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Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by Peterosky(m): 7:20am On Feb 23, 2022 |
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Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:48am On Feb 23, 2022 |
What most people failed to comprehend is the fact that each of these men are talking about their own god but since those reading their comments can't discern this they thought such men are addressing them. Of course Mr David Ibiyeomie is talking to his own congregants not everyone in the society. So if any member of his Church failed to pay his or her tithe sure such a member is a criminal for deliberate disobedience towards what they've all agreed upon. But if you don't want to continue being a criminal then you must leave that place of worship. Whatever makes you stay and going against the tenets of the religion shows you're an outlaw (Criminal) |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by desiredhome: 7:48am On Feb 23, 2022 |
RepoMan007:So meat to you represent all those items you mentioned lol.... How do you use those items when you are hungry?... these are the reasons poverty will continue to increase in Nigeria..... ignorant...... Keep deceiving yourself or allow those pulpit bandits to deceive you..... you keep shouting on government/bad economy in your ignorant while you are the problem in Nigeria |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by wirinet(m): 8:04am On Feb 23, 2022 |
petra1:Who are tithe eaters? I hope you are referring to pastors who use members tithes to buy live extravagant lives. Please give verses where Jesus preached about tithes or where he taught his disciples about tithes. He only made reference to tithes when admonishing the pharesees for placing tithes above all other things. Conscience is disturbing who? I have never paid tithe in my life and I have never felt any guilt, so also billions of others. If some pentecostals feel guilty for not paying tithe, it is because they have been continuously been blackmailed and guilt tripped by their pastors.
Yes there must be balance. Tithe is not part of that balance. It's a scam by modern day Christianity. 1 Like |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by petra1(m): 10:10am On Feb 23, 2022 |
wirinet: Wrong. Tithe eaters are those who rob God by not tithing. Pastors are not tithe collectors. Pastors are rather tithers and givers. And for you information most denominational pastors are volunteers . THEY ARE.LAY WORKERS.. They have their jobs and businesses. Ranging from civil servant to lecturer etc. Only few pastors are into full time ministry and such are placed on allowance. Church money does not belong to the pastor. Tithe eaters give impression as though pastors live on church offering. Most pastors spend their money on the church. Every pastor is not G.O with private jet. That's just few exceptions Please give verses where Jesus preached about tithes or where he taught his disciples about tithes. He only made reference to tithes when admonishing the pharesees for placing tithes above all other things. Matthew 23:23 TLB . . .. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. Yes there must be balance. Tithe is not part of that balance. It's a scam by modern day Christianity. You're wrong . Compare the two verses below Numbers 18:21-25 21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting. 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. Tithes and offerings are eternal principles in God's kingdom. If you give offerings you must give tithes you cant chose one and neglect the other because one us very convenient. |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by Igo9(m): 12:20pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
petra1:did Jesus instruct you to pay tithe there? The pharisees Jesus talked about were not christians but jewish teachers. He query them because they did not follow the Jewish law they even preaching... No one received Christ pay tithe in the bible.. Tithe is one of the Jewish law... Anyone who received christ is a new creature.. Christians are new creatures... No pastor in this world tell members to pay Jewish tithe except nigeria pastors that are looking for wealths.... Read hebrew 10 vs 3 to end and see how paul condemned tithe... No nigerian pastor will show you this chapter instead they will referred you backward to Jewish chapters like malachi 3:10.. |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by killyaselfie: 12:33pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
Kajaard: There are no pastors ANYWHERE. The religion is a con, the whites who brought it to your shores are savage cons, the pastors in your land are greedy cons, the Jews who created the god you worship are cons, the Romans who painted the god white are cons. The sooner the African diaspora wakes up, the better for them. I’m not holding my breath though. |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by wirinet(m): 12:39pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
petra1:You have been brainwashed beyond redemption by scam artists in the guise of men of God. The verses which you people are so obsessed with was directed at priests who just like modern day christian priests are scamming the people of Israel. God was directing his anger at them and not the general children of Israel.
