TAO12:
Liar;

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Show me NOW.

KingOKON:
Ogane weed, Ogane weed, ogane weed

TAO12:
Liar;

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Show me NOW.

KingOKON:
Lunatic.
Stop smoking Ogane WEED

TAO12:
Liar;

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Show me NOW.

KingOKON:
Lunatic.
Stop smoking Ogane WEED

TAO12:
Liar;

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Show me NOW.

KingOKON:
.Lunatic.
Stop smoking Ogane WEED

TAO12:
Liar;

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Show me NOW.

TAO12:
Liar;

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Show me NOW.

KingOKON:
.

Smoke some more Ogane weed you go see am

TAO12:
Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period. Show me NOW.

gregyboy:
No European penetrated africa prior to 1470 AD... But when they did they visited all vital useful areas,

Just the way the Itsekiris introduced a vital country benin kingdom to Portuguese …

… same way the benin introduced the oghene to europeans, the europeans would have visited but they knew the benins were talking on some myth

they were even giving the location by binis to the east which was opposite of ife
But you say east is west and west is east..

I nor know wetin i go do again

But you my friend on some ogene strong shit...
You want to turn myth to truth...

gregyboy:



No European penetrated africa prior to 1470 AD... But when they did they visited all vital useful areas,

Just the way the Itsekiris introduced a vital country benin kingdom to Portuguese same way the benin introduced the oghene to europeans, the europeans would have visited but they knew the benins were talking on some. myth they were even giving the location by binis to the east which was opposite of ife....

But you say east is west and west is east..

I nor know wetin i go do again

But you my friend on some ogene strong shit...
You want to turn myth to truth...



KingOkon

Abohboy:
They made contact with the Ijebus through Lagos in the 1600s and prior to that they were told by those in the Mali Empire of a large and powerful empire in the forest and we now know that they were either talking about the Ijebu or Ife you cannot discount that fact

TAO12:
You’re giving the impression that they penetrated into the interior of Africa from 1470 onwards. That’s a big, fat, huge LIE.

Show me the European who penetrated from near the coast into the interior of Africa from the 1470s to the 1790s.

And if you can’t find one (of course you can’t), then a sane person would read up to understand why the Europeans didn’t dare penetrate deep from the coast areas into the deep forest interior until the late 1790s/early 1800s.

Yes the Benin kingdom of the time was from the coast of Ughoton and goes as far as probably Auchi.

So, the Europeans once in a while visit the capital city while remaining at Ughoton most times for their trade.

The Europeans traded with anyone (as long as they’re not too far off from the coast — whether it’s a village or it’s a kingdom).

Some of the many villages not for off from the coast whom Europeans traded with in the early centuries are: Cape-Palmas, Cape-Three Points, Komenda, etc.

At this point, a sane mind would ponder why they had trading relationships with places not far off from the coast (whether village or kingdom) from the west side to central Africa; but never daring to penetrate too deep into the deeply forested interior.


It would be MyTh IF and only IF the Benin king himself is a MyTH — because the conversation with the Bini ambassador(s) is about who is the most powerful king in the Guinea forest. And the answer given by the Bini ambassador is:

Ọghẹnẹ (classical Bini rendition), Ọghọni (the classical Yoruba rendition), Ogané/Hooguanee (the Portuguese rendition given in the texts).

Also, the conversation about this most powerful king continued for centuries. The Ooni was finally met in the 1800s at a time when Europeans could now reach the deepest parts of the West African forest interior.

LMAO! No, east is NOT west, and west is NOT east. And I never said it is.

The clarification from the consensus of the scholars of historical scholarship, instead, is as follows:

Ife is known by the epithet “ibi ojumo ti n mo wa” (i.e the place from whence the dawn comes) throughout the Gulf of Guinea; not only in Benin kingdom.

Refer to the oba’s dawn prayers where he expresses the connection between Ife in particular (and Yoruba land in general) with the dawn/rising-sun.

Thus, the description of the Ogané’s base (as the place from where the sun rises) as given by the Binis (to the Portuguese) is not a geographical/literal description; but rather religious/reverential.

However, the Europeans whom this description was given to received same non-literal description from a literalist European point of view. Hence the presence of the word “east” in the early Portuguese’s writings.

In addition to this clarification, maps drawn during the same period by other Europeans (e.g. the French) clearly shows the “Ogane’s Dominion” on the western side of Benin (over a vast expanse of the Nigeria area and beyond). Now you gerrit.

Get a grip.

Peace! ✌

TAO12:
(1) They Portuguese made contact with Ijebu directly since the 1500s — not through anyone.

(2)

Abohboy:
I would have agreed with you had I just not searched Oghene and when I searched it says Oghene is the supreme God of the Urhobo and Isoko people so are you sure about your sources?

Abohboy:
Lagos is not a person now is it? I said that the location in which they met the Ijebu was Lagos

Abohboy:


They made contact with the Ijebus through Lagos in the 1600s and prior to that they were told by those in the Mali Empire of a large and powerful empire in the forest and we now know that they were either talking about the Ijebu or Ife you cannot discount that fact

KingOKON:
.

Imagine not even Old oyo it is Ijebu or Ife, what were you taught in primary school about assumptions?

TAO12:
You’re giving the impression that they penetrated into the interior of Africa from 1470 onwards. That’s a big, fat, huge LIE.

Show me the European who penetrated from near the coast into the interior of Africa from the 1470s to the 1790s.

