complexBoss12:


I am actually in this position right, the only difference being that my legs are on a Chair and the toilet is bit farther than that.

You Displace of maturity just got to me......the picture is not meant for you SIR..but just generalising..my humble apologies.

chronique:


Does Finland have a thriving democracy? Do they share borders with Russia?

Finland is a democratic nation with population of 5M. Ukraine population is around 44M, second largest nation in eastern Europe after Russia. It has potential to influence Russia compared to a smaller finland which was never part of SU.

Pls let's talk about our own problems about to loom b4 or after 2023, na that one concern us pas. Leave those crazy white people to fhuck themselves

backbencher:



I am aware of all that, and aware of why Russia does all that...which is why I have repeatedly said....Russia has valid concerns.

But those concerns don't knock off Ukranian concerns either. Nor does it knock off Ukraine's desire not to be a Russian colony as well.

Which is why I ain't taking sides here, like you are doing. As far as I am concerned...na East side -West Side. Tupac vs Biggy , Political style.

You are nave in believing this is a debating society issue. It is not about right or wrong but might. You can live in denial about that but that is the reality of the world we live in
Whether in Iraq Libya or Venezuela. It is not about debate or rhetoric. Ultimately when push comes to shove guns prevail and Russia is not doing anything new. Not so long ago Europeans sat in Berlin took a map of Africa and divided the continent among themselves . There was no debate. They did it because they can
America since then has invaded countless countries BECAUSE THEY CAN

Nothing has changed and if you believe otherwise you are very naive

Guns versus Grammar

The real question is could the West have made concessions ? Yes but they talked tough and ultimately

THEY BETRAYED the Ukrainians

PHIPEX:
So Ukraine has no right to determine where to align? What then is the essence of sovereignty if smaller countries must take permission from bigger countries before they make their own internal decision.

It was already aligned with Russia and signed treaties to that effect

Nice one

perambulator:


No he isnt, he knows the west is coming for him and if he doesnt act now and Ukraine joins NATO he is bleeped!!!! Just like Trump spent his presidency trying to halt China's economic expansion!

The west are the real devils here, they talk a good talk but they are a bunch of hypocrites!!! they may have ended slavery but they are embarking on a different type of slavery, and right now the only countries in their way are China, Russia, Saudi, North Korea etc

Saudi ? That's number one puppet of the west in the middle east; a very useless country !

Princedapace:


Why did America go gaga when Russia wanted to build military relationship with Cuba?

Lol, make China go dey do military partnership with Mexico and see what USA will do.

No human on earth will like to have their enemy at their backyard. Not even USA.
USA also invaded a sovereign state.. They have done it many times..

That is what makes them world power which Russia is part of. World powers fight any country that threatens their interest.

US/Russia/Ukraine none of this countries are saints with clean history but you have to understand that this invasion on the basis of "self defense" makes no sense.

Ukraine CAN NOT join NATO.

And it has been like that for the past 8 or so years. Ukraine can't even join EU anytime soon. Russia already killed Ukraine's plan of joining NATO in 2014 by starting the disputes in Crimea that they have fueled ever since then. For a country to join NATO you need a lot of things, one of them is being free of border disputes.

Now I ask you, seeing that Ukraine is far far from joining NATO or EU, what then is the justification of this invasion?

pansophist:
Finally, a country that is making sense.

The US has bombed at least two hundred countries spreading their hegemony, but they are termed ''liberation, freedom, fight against evil, defend of democracy'' etc. Because ''you can'' doesn't mean ''you should'' join nato, if not, Iran should not be sanctioned to death because it want to create nuclear weapons, and the US should not have almost nuked Cuba when Russia placed its missiles there in the '60s. Right now, Cuba is still under the heaviest sanctions for so many decades. Why the double standards?

I don't want to live in a world where the rule that applies to one, is used to punish the other. Sadly, lots of zombies are happy in such kind of world. Only the ''power of media'' Russia doesn't have, that is why it seems like everyone is sympathetic to Ukrainians. How about the thousands of ethnic Russians Ukraine have killed in Donbas? The west ignored all these because they want to use Ukraine as a pawn to contain Russia. And after Russia, probably China, and then, the whole world will permanently be chained under western hegemony. If you think colonialism was bad, you haven't seen anything yet. Just pray that day never comes. As an example, 8 out of every Nigerians (even Africans and the third world) rely on China for loans, cheap phones, and manufacturing. If they go down, how can you survive?

This is about the survival of Russia as a country and humanity as a whole because when it comes to survival, international law can go to hell. You should be alive first, before talking about the law. The security of and existence of Russia have to be guaranteed before it can grow economically. What's the point of letting NATO in your backyard, and even if you develop like Norway, you can be nuked within ten mins, making it impossible to defend and retaliate? be careful when you support the west. This is a fight against evil.

