OkCornel:
1. is Melchizedek the priest of the most high God forever?
2. Is Melchizedek an Israelite?

1. Nope
2. Nope

According to Jesus Christ, by the account of two or three witnesses shall truth be established. The analogy used by the writer of the letter to the believers of Hebrew descent is just that, an analogy and not meant to be taken literally, since many of the claims made in his analogy have no corroborations found anywhere else in scripture.

Kobojunkie:
1. Nope
2. Nope

According to Jesus Christ, by the account of two or three witnesses shall truth be established. The analogy used by the writer of the letter to the believers of Hebrew descent is just that, an analogy and not meant to be taken literally, since many of the claims made in his analogy have no corroborations found anywhere else in scripture.

Then the author of the book of Hebrews lied Melchizedek is a Priest of the most high God forever right?

Kobojunkie:
We have yet to discuss Revelations 5 in this entire discourse, so how could I have said what you claim?

Have you suddenly forgotten your response to my question on Revelation 5?

See the screenshot below.

OkCornel:
Then the author of the book of Hebrews lied Melchizedek is a Priest of the most high God forever right?

Is an analogy a lie?

This is why it is important to pay attention to what is in fact declared in other parts of scripture so one is not easily carried away by what is declared in the epistles for instance.

OkCornel:
Have you suddenly forgotten your response to my question on Revelation 5?

See the screenshot below.

Oh, I actually thought that was a repeat of Revelations 7 there when I responded. Well, I see that the answer I gave to you earlier does in fact fit. So, yeah!.

paxonel:
Queen Elizabeth ll just died less than an hour ago, may her soul rest in peace!
After that, life goes on forever, no end.
God's kingdom on this earth has no end.

Her death is the coming of Jesus to judge her.

scripture says it is appointed ones for men to die, after that the judgement

Full stop!

Read your bible and think,
Stop telling people lies

bro wht was the cause of her death and give me descriptions pls<full stop>
plus,it was written that God would judge the queen of the perhaps,west,east,north,south.u are precise<full stop>

AllenforGOD:
bro wht was the cause of her death and give me descriptions pls<full stop>

it doesn't matter how she died, death is inevitable, but eternal life after death is paramount.

1 Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

plus,it was written that God would judge the queen of the perhaps,west,east,north,south.u are precise<full stop>

what do you mean by Queen of the west, east, north and south and where was that written?

Kobojunkie:
Is an analogy a lie?

This is why it is important to pay attention to what is in fact declared in other parts of scripture so one is not easily carried away by what is declared in the epistles for instance.

Your question on analogy does not make sense.

Is like asking for the analogy of “Satan is the father of all liars”.

Now that being said;

Is Melchizedek the priest of the Most High God “FOREVER” as Hebrews 7 v 1-3 clearly states?

You’ve agreed Melchizedek is not an Israelite.

Kobojunkie:
Oh, I actually thought that was a repeat of Revelations 7 there when I responded. Well, I see that the answer I gave to you earlier does in fact fit. So, yeah!.

It does not fit.

Revelation 5 v 9-10 states everyone redeemed by the blood of the lamb would be priests.

Take a stand and be clear;

a) Are these people in Revelation 5 v 9-10 only Israelites?

b) Are all these people redeemed by the blood of the lamb going to be priests forever in God’s kingdom?

Revelation 5 v 9-10
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

OkCornel:


Is the footstool of God’s throne in Israel? Is this where this uncountable multitude no man can number will worship God from?

Isaiah 60 has no correlation with the uncountable multitude standing before God’s throne in heaven. Not on earth. They can only serve “day and night” in the temple after they are resurrected.

Jesus does not return in Revelation 7.

You people are mixing Judaism with Christianity..

That is the problem with both of you...

They are two separate religion.

There is no jesus in Judaism. ..

Please...

sonmvayina:


You people are mixing Judaism with Christianity..

That is the problem with both of you...

They are two separate religion.

There is no jesus in Judaism. ..

Please...

Sorry, God does not do religion. Religion is a man made construct.

What we are discussing here transcends religion

OkCornel:


Sorry, God does not do religion. Religion is a man made construct.

What we are discussing here transcends religion

Judaism reference only the creator of heaven and earth. And he is not a man or human being. Christianity on the other hand is about a man that was crucified....

Two different ideologies..

That is my point.

sonmvayina:


Judaism reference only the creator of heaven and earth. And he is not a man or human being. Christianity on the other hand is about a man that was crucified....

Two different ideologies..

That is my point.

Who said God the Father is Jesus Christ?

Did Jesus Christ say he is God the Father?

Can you show me where in the scriptures Jesus said so?

OkCornel:
1. Your question on analogy does not make sense.

2. Is like asking for the analogy of “Satan is the father of all liars”.Now that being said;
Is Melchizedek the priest of the Most High God “FOREVER” as Hebrews 7 v 1-3 clearly states?
You’ve agreed Melchizedek is not an Israelite.

1. It makes sense since the story presented by the writer of the letter to the Hebrews is an analogy used to explain to Israelites the place of Jesus Christ over them as Messiah.

The facts however speak for themselves. Melchizedek was not an Israelite, though he was a priest and a king in a land in Canaan called Salem. And so had no part or place in God's Covenant with Israel.

2. Satan as the father of all liars isn't really an analogy.

Kobojunkie:
1. It makes sense since the story presented by the writer of the letter to the Hebrews is an analogy used to explain to Jews the place of Jesus Christ over them as Messiah.

The facts are instead that Melchizedek was not an Israelite and so had no part of place in God's Covenant with Israel.

