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Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by TAO11(f): 5:13pm On Sep 22, 2021 |
(1) Regarding the name “Igodomigodo,” “Aka,” Edo,” “Ado,” etc.: First of all, the name “Igodomigodo” doesn’t exist in any writing until relatively recent times. Secondly, the name “Ado” is Benin’s name according to the Ife-Yoruba ruling dynasty of Benin. It is not some name used exclusively by some Yoruba living outside of Benin city. See attachment below for some eyewitness context of its usage by Binis. (2) Regarding Ginuwa’s Ife-Yoruba patrilineal descent: This has been detailed below in my second comment vis-a-vis the “actual crown” of the Itsekiri nation. The Yoruba word “Olu” — lit. “The Premier” — is also another evidence which bolsters this evidence. The Bini word “Ogiame”, on the other hand, accounts for the linguistic assimilation of the Ife dynastic line in the Benin socio-cultural environment. (3) Regarding the alleged conquest of some villages & settlements in the Eastern Yoruba area by Benin: IF by “conquered” what is meant is to emerge as winner during invasion; then Benin would be regarded as having “conquered” some eastern Yoruba villages/settlements. Also, some of the same villages/settlements would likewise be regarded as having sometimes also “conquered” Benin during the Benin invasions. Moreover, the same definition of “conquered” would imply that Ogedengbe conquered Benin kingdom or at least regions of Benin kingdom when he invaded Benin kingdom. It would also mean the Aje from Ibadan conquered Benin kingdom or at least regions of it when he invaded Benin kingdom. IF by “conquered” what is meant is to have ruled some eastern Yoruba villages/settlements; then this is not substantiated by historical evidence. See link below for details. https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/1#105140109 Cc: lx3as, Mraphel 6 Likes
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Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by TAO11(f): 5:28pm On Sep 22, 2021 |
Lieutenant John King, R.N. who visited the Benin area sometimes between 1815 and 1820 has the following to say about the actual crown (i.e. the primary/initial crown) of the Itsekiri nation: “At Warri "the actual crown of the sovereign is a sort of large cap in the shape of a cone three feet high, covered with coral beads and with a couple of birds' heads on top" (King).”. ~ John King, c.1817, cited in H. L. Roth, Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts, and Horrors, (1903), p.27, note 1. This description of the primary Itsekiri crown (from J. King’s eyewitness observation) matches nothing else but the signature Yoruba crowns popularly known as: Adé-Ńlá which is said by the Yoruba kingdoms holding them to be the actual crown (design) with which the Ife princes originally left Ife to establish their own respective kingdom. These Ade-Nla crowns are usually adorned only once during sacred installation rites by the kingdoms who hold such jewels. An example of what Ade-Nla crowns look like is as attached below. The logical implication of the foregoing information is that this primary (or “actual”) crown of the Itsekiris is the actual crown (among his royal share) with which Ginuwa left the Benin palace in the mid/late-1400. It then follows logically that the Benin palace itself is a Yoruba place (in a foreign land) as have been noted by the early received Benin traditions as well as the Yoruba traditions which notes that Ade-Nla was given to the princes from IFE as a part of their royal gifts. This explains, more clearly, why his (Ginuwa’s) group was accepted by the autochthonous group of the land without any resistance — i.e. an Ade-Nla crown which established his legitimacy as a “son” of Oodua. History proves itself again for the umpteenth time. Cc: lx3as 6 Likes 3 Shares
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Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by samuk: 2:06pm On Sep 23, 2021 |
TAO11: You are so full of sxxxxt. You gave a reference that described Warri crown and went ahead to claim it as Yoruba even when your reference never said so. This is how you deceive your brain dead gullible followers. The new Olu of Warri told your Ooni and the world that his lineage is from Benin during his coronation speech. Mind you, Oba of Benin was not in attendance but the representative of the Benin monarch performed their role. What role did the Ooni and Yoruba performed, the new Olu almost didn't get the crown simply because his mother is Yoruba. You also produce a reference to Oba Ovonramwen calling on his father Oba Adolor and without any reference to Yoruba or Ife but like always, you dubiously inserted that the Benin monarch was of Yoruba origin. The Benin/Ife Oduduwa myth started after the reigns of Oba Ovonramwen. Your reference in which Oba Ovonramwen called on his father, the late Oba Adolor and not Oduduwa should have been enough reason for you to know that any reference to Ife/Oduduwa in Benin history only began after Oba Ovonramwen. ODUDUWA, IFE, OONI AND ORANMIYAN are not mentioned in Benin history until after the reign of Oba Ovonramwen. Benin/Ife connection was created in late 1890s, same period the history of Oduduwa was written by Samuel Johnson drawing inspiration from Sultan Bello of Sokoto narrative of the origin of Yoruba written around 1824. 1 Like |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by TAO11(f): 4:05pm On Sep 23, 2021 |
