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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by robobo: 8:58am On Mar 31, 2023
RabbiDoracle:
Bro, read the key audit matters. There you will see the level of impairment exposures flagged by auditors.

Zenith had it and compare the impairments of Zenith in the P/L accounts with what was stated in the key audit matters.

ETI had it and then you compare the impairments of ETI in the P/L accounts with what was stated in the key audit matters.

Now UBA has it. So compare the info on the key audit matters with what was stated in the P/L accounts. Marked difference!

These differences should be raised in these banks' conference calls.
Oga Oracle

i have checked the Key Audit matters and i cant deduce anything untowards or should be of concern in it. it only mentioned the total loan size of UBA and the impairment figure which is available in the AFS and also the fact that the auditors tested the models and parameters used to arrive at the impairment figure, which is normal for statutory audits. yes i understand your concern that UBA impairment is quite low compared to peers (Zenith / ETI) but the concern here is the exposure to Ghana sovereign bond and not credit in itself. So if UBA is not as exposed to GoG as its peers it is normal that it would also be less impacted by the haircut arising from GoG bonds. or what do you think? would appreciate your further discussion on the issue
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by BabsO2(m): 9:45am On Mar 31, 2023
robobo:
Oga Oracle

i have checked the Key Audit matters and i cant deduce anything untowards or should be of concern in it. it only mentioned the total loan size of UBA and the impairment figure which is available in the AFS and also the fact that the auditors tested the models and parameters used to arrive at the impairment figure, which is normal for statutory audits. yes i understand your concern that UBA impairment is quite low compared to peers (Zenith / ETI) but the concern here is the exposure to Ghana sovereign bond and not credit in itself. So if UBA is not as exposed to GoG as its peers it is normal that it would also be less impacted by the haircut arising from GoG bonds. or what do you think? would appreciate your further discussion on the issue
I was thinking perhaps UBA had less exposure to Ghana because, it maybe had more exposure to funding Transcorp and didn't have much to diversify into Ghana sovereign bonds as a result. NB: Just a thought, not based on any cross-checked information. But penciled down to find out more info wink
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by BabsO2(m): 9:54am On Mar 31, 2023
leparj:
Good one.
Diving in to get more UBA shares tomorrow.
Won't buy more than N8. sha.
If it rises tomorrow, will let it be and buy lower later.
You may be lucky to get some of the left over offers at N8 of yesterday if the sellers don't quickly cancel their sell offer. And if brokers don't quickly corner any left over for a quick buy and sell game. About 860,000 units closed on offer at N8 yesterday. grin

Looks like market never open.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Nobody: 10:08am On Mar 31, 2023
robobo:
Oga Oracle

i have checked the Key Audit matters and i cant deduce anything untowards or should be of concern in it. it only mentioned the total loan size of UBA and the impairment figure which is available in the AFS and also the fact that the auditors tested the models and parameters used to arrive at the impairment figure, which is normal for statutory audits. yes i understand your concern that UBA impairment is quite low compared to peers (Zenith / ETI) but the concern here is the exposure to Ghana sovereign bond and not credit in itself. So if UBA is not as exposed to GoG as its peers it is normal that it would also be less impacted by the haircut arising from GoG bonds. or what do you think? would appreciate your further discussion on the issue
You have to read these key audit matters well and the attached notes in the P/L accounts (notes 12a, 12b, 26a, 27b)

Zenith had loss exposure of N58.6B to GoG debt and N103B credit loss to loans to customer in the group but on the P/L account, they deducted impairments of N123B. This shows that they added other credit losses probably from these loans and took a heft impairment on their P/L. So you can see that Zenith almost took all losses and accounted for it in their report.

However UBA had N82.8B loss from loans to customers plus N17.9B loss exposure to the GoG debt, but they only showed 19B as impairments on credit loss due to loans (see note 12a). I believe note 12a captures part of the credit loss for loans to customers. And there is note 12b which captures that impairments on financial assets in which the loss on GoG debt was included.

