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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Cmanforall: 2:27pm On Jul 07, 2022
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Idiotseverywher: 2:27pm On Jul 07, 2022
Gemma11:


Even if they bring signed documentation from the boy, they still need to prove that the consent was one of goodwill and not one done because of money or incentive.
This is where the Ekweremadu's goose is cooked because why would a stranger just agree to give somebody he has never met one of his kidneys for free? The simple fact that Ekweremadu paid for David's flight to the UK, accomodated him in his house and fed him is enough for a guilty verdict.

The Modern Slavery Act 2015 is very clear.
. How old are you my man? You are just , reasoning to bigoted, there are kidney donors all over the world and it's legal once it is established, what they need to establish is if he is a willing donor which the documents he signed will establish , first the important thing has been proved he is not a minor. Then the next is was he a willing donor? That is what they will want to establish in the next hearing once they establish that, they will move the case to Nigeria because it's no more in their jurisdiction to try the matter
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by descarado: 2:28pm On Jul 07, 2022
ogbuefi677:

Na you want Ekweremadu to suffer for what he did not do,me I no follow
Wanting Ekweremadu to suffer because he is a Nigerian politician.
Had people like him done the needful, a hospital in Nigeria can do this transplant.
That is why people are angry.
Whenever they are sick, they will jet out but the poor are left to die in Nigeria cos they don't have money.

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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by etrange: 2:28pm On Jul 07, 2022
Nozino:



Misrepresentation? Do you have his birth record? If he says he is a minor and you can’t prove beyond all reasonable doubt that he isn’t a minor, then a minor he is. BVN records do not prove anything as they can be changed anytime several times. This ruling doesn’t change much for the criminal senator and his criminal wife.

I'm not sure you know how the law works. If the court rules he's not a minor, he's legally not a minor regardless of anything he says afterwards. So all these things you're saying were only applicable before the court's ruling; except he intends to appeal the judgment. Just like a sentence, a ruling is also considered conclusive.

Besides, you are wrong, it's not all about what he says, they're many biological ways to get an estimate of someone's age if it comes to that. The UK court does not depend on what he says alone.
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by descarado: 2:29pm On Jul 07, 2022
drnoel:


To test if he was a suitable donor. The young man knew what he was getting into.
Obviously he knew.
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Nozino: 2:31pm On Jul 07, 2022
Gemma11:


Even if they bring signed documentation from the boy, they still need to prove that the consent was one of goodwill and not one done because of money or incentive.
This is where the Ekweremadu's goose is cooked because why would a stranger just agree to give somebody he has never met one of his kidneys for free? The simple fact that Ekweremadu paid for David's flight to the UK, accomodated him in his house and fed him is enough for a guilty verdict.

The Modern Slavery Act 2015 is very clear.


Thank you oo. You’ve asked the right question. The criminal organ thieving senator and his wife should also provide proof that the “consent “ wasn’t given under duress or after financial incentives were offered.

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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Gemma11: 2:33pm On Jul 07, 2022
Lifestone:

Once he has been found to be a liar, his evidences are completely useless and will be so destroyed by any smart lawyer

Human Trafficking charge still stands

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/modern-slavery-human-trafficking-and-smuggling


[b]Human Trafficking - Section 2 Modern Slavery Act 2015
A person commits an offence if the person arranges or facilitates the travel of another person (V) with a view to V being exploited.
It is irrelevant whether the victim consents to the travel (whether V is an adult or child).
A person may in particular arrange or facilitate V's travel by recruiting V, transporting or transferring V, harbouring or receiving V, or transferring or exchanging control over V.
A person arranges or a person arranges or facilitates V's travel with a view to V being exploited only if:
the person intends to exploit V in any part of the world during or after travel; or
the person knows or ought to know that another person is likely to exploit V in any part of the world during or after travel.
Travel is defined as:
Arriving in, or entering, any country
Departing from any country, or
Travelling within any country.
A person who is a United Kingdom (UK) national commits an offence regardless of where the arranging or facilitating takes place, or where the travel takes place. In other words, this offence may be committed by a UK national anywhere in the world and no matter where V is travelling.
A person who is not a UK national commits an offence if any part of the arranging or facilitating takes place in the UK, or the travel consists of arrival or entry into, departure from, or travel within the UK.
Meaning of Exploitation

Removal of organs in circumstances where a person is encouraged required or expected to do anything which involves the commission of an offence under section 32 or 33 of the Human Tissue Act 2004 (prohibition of commercial dealings in organs and restrictions on use of live donors) as it has effect in England and Wales, or which would involve the commission of such an offence if it took place in England and Wales (section 3(4)).[/b]
Securing services etc. by force, threats or deception, where the person is subjected to force, threats or deception designed to induce him or her:
to provide services of any kind,
to provide another person with benefits of any kind, or
to enable another person to acquire benefits of any kind (section 3(5)).
Securing services etc. from children and vulnerable persons in circumstances where another person uses or attempts to use the person for a purpose within subsections (5) (a), (b) or (c), having chosen him or her for that purpose on the grounds that -
he or she is a child, is mentally or physically ill or disabled, or has a family relationship with a particular person, and
an adult, or a person without the illness, disability, or family relationship, would be likely to refuse to be used for that purpose (section 3(6)).



