need a help.

you are the igbo idiot on naira land .

1.it might be any thing to you but let it be noted that in 1966 ,majority of ika people rejected being igbo and they also helped the nigeria army to expell your igbo fathers from ika land , so get it right that no real ika man will go along with an igbo man in times of critical decision and so you and your ogbuefi from igbodo can continue to propagate any thing on ika,but you know what ika people call igbos igbon and so get it right ,that same word means same thing in edo language.

omonuan: I think it is easier to learn your Igbo dialect first and transition to central Igbo than vice versa.  Every Igbo dialect from Ika, Enuani, Ukwuani, Ikwerre has central Igbo coded into it. You just need adjustments. However, if you learn central Igbo first, you may get lost in your dialect. I know that outside Onitsha and Ogbaru (Anambra) and perhaps Oguta (Imo) and Ndoni (Rivers), other Igbo do not understand Delta Igbo dialects very well unless they are modified or adjusted for general understanding! Even when you modify the Delta Igbo, other Igbo sometimes laugh at you.

I remember two years ago, I was at Ihiala and a shop keeper said to me "Igbo gi e yere eye" meaning that my Igbo was not well done because I spoke a modified enuani dialect. Pat Utomi had the same problem at Ohaneze one time when some uninformed Igbo said that he was not speaking Igbo because he spoke Enuani. I have heard Delta Igbo called "koi-koi Igbo" by some other Igbo too even in this forum.

I am proud of my Igbo heritage but I resent it sometimes when my dialect is disparaged by my brothers accross the Niger. Although, Anioma people are equally guilty of the demeaning references but I believe, it is more prevalent amongst the SE Igbo.

I am from the Coal City area, and I speak the wawa dialect plus the central dialect of 042...
Just want to tell you I love the Delta Igbo dialects!!
To pieces!!

@agbotaen. pls i think it time you down your weapons, let us hear from other Ika people to believe. your one man squad is beginning to look like an opinionated paper. However there is no clan or town in the east or across the Niger that is call Igbo. nobody speaks Igbo rather we speak different dialects, it is a collection of it that is referred to as Igbo language, hence the term Igbo people. just like your dialect is slightly different from Igbo language so are others. if you look at yourself and decides not to be Igbo am sure everybody understands but try to understand that some Ikas' see themselves as Igbo. I have a friend who is from igbouzo who claims bini too, yet her sister told me they move from Isu in anambra(according to her that's what their grandfather said)so she is igbo. Nobody has denied my friend her bini citizenship. You can be whoever you want, you don't owe anybody an apology or explanation, but do stop insulting others who don't feel like you.

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@agbotaen. pls i think it time you down your weapons, let us hear from other Ika people to believe. your one man squad is beginning to look like an opinionated paper. However there is no clan or town in the east or across the Niger that is call Igbo. nobody speaks Igbo rather we speak different dialects, it is a collection of it that is referred to as Igbo language, hence the term Igbo people. just like your dialect is slightly different from Igbo language so are others. if you look at yourself and decides not to be Igbo am sure everybody understands but try to understand that some Ikas' see themselves as Igbo. I have a friend who is from igbouzo who claims bini too, yet her sister told me they move from Isu in anambra(according to her that's what their grandfather said)so she is igbo. Nobody has denied my friend her bini citizenship. You can be whoever you want, you don't owe anybody an apology or explanation, but do stop insulting others who don't feel like you.

For a group of bini immigrant slaves claiming to have found a town and yet lose their language is simply a HOAX.This can only happen if there was already a group in great numbers of igbo settlers in that town.All those claiming bini migration dont speak bini but a dialect of igbo.In the case of agbor and some other few igbo towns in delta state sharing the same boundry with edo state dont also speak bini but a dialect of igbo with very few borrowed bini words.this case is similar to that of Arochukwu in abia state with close boundry with akwa ibom....All those stories of bini migration are being propagated by the anti igbo historians notably Emeka Esogbue,Dr Kunirum Osia and their bigot mentors (I doubt if he is a historian).when you read other historical accounts of historians from delta state like Don ohadike,onwatuegwu they will categorically tell you that these igbo towns in delta state are truly inhabited by igbo people.I do visit Ika websites and i have gone through their various forums there and finally you will also see that not all share the same opinion with Agbotaen.

Where is the best restaurant in Agbor?

we did not loose our language , it was only mixed as proper ika is a mix of edo and igbo , it is diferent from igbo language and any ika that speaks igbo learnt it , period ,
ki re me i ?
irehun ro ?
dodo lihi,
irehun mmaka re me i ,
akpanmike kwo i ,
ya kwankor mmani,
ya hunkor odoboro,
ise.
this is basic owa dialect, if proper owa dialect is spoken an igbo person will only understand a little, but because ika language is being overly influenced by our near neigbours most igbos believe that ika is igbo , it is not .

agbotaen: we did not loose our language , it was only mixed as proper ika is a mix of edo and igbo , it is diferent from igbo language and any ika that speaks igbo learnt it , period ,
ki re me i ?
irehun ro ?
dodo lihi,
irehun mmaka re me i ,
akpanmike kwo i ,
ya kwankor mmani,
ya hunkor odoboro,
ise.
this is basic owa dialect, if proper owa dialect is spoken an igbo person will only understand a little, but because ika language is being overly influenced by our near neigbours most igbos believe that ika is igbo , it is not .

Shut up. Every well travelled igboman can understand ika( when i say ika,i mean real ika,not those rubbish u fill this forum with), and any ika can understand central igbo and idemili/onitsha dialects. But no bini can understand any ika dialect,not even igbanke dialect. Any bini that understands igbanke must ve learnt it,but any well travelled igboman can understand igbanke without first learning it.

Agbontae,you are a bastard for feeding people with rubbish as ika dialect.

OMU EBON NKENYI SIKE AKA NMA NNU LE OGIRI AKA OFE,OFU OBI MU IKEN ENYI.

The above is an example of igbanke(ika) dialect. Igbanke is in edo state,so they are basically surrounded by binis, yet their language is still igbo in all aspects. Any igbo with a good knowledge of many igbo dialects can inteprete that sentence above.