What happens to the difference between N82.8B credit loss to customer loans as raised by the auditors and the reported N19B?

Why don't they just provide for all loan losses or provide for majority of the loan losses the way Zenith bank did? If that is taken into account, the PAT will drop more than reported.

I believe these issues will be raised during the conference calls.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by BabsO2(m): 10:08am On Mar 31, 2023
BabsO2:
You may be lucky to get some of the left over offers at N8 of yesterday if the sellers don't quickly cancel their sell offer. And if brokers don't quickly corner any left over for a quick buy and sell game. About 860,000 units closed on offer at N8 yesterday. grin

Looks like market never open.
Market has opened with nothing sold at N8. Lowest price traded on opening was N8.3 with current price at N8.6 A wind of bids has come, currently doubling offers.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Nobody: 10:16am On Mar 31, 2023
BabsO2:
I was thinking perhaps UBA had less exposure to Ghana because, it maybe had more exposure to funding Transcorp and didn't have much to diversify into Ghana sovereign bonds as a result. NB: Just a thought, not based on any cross-checked information. But penciled down to find out more info wink
Yes, UBA had lower debt loss than Zenith on GoG debt. 17.9B vs 58.6B. But Zenith bank took 123B impairments as seen in their report because that impairments contain loan losses to customers.

However UBA only took a total impairments of N41B (notes 12a and 12b) compared to gross loan loss of 82.8B (key audit matters) and GoG debt of N17.9B [these losses are N100B in total] . What happens to the remainder in the loan loss to customers?

Will UBA stagger these in the quarterly reports in 2023 financial year?
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Mfunkynation(m): 10:16am On Mar 31, 2023
is Morgan capital working? mine is not opening
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by ucheson2(m): 10:19am On Mar 31, 2023
What is the matter with ngx today?

Even Morgan and Meristem websites are not responding.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by seyisanya(m): 10:25am On Mar 31, 2023
ucheson2:
What is the matter with ngx today?

Even Morgan and Meristem websites are not responding.
The UBA rush! grin
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by jp130(m):
Oga, share ur ucap n uba loot with me o o o.
Congratulations broda

Mfunkynation:
Transcorp,
Ucap, MTN, Custodian, Afriprud, Lasaco, NB, Uba, Zenith, Wapco.
#DividendsHunting
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by YoungBuffet: 10:34am On Mar 31, 2023
seyisanya:
The UBA rush! grin
uba

8.60
+0.60
(+7.50%)
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by ucheson2(m): 10:41am On Mar 31, 2023
seyisanya:
The UBA rush! grin
Exactly
In fact that is the problem I have with Morgan and Meristem, whenever people need to rush in or out of the market that is when they will deliberately pause their websites. Later now they will come up with their usual maintenance excuse.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by YoungBuffet: 10:45am On Mar 31, 2023
ucheson2:
Exactly
In fact that is the problem I have with Morgan and Meristem, whenever people need to rush in or out of the market that is when they will deliberately pause their websites. Later now they will come up with their usual maintenance excuse.
dont always chase price, if u had bought yesterday would have been fine. Bank once an ok wit q1 to q3 i will dive in at any lower price, u will be buying higher now
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by robobo: 10:47am On Mar 31, 2023
RabbiDoracle:
Yes, UBA had lower debt loss than Zenith on GoG debt. 17.9B vs 58.6B. But Zenith bank took 123B impairments as seen in their report because that impairments contain loan losses to customers.

However UBA only took a total impairments of N41B (notes 12a and 12b) compared to gross loan loss of 82.8B (key audit matters) and GoG debt of N17.9B [these losses are N100B in total] . What happens to the remainder in the loan loss to customers?

Will UBA stagger these in the quarterly reports in 2023 financial year?
Ok boss i get your point now and your concerns are clearer, i would take a look and get back if need be.