I am not talking about regular pastors who are also victims of exploitation by the so called men of God. I am talking about G.Os who set up churches as means of fleecing desperate or illiterate people of their hard-earned money through perverse doctrines. Wrong translation and interpretation. This is how King James Version puts it; Why do you think Jesus specified what the scribes and Pharisees should tithe, or you think Jesus was not aware money exists? Jesus specifically stated issues that are important to God - law, judgment, mercy, and faith, these are what all the message and parables of Jesus was about. It's what the gospel is about. Tithe has no place in the gospel according to Jesus. Yes, tithes was instituted in Israel as compensation for the Levi tribe, which as a priestly tribe were not allowed to inherit land. There are no more Levis in Israel and so no one pays tithes anymore in Israel. How Nigerians scam artists (G.Os) converted themselves to Levis is a miracle. So it no more about Levis but about ministers and partakers. Is it only G.Os that ministers and wait at the altar or preach the gospel? Why is it that the tithes and offerings are chopped by only the G.Os and his family? Should not the tithes be shared equally among the pastors and all the workers of a church? Why would the G.Os be driving private jets and ordinary pastors are walking the streets under the sun, preaching the gospel There is no must in any genuine religion, that's religious fundamentalism. You give as the heart directs. 1 Like |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by petra1(m): 2:13pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
wirinet: I quoted the bible not pastors. So let's stay on facts nothing personal The verses which you people are so obsessed with was directed at priests who just like modern day christian priests are scamming the people of Israel. God was directing his anger at them and not the general children of Israel. Wrong . The book of malachi was addressed to a nation . He only addressed priests in few verses and that didn't include tithing .where he addressed The nation he mentioned it and where he addressed priests he mentioned it Malachi 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Tithes and offerings issue was for everyone I am not talking about regular pastors who are also victims of exploitation by the so called men of God Then it will be wrong of you guys to rubbish all pastors. Because 99.9 percent are lay workers who volunteer to serve God's people. Sacrificing their pay in serving God and you guys come up here before the world to rubbish all pastors because of your bile against few. I am talking about G.Os who set up churches as means of fleecing desperate or illiterate people of their hard-earned money through perverse doctrines. If you want to address G.O. do it differently. That still doesn't mean you're right and they are wrong .we will still analyze your points in the light of the Bible Wrong translation and interpretation. This is how King James Version puts it; It doesn't make a difference. The principle is clear that it's ok to pay tithes Why do you think Jesus specified what the scribes and Pharisees should tithe, or you think Jesus was not aware money exists? Jesus specifically stated issues that are important to God - law, judgment, mercy, and faith, these are what all the message and parables of Jesus was about. It's what the gospel is about. Tithe has no place in the gospel according to Jesus. Says who? Jesus didn't condem marrying you marrying your daughter either. So does it make it right Yes, tithes was instituted in Israel as compensation for the Levi tribe, which as a priestly tribe were not allowed to inherit land. There are no more Levis in Israel and so no one pays tithes anymore in Israel. How Nigerians scam artists (G.Os) converted themselves to Levis is a miracle. Tithe was instituted under Abrahamic covenant 400 years before the law. Abraham Jacob Isaac all tithes. They only stopped when they became slaves in Egypt. That's even why God had to bring them out to "serve him," and in serving him he re instituted tithes and offerings and regulated it for them. Because it has always been in the system of worship since the days of Abraham So it no more about Levis but about ministers and partakers. Is it only G.Os that ministers and wait at the altar or preach the gospel? Why is it that the tithes and offerings are chopped by only the G.Os and his family? Should not the tithes be shared equally among the pastors and all the workers of a church? Why would the G.Os be driving private jets and ordinary pastors are walking the streets under the sun, preaching the gospel Tithe is given to God not to G.O. Private jets were not bought with tithes and offerings. Some came as gift from members . Some G.O have businesses. Don't work with assumptions. There is no must in any genuine religion, that's religious fundamentalism. You give as the heart directs. As the word instructs . Selfish heart won't direct 2 Likes |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by OkCornel(m): 2:54pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
petra1: Which nation was the book of Malachi addressed to? Israel or Nigeria? Was the book of Malachi directed to the gentile nations? Did God make tithing mandatory for any of the gentile nations? Can you provide examples of Christians (not Judaisers) that tithed in the scriptures? |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by petra1(m): 4:50pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
