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Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by BlueAngel444: 9:22am On Dec 14, 2021
Martinez39s:
Do you really think I have never asked that question in my life? I have asked that question, brooded over it, and engaged many believers. grin God damn!

I never said you should reject something because it isn't physical. All I simply implied was if something can't be proven or demonstrated to exist, then there is no good reason to believe in its existence. If no sound and irrefutable argument exist to back up its existence, then there is no good reason to believe in its existence.
whether you are looking for a demonstration or an argument. Both exist.
There are much supernatural occurrences in nature and people's worldwide, it would only take you time and money to go through them in anyway you wish to. And I am not just talking about miracles.

Nature already has lots of phenomenon that occurs that doesn't make "human sense". Some of these miracles are at times termed the "beauty of nature" because frankly there isn't a common logic to explain it. Those who spend so much to discover the earth find lots of weird, strange things that doesn't agree with the simplistic view of men.

Asking a question depends on how you ask the questions and who you ask. Do u just sit in your room and ask yourself to answer a question you're supposed to discover an answer to?


You want an irrefutable argument, yet when atheists came across such, they claim it is a dogmatic view. What you want is an argument you can agree with. Like a sudden appearance in the sky, or a loud voice like thunder, of which I bet you, even if you heard it, you would find some logic to explain it away. Or call it a temporary phenomenon of illusion. TPI, and it will become a certified medical condition.


• Mankind initially never believed air transportation was possible because it wasn't yet demonstrated to be possible. Also, the physics and technology were not yet conceived initially. Once these changed and air transportation could be demonstrated and shown to be possible, people had grounds to believe in them.
but someone believed, someone saw it possible and because they did, they could lay the ground work for others to benefit from. And as more people dared to believe, the first frame for airflight was designed


• Similarly, atheists lack belief in your God because there is no proof, evidence, sound argument, or demonstration of God's existence; this lack of belief is similar to how humans lack belief in werewolves, vampires, batman, unicorns, etc. The atheists stance on God will change when you believers can demonstrate, prove and provide sound and irrefutable arguments of your God's existence.
Do you know even in the days of Moses, people still did not believe, neither in the days of Elijah, and Jesus, even with all the miracels then or now. There will always be people who will not believe.

The reason is simple. People will choose to believe whatever benefits them, whether it is true or a lie. Not based on facts or proof.

You want to deceive yourself that if someone you knew died and came back to life and told you there is an afterlife, you would believe. Even if you did, how long would you hold unto such believe. Would that make you good till your own death. Or would you find a way, to talk yourself out of it and do whatever you want.

For an omniscient God who orchestrated everything in a way that my belief in him has great bearing on my eternal damnation, and who wants me to believe in him, showing himself and convincing anyone of his existence isn't so much to ask. Yet no sound proof exists for God's existence since the inception of religion. Until you bring something concrete, God remains fictitious to me.

You are the blind one. Good night.
yes I am blind to your stupidity and foolishness, in you thinking that damnation is about you believing He exists or not.

Your clear foolishness is not just that you say there is no God, but in your portrayal of some god that you think exists but doesn't. You think that the God that actually exists is gonna to damn you because you don't believe in Him, is the basis of your stupidity and the reason you can never find Him.


You are searching for something or someone that doesn't exist, because inside of you is an idea of Him is an error. Common sense tells you if you type in a search of what doesn't exist, you will get an error.

You say something is fiction and refuse to believe in it. Yet he says believe in the truth and it will set you free. And not for you to believe in a lie or in a fiction.

I ask yourself one question, do you actually believe what is true and real. And not what your own head tells you, but what actually is true, real, and exists. Do you believe that there is good and there is evil. Do you believe that all things have a source.

Do you assume you are able to judge what is true and what is false. What is fiction and what is reality, like you have never deceived yourself before or be deceived by others.


You live in a world where there are humans who can tell you about tomorrow like it already exists. And yet you would choose to doubt that there is something supernatural, extraordinary something more than the pathetic simple life commoner live.

If you like dont wake up, keep thinking you're right and the world is just a simple basis ordinary existence that you atheists deceive yourselves it is.

