alphaNomega:
No. It should not. Does your phone or generator user manual use figure of speech when guiding on how to safely use it?

A book that supposedly guides human beings as we interact among ourselves should not use figures of speech without clearly explaining what it means

And that's your own problem of your own making.

Funny enough, manuals do employ figures of when they say their products will last forever when used as directed.

So right now you are being ridiculous because for all intents and purposes, A Writer has a Right to Freely employ any literary device, whether figures of speech, poems, rhymes, idioms etc of his own choosing.

When you write your own manual, you can choose to be robotic about it, As Long As you are Free to Write it in any way and manner you so choose in exercise of your Natural Rights and No One has a Right to Challenge your Rights.

budaatum:


Which is why the Scientist Jesus Christ is written to have said, "unless you become as a child", which means, abandon your preconceptions.

Unfortunately, those preconceptions are so engrained, having been fed to most from inside the womb and in their breast milk, that abandoning them is as difficult as threading a camel through a needles eye, but thankfully that does not mean it's impossible.

We Nigerians need to be taught to ask and knock and seek, which is the exact definition of science, instead of ignorantly believing our preconceptions.

There are people who believe in science than they believe God
There are others who believe in God than they believe science
While there are people who oppose God and oppose science as well

Dtruthspeaker:


And that's your own problem of your own making.

Funny enough, manuals do employ figures of when they say their products will last forever when used as directed.

So right now you are being ridiculous because for all intents and purposes, A Writer has a Right to Freely employ any literary device, whether figures of speech, poems, rhymes, idioms etc of his own choosing.

When you write your own manual, you can choose to be robotic about it, As Long As you are Free to Write it in any way and manner you so choose in exercise of your Natural Rights and No One has a Right to Challenge your Rights.

Kindly show me one user manual that does this @bolded.

If your generator manual wants to guide on how to do an engine oil change. The steps are outlined, sometimes with diagrams, so you know exactly what you are doing.

A book that claims to guide human beings on how best to live life on earth is filled with figures of speech? That's why I call the Bible a book of fake stories.

It's funny because your signature states there is no valid argument against the truth. You just did a copy and paste of that quote from somewhere without understanding what it means. If you did, you would not be tying to prove the Bible as true

alphaNomega:
Science does not need you to believe for it to be true or not, so you have to remove that "believers" of science part from your post.

For example, "The earth is not flat", whether you believe it or not, this statement is true.

Unlike some religious text that requires you to believe a snake was talking to a woman, or a donkey was speaking to a prophet.

Science does not need you to believe. Reason why scientists said the universe came into being after an explosion. They didn't want us to just believe this, so they showed us the video of that big bang taking place.

HedwigesMaduro:


Science does not need you to believe. Reason why scientists said the universe came into being after an explosion. They didn't want us to just believe this, so they showed us the video of that big bang taking place.

The big bang theory.

What video are you talking about?

alphaNomega:


The big bang theory.

What video are you talking about?

The video showing the big bang. You know, science doesn't want us to just believe it. Like the op said.

alphaNomega:
Kindly show me one user manual that does this @bolded.

I'll give you more than one.
"for best use; suitable for all purposes, for wrist watches and Bluetooth speakers- "water proof", can be used for all devices" etc

alphaNomega:

If your generator manual wants to guide on how to do an engine oil change. The steps are outlined, sometimes with diagrams, so you know exactly what you are doing.

That is their own style but surely my Invicta Wristwatch, Ceiling fans, standing fans did not.

alphaNomega:

A book that claims to guide human beings on how best to live life on earth is filled with figures of speech? That's why I call the Bible a book of fake stories.

Does it guide or it does not? Undisputable it does!

So does the addition of stories detract from it's guidance? No, it does not.

For even without those stories, it would still be a guide.

And the only problem you have with the Bible, is because, it Said "You will be Punished for all your evils." Exactly as a Thief, desiring to steal, hopes that he shall not be punished for it if caught, will definitely hate the Bible as an earthworm can never like salt.

That is all your problem with the Bible.

No one has any Reasonable Complaint against it other than the fact that they are criminals seeking to commit crimes and hoping to escape with both the fruits of their crimes and the judgement for it.

But the Bible says, You Will Never Escape, even if death on earth occurs.

That is why you people do not like the Bible.

alphaNomega:

It's funny because your signature states there is no valid argument against the truth. You just did a copy and paste of that quote from somewhere without understanding what it means. If you did, you would not be tying to prove the Bible as true

I do and it always proven as you yourself have indeed Proven it, THAT IN TRUTH AND HONESTY AND REASONBILITY AND VALIDITY, that People are not successful in TRUTH FULLY rebutting my position on a matter.