And if you can’t find one (of course you can’t), then a sane person would read up to understand why the Europeans didn’t dare penetrate deep from the coast areas into the deep forest interior until the late 1790s/early 1800s.

Yes the Benin kingdom of the time was from the coast of Ughoton and goes as far as probably Auchi.

So, the Europeans once in a while visit the capital city while remaining at Ughoton most times for their trade.

The Europeans traded with anyone (as long as they’re not too far off from the coast — whether it’s a village or it’s a kingdom).

Some of the many villages not for off from the coast whom Europeans traded with in the early centuries are: Cape-Palmas, Cape-Three Points, Komenda, etc.

At this point, a sane mind would ponder why they had trading relationships with places not far off from the coast (whether village or kingdom) from the west side to central Africa; but never daring to penetrate too deep into the deeply forested interior.


It would be MyTh IF and only IF the Benin king himself is a MyTH — because the conversation with the Bini ambassador(s) is about who is the most powerful king in the Guinea forest. And the answer given by the Bini ambassador is:

Ọghẹnẹ (classical Bini rendition), Ọghọni (the classical Yoruba rendition), Ogané/Hooguanee (the Portuguese rendition given in the texts).

Also, the conversation about this most powerful king continued for centuries. The Ooni was finally met in the 1800s at a time when Europeans could now reach the deepest parts of the West African forest interior.

LMAO! No, east is NOT west, and west is NOT east. And I never said it is.

The clarification from the consensus of the scholars of historical scholarship, instead, is as follows:

Ife is known by the epithet “ibi ojumo ti n mo wa” (i.e the place from whence the dawn comes) throughout the Gulf of Guinea; not only in Benin kingdom.

Refer to the oba’s dawn prayers where he expresses the connection between Ife in particular (and Yoruba land in general) with the dawn/rising-sun.

Thus, the description of the Ogané’s base (as the place from where the sun rises) as given by the Binis (to the Portuguese) is not a geographical/literal description; but rather religious/reverential.

However, the Europeans whom this description was given to received same non-literal description from a literalist European point of view. Hence the presence of the word “east” in the early Portuguese’s writings.

In addition to this clarification, maps drawn during the same period by other Europeans (e.g. the French) clearly shows the “Ogane’s Dominion” on the western side of Benin (over a vast expanse of the Nigeria area and beyond). Now you gerrit.

Get a grip.

Peace! ✌

KingOKON:
[s]Never in my life have I read anything as gibberish as this
You are an expert in cooking and dishing out historical concoction[/s]

Abohboy:
Old Oyo is too far inland for the British and technically so is Ife only the Ijebu were at the coast

Abohboy:


Old Oyo is too far inland for the British and technically so is Ife only the Ijebu were at the coast

TAO12:
You need consolation prize? See attached.

KingOKON:
"...However, the Europeans whom this description was given to received same non-literal description from a literalist European point of view. Hence the presence of the word “east” in the early Portuguese’s writings...".
[s]Even the DEVIL can't stand you when it comes lies
This only happens when Ogane WEED is being SMOKED at maximum strength....[/s]

Ife is known by the epithet “ibi ojumo ti n mo wa” (i.e the place from where the dawn comes) for a huge part of the Gulf of Guinea; not only in Benin kingdom.

~ Refer to the oba’s dawn prayers where he expresses the connection between Ife in particular (and Yoruba land in general) AND the dawn/rising-sun.

Thus, the description of the Ogané’s base (the place from where the sun rises) as given by the Binis (to the Portuguese) is not a geographical/literal description; but rather religious/reverential.

However, the Europeans to whom this description was given received same non-literal description from a literalist European point of view. Hence the presence of the word “east” in the early Portuguese’s writings.

In addition to this clarification, maps drawn during the same period by other Europeans (e.g. the French) clearly shows the “Ogane’s Dominion” on the western side of Benin (over a vast expanse of the Nigeria area and beyond). Now you gerrit.

Get a grip.

TAO12:
I get it.

You are already caught up in the bitter pill syndrome.

You will probably wake up in heaven. Sorry oo.

Ife is known by the epithet “ibi ojumo ti n mo wa” (i.e the place from whence the dawn comes) for a huge part of the Gulf of Guinea; not only in Benin kingdom.

~ Refer to the oba’s dawn prayers where he expresses the connection between Ife in particular (and Yoruba land in general) AND the dawn/rising-sun.

Thus, the description of the Ogané’s base (the place from where the sun rises) as given by the Binis (to the Portuguese) is not a geographical/literal description; but rather religious/reverential.

However, the Europeans to whom this description was given received same non-literal description from a literalist European point of view. Hence the presence of the word “east” in the early Portuguese’s writings.

In addition to this clarification, maps drawn during the same period by other Europeans (e.g. the French) clearly shows the “Ogane’s Dominion” on the western side of Benin (over a vast expanse of the Nigeria area and beyond). Now you gerrit.

Get a grip.

TAO12:
Whether person or land, the Portuguese didn’t have to go via Lagos (which at the time was only the island); Ijebus’s territory was up to the Atlantic coast as well.

The Europeans had direct contact with the Ijebu-Ode kingdom from the late-1400s when Duarte Pacheco Pereira went there to see the king, the city, the moat, etc.

Cc: Abohboy.

KingOKON:
by the epithet “ibi ojumo ti n mo wa” (i.e the place from whence the dawn comes)

.......Is this Yoruba or what

KingOKON:
Saw Ijebu what in 1400s, why do you LIE more than SATAN?