GraciousGod190:
https://www.nairaland.com/7080619/father-dragging-moms-property-me


Reading all the abuses I got from nairaland, from fellow nairalanders calling me a bastard, ungrateful son all because I was fighting for what was right and not material things.

My mom before she left us, the properties were passed down to her from her parents,(which some they inherited from their Grandparents) she didn't really have to do nothing a full time house wife.. because only the house rents alone she receives from tenants a year from different buildings kept her okay.... some were used for my education, I was made to understand here on nairaland that those properties belong more to my dad, so he can sell it out any way he deem fit... since he married her,. Even though they are ancestral properties.


But, I still don't agree....


So I reported my father to the most senior man in my mother's kindreds, from her father side. I went there on Saturday evening and narrated everything to him...the first thing he said was


YOUR FATHER NOR FIT (in our native language)

He was so angry that he had to call another man and told him everything on the phone, I went back to my house..... and got a call Sunday afternoon to come back around, to my surprise I saw my father there with lots of extended family members and they gave him a stern warning not to try anything funny with those lands.

That our trybe don't sell family lands, house.. inherited property.. that what even gave him the right to think about doing something like that in law for that matter... while my mom has a son...they even said I as the son can't even sell those lands talkless my father.

They ask him, if it was financial issue that gave him that thinking, at first he wanted to deny about selling before he admitted it...my father is not poor, a retired nnpc staff receiving his pension steadily.....he just likes having a lot of money to spend anyhow.... and seeing those lands available he thought he could sell them... but the family proved him wrong and there's nothing he can do about it.

I haven't called my mother kindreds from my my mother side, still observing.. while we Left the meeting, my dad was cold all through..I know he must have narrated to some of his educated friends..let's see if he will take this to court.

This doesn't have nothing to do with me again, but with my mothers kindreds.

Property is not more important than family. No matter what happens don't lose your father to properties.

thebosstrevor1:
This is a family property on the mother side. An ancestral land, land own before they got married. The law court treats family properties owned by spouses before the marriage as separate properties. So the husband has no right to any property a woman own before marriage

You obviously do not follow the discussion. The poster himself said the mother's siblings tried but failed to take the property because the mother's father, before his own death, gave the mother the property. So, the mother's father legally willed the property to the mother. This is why only the mother enjoyed the benefits from the property. But the mother died without willing it to the poster legally. And as long as the poster's father is legally married to the poster's mother, the father owns the property. The poster will be in charge when his father dies.

Ikem11:


Brother in legitimate marriage and especially when it comes to property dispute, kinsmen don't matter once the case goes to court.

Even in village properties we still have customary courts that handles such cases.

This boy is just a son without a will from her mother. What right does he have over his father who married his father? Sometimes you kids make a silly mistakes.

You say kinsmen don't have say in family/inherited properties? Do you know the name on those properties?

Lol.

immortalcrown:
You said your mother inherited the property from her father. You said your mother's siblings tried but failed to collect the property because your maternal grandfather, before his death, gave your mother the property. So, as long as your father legally married your mother and your mother died, your father owns the property. The only thing that can change it is if your mother legally willed the property to you before her death. Did your mother write a will concerning the property? If yes, who does the will mention as the owner of the property? If no will, your father owns the property. I am not typing anyhow. I am educating you. But I am not forcing the knowledge on you. You have the right to reject the knowledge if you detest the knowledge.

You and your wack advise, which law says that if you marry someone you automatically become their heir?

If the OP is a kid, your line if thought holds water, as the man will argue that the he cannot manage the affairs and the deceased did not leave any directive to hold it in trust for the kids.

In this case the op is a grown adult, and has as much claim to the property as the father.
I assume his deceased mother left no will, but OP if you can find even a single document such as your Mum's bank account etc where you mother named you as her heir or next of kin, you can prove to any court that your mother never intended your father to inherit from her.



The second issue, I do not know where you are from, but do not be a kid. Your mother's people that you reported to might be the crocodile to swallow you.