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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by LienwaltAbel(m): 2:34pm On Jul 07, 2022
descarado:

You don't get asylum that way my dear.
Lying under oath is a grievous offence.

He already have a tainted image when released.


If it's proven he gave consent,Case is dismissed. He will be sent back to Nigeria but a dent on his international passport which will haunt him later.

We all want the Ekweremadu to suffer but the law especially outside Nigeria always follow due process.
Lie under which oath? Have you read the boys full questioning in the witness box anywhere? He mislead the investigators, he didn't lie under any oath

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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by 1stGenAmerican(f): 2:35pm On Jul 07, 2022
Where’s a credible report of the alleged ruling stating that he isn’t a minor (which isn’t the issue at hand)? Why aren’t any credible UK sources reporting this supposed ruling? Fake news made up to distract Nigerians from the real crime committed again.
For those saying the boy is in trouble and the case has fallen apart, why is he still free living in Care in the UK while the Senator and his wife are still in jail? Why aren’t the news reports saying what really happened in court that prompted the senator and his wife to remain in jail until August?

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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by ogbuefi677(m): 2:35pm On Jul 07, 2022
descarado:

Wanting Ekweremadu to suffer because he is a Nigerian politician.
Had people like him done the needful, a hospital in Nigeria can do this transplant.
That is why people are angry.
Whenever they are sick, they will jet out but the poor are left to die in Nigeria cos they don't have money.
Ekweremadu should suffer for the one he did,not the one he didn't do.
He has been a legislator almost all his political life.
It is the job of the executive like buhari and the governors to build hospitals.
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by descarado: 2:35pm On Jul 07, 2022
obailala:
The hatred people have for Ekweremadu has just blocked their sense of reasoning. So many people in this thread rejoicing that he will be spending many years in jail; they obviously fail to see the real picture being that he just won the first hurdle in the case. The boy lying about being a minor already rubbishes the entire case in Ekweremadus favour.
Remaining if he was financially induced which has to be proven.
The problem now is the guy is an established liar. How will they believe him again.
Read it was medical visa.
Evidence he gave consent and case is dismissed.
Guy miscalculated
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by obailala(m): 2:36pm On Jul 07, 2022
lexy2014:


How is that? Pls explain
The boy claiming to be a 15 year old minor was the first red flag which got the authorities interested in the case. With that 'minor' claim proven to be false, it's the first victory for the Ekweremadus. Let's watch and seee how the case goes; no need for long arguments. My bet is that the Ekweremadus will eventually be let off the hook.
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by etrange: 2:36pm On Jul 07, 2022
Gemma11:


But did he lie under oath?

The Daily Mail said he had the passport of a 41 year old.
The Prosecutor said he was 15.
As I said David has not yet had his day in court where he has given evidence under oath.

The facts remaining are:
David is a Nigerian National who first entered the UK in Feburary this year with a visa application supported by Ekweremadu -Strike 1

David is now in the UK and was here for the purposes of Organ Donation. Strike 2 against the Ekweremadus' who paid for David flight and accomodation while in London (Why did they bring him to the UK?)

UK LAW specifically states that visitors to the UK are only allowed to donate organs to family or close personal relationship like spouse - Strike 3 against the Ekweremadus'
"You can only visit the UK to donate organs to: a family member who you're genetically related to (for example your sibling or parent) someone you have a close personal relationship with (for example your partner or friend)"
https://www.gov.uk/standard-visitor/visit-for-medical-reasons#:~:text=If%20you're%20visiting%20as,example%20your%20partner%20or%20friend)



If he lied under oath, he'd face legal charges for sure cause that would be perjury. However, regardless of whether he lied under oath or not, if he lied at all, passing the refugee hearing would still be a tough call. How do you think Asylum works? You just beg them and they'll give you? Have you ever been to a refugee hearing or spoken to anyone who has? If it's on record that he lied about his age (in or out if court), he'll have a hard time navigating that during his hearing. Those guys will scrutinize his story like crazy.