Appreciate
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Zagee: 10:50am On Mar 31, 2023
We will have to go to court for Morgan Capital angry
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by yMcy56: 11:06am On Mar 31, 2023
LASACO......full bid @1.10...... cool
IKEJA HOTELS......full bid @1.22...... smiley

LASACO tried.
Could remember we discussed on LASACO in some occasions here.
Locodemy must have Japa from the stock since..... grin
Over 32M+ full bid....
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by yMcy56: 11:25am On Mar 31, 2023
Zagee:
We will have to go to court for Morgan Capital angry
Morgan is working on it.
They said it will be up as soon as possible.
#Elofokanbale# wink
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by lancee(m): 11:29am On Mar 31, 2023
yMcy56:
Morgan is working on it.
They said it will be up as soon as possible.
#Elofokanbale# wink
grin
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by yMcy56: 11:36am On Mar 31, 2023
lancee:
grin
Oga Lancee E Ku UBA. smiley

Even Mr. Market knows Morgan customers are not in market yet.... grin
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by jideflash(m): 11:55am On Mar 31, 2023
just too bad

ucheson2:
Exactly
In fact that is the problem I have with Morgan and Meristem, whenever people need to rush in or out of the market that is when they will deliberately pause their websites. Later now they will come up with their usual maintenance excuse.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by lancee(m): 12:05pm On Mar 31, 2023
[quote author=yMcy56 post=122193459]Oga Lancee E Ku UBA. smiley

Even Mr. Market knows Morgan customers are not in market yet.... grin

We dey wait o .. I could rem one or two events like this with morgan ..system down on good news [rushing in ]and one bad result that one na dumping grin

Is the portal sensitive grin..
Dem Days of calling your broker to buy or sell after few days he or she go now buy higher price or sell cheap for you ..chaiiii grin
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by machine606: 12:13pm On Mar 31, 2023
onegentleguy:
Final Dividends Distribution Paid/Payable So Far in 2023

CBP ✔️(Paid)
Prop Div...5k
PD....Jan 27
QD...Jan 18
Paymaster; Light House

AFRILAND PROPERTIES
Prop Div....10k
PD....Apr 18
Paymaster; African Prudential

IKEJA HOTELS
Prop Div....7.5k
PD....N/A
QD....N/A
Paymaster; GTL

SAHCO
Prop Div....16.5k
PD....N/A
QD....N/A
Paymaster; First

#copied
Those stocks above are they on NGX or NASDD, Baceause I haven't come across any yet except for Ikeja Hotel. Speaking of Ikeja Hotel, I thought it's 0.075k rather than #7.5k as written. It's seems there some stocks on NGX that's are hardly known but active. Once in a while they pulled up surprises, Eg Stanbic IBTC ETF.

As for lasco, they tried small after missing last year Dividend declaration.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by ucheson2(m): 12:14pm On Mar 31, 2023
yMcy56:
Morgan is working on it.
They said it will be up as soon as possible.
#Elofokanbale# wink
madam I am beginning to suspect that you are a staff of Morgancapital
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Ojoboak(m): 12:17pm On Mar 31, 2023
Mfunkynation:
is Morgan capital working?
mine is not opening
Time for the annual ritual of outage due to one thing one thing.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Mfunkynation(m): 12:25pm On Mar 31, 2023
yMcy56:
LASACO......full bid @1.10...... cool IKEJA HOTELS......full bid @1.22...... smiley
LASACO tried. Could remember we discussed on LASACO in some occasions here. Locodemy must have Japa from the stock since..... grin Over 32M+ full bid....
Am still with it.... I almost sold it this week oooo. Thanks for the details information
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by rebekah2011(m): 12:29pm On Mar 31, 2023
Sir, Note 26(a) is where you will find the impairment referenced on the key audit matters, it is the total impairment on the gross loan. It is inclusive of what has been further provided in the year 2022 minus those written off. Note 49 detail the Ghana bond exchange programme.
RabbiDoracle:
Yes, UBA had lower debt loss than Zenith on GoG debt. 17.9B vs 58.6B. But Zenith bank took 123B impairments as seen in their report because that impairments contain loan losses to customers.