My advise is find a way to legitimise the properties in your name. Are they registered, if not, first register an investment company with cac, in which you and your siblings are the 100% owners. If you are an only child, then take 99% and give your father 1% without telling him. Find a surveyor, survey and register the lands on which the properties are located in the name if your company. In future you pass the company to your kids with your own guidelines without dabbling into tradution inheritance practices. Also nobody can claim to be a brother or sister or father of the company, that limits their incursion.

KiNg0G:
Betterstyle,

Opnairaland is filled with the most fustrated and depressed souls of the earth planet. You were carry issue come, make them advice you na I blame.





Your father nor fit carry your mama people go court...
Imagine.


in-law takes wife kindred to court over family inheritance.

It make sense abi, na loosing on arrival...

When family change am for am say that land nor be only your mama own .. he go behave

the Judge go be, so nah cause of those properties you married her when

GraciousGod190:


Do you read at all?
They said I as a son can't even sell those land, talkless my father.

What does that mean to you?

He doesn't own any property there, according to our tradition.
In-law has no right whatsoever to decide his wife inheritance... except the children.

All your father needs is a lawyer and all these your yeye greed will be over.

Don't go and work hard and develop yourself you are here killing yourself over inherited properties that belongs to your father.

phemmyfour:
It's not about dragging, it's what's obtainable under the law. Nothing stop the boy from acquiring his own properties instead of focusing on ancestral properties from his mother's linage.

2. That saying that it's a taboo or we don't sell ancestral land/properties from where he came from is balderdash. How many people from his hometown did he know

1) The Op has his property, go read his previous thread, his dad wants to sell his mother's property for no tangible reason, that is the problem.

2) That other people from his place do sell theirs does not mean he should follow bandwagon, they don't sell ancestral properties in his mother's family means they don't sell and would never sell it, end of story.

immortalcrown:
I have been vindicated once again. The kindred only cautioned your father not to sell the property because the kindred's tradition does not permit the selling of such property. But the kindred did not say you have more right than your father over the property.

Your argument was the property is your right. I told you your father owns the property. I said he owns the property despite the fact that his attempt to sell the property is bad. Fools disagreed with me.

Good evening, there is no need calling people fools ok. As i maintained in first thread that OP should sit down and reach a compromise with his dad on the said properties because since there is no will; the properties belong to the dad more than the OP.

Secondly, since his dad is an NNPC retiree, his pension alone will run into hundred of thousands and as such will be enough to sustain him, let both of them sit down and talk.

Lastly, in the first thread, the OP sees himself as the rightful owner of the properties but here, the in-laws are against him selling the properties which he has been collecting rents on, so who is the rightful owner of the properties? The last thing i will do is to drag my dad to our in-laws because it's an insult. I hope that he would not open another thread tomorrow saying that the in-laws are dragging those properties with him.

ibechris:



Brother,u see this forum is inundated with people whose background is rooted in extreme poverty. Most times when matters like this come up,they just wished why not me hence their reasons for antagonising anyone who comes for advice bothering on money,properties and women.

In fact,anytime u come up here for opinions such as the earlier one,pls listen to few responsible ones and leave those cursed ones to their destiny.

They have nothing soothing or advice to give but haul all kinds of insults at you just to proof to you how they also insult their parents at home.

Thank God u got a solution to this and i am sure mum would be happy up there.

Cheers!

Vanity upon vanity, his grandparents and his mum left those property likewise him, so why all these story with you billionaire

GraciousGod190:
https://www.nairaland.com/7080619/father-dragging-moms-property-me


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That our trybe don't sell family lands, house.. inherited property.. that what even gave him the right to think about doing something like that in law for that matter... while my mom has a son...they even said I as the son can't even sell those lands talkless my father.


This doesn't have nothing to do with me again, but with my mothers kindreds.

You talked about your mum having to fight for the properties, being an only daughter.

And you had to go to the same people that didn't want to let her have the property.

The family is saying that, even you, an only son, does not have a right on the properties.

You've blown out an internal problem to one that will be difficult to manage and out of your control.

This is a loss in disguise.