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Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:23am On Dec 14, 2021
RussellRutherfo:

grin grin
You mean those bigger yahoo 8-men thieves like Stephen Lett, Anthony Morris, etcetera that are siphoning your money and using it for their real estate business?
Many JW Kids in the West are already waking up from the lies of this organization. I could go on to mention many celebrities like Prince, Michael Jackson who were trained with JW background but ended up doing more for Satan. You see I see no difference between the JW organization and Atheism. The organization breeds her adherents for that position. Most jws who discover the organizational lies and leave the org usually end up that is 80% of them as Atheists and you begin to wonder with all that Jehovah indoctrination from childhood. They mostly head into Atheism.

Please remind me of a better performing group than JWs in training their children to be fully competent and completely equipped to defend their faith! wink
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by BlueAngel444: 9:25am On Dec 14, 2021
Franking:



You and your fictitious son are the butt of jokes here as you can see.
A typical example of atheists, bunch of fools, they will just stay in their holes and assume what is real and what is fake

Like a frog sitting in a well not knowing how vast the sky is
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Nobody: 9:35am On Dec 14, 2021
Yankee101:


Explain why isolated societies believe in a higher power


The faith happens by chance
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Blakjewelry(m): 9:55am On Dec 14, 2021
BlueAngel444:


All this one na noise
Yes it is noise to you because what the brain can't process, it interprets as noise.
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Yankee101: 9:56am On Dec 14, 2021
Crystyano:



The faith happens by chance

Lol

The others, you say are unenlightened, Elon na chance

Pick a side and work with it, don't be all over the map. How can you convince anyone if you come across as an inconsistent person?


For us it's clear,The Lord God Almighty created the Heavens and the Earth.

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Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by moorevic(m): 10:04am On Dec 14, 2021
johnydon22:


In what planet did your son win the argument? First, your son tried to establish feeling as a basis for God's existence, committing the first blunder of mistaking emotions to somehow infer objective existence of an entity.

Then even though your son tried to establish feelings as a basis for the existence of God, he also agreed he never felt God but rather thinks about God a lot, how on earth is thinking about something a pointer that it exists in reality?

Thinking only alludes to conceptual existence not actual.

Example: Dragons does not exist because we think about them a lot, Captain America do not exist because we think of him a lot, the avengers do not exist because they awake intense emotions (feelings) in us whenever we read about their fictitious heroic deeds in comics or movies.

Conceptually, these fictitious ideas exist, in reality, they do not.

Your son strawmaned the other kids argument, based his on a faulty premise and just talked over the other kid.

There is absolutely nothing smart about your fictitious son, bring out your arguments proudly instead of trying to heap them on an eight year old that exists only in your imaginations.

We would like to see your son get into an argument, using good points.
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by FlipModeSquade(m): 10:07am On Dec 14, 2021
Yankee101:


And why does Elon Musk believe in a higher power?
Lol..

The man has his own opinion..

WHAT does it have to do with anything? cheesy

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Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Yankee101: 10:09am On Dec 14, 2021
FlipModeSquade:
Lol..

The man has his own opinion..

WHAT does it have to do with anything? cheesy

It's a thread. You'll have to follow to understand how we got there

Don't take anything on its face value
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Worksunlimited: 10:10am On Dec 14, 2021
leofab:
those that died; was it god that killed them?

unfortunately, I can't speak for someone else, talkless of God..
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Worksunlimited: 10:11am On Dec 14, 2021
Immorttal:
my dear calm down, one day you'll die. You were just lucky just like every one of us who is alive now.

And so would you and everyone else that was given the privilege to grace this earth...

The major thing is, doing the most of the time alloted to you to live..
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by hupernikao: 10:37am On Dec 14, 2021
Blakjewelry:

The truth is if you want to be open minded when reading the Bible you will end up like me. It is what actually inspired this my quote. "In searching for the truth, you will find something more" my problem start while reading the Bible I fell in love with the history of man. my first copy was the history of the civilization of man. It explore the movement of man's civilization from ancient times, on further studies I discovered the bible was part history part oral tradition past down from mesopotamia tradition that is actually were they originated from.

Okay. Quite right with the history of the Bible. But how does that affect its message and truths.
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by hupernikao: 10:44am On Dec 14, 2021
Blakjewelry:

Some from archeological finding in Egypt, mesopotamia and various religious text Jewish tradition that the compilers of the bible didn't included but it doesn't mean they were not accepted by the Jewish people

I mean, the story was in the Bible. But was Moses re explaining what was already in their culture. That will be foolishness. The story of creation existed before he was born, he didn't form it, he learnt.