America the big player here... sooner or later they will be exposed fully... wicked west and their wicked oga America

Danwakae:



Russia does not have riiite to attack Ukraine for joining any body ... That's why it's a sovereign state , can make decision on its own ...look are Putin is killer innocent people , how many people has Putin fear(NATO) killed ??, where is the NATO now ?.... What about Israel that is border by almost all enemies .?, wht didn't Israel attack Lebanon for allowinv enemies to set a military base in Lebanon ??... This is pure oppression... No amount of sanction can bring back the lives Putin killed

Yes, and Russia also knows, from history, that it is right to be paranoid.

In 1808, Russia and France were buddies. 1812...France invaded russia.

In 1939, Stalin, against his usual paranoia, signed a peace treaty with Nazi Germany, despite Adolf stating in mein kampf that it was Gemrany's manifest destiny to conquer Russia and depopulate it. Two years later.....Germany invades Russia.

Now NATO is expanding into areas that were Russia's sphere of influenceputting it under risk. Yes, USA may not invade Russia...but Russia is still at risk from its western borders.

If you were a Russian leader, what would you do? With history on your side. (Stalin really regretted forgetting his history lessons in school).


And yes, I do not support Russia invading Ukraine. But NATO should remember that Russia cannot relax like that. Bitten five times..or more...

Kingpin1000:

.should Russia allow NATO to build a base in Ukraine?

So, you just want us to hear you,abi?
Ukraine has not even joined NATO,it is still proposal and the country Populace said it will definitely join,by their opinions.
So, proposal is now destroying the Country( Ukraine)by your Mr PUTIN,while Russia cities should continue in Peace'.
So proposal by Cuba for Missiles then means America should just destroy Cuba!
You like an autocratic leader no doubt!

HedwigesMaduro:


I don't trust China. They are playing siddon look tactics. If Russia succeeds in taking over the Ukraine, all the sovereign nations surrounding China are not safe.

What will work best for China is Russia vs NATO war.
If such occur, China will emerge as the undisputed world power because
the 2 sides will wear themselves out.

baralatie:

China releases a statement

…….published by RT, the Russian news agency

Oghene1st:
Beijing believes the West should address Moscow’s “legitimate security demands”


https://www.rt.com/news/550748-china-sanctions-dont-work/

as it should be. People are just blind. You think Russia can just wake up and go to war . Americans and nato knows what they are doing. It’s so unfortunate that it’s the citizens of Ukraine that is bearing the cost .. fucc Americans and nato

aribisala0:
You are nave in believing this is a debating society issue. It is not about right or wrong but might. You can live in denial about that but that is the reality of the world we live in
Whether in Iraq Libya or Venezuela. It is not about debate or rhetoric. Ultimately when push comes to shove guns prevail and Russia is not doing anything new. Not so long ago Europeans sat in Berlin took a map of Africa and divided the continent among themselves . There was no debate. They did it because they can
America since then has invaded countless countries BECAUSE THEY CAN

Nothing has changed and if you believe otherwise you are very naive

Guns versus Grammar

The real question is could the West have made concessions ? Yes but they talked tough and ultimately

THEY BETRAYED the Ukrainians

Yes, they betrayed the Ukrainians, because sending in troops would have led to nuclear war.

You want that? You really think that nuclear war is your grandfather's war? (If you want an idea of what nuclear war is...google the film Threads (1983)).

Even then, there are ways to resolve this issue that don;t require invasion, and nato membership...and it starts from Ukraine itself. The real fight is between two power blocs there IN ukraine. Russia, the US and company are their proxies.

This is what every reasonable person is saying the hypocrisy of the west is second to none. By just assuring Russia of this there won't have been this unnecessary provocation in the first place. They know what they are doing and are now making Russia looks like the evil. Why won't they allow Ukriane to join the EU but want her to join NATO?

PHIPEX:
So Ukraine has no right to determine where to align? What then is the essence of sovereignty if smaller countries must take permission from bigger countries before they make their own internal decision.

No it does not. Germany took over Ukraine in the WWII and used it to invade Russia
at the end 24 million Russians died
Russia liberated Ukraine from the Nazis ad with that background Ukraine owes Russia and will never be allowed to align with Russia's enemies

This principle of neutrality is not new to anyone who knows European History


Just like The US is saying Iran will never get Nuclear weapons
Just like has been repeated a dozen times that the US won't allow missiles in Cuba so also Russia won' allow NATO in Ukraine.
Nations that are strong take steps to protect their interest
Anyone who does not like it can do their worst

Kingpin1000:
Everyone can see NATO are the aggressors and Russians are just defending themselves from a sudden attack on the west.

. No they are not. They just succeeded in getting Putin to hurt Russia.
Putin should have been smarter than this.
He should have wooed Ukraine instead, but I think he has issues with pride. This his line of action is not the best. It would hurt Russia.

Kingpin1000:
Everyone can see NATO are the aggressors and Russians are just defending themselves from a sudden attack on the west

Have you been living under Aso Rock with the man who is now in Paris to fix his problematic ears again

seguno2:


…….published by RT, the Russian news agency

Well!
CNN and bbc won't publish this type of news nau!
If it was china sanction Russia
It will be tabloid

Kingpin1000:
Everyone can see NATO are the aggressors and Russians are just defending themselves from a sudden attack on the west.

