ModelLook:
Looking at this Dowen College Saga.

How these evil young secondary school boys run a CULT group in the school and killed an innocent JSS1 boy.

How the parents quickly hide them from persecution.

How the school are covering the story up and hiding the identity of the boys and parents.

I am beginning to wonder, who is to blame for this whole situation.

Is it THE PARENTS OR THE SCHOOL?

Some people say Bad Parenting is the genesis of it all because if the parents are training their children well, small secondary school kids of ages 11 to 16 shouldn't know anything that has to do with CULTISM at that age.

Some say Bad School training is the genesis. That the school is meant to train the students well and eradicate anything unlawfull in it. After all, the parents are paying huge sums of money for that.

Some say none are to blame?

After all, Train up a Child in the way he should go.

To you, who is to blame in this case. Is it Bad Parenting or Bad School Training

What are your thoughts?

He who pays the Piper dictates the tune. The parents are to blame. Didn't you see how Mercy Johnson rained down fire and brimstone over disciplinary actions at her daughter's school? If tomorrow, that girl turns out badly because she now has grown wings, who will you blame?

In most of these big schools, the children are left on their own as the teacher won't want to lose his job for disciplining a child.

The school management and the parents of those students that got Sylvester tortured must be prosecuted.
1. The school management attempted to cover up a crime committed by some minors
2. The parents of those kids are equally evil. A good parent must stand for justice even if the culprit belong or related to them.
3. Parents of those kids must step down from any leadership post they are occupying because they are not a bad example of who a leader should be.

Both.

The parents raised bastard monsters.

The school allowed bullying, cultism and hooliganism to thrive under the guise of "respect your seniors".

Nigerians should end the pipeline of unnecessary suffering and rubbish behaviour.

Both are to blame.

Let me tell you this,

I read in the holy book in Deuteronomy Chapter 6 vs 6 - 9 that says
"6 These words that I am commanding you today must be on your heart, 7 and you must inculcate them in your sons and speak of them when you sit in your house and when you walk on the road and when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as a reminder on your hand, and they must be like a headband on your forehead. 9 Write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates"

So as a parent it is my responsibility to train my child, how - when I lie with him, work and walk with him, etc. These can't happen when he is away in a boarding school.

It is a fundamental flaw to do so.

ModelLook:
Looking at this Dowen College Saga.

How these evil young secondary school boys run a CULT group in the school and killed an innocent JSS1 boy.

How the parents quickly hide them from persecution.

How the school are covering the story up and hiding the identity of the boys and parents.

I am beginning to wonder, who is to blame for this whole situation.

Is it THE PARENTS OR THE SCHOOL?

Some people say Bad Parenting is the genesis of it all because if the parents are training their children well, small secondary school kids of ages 11 to 16 shouldn't know anything that has to do with CULTISM at that age.

Some say Bad School training is the genesis. That the school is meant to train the students well and eradicate anything unlawfull in it. After all, the parents are paying huge sums of money for that.

Some say none are to blame?

After all, Train up a Child in the way he should go.

To you, who is to blame in this case. Is it Bad Parenting or Bad School Training

What are your thoughts?

easy sex and the religious/societal beliefs that u must av a child even if not everyone can be a parent/guardian..

They should all be killed and sterilised prior..

zedegit:


He who pays the Piper dictates the tune. The parents are to blame. Didn't you see how Mercy Johnson rained down fire and brimstone over disciplinary actions at her daughter's school? If tomorrow, that girl turns out badly because she now has grown wings, who will you blame?

In most of these big schools, the children are left on their own as the teacher won't want to lose his job for disciplining a child.

The house master knew but did nothing.

Cases of bullying like this happen in schools all over Nigeria and people see it as normal.

If the students were having sex or taking drugs the school would expel them that same day but they allow bullying.

Mrviktor:
All things things have been happening in boarding schools.. And most of we 90's kids know this..