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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by descarado: 2:37pm On Jul 07, 2022
1stGenAmerican:
Where’s a credible report of the alleged ruling stating that he isn’t a minor (which isn’t the issue at hand)? Why aren’t any credible UK sources reporting this supposed ruling?
For those saying the boy is in trouble and the case has fallen apart, why is he still free living in Care in the UK while the Senator and his wife are still in jail? Why aren’t the news reports saying what really happened in court that prompted the senator and his wife to remain in jail until August?
Status quo is maintained until the final hearing.

It's an international crime.
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by LienwaltAbel(m): 2:37pm On Jul 07, 2022
Idiotseverywher:
. How old are you my man? You are just , reasoning to bigoted, there are kidney donors all over the world and it's legal once it is established, what they need to establish is if he is a willing donor which the documents he signed will establish , first the important thing has been proved he is not a minor. Then the next is was he a willing donor? That is what they will want to establish in the next hearing once they establish that, they will move the case to Nigeria because it's no more in their jurisdiction to try the matter
undecided person no even fit understand this rubbish wey you type self. Mr Man, it is a crime in most first world countries to buy organs from people. Google it and stop arguing blindly for one of the people who have damaged your country.

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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by SLOVFO(m): 2:37pm On Jul 07, 2022
an0daGuy:


Didn’t you read the expose the kid made before to the uk press? He was tricked into coming to the UK for a job offering and then he was told to go for a medical examination before resuming at the phantom job where it was already planned for his kidney to be stolen.

Why are you lying and supporting organ harvesters? angry
But such can't happen in the UK na. UK is not a third world country. You just can't take an organ from someone without the person's express consent in a UK hospital. I don't believe that the Ekweremmadu's were that daft and reckless.
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by HAYWHYBAM(m): 2:38pm On Jul 07, 2022
Nice write up, lesson learnt.
FreeStuffsNG:
Hmmm. This article below is a reminder again. Do not outsource your role as a father.


EKWEREMADU: Between Fatherhood and Ambition


I recall having this conversation with my wife during the week when the case of Sen. Ike Ekweremadu came up and I was completely in an incandescent shock that this man actually has a sick daughter yet has been all over the place attending political meetings for his political ambition instead of taking time out from the highly demanding world of politics to sort out his daughter's pressing health needs.


He was all over the place during the PDP  primaries, he lost the PDP gubernatorial primaries for Enugu state then started planning to decamp to APGA, then APC , reportedly taken to APC national Chairman by HE Uzodinma, Imo state Governor, when APC stalwarts in Enugu APC, led by their state APC Chairman, Chief Ugochukwu Agballah, outrightly rejected him. 

He eventually lost and , unlike previous election cycles, Senator Ekweremadu is not returning to the Nigerian Senate.He lost on all the political fronts.


Sen. Ike Ekweremadu was all over the place so much that it appeared like he did not follow through on the health and lifestyle choices of his children.


He did not follow through on what I believe is more important than his political ambition; the life of his daughter and a family at the low ebb of the apprehension of losing a child  to kidney failure.


Ike Ekeremadu was so consumed by his political ambition that he had no time and seriousness to do due diligence and background check on the character they got him as a donor for his daughter , I doubt if with his PhD, he even had the time to follow through and read up to ask the right questions from the professionals,  understand the risks and benefits of why it could be better for one member of his family of six to donate to the daughter instead of a stranger and seek help to find out if there are some of the tests which can be done on the stranger here in Nigeria before bundling a total stranger overseas. 


He was so consumed by politics that when the 22-year old donor went rogue and was allegedly scheming behind him to deny his age and report Ike and family to UK police, it probably escaped his detection and intervention soon enough so he can be the first to report to UK police and then return the donor to Nigeria for him to immediately restart the process of getting alternative donor(s) for his ailing daughter whose life was more important to him.


He forgot that he was first a father and husband before becoming a Senator,Deputy Senate President and SSG. 

He forgot that he will finish as a father and husband.


I compared Senator Ekweremadu to Joe Biden and I believe that he could have followed the Biden example. Then in 2015 , US Vice President Biden had a dying son and had the opportunity to contest in his party's primaries to emerge against Trump for the US Presidency but Biden stepped down from that race in order to support his dying son.


At a point, Biden was to sell his family house before Barack Obama intervened and offered to pay for the treatment. Biden's boy made his Dad promise him that no matter what happens, Biden must not give up his life long ambition to be US President, Biden's boy, Beau Biden later died. Biden grieved without the guilt of abandoning his son for his political ambition.