samuk:This one is here still fighting his inner demons. I thought you had something new to say. I was very disappointed to find that it’s your usual self-consoling crap over which I have repeatedly humiliated you. Facts beat Rants any day my dear. Cc: lx3as 9 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by TAO11(f): 4:42pm On Sep 23, 2021 |
APPENDIX: (1) None of the following names of Benin obas appeared in Benin writing until after the reign of Ovonramwen. And not all even appeared by that date. Eweka I Uwuakhuahen Henmihen Ewedo Oguola Edoni Udagbedo Ohen Egbeka Orobiru Uwaifiokun Ewuare I Ezoti Olua Ozolua Esigie Orhogbua Ehengbuda Ohuan Ohenzae Akenkpaye Akengbedo Ore-Oghene Ewuakpe Ozuere Akenzua I Eresoyen Akengbuda Obanosa Ogbebo Osemwende @samuk should worry that these so-called obas have nothing to do with Benin kingdom, right? LMAO. (2) Refer to the link below for details of how @samuk’s rant has been repeatedly dumped in the trash where it rightly belongs. https://www.nairaland.com/6735359/historical-narrative-oduduwa#105492892 ✌ Cc: lx3as 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by macof(m): 4:59pm On Sep 23, 2021 |
TAO11: You can feel his pains in the realisation that the warri kingdom once used a Yoruba crown 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by TAO11(f): 5:12pm On Sep 23, 2021 |
macof:I swear. Very apparent he couldn’t veil it. 1 Like |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by sylve11: 6:00pm On Sep 23, 2021 |
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Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by samuk: 6:05pm On Sep 23, 2021 |
macof: This is despite the fact that the new Olu told your Ooni and the entire world the history of the Warri crown in his widely televised coronation speech. According to the new Olu, the Warri monarchy have used three crowns since inception. 1. The first was brought from Benin by Ginuwa, a Benin prince who is the ancestors of Warri monarchs 2. Silver crown imported from Portugal around the 1700s, this was the one that was stolen recently. 3. The current golden crown used in this year's coronation after the silver crown was stolen. There is no reference to Yoruba crown in the history of Warri crowns as narrated by the new Olu. If you guys can lie about what was recently narrated by the new Olu in just few weeks back, I only pity anyone that believe your stories. The coronation speech is all over the internet, go and watch and listen to it on YouTube and stop making fool of yourselves on Nairaland. Rather it's me that feels your pains, you guys tried claiming Benin, the Oba deny being Yoruba, you tried claiming Itsekiri, the Olu denied being Yoruba, insisting his ancestors are Benin, Oba of Lagos claims Benin ancestry. What is left for you guys? Maybe it's time, you start telling us about Ijebu, Oyo, Ekiti and other Yoruba clans history instead of trying to steal what are not yours, stop claiming other people's greatness and tell us about your own history devoid of old Benin empire. Don't Yoruba have history devoid of Benin? Don't be ashamed, there are those here that enjoy fairytales which Yoruba history are mostly about. 3 Likes |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by macof(m): 7:27pm On Sep 23, 2021 |
samuk: Below is an eye witness account as shared by your Lord and Master Tao Shey you are always asking for EuRoPeaN EyewiTnEss aCcoUnt TAO11: Send your grievances to the proper chanel 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by samuk: 10:01pm On Sep 23, 2021 |
macof: The eyewitness account didn't say the crown was of Yoruba origin. If you are not slow, you would have noticed that TAO11 is the one that concluded that the crown was of Yoruba origin. Guy you are not very smart, I must admit. An Itsekiri prince was taken through hell that he eventually shed tears during his coronation just because he was unfortunate to have been born by a Yoruba woman, yet you guys are shamelessly claiming Itsekiri monarchy. Do you guys even know the meaning of shame. The Itsekiri royalty was so protective of their heritage that they enacted a law banning any prince whose mother is not Itsekiri or of Edo origin from becoming an Olu, the current Olu almost lost the throne because his mother is Yoruba, yet you guys are still claiming Itsekiri monarchy as Yoruba. You claim Oba of Benin to be Yoruba yet you can't point to any Oba of Benin with a Yoruba name. You claim that the official language of the Benin Palace was Yoruba, yet you can't name any Benin prince or princess in history with a Yoruba name. 2 Likes |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by macof(m): 10:12pm On Sep 23, 2021 |