I think going back 6 to 7 years ago..
Boarding houses were worse than this..

I remember how they used to beat one boy in empty classes anytime dey want to make a point..

We remember how school vs school fights used to be back in the days..

Saying bowen is the problem is very far from it..

They kids that were raised back then in the early 2000's are the parents of now..

The monster of old have given birth to new monsters..

It will only get worse

kids of 2000’s wey never even finish university lmaoo

Both are responsible...
But the parents are more responsible

ModelLook:


But if the Parents had trained their children well from the start, don't you think there won't be anything like CULTISM being practised by them in the first place.

After all, charity begins at home.

A well brought up child shouldn't even think of anything related to Cultism at that age.

What are u saying?
U think a child of that age cannot be beaten and threatened to join a cult?
What has parenting got to do with that?
Nowhere was it said that the boy joined cult.
He was being coerced to

I am not here to apportion blames but parents should learn to take a child of that age to a day school not boarding. The family still remains the main unit to learn. He's just too young to be in a boarding school...
Much will have been averted if he wasn't concealed in a boarding all in the name of schooling. Parents should consider age when enrolling their child in a boarding school.

Both parties are to be blamed...

When the eyes cry, it critically affects the nose.

But in my opinion, bad parenting is to be blamed a little more, coz the good old Book clearly states that we should "spare the rod and spoil the child".

Giving these development ,I blame the school for this one.

ModelLook:
Looking at this Dowen College Saga.

How these evil young secondary school boys run a CULT group in the school and killed an innocent JSS1 boy.

How the parents quickly hide them from persecution.

How the school are covering the story up and hiding the identity of the boys and parents.

I am beginning to wonder, who is to blame for this whole situation.

Is it THE PARENTS OR THE SCHOOL?

Some people say Bad Parenting is the genesis of it all because if the parents are training their children well, small secondary school kids of ages 11 to 16 shouldn't know anything that has to do with CULTISM at that age.

Some say Bad School training is the genesis. That the school is meant to train the students well and eradicate anything unlawfull in it. After all, the parents are paying huge sums of money for that.

Some say none are to blame?

After all, Train up a Child in the way he should go.

To you, who is to blame in this case. Is it Bad Parenting or Bad School Training

What are your thoughts?

Bad parenting. If you fear your parents you won't misbehave. There are many who are not in school but are well cultured.

Iyaebe:
89% of the blame goes to the school while 11% goes to the parents for not acting fast.

So, you depend on school for your children moral? training. Shame awaits you.

brain54:
A thread for trading blames.

But we can't deny the damages done.

Bad parenting, if someone like me tries such a thing when my dad was alive, he won't spend a dime to help escape but instead, throw me to the wolves, someone like me won't dare try anything crazy cos my parents won't cover up for me.

Looking at it from that angle I would say, it boils down to bad parenting.


A school is a place to educate children 90% and instill moral 40 or 35,% it's the parent's job to mold the character of their children, not the school.

In this case both the parents of the bad children and the school are to be blamed, it seems the school is a breeding ground for bullies and they are doing their best to cover it up.

These days, when a child does horrible things you would hear don't touch him or her only talk and a pat on the back thereby encouraging nonsense, like that child who visited the mall with his parent and started breaking HD TVs not one, not two, not even four because he was angry and his parent was begging him to stop omo I just dry laff.

The school has 90% of the blame, the school is not instilling discipline into the pupils rather they are putting fear into there life, if the parents are indiscipline the school suppose to stand firm and put discipline into the children's life, but they allowed money to control them.
Let the school be closed permanently, the principal and the owner be sent to jail.

Nigerians like to be judgemental. The investigation is still ongoing. We should exercise restrain as not to blame anybody for now. The investigation will unravel the cause of the disheartening incident

ModelLook:


But if the Parents had trained their children well from the start, don't you think there won't be anything like CULTISM being practised by them in the first place.

After all, charity begins at home.