 In 2021, years after his son had passed on , Biden contested and won. There are many Nigerian politicians (and professionals) who will do like Biden but not like Ike.   


Family is so important that we even need the approval of a sick dying one before we place anything above their life


That is the lesson Ike missed and was almost about to lose from both ends as his wife who takes care of the daughter remains in prison until July 7 and now August 4.      


Last two Sundays ago was Father's Day , I really truly hope that fathers used that day to reflect and understand the real responsibility of fatherhood. It is the hardest job for a man but it gives the greatest reward if you do your best at it.


As a father , I have realized that it is not possible to outsource that role of a father and not pay heavy fines.  


May God heal that Ike Ekweremadu's daughter and may God help the Ike Ekweremadu family in this their difficult time. I know it is a difficult place for them. 

May God help all fathers to realise that "your child is your responsibility". 


That you pay all the bills and have a devoted and responsible wife/mother of your child won't still make up for your negligence. 


Your child is your responsibility and not even your ambition can replace what you will miss if you neglect your role in the life of your child. 


This a lesson to all fathers: Do not behave like Senator Ike Ekweremadu who was literally chasing rats around the house when his house was on fire.


May God help us all to succeed and may our children not develop kidney failure. May our labour of love and sacrifice be rewarded in our life time and when we are long gone, Amen.
Sunkanmi Vaughan is a Lagos-based Pharmacist and Author.

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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Nozino: 2:40pm On Jul 07, 2022
etrange:


I'm not sure you know how the law works. If the court rules he's not a minor, he's legally not a minor regardless of anything he says afterwards. So all these things you're saying were only applicable before the court's ruling; except he intends to appeal the judgment. Just like a sentence, a ruling is also considered conclusive.

Besides, you are wrong, it's not all about what he says, they're many biological ways to get an estimate of someone's age if it comes to that. The UK court does not depend on what he says alone.


Sir you’ve answered the question. The ruling can be appeal easily when the fact that BVN information can be updated and changed! With someone as powerful as the criminal senator, how difficult would it be to have the guy’s BVN information updated to reflect whatever he wants? The judge will surely consider this. Besides, this is the least charge the senator has to face.

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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by 1stGenAmerican(f): 2:40pm On Jul 07, 2022
obailala:
The boy claiming to be a 15 year old minor was the first red flag which got the authorities interested in the case. With that 'minor' claim proven to be false, it's the first victory for the Ekweremadus. Let's watch and seee how the case goes; no need for long arguments. My bet is that the Ekweremadus will eventually be let off the hook.

The boy never claimed he was 15, the doctors who alerted the authorities did. His age, though not a driving factor, has yet to be disproven and no credible news coming out of the UK has reported that.
If there was a victory in this case, the suspects wouldn’t be still rotting in jail. Whatever happened in court today was enough to keep them in custody.

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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by udumosam23(m): 2:41pm On Jul 07, 2022
DMerciful:
This boy might also be in trouble eventually

He should just do everything possible to remain in UK if not, if he comes back he is finished.
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by playpaz: 2:41pm On Jul 07, 2022
Imagine that Nigeria is like UK , do you think he will ever sell his kedney?

Ike Ekweremadu have been in the senate for years making sure that nothing works in Nigeria.
He made sure that ppl like this boy is poor so as to easily use them anyhow he wants.



Nbote:


How exactly did they swindle him? That Boy obviously willingly offered to sell his kidney to them but developed cold feet afta arriving the UK

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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by DWJOBScom(m): 2:42pm On Jul 07, 2022
an0daGuy:


Didn’t you read the expose the kid made before to the uk press? He was tricked into coming to the UK for a job offering and then he was told to go for a medical examination before resuming at the phantom job where it was already planned for his kidney to be stolen.

Why are you lying and supporting organ harvesters? angry

This is a lie and you know it
The dude lied about his age the moment he knew he was coming back to naija
You just pitched with hate for man you don't even know
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by naija4life247: 2:43pm On Jul 07, 2022
muykem:
They will be jailed.

They are already in jail. They can't escape it. But, if feel sorry for them. Any parent will do anything to save a child's life.

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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Henix(m): 2:43pm On Jul 07, 2022
wiseoneking:
Not really, he has passed the first hurdle. Pray for him or I will pray for you.

I should pray for a politician who has been among those looting our collective wealth for themselves and their generation unborn? U must be kidding.

Meanwhile, he has not passed any hurdle. Financial inducement for organ donation is a crime in UK. He committed a crime and will definitely serve a jail term. His only saving grace will be if Nigeria government succeeded in using diplomatic measures to get him and the case transferred to Nigeria

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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by SamOchuko: 2:43pm On Jul 07, 2022
Parachoko:
I've been right.