They must either Fall Silent or Move from Post to Post exactly as you had done. Moving backwards, from "Complaint about my knowledge of the statement "there is no valid argument against The Truth to Complaint about the Bible being a guide/fake stories to proof of manuals containing literary devices (figures of speech) to Complaint that the Bible should not have figures of speech.

Do you see your trail of Complaints, Changing Posts as you complain all the way?

And complaints do not make for an argument thus, "There is No Valid Argument Against The Truth!"

Ehiscotch:


The fact that believed that a Sovereign, Almighty God created the universe and exists independently outside it made them to believe that there was order and laws and principles guiding the universe and it wasn't just random matter coming together by chance.

This influenced their thoughts and there are books abound about it.

what did they discover in science with their beliefs? I mean outside of routine scientific methods?

I want to know the connection between beliefs and how that’s relevant to scientific methods?

It doesn’t matter what you believe, when it comes to science, your religious beliefs don’t hold water, you have to drop it and follow the procedures if you must achieve anything.

Haynnie:

There are people who believe in science than they believe God
There are others who believe in God than they believe science
While there are people who oppose God and oppose science as well

Anyone who believes science does not understand what science means, and is likely treating it like they treat the God they believe in but lack understanding of.

People who believe in God are either children (as in not yet mature), or no different to demons who also believe and tremble. When the winds blow their faith, which is built on the shaky foundations of belief, is washed away in the storm.

Those who do science, as in, ask and knock and seek with all their heart and soul and mind, would do what Christ is written to have said one should do with regards to the Kingdom of God. They would research what science actually is and the method that underpins it. For those who find the Kingdom of God do not merely believe in what they find, they know what they have found and are like builders on foundations of rock.

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/5123700/disbelieve-know

HedwigesMaduro:


Science does not need you to believe. Reason why scientists said the universe came into being after an explosion. They didn't want us to just believe this, so they showed us the video of that big bang taking place.

They still do not want you to believe the video because they themselves are still searching for pre-big bang.

alphaNomega:
If your generator manual wants to guide on how to do an engine oil change. The steps are outlined, sometimes with diagrams, so you know exactly what you are doing.

I do think you are rather more complex than a generator that has one sole purpose.

That said, when your oil needs changing, the doctor reads the manual and changes your oil, and the funeral director's manual states clearly what should be done with you when you cease to function, figuratively speaking, that is.

Workch:

I want to know the connection between beliefs and how that’s relevant to scientific methods?

A scientist proposes a hypothesis based on a belief. The scientist then tests the belief to discover if is true or false.

An example is the hypothesis/belief that pigs can fly. A scientist tests this belief to find out if pigs fly or not. And if pigs do fly, the scientist no more believes pigs fly because the scientist now know that pigs fly.

When a scientist claims to believe something they mean they do not really know for certain but hold it as a working hypothesis. If I claim to believe a particular woman is my mother, you'd likely ask why I'm ignorant about who gave birth to me because if I know my mother I wouldn't merely believe but know she's my mother.

alphaNomega:
There are calculations you can use to measure the distance, size and composition of stars and planets while standing on earth. The simplest way I can break it down for you is by the study of wavelength from the light they emit.

Science does not need your belief or trust to be true.

COVID-19 which you called ordinary has revealed the fraud your so-called men of God are. Imagine one of them saying the vaccine is the mark of the beast, another one linking COVID-19 to 5G, shebi a different one of your MOGs has finally said he would take the vaccine (after preaching against it all through the peak of pandemic) as he realized no international flight would admit him without evidence of COVID-19 vaccination. Werey said he does not want anything to stop him from traveling and spreading the gospel... Yeye dey smell

The classification of Pluto as a planet had to be changed because there were other bodies larger than it within the same orbital path and they would have to be recognised as planets bring the total number of planets in our solar system to well over 21! They have been reclassified as trans-neptunian objects (TNOs)

The conflicting facts about COVID-19 abound for a variety of reasons, one of which it being a novel disease, a lot of VERIFIABLE information had not been acquired, secondly charlatans like your MOG used that opportunity to further their end time gospel in order to fleece you of your hard earned money. I will stop at these two reasons for now.

Lol.

You are on the defensive.

I have stated my points and I believe they're clear enough and I did not attack anyone.

*Smiles

Dtruthspeaker:


I remember I had a problem with this declassification!