So now, the question is

1. Was Moses rewriting history to teach again what the audience already had in circulation. Note, the region and culture already have those stories in their day to day life.

2. Or was Moses using the prevailing stories in their time to communicate wisdom and the plan of his God. These are two different things.


Don't forget, Moses wasn't a creationist or scientist.l,not even a story teller. He was a prophet. Hence his message must be read as what a prophet wrote not as a scientific discoveries or historian.

Looking at how other Bible writers explained Moses, I guess you read Moses badly, and you may need to apologise to him grin

what do you think.

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Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by hupernikao: 10:48am On Dec 14, 2021
1Sharon:


What?

Are you an untrained psychologist using atheism as breastplate to cover your heart. grin
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Franking: 10:49am On Dec 14, 2021
TemmyT002:


Think about this.
There is something called intent. There is something called purpose.
Now think about pineapple.
It's sweet right?
What made it sweet? Why is it sweet? It also has nutrients. Why does it have nutrients.
I am using pineapple to illustrate why something exist.
Pineapple is sweet for a reason. It has a purpose.
Anything that has a purpose shows intent.
Anything that has a purpose cannot create itself. It means it was created with by an intelligent being.
That intelligent being is God.
If not, tell me why pineapple is sweet and why.

Mosquitoes have proboscis which they use in sucking blood and passing the malaria parasite to humans. Intelligence. To what end?

I'm inclined to believe that everything was created, I mean everything if we agree on that then we still have to figure out the small issue of how the creator himself came to be. Was he created too? Or did he just happen along?
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by hupernikao: 10:58am On Dec 14, 2021
Franking:


If you don't console yourself then who will. Whatever makes you sleep at night. Atheism is bigger than you. Atheists refuse to accept the garbage you accept. Somewhere in Jeremiah God supposedly said " before you were formed in your mother's womb I knew you....." Think about that.

What did we carry, what did we throw. (Kí la gbé, Kí la jù) grin

Calm down Bro. Don't be troubled. It is obvious from your comment that you are one of those I referred to. You aren't an atheist. Stop speaking on what you don't know. You are only an untrained psychologist who believes he has found a new love.

Your issues start and end in proper interpretation of the false information you are exposed to. What I expect from you is a discussion if you know you truly have a conviction and understand why well.

So, why "strawmanning" me.

I agreed with you that you were exposed to garbage and it's obvious in your comments and the verse you quoted. But the issue here is you are using that garbage to form a lifestyle, a conviction even though in opposite direction. That alone has left the foundation of your conviction wrong.

Calm down and learn what the scriptures truly teach and rescue yourself from the cloud of false teaching and accusations. Then you can have a proper way of discussing your new found love.
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by hupernikao: 11:04am On Dec 14, 2021
Franking:


You don't know what you are saying. Many atheists including myself used to be christians. Religion is faith based and faith simply means belief in what lacks evidence. Your analogy is therefore faulty.

I say it again. You aren't an atheist. You are only looking for a group to identify with your troubled mind. I call such untrained psychologist.


Nothing new is saying "I used to be a Christian". Being a Christian doesn't make you one that understands the scriptures. The scriptures must be learnt even by Christians.

Now it's obvious in what you wrote that you weren't exposed to God's word at all, or better still you were exposed to man's imagination, false teaching using the scriptures.

You will do well to calm down and understand what you don't know, then you can be a good critics. As it stands now, whatever you discuss will be based on false premise (wrong teaching, you were exposed to in your sojourn in "church gathering".

Hope you get this now.

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Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by pedrozone15(m): 11:29am On Dec 14, 2021
The OP simply stated, " My 8 year old son's debate with a 7 year old atheist", then boom!!
The atheists gathered and started talking and arguing about things they themselves are not sure of. Y'all chose to believe science and yet science is flawed. Have you ever imagined that trying not to unravel the mystery in the Bible makes you weak intellectually.
You all always find ways to make Christians feel they have got nothing upstairs to believe in JESUS but you have got, right?
Science says that man and apes came from the same ancestry and you would rather believe that. That being said, GOD reveals himself to people in different ways. I do not want to say this( because a lot of people would think I was hallucinating at the time) but I would be a liar if I told you I haven't heard HIM speak.
Now for the other atheist who said how can GOD sacrifice HIMSELF to save man from HIMSELF, I have this to say.
If you manufacture a computer and programmed it to function in a certain way but it got corrupted and decided to do what you dislike. Would you dump it? Peradventure you decide to repair and put it to use again and it chose to do the same things that you dislike, what would you do?
This is how man is. A loving GOD created us in HIS own image and even gave us free will. But we were created to fellowship with GOD and be at peace. Not knowing evil. We chose not to obey HIM and did exactly what HE instructed us not to. Do you think HE has the right to be dissapointed? Some of you are not being fair to GOD at all. Hell wasn't made for man but for the devil and his demons. GOD isn't going to put you there if you do not willingly put yourself there. He gave you a choice and also the ability to choose. Now use that brain of yours you claim is enlightened and suffisticated to make a wise decision now.