In your mind, they have your interest at heart

It's okay, but don't use violence.

;

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO

1st thing you suppose to do, you don't even need to engage in any argument with him, always set him up like that till the case die down, good luck!

thebosstrevor1:


No. The property does not belong to the husband, legally this was gotten before they married.

Only properties gotten during the marriage can any of the couple own

Gbam..abeg make dose guys stop their argument dem dey derail the guy thread..

GraciousGod190:


Do you read at all?
They said I as a son can't even sell those land, talkless my father.

What does that mean to you?

He doesn't own any property there, according to our tradition.
In-law has no right whatsoever to decide his wife inheritance... except the children.

Is your mum's tribe Igbo?

immortalcrown:
You obviously do not follow the discussion. The poster himself said the mother's siblings tried but failed to take the property because the mother's father, before his own death, gave the mother the property. So, the mother's father legally willed the property to the mother. This is why only the mother enjoyed the benefits from the property. But the mother died without willing it to the poster legally. And as long as the poster's father is legally married to the poster's mother, the father owns the property. The poster will be in charge when his father dies.

You are busy writing legally and i told you what legally occurs.

In Nigerian law, if a woman or a man owns a property before the marriage, the law treats it as a seperate entity. In this case, the property isn't owned by the man legally even of it is not willed.

GerogeI:


You and your wack advise, which law says that if you marry someone you automatically become their heir?

If the OP is a kid, your line if thought holds water, as the man will argue that the he cannot manage the affairs and the deceased did not leave any directive to hold it in trust for the kids.

In this case the op is a grown adult, and has as much claim to the property as the father.
I assume his deceased mother left no will, but OP if you can find even a single document such as your Mum's bank account etc where you mother named you as her heir or next of kin, you can prove to any court that your mother never intended your father to inherit from her.



The second issue, I do not know where you are from, but do not be a kid. Your mother's people that you reported to might be the crocodile to swallow you.

My advise is find a way to legitimise the properties in your name. Are they registered, if not, first register an investment company with cac, in which you and your siblings are the 100% owners. If you are an only child, then take 99% and give your father 1% without telling him. Find a surveyor, survey and register the lands on which the properties are located in the name if your company. In future you pass the company to your kids with your own guidelines without dabbling into tradution inheritance practices. Also nobody can claim to be a brother or sister or father of the company, that limits their incursion.

You are the one sounding wack. In marriage, the husband and the wife own each other's property except if one of them legally wills the property to another person. Just like in this case, the mother's father legally willed the property to her and that is why her siblings could neither take the property nor get a share of the benefit. But the woman died without willing the property legally to her son.

This doesn't have nothing to do with me again, but with my mothers kindreds.[/quote]

OP, you’ve done the right thing and I’m sure she’s really proud of you but pls, for the sake of peace, sit your father down and explain things to him in the vest, humblest way he would understand. Make him understand that you’re doing this for the sake of your children (his children and generation unborn) Don’t entertain those maternal relatives at the expense of your biological father. I’m sure he will have a rethink

Biglittlelois:



1) The Op has his property, go read his previous thread, his dad wants to sell his mother's property for no tangible reason, that is the problem.

2) That other people from his place do sell theirs does not mean he should follow bandwagon, [s]they don't sell ancestral properties in his mother's family means they don't sell and would never sell it[/s], end of story.

That's a lie from the pit of hell
How many people did he know from his mother's side

2. If his name is not on the will, he's on the wrong side of the law to be in charge of those properties. The law is clear on who owns properties in a case of man and wife when there is no Will

immortalcrown:
You said your mother inherited the property from her father. You said your mother's siblings tried but failed to collect the property because your maternal grandfather, before his death, gave your mother the property. So, as long as your father legally married your mother and your mother died, your father owns the property. The only thing that can change it is if your mother legally willed the property to you before her death. Did your mother write a will concerning the property? If yes, who does the will mention as the owner of the property? If no will, your father owns the property. I am not typing anyhow. I am educating you. But I am not forcing the knowledge on you. You have the right to reject the knowledge if you detest the knowledge.