A well brought up child shouldn't even think of anything related to Cultism at that age.

This reasoning is pedestrian.
We have seen children of pastors who were well brought up but when they get to the university, the girls face preeq/runs,the boys face cultism.
The blame is entirely on the school.

ModelLook:


But if the Parents had trained their children well from the start, don't you think there won't be anything like CULTISM being practised by them in the first place.

After all, charity begins at home.

A well brought up child shouldn't even think of anything related to Cultism at that age.

A well brought up child can become a cultist.

CaptainAyub:

This reason is pedestrian.
We have seen children of pastors who were well brought up but when they get to the university, the girls face preeq/runs,the boys face cultism.
The blame is entirely on the school.

Can't even blame school... I'd blame the children who decided to follow the path of evil.

brain54:

We can't just sit on the outside and blame the parents for not training their kids well enough. No one here can determine that. No one knows the extent the parents have gone to instill discipline. In the end humans especially kids will decide to accept or not. Using the Bible can we say God didn't tell Adam and Eve the right things to do? But they still went ahead to disobey didn't they?

And God consequently pushed them out. Pronounced judgment on them and made them faced the consequences of their disobedience. Hey, you mentioned God's warning and discipline (telling them the right thing to do), and it's only balanced to highlight what God did after. When the 'adult kids' did what they'll still do laslas sha.

Well, investigation is still going on, so, okay.

The school management may have been wrong in trying to cover up these things to protect their business but we can't say they didn't do enough to prevent this situation. Until an unbiased investigation is done. You can put every right measure in place. But things might go south in just a split second. What am I saying...if this blame game is done on a general case study I have no problems with it. But we can't just conclude from afar on this particular case until we have the particular details.

Yes. I agree. Without an investigation into this particular case, everyone would just be speculating...Oh, keep in mind as well, there are people sharing personal accounts of similar trends and experiences of their wards or friends' wards with the school. And even people that attended it themselves.

Still, yeah. Nobody knows. Maybe they are lying, maybe it's for clout, maybe subjective experiences are valid and can be more convincing, or maybe it's just human emotions and quirks at place, for bias -- nobody will know. Okay, too.

As for the other issues you raised with the other guy. Personally I like to put myself in a situation before passing judgement. I think those parents are only doing what every average parent of teenagers especially Nigerians will do in trying to protect their kids. This is murder we talking of here o. Right or wrong it's just the response most parents would take. If you were the one you would bring your probably 14 15 or 16 year old to the public to be castigated?
These things are questions we must look at before passing blames. Personally I feel it's too easy just sitting with our keyboards and passing blames. You will never understand how the shoe pinches until you wear it.
Let us just focus on justice for the boy. And leave this talk. Except we make this a general case study and not a discuss on this particular incident. Until we know the specific details. Peace.

But justice for the boy would involve those kids coming out - do you agree? I don't think justice can be served without the accused being present. Would you shield your own 14,15, or 16 y/o if they were the one involved?

Sure, there are 'due processes' to (doing) things. And ideally, there should be no hindrance to that. Which was I said that from all that can be gleaned or seen, the parents in question do not seem to be aiding that process. We're talking about justice here even, because we believe a wrong has been done.

And there might have been series of actions leading to the boy's death, which the investigation should shed light on. All I'm just saying is, the investigating should have all parties present. We'll only know what is released out sha, but thus far, from everything in public, nothing's been said about the accused boys.

If I was the one, and if I can, I would make my child available. To the public? Maybe not. But I would not be trying to cover anything up or shield any child or circumvent anything - in a case of accusation of murder. If I had known my child prior to have criminality tendences inspite of my good parenting, I would be offering them to the law. And this is not about coldness or me giving them out as a slaughter lamb. I would do that out of parental duty, and I would be there with them all through the juvenile court hearings, or rehabs or whatever. I would be setting up myself for a risk too if I kept that child to me.

And if on the other hand, my child is none of those, nothing still spoil. I still won't hide them to prove their innocence.