2. Satan as the father of all liars isn't really an analogy.

So you are telling us Melchizedek is not a priest of the most high God FOREVER, despite what is clearly written in Hebrews 7 v 1-3;

Hebrews 7 v 1-3;

1. This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,

2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.”

3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

Kobojunkie, who was Hebrews 7 v 3 referring to?

OkCornel:
It does not fit.
Revelation 5 v 9-10 states everyone redeemed by the blood of the lamb would be priests.
Take a stand and be clear;

b) Are all these people redeemed by the blood of the lamb going to be priests forever in God’s kingdom?

Revelation 5 v 9-10
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

b) For the umpteenth time, the promise that God made to the people of Israel is that He would make them to be a Kingdom and to be priests for God and that they would rule on the earth - Exodus 19 vs 1 - 6 & Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 & Psalm 2 vs 8 - 12.

In Isaiah 66, you learned that God would used saved People to bring brothers and sisters of Israelites from all tongues, tribes and nations back to Jerusalem where they will serve God and with them will be brought back the wealth of every other nation. And this will happen when Jerusalem is called the Holy city of God.

OkCornel:
So you are telling us Melchizedek is not a priest of the most high God FOREVER, despite what is clearly written in Hebrews 7 v 1-3;

Kobojunkie, who was Hebrews 7 v 3 referring to?

I already explained to you that the story told by the writer of the letter to the Hebrews has no place in this discussion whatsoever given that the account can not be corroborated and hence is best treated as the analogy it really is meant to be, and also for the fact that God's promise of Kingdom of priests was made specifically by God to those of Israel of which this character called Melchizedek was not.

Kobojunkie:
I already explained to you that the story told by the writer of the letter to the Hebrews has no place in this discussion whatsoever given that the account can not be corroborated and hence is best treated as the analogy it really is meant to be, and also for the fact that God's promise of Kingdom of priests was made specifically by God to those of Israel of which this character called Melchizedek was not.

Was Hebrews 7 v 3 referring to Melchizedek? Yes or No

OkCornel:
Was Hebrews 7 v 3 referring to Melchizedek? Yes or No

Again, it was an analogy and not a direct reference since the details mentioned in the letter to the Hebrews are not corroborated by records in Genesis 14.

Kobojunkie:
Again, it was an analogy and not a direct reference since the details mentioned in the letter to the Hebrews are not corroborated by records in Genesis 14.

Is Hebrews 7 v 3 referring to Melchizedek? Yes or No

OkCornel:


Is Hebrews 7 v 3 referring to Melchizedek? Yes or No

Nope

Kobojunkie:
Nope

Now everyone can see cognitive dissonance is the problem here.

Who was the author referring to in Hebrews 7 v 1-3? If according to you it’s not Melchizedek.

OkCornel:
Now everyone can see cognitive dissonance is the problem here.

Who was the author referring to in Hebrews 7 v 1-3? If according to you it’s not Melchizedek.

It seems you expect the answer that you want instead. I am afraid I am unable to give you that at all.

Again...

Kobojunkie:
I already explained to you that the story told by the writer of the letter to the Hebrews has no place in this discussion whatsoever given that the account can not be corroborated and hence is best treated as the analogy it really is meant to be, and also for the fact that God's promise of Kingdom of priests was made specifically by God to those of Israel of which this character called Melchizedek was not.

Kobojunkie:
It seems you expect the answer that you want instead. I am afraid I am unable to give you that at all.

Again...

Who was Hebrews 7 v 1-3 referring to? If according to you it was not Melchizedek.

OkCornel:
Who was Hebrews 7 v 1-3 referring to? If according to you it was not Melchizedek.

Again, the writer of the Hebrew write instead an analogy - not based on facts - in attempt to explain Jesus Christ's place as high priest over he and his Hebrew brethren this since the promise was made not to Abraham nor those before, but to the descendants of Jacob.

As I said before, this mention has nothing to do with the topic here at all in much the same way as a mention of the man Job would also not qualify in this here discussion regarding God's holy people mentioned in Revelations.

OkCornel:


Who said God the Father is Jesus Christ?

Did Jesus Christ say he is God the Father?

Can you show me where in the scriptures Jesus said so?

Jesus did not say so

Thanoa did not say so

Persus did not say so...


What is the connection ??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPKoahc_tI4



Why would any one even make fun of it like this?

sonmvayina:


Jesus did not say so

Thanoa did not say so

Persus did not say so...


What is the connection ??

Jesus did not say so, that’s all I wanted to confirm.

Anything else is gibberish.

sonmvayina:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPKoahc_tI4



Why would any one even make fun of it like this?

Family guy insults anything. Even Moses.

So your point exactly is what? We should believe family guy’s position on Moses too?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTRumqk7Xw0

Kobojunkie:
Again, the writer of the Hebrew write instead an analogy - not based on facts - in attempt to explain Jesus Christ's place as high priest over he and his Hebrew brethren this since the promise was made not to Abraham nor those before, but to the descendants of Jacob.

As I said before, this mention has nothing to do with the topic here at all in much the same way as a mention of the man Job would also not qualify in this here discussion regarding God's holy people mentioned in Revelations.

Who was Hebrews 7 v 1-3 referring to? If according to you it was not Melchizedek.

OkCornel:
Who was Hebrews 7 v 1-3 referring to? If according to you it was not Melchizedek.

I already more than explained myself in this.

I see you don't have anymore else to add to the original discussion then.

Kobojunkie:
I already more than explained myself in this.

I see you don't have anymore else to add to the original discussion then.

You know what comes next. That’s why you’re vehemently denying the obvious and concocting an analogy theory.

Melchizedek is not an Israelite, but he is the priest of the most high God forever according to Hebrews 7 v 1-3.

That already jeopardises your position that only Israelites can be priests in God’s kingdom.