Yes by law but by common sense who sells his wife's inheritance or fights his son's over his wife's property..... this are crazy times... men!! so many shameless male specimen.... thank God for the sensible ones

Biglittlelois:



Kudos to your culture, I love the fairness accorded to all involved regardless of the gender, nice one.

Thank you. Everyday I try to make people understand that not all African culture are misogynist.

Me for example, I can go to my maternal grandmother's home and ask for what's due to me and I will be given. They consider me a son of the family just like everyone else.

immortalcrown:
You are the one sounding wack. In marriage, the husband and the wife own each other's property except if one of them legally wills the property to another person. Just like in this case, the mother's father legally willed the property to her and that is why her siblings could neither take the property nor get a share of the benefit. But the woman died without willing the property legally to her son.

Oga, na lie. The law exists only in your head.
Husband and wife own things that they acquire together. Things that are seperated remains seperated. He need to give a court a good reason in the absence of a will, before assuming ownership. In his case where the woman has grown kids, that reason is far fetched.

thebosstrevor1:
You are busy writing legally and i told you what legally occurs. In Nigerian law, if a woman or a man owns a property before the marriage, the law treats it as a seperate entity. In this case, the property isn't owned by the man legally even of it is not willed.

Not in this case, as long as the mother did not will the property to anybody and as long as the poster's father is legally married to the woman. Therefore, the poster should stop claiming ownership of the property.

immortalcrown:
Not in this case, as long as the mother did not will the property to anybody and as long as the poster's father is legally married to the woman. Therefore, the poster should stop claiming ownership of the property.

It has nothing to do with willed or legally married.

This was a property gotten before the marriage. The father does not have any right to it.

GerogeI:
Oga, na lie. The law exists only in your head.
Husband and wife own things that they acquire together. Things that are seperated remains seperated. He need to give a court a good reason in the absence of a will, before assuming ownership. In his case where the woman has grown kids, that reason is far fetched.

Madam, so, who owns the property now?

thebosstrevor1:
It has not to do with willed or legally married. This was a property gotten before the marriage.

Then, who owns it now and on what ground does the person own it?

Ybaby:
Yes by law but by common sense who sells his wife's inheritance or fights his son's over his wife's property..... this are crazy times... men!! so many shameless male specimen.... thank God for the sensible ones

Your response to me is childish because I condemn the selling attempt. Your response would have been needed if I support the selling attempt.

Biglittlelois:



So women inheriting properties is seen as confusion? You are really proud of the obvious bias, SMH

@bolded is that the point of this thread? Do you think an inherited ancestral property from the husband's side will be passed to the wife if he dies? It will instead be given to the offsprings.

A woman defending injustice being melted on her and demonizing a culture that gives her equal right.

Lol. Isn't this amazing? Surprised that came from a female. Like some low-key enjoy being suppressed.

Efewestern:


The Father has no single right over such property. The moment he makes any funny move, the properties will be seized by the woman's family in collaboration with the OP.

These are inhiritance not something built during the course of their marriage. Only a direct offspring like the OP has legitimate claim to theses lands and properties.

Had OP's mother never given birth, the woman's family will repossess those properties.

GraciousGod190 kudos for standing up. May God give you more wisdom.

I'm against selling those properties and because the OP's father is an NNPC retiree makes him comfortable with his pension. My position from the first thread is that OP should sit down and talk with his father. The father is not poor so there is no need for selling those properties.

OP should be careful how he drag his dad lest he will come out tomorrow creating another thread on how the in-laws are dragging those properties with him, they have already seen an avenue.

GraciousGod190:
https://www.nairaland.com/7080619/father-dragging-moms-property-me


Reading all the abuses I got from nairaland, from fellow nairalanders calling me a bastard, ungrateful son all because I was fighting for what was right and not material things.

My mom before she left us, the properties were passed down to her from her parents,(which some they inherited from their Grandparents) she didn't really have to do nothing a full time house wife.. because only the house rents alone she receives from tenants a year from different buildings kept her okay.... some were used for my education, I was made to understand here on nairaland that those properties belong more to my dad, so he can sell it out any way he deem fit... since he married her,. Even though they are ancestral properties.