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Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by stancydg: 11:52am On Dec 14, 2021
pedrozone15:
The OP simply stated, " My 8 year old son's debate with a 7 year old atheist", then boom!!
The atheists gathered and started talking and arguing about things they themselves are not sure of. Y'all chose to believe science and yet science is flawed. Have you ever imagined that trying not to unravel the mystery in the Bible makes you weak intellectually.
You all always find ways to make Christians feel they have got nothing upstairs to believe in JESUS but you have got, right?
Science says that man and apes came from the same ancestry and you would rather believe that. That being said, GOD reveals himself to people in different ways. I do not want to say this( because a lot of people would think I was hallucinating at the time) but I would be a liar if I told you I haven't heard HIM speak.
Now for the other atheist who said how can GOD sacrifice HIMSELF to save man from HIMSELF, I have this to say.
If you manufacture a computer and programmed it to function in a certain way but it got corrupted and decided to do what you dislike. Would you dump it? Peradventure you decide to repair and put it to use again and it chose to do the same things that you dislike, what would you do?
This is how man is. A loving GOD created us in HIS own image and even gave us free will. But we were created to fellowship with GOD and be at peace. Not knowing evil. We chose not to obey HIM and did exactly what HE instructed us not to. Do you think HE has the right to be dissapointed? Some of you are not being fair to GOD at all. Hell wasn't made for man but for the devil and his demons. GOD isn't going to put you there if you do not willingly put yourself there. He gave you a choice and also the ability to choose. Now use that brain of yours you claim is enlightened and suffisticated to make a wise decision now.

The bolded is absolutely spot on. That's the point a lot of atheists and religious folks need to understand. One of them even asked if a loving God was just to put people in hell. KNOW THIS AND KNOW PEACE; God doesn't have any intentions of burning people in hell. Rather, it is the one who dwells in hell who really needs company and that's why he's been on about making you the created foolishly question your Creator as if Ford Explorer can question the Ford motor company. Like you said, they should rather use the brain they claim is enlightened to make the choice The One and Only True God has given them to escape escorting the dark angel to his abode.
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Franking: 12:16pm On Dec 14, 2021
hupernikao:


I say it again. You aren't an atheist. You are only looking for a group to identify with your troubled mind. I call such untrained psychologist.


Nothing new is saying "I used to be a Christian". Being a Christian doesn't make you one that understands the scriptures. The scriptures must be learnt even by Christians.

Now it's obvious in what you wrote that you weren't exposed to God's word at all, or better still you were exposed to man's imagination, false teaching using the scriptures.

You will do well to calm down and understand what you don't know, then you can be a good critics. As it stands now, whatever you discuss will be based on false premise (wrong teaching, you were exposed to in your sojourn in "church gathering".

Hope you get this now.

Your own submission is meaningless because it means most supposed christians are not christians at all since they are probably christians due to wrong teachings.

I admit u are entitled to ur opinion but I dare say it changes nothing. Christianity is just one of many religions. I do not follow any because they don't make sense to me. Ur bible talks about talking animals ala tales by moonlight and many other incredible and incredulous stories including Christ dieing for my sins which is quite laughable.