A state should be allow to decide her alliances.
The Chinese will always support Russian due to the tension and their strategic objective to get Hong Kong and Taiwan, under their claw.
It is all about suppression of states ( nations)

VEHINTOLAR:


Saudi ? That's number one puppet of the west in the middle east; a very useless country !

if they are puppets why havent the west imposed their values on them democracy civil rights etc? The power of the Saudis is not military but Oil and the west cannot Bleep with Saudi right now but if they succeed with their green agenda, Saudi will lose their power will come into play and the west will start dictating to them.

complexBoss12:
It's a pity that the people of Ukraine will be sacrificed for a new world order. As I said in my previous post few days ago, Putin would rather seen an end to the world than end like Hitler, and just today, he put nuclear weapons on alert over sanctions.

Putin ain't playing by any rules.

Ukrainian President thinks it sounds good to "die a hero" But I will tell you guys for free "there is nothing heroic about death". If you have watched someone die, it's painful and inglorious.

Recognizing than someone is stronger than you is not a sign of weakness but strength. The president of Ukraine is being used as a pawn, in a game that is bigger him. He is sacrificing his people for stupid pride. It's a natural law that the weak, should be subject to the strong. Talk to Putin, negotiate. mind you that, Russia hasn't even started war, they are more less playing the deplomatic game of threatening you to come for negotiation, if they decide to end Ukraine in 24 hours it will be done.

You can still quote me and talk rubbish, but sentiment don't win wars. I am being practical here. In international politics, once deplomacy fails, people get hurt.

Fvck you. Now accept you are weak and leave the brave to die like a soldier.

prophetfire:
. No they are not. They just succeeded in getting Putin to hurt Russia.
Putin should have been smarter than this.
He should have wooed Ukraine instead, but I think he has issues with pride. This his line of action is not the best. It would hurt Russia.

Mehn!
You got the game plan!
The west just played Putin into hurting both Ukraine and Russia without firing a single bullet.
All made possible because of a comedian president called zelensky

Truthisunique2:
Putin don dey beg China to speak Against sanction on his behalf

If Ukraine is a sovereign state then it has its right to determine who it alligns with

Swallow your pride and woo Ukraine, everything no be force

You get am well.

Kingpin1000:

.should Russia allow NATO to build a base in Ukraine?

Has NATO built a base in Ukraine?
Has NATO said it will build a base there
Did NATO build a base in Georgia and Ukraine before Putin invaded and annexed parts of the two countries in 2008 and 2014?
So what are you saying again

backbencher:


Yes, they betrayed the Ukrainians, because sending in troops would have led to nuclear war.

You want that? You really think that nuclear war is your grandfather's war? (If you want an idea of what nuclear war is...google the film Threads (1983)).

Even then, there are ways to resolve this issue that don;t require invasion, and nato membership...and it starts from Ukraine itself. The real fight is between two power blocs there IN ukraine. Russia, the US and company are their proxies.

So why did they start this in the first place
Why did they overthrow the government in 2014 and give them false hope to confront Russia knowing it would end in tears

I do not think there is any need to talk about people's grandfathers because of Ukraine

It does not show good upbringing

Ki la gbe ki le ju

On top wetin? Guy calm down

Kingpin1000:
Everyone can see NATO are the aggressors and Russians are just defending themselves from a sudden attack on the west.

Do you know the meaning of "aggressor"?

Between NATO and Russia, who is the aggressor?

ObamaMessi:
Na now the guy enter one chance.

CHINA AND RUSSIA HAVE BILATERAL TIES AND HAD BEEN IN AGREEMENT BEFORE THE INVASION IN UKRAINE. SO NO SURPRISE THAT CHINA WILL SUPPORT RUSSIA TECHNICALLY.

ivolt:
Of course, China will speak out against sanctions as it is also a victim of many sanctions.

But what Putin really needs from China is an outright declaration of support.
Unfortunately for Putin, China has always been opposed to invading sovereign countries under any pretence.
It cannot back the invasion without destroying its long held anti-invasion stand.

Gbam!
-You know China too wants to be World leader where everyone will learn the nonsense Mandarin language! I hope you know in China so many Shops that Blackman can't enter! It's written boldly' Blacks are not allowed'.
-To worsen the situation for Russian-Putin,China will not even allow Russian to be number 2 in the World of Power.
-China is also watching how the situation end because of Taiwan that is growing wings every now and then!

Truthisunique2:
Putin don dey beg China to speak Against sanction on his behalf

If Ukraine is a sovereign state then it has its right to determine who it alligns with

Swallow your pride and woo Ukraine, everything no be force

seams you have a satelite or beacon like device that helps you see and observe things from distant?

perambulator:


if they are puppets why havent the west imposed their values on them democracy civil rights etc? The power of the Saudis is not military but Oil and the west cannot Bleep with Saudi right now but if they succeed with their green agenda, Saudi will lose their power will come into play and the west will start dictating to them.

You are your father's child, well said. The green drive is baseless and will take a long time to nature