But, I still don't agree....


So I reported my father to the most senior man in my mother's kindreds, from her father side. I went there on Saturday evening and narrated everything to him...the first thing he said was


YOUR FATHER NOR FIT (in our native language)

He was so angry that he had to call another man and told him everything on the phone, I went back to my house..... and got a call Sunday afternoon to come back around, to my surprise I saw my father there with lots of extended family members and they gave him a stern warning not to try anything funny with those lands.

That our trybe don't sell family lands, house.. inherited property.. that what even gave him the right to think about doing something like that in law for that matter... while my mom has a son...they even said I as the son can't even sell those lands talkless my father.

They ask him, if it was financial issue that gave him that thinking, at first he wanted to deny about selling before he admitted it...my father is not poor, a retired nnpc staff receiving his pension steadily.....he just likes having a lot of money to spend anyhow.... and seeing those lands available he thought he could sell them... but the family proved him wrong and there's nothing he can do about it.

I haven't called my mother kindreds from my my mother side, still observing.. while we Left the meeting, my dad was cold all through..I know he must have narrated to some of his educated friends..let's see if he will take this to court.

This doesn't have nothing to do with me again, but with my mothers kindreds.

Seriously it isn't right or moral for your Dad to sell the land especially since he isn't even having financial difficulty. Your mother's people just Threatened him but didn't settle the case. But the fact remains that since your mum doesn't have any will that property belongs more to your father than to you in the eyes of the law

GraciousGod190:
https://www.nairaland.com/7080619/father-dragging-moms-property-me


Reading all the abuses I got from nairaland, from fellow nairalanders calling me a bastard, ungrateful son all because I was fighting for what was right and not material things.

My mom before she left us, the properties were passed down to her from her parents,(which some they inherited from their Grandparents) she didn't really have to do nothing a full time house wife.. because only the house rents alone she receives from tenants a year from different buildings kept her okay.... some were used for my education, I was made to understand here on nairaland that those properties belong more to my dad, so he can sell it out any way he deem fit... since he married her,. Even though they are ancestral properties.


But, I still don't agree....


So I reported my father to the most senior man in my mother's kindreds, from her father side. I went there on Saturday evening and narrated everything to him...the first thing he said was


YOUR FATHER NOR FIT (in our native language)

He was so angry that he had to call another man and told him everything on the phone, I went back to my house..... and got a call Sunday afternoon to come back around, to my surprise I saw my father there with lots of extended family members and they gave him a stern warning not to try anything funny with those lands.

That our trybe don't sell family lands, house.. inherited property.. that what even gave him the right to think about doing something like that in law for that matter... while my mom has a son...they even said I as the son can't even sell those lands talkless my father.

They ask him, if it was financial issue that gave him that thinking, at first he wanted to deny about selling before he admitted it...my father is not poor, a retired nnpc staff receiving his pension steadily.....he just likes having a lot of money to spend anyhow.... and seeing those lands available he thought he could sell them... but the family proved him wrong and there's nothing he can do about it.

I haven't called my mother kindreds from my my mother side, still observing.. while we Left the meeting, my dad was cold all through..I know he must have narrated to some of his educated friends..let's see if he will take this to court.

This doesn't have nothing to do with me again, but with my mothers kindreds.

Is it like 'Kaakaka' or Oooteriii' or Ooooyoowiriii'
Which one because Urhoubo people dey stress word when angry. But u dey vex ooo. Carry Pale go kindred. I carry Ikebe for you

ALFADOS:
Vanity upon vanity, his grandparents and his mum left those property likewise him, so why all these story with you billionaire

Why do you like poverty.

Why do you think wealthy people create trust funds for their children and unborn children, so that they won't suffer.

Likewise, the so called vanity( properties) is there to make them survive even when the parents are no more.

After you guys will be shouting, life no balance because some people have a better standing than others.

These are some of the foundation created by parents to ease life for their future children