Both needed to be blame.

sisisioge:


My sister, I couldn't help crying.....it is so sad. Do you know that some parents are wary of correcting their erring kids in this same Nigeria? As in they dont want to get in that situation where they put their feet down and get the kids corrected because they dont want to seem to hash on their lovely kids. No one is saying you bring back those abusive beatings we took from our parents but hey....the good old rod will always discourage bad behaviour. See now....see our society, see the leaders we are breeding for tomorrow. Children are supposed to be sweet and innocent fa....people are now raising cold blooded killers! May God help us.

I am training my children like my father train me. Who born you? I am ready to kill any of my child that will bring shame to me. What's lovely kid that will go and kill another child. I told my friends to stop calling their children kid. Kid means baby GOAT. IF YOU CALL THEM BABY GOAT THEY WILL BEHAVE LIKE A GOAT.

Skyview01:


I blame the parent for putting their wards in boarding school in a lawless, immoral and religious society like Nigeria.

I blame the school management for allowing this heinous act to happen and subsequently trying to cover up.

I blame the idiots that killed this innocent kid. This is Nigeria and i can bet they will get away with this.

Boarding school is never a better option especially those below 15 years of age. My son was beaten black and blue for resisting initiation and he didn't inform any of us. Whilst on break (first term of jss1) we saw old and fresh bruises on his back, we questioned with aggression and he opened up : "they wanted me to join" Gucci gang" but I refused. To my astonishment, the person in charge of his dormitory witnessed one of the sessions of the beating but walked past. We reported the case to the school authorities but all involved were in denial. From that moment my son started schooling from home. One of the students that was involved in the beating was later expelled for other crimes/offences.

Both

donbachi:
I will give it to peer pressure.yes!

A good kid from a good home,with good parenting,in a good school.can meet bad eggs.that can lure them into some shiits.in the name of friendship.

I used to think resisting the so called peer pressure was part of 'good parenting'. Haven't we all heard of Parenting 101: "Do not talk to strangers".

It's bad parenting 100%. That's the foundation!

Guess what? The school is just a building made of people, of which are parents! The structures you put in place in schools to discourage all manner of vices are supposed to be put up by parents, or at least those who understand parenting i.e. caring for children. So everything will always still fall back to parenting!

My kids attend a private school in Lagos and they come home to tell me how ill-mannered some children of the expatriates behave (probably mirroring how their parents treat their Nigerian house-helps). It's the failure of parents to start of their kids right, then assuming that a school system will fix them. They'd rather influence other kids negatively in the school

Japan has probably the best educational system in the world because they teach values, manners, respect, honour, etc. at home to their growing kids before ever sending them off to school!

Hathor5:


Some people turn bad even though they grew up in good homes.

Some parents have several children and one of them decides to be useless even tough the others are good. How do you explain that?

No body decides to be useless,I'm an example is peer group,I always wanted to be like my dad and when ever I derail my dad tells me son u can't be like me,I remember wen I was in school,I was macho very huge,the ladies choice,so in my year 1,a friend bought the confraternity form 4 me,I was interviewed,infact I be their spec,on intiation day,I rembered my father,I said I can't be like my dad and if my father hears of this he will die immediately,I withdrew,as my colleagues were entering the bush,I was moving back till I ran off and disappeared,I suffered the consequences after but today is over out of us intiated ,more than 10 died bf graduation!

So when u Hear of kids involved with Cultism,don't blame them but their parents.kids sees all,as a father u engage in rituals,u an ogboni man or other cults,ur kids are watching u and u know as all this mature cult men are moving so are their kids all in same school and along the line kids of innocent parents that parents made pure money fall victims.
Is a pity private schools don't check source of parents income,once u can pay the millions u are welcomed.Ritualists,yahoo yahoo,in Life North and South attract each oda.Good and bad.
My lovely 12yrs kid may your soul RIP