Why would Pluto be disqualified because of new sightings? It's like declassifying a bicycle from being a vehicle simply because electric cars have been made.

This was totally unnecessary.

But I understand what they are codedly doing. They are sublimely telling you people that they are gods over you. And indeed, the people look up to them as gods.

And Anything they say, True or Not will be acceptable by you people.

Which is why they spoke "God does not exist" and now people are stupidly chanting like minions, ""God does not exist", "God does not exist", "God does not exist".

Now they have spoken "transgender, non gender, gender X" now you people have begun chanting "transgender, non gender, gender X".

Kai! Definition of Soul Control!

Well said bro.

It's blindness....

HedwigesMaduro:


The video showing the big bang. You know, science doesn't want us to just believe it. Like the op said.

Lol.

Were you there when the BigBang happened?

alphaNomega:
There are calculations you can use to measure the distance, size and composition of stars and planets while standing on earth. The simplest way I can break it down for you is by the study of wavelength from the light they emit.

Science does not need your belief or trust to be true.

COVID-19 which you called ordinary has revealed the fraud your so-called men of God are. Imagine one of them saying the vaccine is the mark of the beast, another one linking COVID-19 to 5G, shebi a different one of your MOGs has finally said he would take the vaccine (after preaching against it all through the peak of pandemic) as he realized no international flight would admit him without evidence of COVID-19 vaccination. Werey said he does not want anything to stop him from traveling and spreading the gospel... Yeye dey smell

The classification of Pluto as a planet had to be changed because there were other bodies larger than it within the same orbital path and they would have to be recognised as planets bring the total number of planets in our solar system to well over 21! They have been reclassified as trans-neptunian objects (TNOs)

The conflicting facts about COVID-19 abound for a variety of reasons, one of which it being a novel disease, a lot of VERIFIABLE information had not been acquired, secondly charlatans like your MOG used that opportunity to further their end time gospel in order to fleece you of your hard earned money. I will stop at these two reasons for now.

Were you there when the BigBang happened?

Do you believe it?

alphaNomega:


Because science, over the years, has been trying to make life simple and better for humanity. Which is easier to remember? And 8 planet solar system or a 21+ planet solar systems?

Everything science has done is to make life easier, from the way we gather and preserve our food, and health to the way we communicate. It has been getting easier over time, thanks to scientific breakthroughs.

Religion, does the opposite. Enforces Draconian laws to keep human beings subdued and oppressed. Deny them the ability to think and make progress. Look at Boko haram, a group that originated from a desire to stop innovation.

If you believe in the BigBang theory and you were not there,

Then you are operating on Faith.

If you don't believe in the existence of God, then you believe he doesn't exist.....

That also is faith.

alphaNomega:


Genesis 3
King James Version
3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.


Your post shows me you don't read your Bible, you wake up every Sunday, put on your best clothes, go to church and press phone or fall asleep.

Now your assignment, read Numbers 22:21-39 for your Bible story of a talking donkey.

you are very funny. So bold with ignorance.

So in your mind now you have read the Bible. Moses a prophet of God was telling you story by moonlight. A very shameful pity is what religion turned how you reason to.

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So when you read animal farm by George Orwell you didn't have issues with animal talking, right? You understand his writings that he was passing across messages using the character of animals to pass across message. But not that he was affirming animals talking.

But when you pick Bible, reasoning is suspended to know that serpent is symbolic of a character. What you saw was animal talking. Very bad education.


Bro, a basic rule of interpretation of any book is not to loose your basic literature training when reading any literature writing.

Don't see " He kicked the bucket and die" and start shouting how can a bucket kill someone.

That is what you just did with your interpretation. You have lost your basic education of literature writings.

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Bible is written with human language hence you will find man's literacy, usage of words there. Don't loose your normal reasoning.

What you gave as interpretation up there is the dummy you were sold that led you to where you are now (unbelief).

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Now pick your Bible and start reading properly.

Read the Genesis account again, with how Moses used serpent in other places in his writings. Also reading well. The book of Revelation gave you a clue of who the serpent is, but when you read every book as love letter from Simbi you won't see the truth but disfocus.

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With this, You will not be different from the same religious people who sold you a dummy of interpretation of real snake talking as your unbelief is also premised on this lack of understanding the scriptures.

Now, you will be the one who now need to start reading the Bible as a literate person even if you don't believe what it says. But don't read like someone who have issues understanding how writers can skillfully use words to convene wisdom.

You failed woefully here. And this is the plight of many as you. Your unbelief and disbelief was because of false teaching you were exposed to hence you aren't different from the one who also stand in belief through false interpretation.