samuk: Does this match the description or not? www.nairaland.com/attachments/14263895_3a9b4cf8dca942e5a0762f5c302a0601_jpeg_jpegdb4fa1f0bb8140b17bd29663de4838c6 1 Like |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by samuk: 10:15pm On Sep 23, 2021 |
macof: The same way you guys said East match the description of West You guys are more than comedians, you are trying your hands on magic by trying to convert East to West. Anybody that can claim a location East is now West are capable of any lies and shouldn't be taken seriously. |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by macof(m): 10:47pm On Sep 23, 2021 |
samuk: Case closed then We all know what the answer to my question is 2 Likes |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by TAO11(f): 11:02pm On Sep 23, 2021 |
macof: My heart goes out to the poor Benin boy. ————— More PTSD For Him: “At Warri "the actual crown of the sovereign is a sort of large cap in the shape of a cone three feet high, covered with coral beads and with a couple of birds' heads on top" (King).”. ~ John King, c.1817, cited in H. L. Roth, Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts, and Horrors, (1903), p.27, note 1. An example of an Ade-Nla is attached below. In other words, the first crown of the Itsekiri nation is a Yoruba Ade-Nla crown. In sum, the Benin palace (from where Ginuwa left for Ode-Itsekiri) derived the aforementioned crown from Yorubaland — Ile-Ife to be precise. ✌ Cc: lx3as 2 Likes
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Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by samuk: 8:03am On Sep 24, 2021 |
TAO11: The Yoruba are the ones that copied from the old Benin empire. The Itsekiri monarchy whose eyewitness historical accounts is older than both Ife and Oyo historical eyewitness accounts couldn't have copied from Yoruba. Itsekiri eyewitness historical accounts is older than Ife and Oyo eyewitness historical accounts. Show us Oyo and Ife eyewitness historical accounts dating to this period of 1817 you cited. The Yoruba copy and try to steal what they copied as theirs. Show us Oyo and Ife eyewitness historical accounts older than that of Itsekiri Benin dynasty ascribing the described crown to Yoruba. You copied from both Benin and Itsekiri that are much older than you, over 400 years eyewitness historical evidence older than Yoruba and then turn around to say your elders copied from you. Show us Ife and Oyo eyewitness historical evidence earlier than 1824. 1824 is when Oyo and Ife eyewitness historical accounts began. It's always important to put these dates out to inform the less informed you guys are trying to deceive. 1 Like |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by samuk: 8:16am On Sep 24, 2021 |
Yoruba eyewitness historical accounts began in 1824. Benin and Itsekiri eyewitness historical accounts dates back to the 1400s There is over 400 years gap between Benin/Itsekiri and Oyo/Ife history. Benin/Itsekiri eyewitness historical evidence is 400 years older than Oyo/Ife eyewitness historical evidence. People whose history and influence is 400 years older than yours couldn't have copied from you. It's you that copied from your much older kingdoms and try to dubiously reverse the history in your favour. Unfortunately, no matter how hard Yoruba try to steal and reverse Benin history, they will never have the historical evidence to back up their lies. 1 Like |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by TAO11(f): 12:14pm On Sep 24, 2021 |
A Summary of Samuk’s Humiliation: Me: The attached is an example of a Yoruba crown — Ade-Nla. Samuk: Yes! But Me: But what? Samuk: I think what happened was that the crown attached is an example of an Edo crown. So therefore, you Yorubas actually borrowed and stole that crown style from us Edos. Me: For real? Please tell me more tales. To make life easy for you, please pick any Edoid area of your choice and show me an example of the use of such attached Ade-Nla crown there. LMAO. Samuk: [Scratches Head]. Me: In that case, I will have to wait patiently for your next gymnastics. Till then, my name remains TAO11, Your Lord & Your Master. ✌ Cc: lx3as 6 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by samuk: 5:52pm On Sep 24, 2021 |
TAO11: It's very satisfying to know that you and your fellow Yoruba revisionists are now caged and trapped within the period of the 1800s when your lies started. Make any claim going forward and you will be requested for an eyewitness historical accounts to back up your claims. You know Yoruba eyewitness historical evidence doesn't go earlier than 1824. 1824 is when your eyewitness historical evidence began. Benin will continue to be 400 years your senior in written history. No matter what you claim, you can't prove it earlier than 1824. 1824 is as far back Oyo/Ife eyewitness historical accounts goes. Benin goes back to the 1400s. You can run along now and look for your mate to debate. |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by TAO11(f): 6:16pm On Sep 24, 2021 |