OkCornel: It was directed to worshipers of God. Did God make tithing mandatory for any of the gentile nations? Did God make salvation mandatory for Gentiles? Can you provide examples of Christians (not Judaisers) that tithed in the scriptures? Numbers 18:21-25 21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting. 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel 1 Like |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by wirinet(m): 5:17pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
OkCornel: I don't want to continue going in circles with Petra1. He is wearing really distorted blinkers. How can one interprete to mean to mean the words were directed at the whole nation when the speaker made a distinction between "Ye" and the nation with the adverb even? The "ye" in Malachi refers to priests. He has really been indoctrinated by tithe criminals. Malachi3 cannot be read in isolation of Malachi 2:
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Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by petra1(m): 7:35pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
wirinet: Amd you cannot isolate Malachi 2 from Malachi 1 Malachi 1:1 Malachi The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi. He was sent to the nation. While prophesying to the nation he addressed Judah, He addressed priests, He addressed issues about the messiah and his forerunner. Just as any book of prophecy with multiple messages and topics. Why will you now just pick one part and color all with it.. 1 Like |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by wirinet(m): 7:50pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
petra1: Read from Malachi 1 verses 6 to the end and tell me who the Lord was referring to;
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Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by wirinet(m): 8:10pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
Even chapter 3 of Malachi was directed at the Lord's anger at the priests.
It is after the purifier purifies the priestly class that the Lord will accept the offerings of Judah and Jerusalem. I wonder where you guys get the notion that priests are infallible. Malachi shows that God can get angry at priests and curse them. 3 Likes |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by OkCornel(m): 8:21pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
petra1: Buhahahaha. So the goalpost has shifted from Malachi being addressed to nation of Israel to worshipers of God? Oya na… Job was not an Israelite, nor among the ancestral lineage of Israel. Can you show us biblical and historical evidences of Job tithing? Remember, Job is a worshipper of God too o. Can you also show us examples of gentile believers in the new covenant that tithed? Your attempt to dodge this question by asking if salvation is mandatory for gentiles is laughable. Abeg, what is the connection between tithing and salvation Oga Petra? Acts 15 & Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29 is the final mail on the coffin for tithe mongers. 1. Tithe was never an obligation for the gentile believers to obey. 2. God specifically requested what should be tithed, and it was never money. Unless y’all want to rewrite the scriptures to include that one. 1 Like |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by OkCornel(m): 8:25pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
petra1: You love quoting 1 Corinthians 9 v 13-14. Read the remaining verses na, let’s see the full picture; Read verse 15; “But I have not used any of these rights. And I am not writing this in the hope that you will do such things for me, for I would rather die than allow anyone to deprive me of this boast” Also read; Hebrews 13 v 10; 10 We have an altar from which those who minister at the tabernacle have no right to eat. |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by OkCornel(m): 8:31pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
petra1: And this “Israel” in the book of Malachi includes Nigerian Christians in this present dispensation abi? Well done o |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by wirinet(m): 8:32pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
OkCornel: Modern day scam artists in the guise of men of God have so battered the psyche of their members that they make them believe that the only way to success is by feeding their extravagant lifestyles, by twisting Malachi chapter 3 to their advantage. Instead of them to teach and encourage their members to improve their skills and abilities to succeed in life, they turn then into perpetual ATM machines. 2 Likes |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by petra1(m): 9:05pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
OkCornel: They were the people of God or the churxh of that generation |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by petra1(m): 10:19pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
OkCornel: The principles of God is for all God worshipers |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by petra1(m): 10:27pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