Though the effect is in opposite direction, you both derived your conviction from same basis (false doctrine)

Originakalokalo:


Well said bro.

It's blindness....

Thank you brother.

hupernikao:

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So when you read animal farm by George Orwell you didn't have issues with animal talking, right? You understand his writings that he was passing across messages using the character of animals to pass across message. But not that he was affirming animals talking.

But when you pick Bible, reasoning is suspended to know that serpent is symbolic of a character. What you saw was animal talking. Very bad education.

Very bad education indeed, except that hardly anyone reads Animal Farm believing animals spoke while quite a few believe a serpent spoke in Genesis.

You just ask people if you think I am wrong. Let me know how many people will accept that imaginary Eve likely reasoned for herself that eating the Fruit of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was desirable for acquiring Wisdom.

She after is written to have not surely died, but freed herself from slavery in the Garden of Eden, and became self employed, and lived for 800 or so years during which she is written to have populated the earth with billions of human beings some of who are now on the way to Mars and Jupiter and Uranus.

hupernikao:


you are very funny. So bold with ignorance.

So in your mind now you have read the Bible. Moses a prophet of God was telling you story by moonlight. A very shameful pity is what religion turned how you reason to.

---

So when you read animal farm by George Orwell you didn't have issues with animal talking, right? You understand his writings that he was passing across messages using the character of animals to pass across message. But not that he was affirming animals talking.

But when you pick Bible, reasoning is suspended to know that serpent is symbolic of a character. What you saw was animal talking. Very bad education.


Bro, a basic rule of interpretation of any book is not to loose your basic literature training when reading any literature writing.

Don't see " He kicked the bucket and die" and start shouting how can a bucket kill someone.

That is what you just did with your interpretation. You have lost your basic education of literature writings.

---

Bible is written with human language hence you will find man's literacy, usage of words there. Don't loose your normal reasoning.

What you gave as interpretation up there is the dummy you were sold that led you to where you are now (unbelief).

---

Now pick your Bible and start reading properly.

Read the Genesis account again, with how Moses used serpent in other places in his writings. Also reading well. The book of Revelation gave you a clue of who the serpent is, but when you read every book as love letter from Simbi you won't see the truth but disfocus.

---

With this, You will not be different from the same religious people who sold you a dummy of interpretation of real snake talking as your unbelief is also premised on this lack of understanding the scriptures.

Now, you will be the one who now need to start reading the Bible as a literate person even if you don't believe what it says. But don't read like someone who have issues understanding how writers can skillfully use words to convene wisdom.

You failed woefully here. And this is the plight of many as you. Your unbelief and disbelief was because of false teaching you were exposed to hence you aren't different from the one who also stand in belief through false interpretation.

Though the effect is in opposite direction, you both derived your conviction from same basis (false doctrine)

So are telling me it was not a serpent? It was something else?

Simple question. Simple answer.

Originakalokalo:


If you believe in the BigBang theory and you were not there,

Then you are operating on Faith.

If you don't believe in the existence of God, then you believe he doesn't exist.....

That also is faith.

Oga, the big bang theory is one of the many propositions that seeks to unravel the origins of our universe. It is still a work in progress.

Originakalokalo:


Lol.

You are on the defensive.

I have stated my points and I believe they're clear enough and I did not attack anyone.

*Smiles

Yes, your points clearly show you are still deluded by religion. I hope you have prepared money you will spend in church tomorrow. Your pastor's car will not fuel itself with prayers

Dtruthspeaker:


I'll give you more than one.
"for best use; suitable for all purposes, for wrist watches and Bluetooth speakers- "water proof", can be used for all devices" etc



That is their own style but surely my Invicta Wristwatch, Ceiling fans, standing fans did not.



Does it guide or it does not? Undisputable it does!

So does the addition of stories detract from it's guidance? No, it does not.

For even without those stories, it would still be a guide.

And the only problem you have with the Bible, is because, it Said "You will be Punished for all your evils." Exactly as a Thief, desiring to steal, hopes that he shall not be punished for it if caught, will definitely hate the Bible as an earthworm can never like salt.

That is all your problem with the Bible.

No one has any Reasonable Complaint against it other than the fact that they are criminals seeking to commit crimes and hoping to escape with both the fruits of their crimes and the judgement for it.

But the Bible says, You Will Never Escape, even if death on earth occurs.

That is why you people do not like the Bible.



I do and it always proven as you yourself have indeed Proven it, THAT IN TRUTH AND HONESTY AND REASONBILITY AND VALIDITY, that People are not successful in TRUTH FULLY rebutting my position on a matter.