After seeing his picture, I knew there is no way he is a minor.

Can he be sent back to Nigeria after the case?


No sir, he’s not coming to Nigeria anytime soon so that political thugs can kill him, his not being a minor do not free Ekweremadu of organ harvesting charge.

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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by descarado: 2:43pm On Jul 07, 2022
LienwaltAbel:

Lie under which oath? Have you read the boys full questioning in the witness box anywhere? He mislead the investigators, he didn't lie under any oath
The govt get involved because he claimed he is a minor. When the news came out, we heard a 15 years old homeless Nigerian.....

Before all other evidence started surfacing.

He was quizzed of cause by the authority and he reaffirmed he is 15 yrs. That's lying under oath. You don't waste tax payers money chasing clout. This is not Nigeria. He has every opportunity retract his statement but he still maintained he is 15 yrs.
That has been established he is mot a minor.
Dear, you don't know what this means.
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by nedekid: 2:43pm On Jul 07, 2022
beejay85:

Sadly irrespective of his age,he will claim assylum..for possible political persecution..
FFK's article a few weeks ago is enough evidence that the political class "will be waiting for that stupid boy to enter Naija"
So assylum is sure for him grin
Asylum after lies? I doubt it as he has lost all credibility. He will be deported or at best giving asylum in the recent arrangement with Rywanda grin

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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by DWJOBScom(m): 2:43pm On Jul 07, 2022
thunder74:
The implications of this ruling is that the boy will not be given protection and asylum again. David is coming back to Nigeria.

So happy about it
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by 1stGenAmerican(f): 2:44pm On Jul 07, 2022
Nozino:



Sir you’ve answered the question. The ruling can be appeal easily when the fact that BVN information can be updated and changed! With someone as powerful as the criminal senator, how difficult would it be to have the guy’s BVN information updated to reflect whatever he wants? The judge will surely consider this. Besides, this is the least charge the senator has to face.

You’re on the right track and so is the UK court. It’s doubtful that they even took a look at the fraudulent information presented because they’ve seen their share of forged documents originating in Nigeria. I’ve no doubt that genetic testing was performed which is more credible than things that can’t be authenticated due to corruption however these guys fail to understand the gist of the alleged crime and how age plays no factor in it. They’re being willfully obtuse.

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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Nozino: 2:44pm On Jul 07, 2022
Lifestone:

Once he has been found to be a liar, his evidences are completely useless and will be so destroyed by any smart lawyer

Liar? How? Has he lied under oath ? Wasn’t he, a non relative and stranger to the sick lady, trafficked into the UK by the senator to either (1) donate his kidney after being offered monetary incentives (2) Harvest his kidney without his knowledge??

How do you people not understand that you can’t offer money to organ donors? It is a crime!!

And according to UK laws, you have to be either be a relative or a close friend to the patient to enter the UK on a visa and donate organs?

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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by BleedTears: 2:47pm On Jul 07, 2022
Beremx:
The court adjourned till August 4 is a welcome development. They should keep adjourning the case till 2023.
Meanwhile, I hope his daughter gets another donor. She shouldn’t suffer for his parents stupidity

She shouldn't suffer for her parents stupidity but she should enjoy her father's lot? Funny

Did she ever asked the father to build hospital with the 200 million he receives yearly as Constituency Allowance? No she was busy using part of the money to fly around the world and live a very good live in a developed country, while the people who elected the father suffer in a Constituency with no basic amenities. She deserve worse than whatever she's passing through right now.

Do you know how many poor people who might have died in the same sickness in her Constituency because they could not afford to travel to UK to get a better treatment and her father did not built Hospital with 200 million he receives yearly as a Constituency Allowance for Constituency Project.

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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by LienwaltAbel(m): 2:47pm On Jul 07, 2022
descarado:

Remaining if he was financially induced which has to be proven.
The problem now is the guy is an established liar. How will they believe him again.
Read it was medical visa.
Evidence he gave consent and case is dismissed.
Guy miscalculated
The bolded are contradictory. If he gave his consent under financial induction, then how would the case get dismissed. Y'all are just looking at one small section of the picture instead of looking at the whole thing. The main case is based on two things:

1) exploitation: was the boy brought into the UK for the sake of organ donation without being told?

2) motivation behind organ donation: what was the motivation behind this organ donation? Is the boy in question Sonia's lover (impossible), a close relative (out of the question), or some stupid admirer who wants to give his kidney to her(probably)?

If they can jump these hoops, then they are free. However, believe me when I say that the second hook (and the first in a worst case scenario) will surely catch them.

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