U are free to believe whatever makes u sleep at night.
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by pedrozone15(m): 12:24pm On Dec 14, 2021
[quote author=Havertz10 post=108470720] the observable universe is vast, we have understood it's workings, it's why we send robots to other planets, it's length and breadth isn't even quantifiable because at the end of the day, there is no up or down, that perspective only functions on earth, like minded people are striving to understand the universe, so we can conquer it and explore its galaxies but religious people are cowards holding back civilization

You religious people are plainly cowards, you all suspect that religion is a ruse because how else can you explain sin, if you truly believe that there is a god and he could return at any moment, you wouldn't be able to commit sin, talkless of taking that eternally deadly risk of commiting a sin and planning to beg for forgiveness in the future

Eternity is forever they say, why then are your prayer requests 99% of the time seeking earthly benefits, if I was a devout Christian, I would be looking forward to my death with glee but na una shout jesus pass anytime small accident happen, you believe that paradise awaits you but prefer to remain here suffering grin

Your pastors orchestrate emotional ponzi schemes, miracles and testimonies to keep you invested cheesy


They also encourage you to keep reading from the same book and cultivating cult like doctrines to keep the critical parts of your mind subdued, coronavirus has exposed how stupid and malleable these pastors have made people, thankfully insults and rejections of religious opinions are on the rise and hopefully one day christianity and Islam will decline into the same level of recognition as babalawo and juju



All I see here is likened to a child's babble. You call Christians cowards? Yet they are willing to go to places where CHRIST has never been preached not minding what they may her to experience? Can you do that? I didn't think so.

Secondly, you write like you want to usurp the place of GOD and that my friend was what the devil did. Now look where that got him. A little time here to tempt you and I, before finally reaping the fruits of pride. You see the devil is the being making you feel you are smart in your direction of thinking and he it is that urges you on. You talk about science. How else do you think GOD created all things.Everything had to come to be by interaction of forces but these forces all obeyed one voice, God's.
All scientist try to do is understand the forces but do not want to understand whose commands these force and interactions obey. Now that's where the devil has you kept so you see yourselves as smart and not trying to know for yourslves the master of all things whose voice the forces and interactions obey.

Thirdly, GOD has never and will never force you to commit a sin. What more do you want? He has given you free will and also advised you to make the right choices but in your pride and arrogance you decide you want to do the things that would displease HIM and still have the gots to justify yourself.
Can you be greater than your creator? Can you ever be greater than GOD?
There is a road that seemeth right to a man but end is death.

Fourthly, you were thankful that the whole world is getting rid of the belief on GOD and going after their shallow and flawed theories. Yes, that's true. But isn't it wonderful that these events had been foretold in the Bible long ago, even before you and I was born?
Men shall be lovers of themselves and all.....
You'd have no excuse whatsoever not to repent today and ask JESUS into your heart.
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by FlipModeSquade(m): 12:41pm On Dec 14, 2021
Yankee101:


It's a thread. You'll have to follow to understand how we got there

Don't take anything on its face value
cheesy

So religion has been stripped down to crypto level?

Maybe we should all follow Elon Musk on Twitter?

To dish out tweets on his favorite religious practices? grin
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Nobody: 12:54pm On Dec 14, 2021
Yankee101:


Lol

The others, you say are unenlightened, Elon na chance

Pick a side and work with it, don't be all over the map. How can you convince anyone if you come across as an inconsistent person?


For us it's clear,The Lord God Almighty created the Heavens and the Earth.


Inconsistent in your dreams


Elon is not special.....


You are not meant to tell me anything about the mind



Your belief is your problem



In fact , your post is another reason why no God can exist
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Nobody: 12:58pm On Dec 14, 2021
pedrozone15:
The OP simply stated, " My 8 year old son's debate with a 7 year old atheist", then boom!!
The atheists gathered and started talking and arguing about things they themselves are not sure of. Y'all chose to believe science and yet science is flawed. Have you ever imagined that trying not to unravel the mystery in the Bible makes you weak intellectually.
You all always find ways to make Christians feel they have got nothing upstairs to believe in JESUS but you have got, right?
Science says that man and apes came from the same ancestry and you would rather believe that. That being said, GOD reveals himself to people in different ways. I do not want to say this( because a lot of people would think I was hallucinating at the time) but I would be a liar if I told you I haven't heard HIM speak.
Now for the other atheist who said how can GOD sacrifice HIMSELF to save man from HIMSELF, I have this to say.
If you manufacture a computer and programmed it to function in a certain way but it got corrupted and decided to do what you dislike. Would you dump it? Peradventure you decide to repair and put it to use again and it chose to do the same things that you dislike, what would you do?
This is how man is. A loving GOD created us in HIS own image and even gave us free will. But we were created to fellowship with GOD and be at peace. Not knowing evil. We chose not to obey HIM and did exactly what HE instructed us not to. Do you think HE has the right to be dissapointed? Some of you are not being fair to GOD at all. Hell wasn't made for man but for the devil and his demons. GOD isn't going to put you there if you do not willingly put yourself there. He gave you a choice and also the ability to choose. Now use that brain of yours you claim is enlightened and suffisticated to make a wise decision now.