They must either Fall Silent or Move from Post to Post exactly as you had done. Moving backwards, from "Complaint about my knowledge of the statement "there is no valid argument against The Truth to Complaint about the Bible being a guide/fake stories to proof of manuals containing literary devices (figures of speech) to Complaint that the Bible should not have figures of speech.

Do you see your trail of Complaints, Changing Posts as you complain all the way?

And complaints do not make for an argument thus, "There is No Valid Argument Against The Truth!"

1. The Bible is not truth

2. You clearly do not read your Bible

3. When you read your Bible, you would see the many reasons why me (and other people like me) do not take the book serious

4. I am convinced your signature was a copy and paste from an unknown source, you clearly don't know what it is about.

HedwigesMaduro:


The video showing the big bang. You know, science doesn't want us to just believe it. Like the op said.

Are you seriously asking for a video of the big bang as evidence?

alphaNomega:


1. The Bible is not truth

2. You clearly do not read your Bible

3. When you read your Bible, you would see the many reasons why me (and other people like me) do not take the book serious

4. I am convinced your signature was a copy and paste from an unknown source, you clearly don't know what it is about.

We understand what you are saying, That you do not have anything reasonable to say, SO RIGHT NOW YOU CAN JUST COMPLAIN AS YOU LIE COMPLETELY SILENT!

alphaNomega:


1. The Bible is not truth

2. You clearly do not read your Bible

3. When you read your Bible, you would see the many reasons why me (and other people like me) do not take the book serious

4. I am convinced your signature was a copy and paste from an unknown source, you clearly don't know what it is about.

We understand what you are saying, That you do not have anything reasonable to say, SO RIGHT NOW YOU CAN JUST COMPLAIN AS YOU LIE COMPLETELY SILENT OVER THIS MATTER!

"There is No Valid Argument Against The Truth!"

No, not a one!

Dtruthspeaker:


And that's your own problem of your own making.

Funny enough, manuals do employ figures of when they say their products will last forever when used as directed.

So right now you are being ridiculous because for all intents and purposes, A Writer has a Right to Freely employ any literary device, whether figures of speech, poems, rhymes, idioms etc of his own choosing.

When you write your own manual, you can choose to be robotic about it, As Long As you are Free to Write it in any way and manner you so choose in exercise of your Natural Rights and No One has a Right to Challenge your Rights.

Until you are slammed with a heavy lawsuit because of misinformation you wrote in your manual. You don't know what goes on in places that have functional system. You live in a society where criminals and charlatans are not reprimanded for their wrong doings that's why you think anything goes.

If you were the owner of Toyota, you would write instructions for a 2006 Hilux in the owner's manual of a 2010 Avalon because you want to exercise your natural right.

alphaNomega:

Until you are slammed with a heavy lawsuit because of misinformation you wrote in your manual.

Did you not see kinzams say I am a Lawyer?

I know all about terms and conditions, representations and advertisement, exclusion clauses and limitation of Liability, All covered by The Law of Contracts.

So we are the ones who raise law suits and who judge them.

And we are the ones who vet Manuals!

Dtruthspeaker:


Did you not see kinzams say I am a Lawyer?

I know all about terms and conditions, representations and advertisement, exclusion clauses and limitation of Liability, All covered by The Law of Contracts.

So we are the ones who raise law suits and who judge them.

And we are the ones who vet Manuals!

Now I know you are trolling.

alphaNomega:
Yes, your points clearly show you are still deluded by religion. I hope you have prepared money you will spend in church tomorrow. Your pastor's car will not fuel itself with prayers

Yes.

I have prepared the money.

My church has branches all over the world... missionaries are in the remote villages also. They need my support.

I may even add more to what I intended to give tomorrow.



Ignorance....

budaatum:


A scientist proposes a hypothesis based on a belief. The scientist then tests the belief to discover if is true or false.

An example is the hypothesis/belief that pigs can fly. A scientist tests this belief to find out if pigs fly or not. And if pigs do fly, the scientist no more believes pigs fly because the scientist now know that pigs fly.

When a scientist claims to believe something they mean they do not really know for certain but hold it as a working hypothesis. If I claim to believe a particular woman is my mother, you'd likely ask why I'm ignorant about who gave birth to me because if I know my mother I wouldn't merely believe but know she's my mother.

scientists propose hypothesis based on observations not beliefs. Do you understand how to formulate a scientific hypothesis? It seem to me that you really do not know a lot about it

I mean this topic is the basics of scientific methods