wirinet: That's your theory. The word of God is against extravagant lifestyle. Your extreme language is more like a distraction to the topic. If tithe is legit or not. Proof it with point . Instead of them to teach and encourage their members to improve their skills and abilities to succeed in life, The word of God is balance . There is place of hard work, there is place of grace and prayer . You can not dwell on one only. The Pastors at least do better . They teach on diligence. They teach against lazinessajs being slothful in businessetc. , non givers always exerggerate as though the whole 1 hr message every week is only on tithe. they turn then into perpetual ATM machines. That's your theory but that's not what is taught in churches. 1 Like |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by OkCornel(m): 10:31pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
petra1: 1. Did Job (a non-Israelite) tithe? 2. Can you give scriptural references where Gentile Christians tithed under the new covenant? 3. Did the Apostles tithe? Or these ones are no longer God worshippers too? |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by OkCornel(m): 10:33pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
Quiz of the day; Can someone open the scriptures and show us one verse where tithe and church (not temple o) were used in the same sentence? Una must get sense today. |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by petra1(m): 10:54pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
OkCornel: Tithe was instituted under Abrahamic covenant. Anyone who are offshoot of it tithed |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by OkCornel(m): 11:03pm On Feb 23, 2022 |
petra1: You are still dancing around the question. 1. Did Job (a non-Israelite) tithe? 2. Can you give scriptural references where Gentile Christians tithed under the new covenant? 3. Did the Apostles tithe? If your answer to the above questions is yes. Kindly provide scriptural/historical references. Not your assumptions. Thank you. |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by petra1(m): 4:07am On Feb 24, 2022 |
OkCornel: Anyone who are offshoot of Abrahamic covenant tithed . Kindly do the math 1 Like |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by wirinet(m): 4:30am On Feb 24, 2022 |
petra1: You are still skirting the question. Who are the offshoot of Abrahamic covenant that still tithe today - Judaism, islam or Christianity? Mind you only Word of Life Christians (Pentecostals) tithe. Read the meaning of the real Jewish tithe below instead of the perverted interpretation by greedy men of God like pastor Ibiyeomie - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.myjewishlearning.com/article/tithing/amp/
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Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by wirinet(m): 5:02am On Feb 24, 2022 |
petra1: In addition there is no evidence that Abraham or any of his descendants tithes compulsorily. The tithe Abraham paid to Melchizedek was voluntary and it was once from the spoils of war. He paid it to Melchizedek because he allowed Abraham pass through his land to attack his enemy. There is no other record of Abraham paying tithe to anybody for the rest of his life. The children of Israel was not recorded to have paid tithes while in Egypt or while wondering in the desert for 40 years. Moses was not recorded to have paid anyone tithe. Joseph made a vow to pay tithe saying: ‘If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, so that I come back to my father’s house in peace, then shall the Lord be my God ... and of all that you shall give me I will surely give the tenth unto you." Joseph how was conditional and not compulsive, with a big if . We were not told if he actually paid the tithe and to whom. |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by petra1(m): 6:25am On Feb 24, 2022 |
wirinet: The hier of Abramahic covenant was not Ishmael but Jacob . Who also gave Gave God tithe Genesis 28:22 And this memorial pillar I have set up will become a place for worshiping God, and I will present to God a tenth of everything he gives me.” 1 Like |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by petra1(m): 9:57am On Feb 24, 2022 |
wirinet: Nobody use terms as "compulsory" The Questionis if tithe is legit or not. He paid it to Melchizedek because he allowed Abraham pass through his land to attack his enemy. Where is it written There is no other record of Abraham paying tithe to anybody for the rest of his life. It's not b the number of time. Some do daily ,monthly or annually . The point is the principle not the process The children of Israel was not recorded to have paid tithes while in Egypt or while wondering in the desert for 40 years. Its the reason God brought them out of Egypt to worship him because tithing stopped when they migrated to Egypt. God brought them out to resume worship . Tithes and offerings. A d he re enacted the law again Moses was not recorded to have paid anyone tithe. Moses was not recorded that he gave money to the poor either.
How did Jacob know about tithing if it wasn't an existing practice in his time . Did he go to war like Abraham? Judge ye! We were not told if he actually paid the tithe and to whom. He did. 1 Like |
Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by OkCornel(m): 12:00pm On Feb 24, 2022 |
petra1: Did these people I mentioned tithe? If yes, show us scriptural/historical references. I don’t want assumptions to “do the math” Thanks |
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