Cite a BeNiN eyewitness account from the 1400s. I am waiting. samuk:• Below is the actual discourse anyways. Deal with it: A Summary of Samuk’s Humiliation: Me: The attached is an example of a Yoruba crown — Ade-Nla. Samuk: Yes! But Me: But what? Samuk: I think what happened was that the crown attached is an example of an Edo crown. So therefore, you Yorubas actually borrowed and stole that crown style from us Edos. Me: For real? Please tell me more tales. To make life easy for you, please pick any Edoid area of your choice and show me an example of the use of such attached Ade-Nla crown there. LMAO. Samuk: [Scratches Head]. Me: In that case, I will have to wait patiently for your next gymnastics. Till then, my name remains TAO11, Your Lord & Your Master. ✌ 4 Likes 1 Share
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Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by samuk: 11:56pm On Sep 24, 2021 |
Another short story of Oduduwa coming from the middle east. Yoruba should concentrate on their myths/fairytales and leave Benin who actually have real history alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FttmujJ7P3I |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by TAO11(f): 12:46am On Sep 25, 2021 |
What a failed attempt at damage control. When a Bini gets humiliated in public, s(he) flees quietly to another subject only to revive more humiliation. Your YouTube narrator [abi she be EUrOpEaN eYeWiT-nEsS AcCoUnT? ] states at time-stamp 0:09 that a certain Lamurudu is Oduduwa’s father. Guess what samuk, the earliest written account of origin of the Binis [NOT your obas] says “the Bini came from a place north of the Niger originally, and lived under a King Lamorodu.” Lmao! This is the earliest written traditions of origin of your daddies, collected from your daddies by a EuRoPeAn. —————— As such, you should perhaps expend your energy on finding the origins of your daddies and mommies and why they were conquered & ruled by a supposed Arab king Lamorodu. Lmao! Or you should focus on why and how Idubor (Esigie’s brother) uprooted palm trees with bare hands. I died. Cc: macof 8 Likes 1 Share
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Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Nobody: 11:57am On Sep 25, 2021 |
Mraphel:No 1) True but that doesn't make them Yoruba, Yoruba is a majority ethnic group hence the influence No 2). False, they are actually originally Binis(by ancestors) but they speak the Yoruba language due to its population. No 3) the Oba of Bini kingship title is actually originally a Bini kingship title that some Yoruba kings appropriated cos of Bini empire dominance in the past, in fact the oba of Lagos was a Bini man in the past, he then lost his identity and became Yoruba then the other Yoruba kings started claiming an "oba" title. No 4) False The Ogun religion is a Bini religion. No bini traditionalist person worships any other god like the ones you listed apart from Ogun. None of those god's are worshipped in any part of Edo state including the 2 Yoruba speaking towns in the state No 5). False No 6). I don't know about that(no opinion or fact) No 7). Falllllllssssssseee!!!!! No Edo or Bini person bears Yoruba surnames Where are you getting this rubbish from? You just make up things in your head Tao11 Tao12 |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Ayorichodua: 12:30pm On Sep 25, 2021 |
dangotesmummy:. Yes because they are yorubas |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Ayorichodua: 12:31pm On Sep 25, 2021 |
Think4Myself:oba of Benin is a Yoruba man 2 Likes |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by BornRicch(m): 12:36pm On Sep 25, 2021 |
Ayorichodua:Fool get a job. Benin or Yoruba would not put food on your table. Afonja back stabber. |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Ayorichodua: 12:58pm On Sep 25, 2021 |
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Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by TAO11(f): 1:45pm On Sep 25, 2021 |
Ayorichodua:Everyone knows this. 6 Likes |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Nobody: 3:07pm On Sep 25, 2021 |
Ayorichodua:Wrong, oba of Lagos is a Bini man 1 Like |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by macof(m): 4:29pm On Sep 25, 2021 |
Think4Myself: Lol. Oba of Lagos is descended from Ologun Kutere, who's father was from Ìjẹ̀ṣà and mother was the Princess Erelu. Erelu's father was Ado, her mother from ibefun Ado's father Ashipa, an awori from Iṣẹri.. It was his mother who was a Benin princess. Following this genealogy, I don't know how the obas of Lagos of the Ologun Kutere Dynasty are Bini o 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by Oghodua: 5:04pm On Sep 25, 2021 |
Ayorichodua:The Oba of Benin is a pure Edo man from Oza 12 Likes 6 Shares |
Re: The main reasons Yoruba not enlisted as a tribe in Edo state by TAO11(f): 6:44pm On Sep 25, 2021 |
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