You are not meant to say who has not read the Bible neither are you meant to say who does not understand it.




When you say there's a mystery in the Bible, you're suggesting certain people don't understand the Bible.
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by hupernikao: 1:25pm On Dec 14, 2021
Franking:


Your own submission is meaningless because it means most supposed christians are not christians at all since they are probably christians due to wrong teachings.

I admit u are entitled to ur opinion but I dare say it changes nothing. Christianity is just one of many religions. I do not follow any because they don't make sense to me. Ur bible talks about talking animals ala tales by moonlight and many other incredible and incredulous stories including Christ dieing for my sins which is quite laughable.

U are free to believe whatever makes u sleep at night.

The way you read me shows you aren't patient enough. I never said to be a Christian you must be able to interpret scriptures well. Seems you are reading your mind.

The obvious is you weren't taught well and that is what informed your disposition. I bet with you Sir, all your explanation above are only your imagination or that of one who taught you wrongly.

The issue here is not a believe system. This issue here is knowledge problem. You aren't exposed to the right knowledge of a book yet you feel you know it and have made a decision about it.

This is like a man who read Google map and start saying he now knows the road to every city of the world and doesn't need any assistance.

Don't you think such can end up in an ocean, left in the white cold without help?

This is the case of your conviction about the Bible.

So I say again, the issue here isn't believe system, but knowledge. This is why you need to calm down.

By the way, you read Moses as speaking of a talking snake? And others? In 2021?

I never know people still read and interpret Bible this funny way. You need to calm down Bro and learn. Is that okay?

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Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Franking: 1:41pm On Dec 14, 2021
hupernikao:


The way you read me shows you aren't patient enough. I never said to be a Christian you must be able to interpret scriptures well. Seems you are reading your mind.

The obvious is you weren't taught well and that is what informed your disposition. I bet with you Sir, all your explanation above are only your imagination or that of one who taught you wrongly.

The issue here is not a believe system. This issue here is knowledge problem. You aren't exposed to the right knowledge of a book yet you feel you know it and have made a decision about it.

This is like a man who read Google map and start saying he now knows the road to every city of the world and doesn't need any assistance.

Don't you think such can end up in an ocean, left in the white cold without help?

This is the case of your conviction about the Bible.

So I say again, the issue here isn't believe system, but knowledge. This is why you need to calm down.

By the way, you read Moses as speaking of a talking snake? And others? In 2021?

I never know people still read and interpret Bible this funny way. You need to calm down Bro and learn. Is that okay?

You mean to really understand this ur God one needsto painstakingly learn and pay attention and probably start hallucinating? No, thank u. Until it's easy and not complicated enjoy.
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by freshalien: 3:15pm On Dec 14, 2021
Tetehjewels:
My Son is super smart and at 8 has already been given double promotion twice in school. The 1st one he got was in the 2nd term of that year and he was only able to join the new class in their 3rd term yet he still came first and the school thought it necessary to move him again. So he is now in a class with kids 3yrs older than he is and already besting them too.

We are a very God loving family and even though I have never sat my son down to talk to him about God, I do ensure he goes to Church with me and joins me in my daily morning devotions. I do notice that he has an extremely inquisitive mind and would rather watch educational channels on DStv than cartoons especially since they stopped showing his best cartoon "Goku"

So we have this neighbour who is from Greece. His 7 yr old son and my son can be considered best of friends and they visit each other at will. So on this day he came to visit and while they were hanging out I suddenly heard them arguing from his room. Normally their arguments would be over a video game or something else but this one was interesting. They were arguing about God!

I stood by the door and listened. Apparently that day revealed to me that my neighbour is an atheist but I never knew and he has been indoctrinating his 7yr old son along those lines because I clearly heard the boy say to my Son, "God does not exist, he is just a story"

So here is the convo

Him: God is not real, He does not exist, He is just a story

My Son: Ethan what did you say?

Him: God is not real, He is just like Santa who also isn't real

My Son: How do you know he isn't real?

Him: Well my dad said he isn't real because he just isn't. Have you seen him?