However UBA only took a total impairments of N41B (notes 12a and 12b) compared to gross loan loss of 82.8B (key audit matters) and GoG debt of N17.9B [these losses are N100B in total] . What happens to the remainder in the loan loss to customers?

Will UBA stagger these in the quarterly reports in 2023 financial year?
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by onegentleguy:
RabbiDoracle:
Yes, UBA had lower debt loss than Zenith on GoG debt. 17.9B vs 58.6B. But Zenith bank took 123B impairments as seen in their report because that impairments contain loan losses to customers.

However UBA only took a total impairments of N41B (notes 12a and 12b) compared to gross loan loss of 82.8B (key audit matters) and GoG debt of N17.9B [these losses are N100B in total] . What happens to the remainder in the loan loss to customers?

Will UBA stagger these in the quarterly reports in 2023 financial year?
Well done bro!
Just took another look at UBA's YE 2022 financial print, and I have to admit that your concerns are very much valid.
But you still need to check the figures again, as I suspect you may have overestimated a few lines.

However, it's also possible that the answer you seek might lie in the part in italics, but that's just one side to it.
Note that DBMs tend to book/factor in impairment charge or loss in line with certain key factors that shape their operations.

A lot will often depend on;
1) What sectors of the economy (local & intl) had these funds.
2) The level of growth/progression or regression in the said sectors within a specified timeframe.
3) The mechanism behind the allocation of funds to those sectors.
4) The level of exposure (funding) to those sectors and...
5) The performance/health of their investment and/or loan book accross those sectors.

These 5 factors are key in determining what level of impairment charge or loss a bank/financial institution could decide to take at any given time.
Putting them under scrutiny, UBA currently fair a bit better ahead of ZENITH in view of how their performance level compares to the total weight of funds/asset allocation accross different sectors. (CoF/CoR vs impact on AsY/AsQ)... hence the need to book less loss on impairment than did ZENITH.

Apparently, management believes that its investment/loan book is structured well enough to recover a huge part of the difference btw what was recognized as impairment and what can possibly be taken as a loss. (eligible vs ineligible impairment)
...and on this, I agree with them. (had to extrapolate with some figures)
Management may have also decided to stagger it because of the high probability of recovery/write back (in part) in view of the nature and structure of the loans & investment.

Recall that when I chose to align with ACCESS ahead of UBA, I mentioned a few of these things as part of my worry with the latter... and expectedly, ACCESS did better at delivering higher return.
It might well be UBA's turn to do so. wink cheesy cool
Honestly, I think a lot has now changed since then.
The bank appears to have done certain things right, which was why I have in recent time reversed my initial stance on it.
Unlike then, i'll attach a higher portfolio weighting on UBA ahead of ACCESS.

As I highlighted in times past; DBMs with a healthy/balanced-- favourably sector assigned loan book but also an investment driven portfolio, will likely do well going into 2023.
UBA is definitely one of them. ...well for now.

I still see VALUE in the stock... but that's just me.

Regards
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by yMcy56: 1:02pm On Mar 31, 2023
Morgan is back!
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Zagee: 1:04pm On Mar 31, 2023
yMcy56:
Morgan is back!
Can only stare at the trades. Nothing else undecided

Modified: up now
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by yMcy56: 1:11pm On Mar 31, 2023
ucheson2:
madam I am beginning to suspect that you are a staff of Morgancapital
You get some biz for me? Lol. grin
I'm not a staff there o.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by OBAGADAFFI: 1:21pm On Mar 31, 2023
Total doing well grin grin grin grin

Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Streetinvestor2: 1:26pm On Mar 31, 2023
Pls was dangota cement marked down today
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