My Son: So your dad says God isn't real because he hasn't seen him? So something isn't real because you can't see it? But what about feeling Him?

Him: Feelings are not something we can um um fully determine because they can be misleading

My Son: How can you say Feelings are misleading, you are my friend right? (He goes yeah?) So how are you sure you are my friend if your feelings can be misleading. Can you say your feelings misled you into being my friend?

Him: No that's not what I was trying to say

My Son cuts him off with a sharp tone: So if your feelings did not mislead you into being my friend how then do feelings mislead you?

Him: Have you felt God before?

My Son: No but I do know that I think about him a lot

Him: umm umm but How would you possibly be thinking about something that does not exist

My Son: Exactly Ethan!

At this point I step into the room and cheerfully say Okay guys playtime is over (because I needed to stop the argument and get my Son to study by asking his friend to go home)

However his final comment "Exactly Ethan" resonated with me and made me think that comment was actually directed at Ethan's dad and not Ethan because apparently he had been talking about the non existence of God to his Son A LOT!

So how do you constantly talk or think about Something or Someone that doesn't exist?

I have always asked you religious ones,, Christians and Muslims, to show me proof, physical or spiritual, of the existence of your god, yet none has been able to show me proof. Instead you keep blabbing about a certain book and your thoughts and prayers as if that is what I asked for. Nothing meaningful whenever you engage a Christian or Muslim in a meaningful conversation about the existence of their god. Just blabbing up and down about non-existent stuff.

As for your “smart” son, he is already on the path to questioning the existence of the god you forced on him. You said he is smart right? You have a future atheist on your hand. He is arguing with his friend about god. Soon he would be arguing within himself about that same god. In fact if you have money, send him abroad when the time is right so he can have the opportunity and freedom to see a different kind of life compared to the one you raised him with lots of ‘church going’ and what not. Don’t be surprised when he joins us on the other side; the side where we have realized that the best lie told by man was that there is a “God”.
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by freshalien: 3:20pm On Dec 14, 2021
Tetehjewels:


Well to be honest with you, I could say that if someone's imagination could create the avengers or the Lord of the rings and make sequels out of them enough to entertain a cross section of the earth it can also be argued that an even bigger imaginative force could imagine the universe and bring it into existence to the service of the entire universe.

This is exactly how the notion of “God” came to be. Cooked up in the mind of men as they reflected on their existence in the universe. ‘God’ is only a figment of man’s imagination. No proof as to the reality of his existence.
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:28pm On Dec 14, 2021
Yankee101:

Lol The others, you say are unenlightened, Elon na chance Pick a side and work with it, don't be all over the map. How can you convince anyone if you come across as an inconsistent person? For us it's clear,The Lord God Almighty created the Heavens and the Earth.

You're responding to Chrystyano!

Well prepared to face a shameless social media beggar that will start accusing you of being wicked for not giving him money! cheesy
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by Nobody: 3:42pm On Dec 14, 2021
I've noticed one common thing about these atheists, they seem to have consumed and understood every 'knowledge' book/material and they also claim to have found loopholes in the bible which they use to challenge Christians, after going through some of these challenges, it just made me realise they don't have any understanding of the Bible from the questions they have.

Just like the misconception you've talked about.

Which makes me doubt their understanding of these 'knowledge' materials/books they've read.
stancydg:


The bolded is absolutely spot on. That's the point a lot of atheists and religious folks need to understand. One of them even asked if a loving God was just to put people in hell. KNOW THIS AND KNOW PEACE; God doesn't have any intentions of burning people in hell. Rather, it is the one who dwells in hell who really needs company and that's why he's been on about making you the created foolishly question your Creator as if Ford Explorer can question the Ford motor company. Like you said, they should rather use the brain they claim is enlightened to make the choice The One and Only True God has given them to escape escorting the dark angel to his abode.
Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by DeepSight(m): 4:28pm On Dec 14, 2021
Parenthood is a most peculiar thing.
Child-Worship is really a thing.

For many parents, their children are almost equivalent to God - aside from either being geniuses or perfectly good souls.

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Re: My 8 Year Old Son's Debate With A 7yr Old Atheist by DeepSight(m): 4:32pm On Dec 14, 2021
Bluezy13:

whereas I actually wrote "Atheism is a belief in unbelieve".

I am not sure that there is any such word as "unbelieve."

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