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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by americanigga(m): 1:04am On Apr 20, 2023
Ken4Christ:


The devil is presently operating with the authority he got from Adam to rule the earth. [/b]This is why the Bible calls him the god of this world.

But when his time is up, he will be confined in the Lake of Fire and will be tormented day and night.

But he wants people like you to join him. He does not want to suffer alone. [b]Yes, he won on the aspect of having the majority on his side.


For every one person who makes heaven, about ten thousands go to hell.

This is why Jesus said, many are called but few are chosen.

He also said that the road that leads to destruction is wide and many will follow that road. And you have chosen that way also. But any day you are ready to repent, the Lord will save you. The choice is yours.

This religion thing is really funny.

Satan has a mission to win souls he did not creat from a mighty God and you just confirmed that he will defeat the Almighty God. God cannot stop him. God, his Holly spirit and his Son Jesus cannot stop their subject they created with their own hand from taking majority of their children to the lake of fire. This is ridiculous

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by americanigga(m): 1:29am On Apr 20, 2023
Maynman:


Yahweh told him to have dominion over work of HIS hand, whose work, is it adam or yahweh work?
If it is adam, what is adam work? Did he create the world?
If it is yahweh work, is devil not part of it, why didn’t adam have dominion over satan? Also yahweh created heaven and earth(i wonder who created other planets, ancient writers didn’t know that earth is very tiny lol), using your logic that means devil is the god of heaven and earth.

And if adam is the god of the word how was devil able to deceive him? Is devil not of this world? Was the devil a subject to adam?

When satan wanted to deal with job why did he ask for permission from yahweh since he is the god of the world?
Maybe it was yahweh that gave satan permission of this world.

What’s the essence of defeating satan without dethroning him? What’s the aim? Are you sure he defeated anything, cause This makes zero sense.
It seems jesus and yahweh have a soft place for satan.
How will this present system pass when devil is the god of this world? And has dominion of this world, Who will make it pass?
You’re just contradicting yourself.

Why can’t your god confined the devil now, like you said he is looking for people to join him, is it not common sense to confined him now, or yahweh doesn’t have the power to?
It seems yahweh wants people to go to hell by not confining devil since all these centuries.
If a criminal is killing people you arrest him immediately, what are you waiting for?


Your jesus is dead according to your own bible, the Revelation you are basing your life on is talking about king nero and the number is 616.

Also how come your god is so messy, omniscience god didn’t see any of these coming? Or does the the devil have power to blind yahweh not to see his plans?
It seems Devil and yahweh are into this charade together.
This is common sense na.

You are really intelligent. You completely annihilate him. I was figuring out how to respond to him when I read your response, You went far beyond my imagination.

You should write a book

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by americanigga(m): 1:43am On Apr 20, 2023
Ken4Christ:


The people feeding you with lies will not go unpunished.

Embrace the truth that is in Christ alone and be free.

How can he embrace what he does not believe or understand. How will he be able to defend it on the "last day"

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by americanigga(m): 2:06am On Apr 20, 2023
Ken4Christ:


Your third question is like asking why a teacher would set a question when he knows that some students will fail the exam.

Every human is a student before God and we must be tested to prove our loyalty to God.

And the result of the test could go either way. If Adam had not eaten of the forbidden tree, we will not be asking this question.

Jesus who came as the last Adam was also tested. But he passed the test. What if Jesus had failed the test? We all would have been doomed. So, God did not exempt Jesus from the test as the test is a basic requirement to know our loyalty to him.

God expected Adam to pass the test. But Adam failed. And he knew what he would do if he failed.

Creating the world without that tree is like establishing an institution without examination. So, it's God's established principle and ways of testing our loyalty.

People who fail exams set by teachers are not burnt in fire like your God does. They are allowed to repeat the class, learn handwork etc

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by americanigga(m): 2:12am On Apr 20, 2023
Ken4Christ:


Someone has to die to redeem mankind because it's the blood that makes atonement for sins.

There is no short cut.

This is why the blood of animals were used for atonement before Jesus came. But the blood of animals could not take away the sins of mankind because it's not the same value as the man that nerds redemption. It only covered their sins for a one year period. And the sacrifice had to be repeated yearly.

But the blood of Jesus washed away our sins for eternity. He met the demand of justice.

If I am owing you a certain amount of money, it's either I pay you that money or it's equivalent. You won't accept anything less.

The life of the flesh is in the blood. And the penalty for sin is dead. So for the guilty to go free, someone has to die in his place. And this is what Jesus did for us. He died in our place. In the mind of divine justice, we are all legally free. But you will only enjoy that freedom if you believe and accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

If you reject Jesus, you have only agree to pay it yourself and that will automatically end you in the pit of hell. I don't think you will want to go to hell. The punishment there is unbearable.

Why not give your life to Christ and deliver your soul from that horrible place.

Can you name 5 tangible things people who believe in Jesus benefit on Earth that none believers don't benefit, so we can easily distinguish believers from none believers

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by americanigga(m): 2:35am On Apr 20, 2023
Ken4Christ:


I will use an example of how God deals with us to answer your first question.

Right now, I am saved but if I later backslide, I will go to hell.

What took me to hell? My decision did and not God.

Did God know I was going to hell?

Yes but with a clause. He knows I will go to hell if I reject Christ and he knows I will make heaven if I accept Christ and remain faithful.

So, our destiny is dependent more on our decisions than God's foreknowledge.

So, what God does is that he gives each of us an opportunity to be saved. If you accept it, you will be saved, if you reject it, you will be damned.

In the same sense, when he created Lucifer, he knew Lucifer will continue to enjoy his good status and glory if he remains faithful and he also knew he will be judged if he disobeyed.

So, Lucifer was given the opportunity to choose his own destiny. It will be wrong for God to say I won't create Lucifer because I know he will rebel. He gives everyone an opportunity to choose his destiny.

It's just like saying that I will not send my child to school because I know he will fail. You have to give your child a benefit of doubt that he will pass.


What you are saying is like a mother that has a 5 year-old child that she loves and a big dog. She knows (not think) that if she leaves the child and her big dog at home, the dog will eat the child. So she will now leave the dog and the child at home for both of them to fulfil their destiny. And she would still claim she loved the child after the dog ate the child.

In an attempt to exonerate your God, you ended indicting him.

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by orisa37: 4:45am On Apr 20, 2023
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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Maynman: 6:28am On Apr 20, 2023
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Yahweh could not sin, because he could not be disobedient to himself. But since sin is impossible for him, it is no more a mark of achievement for him to be free of sin than it is a mark of achievement for a rock to be unable to move, Both lack the Ability. It's merely a matter of definition.
Just because a rock doesn’t have the ability to move don’t mean he is above moving.
Just because yahweh doesn’t have the ability to sin don’t mean he is above sinning.

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Maynman: 6:29am On Apr 20, 2023
americanigga:


You are really intelligent. You completely annihilate him. I was figuring out how to respond to him when I read your response, You went far beyond my imagination.

You should write a book

Thank you.
Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by sonmvayina(m): 7:02am On Apr 20, 2023
Ken4Christ:


Only a human blood can meet the demand of justice. The value of the blood of animals is not the same as that of human.

You can't borrow a gold watch to a friend and he returns a silver plated watch. They are not the same value.

Man sinned. Another man has to atone for his sin. And that man has to be sinless.

Jesus is the only one qualified to die for mankind. Thank God he did. And he also rose from the dead. So, it wasn't a bad deal.

You rescued others by risking your life and you still made it. It's a win-win situation.

And it's worthy of celebration.


Are you trying to advice God?

When did God ask for it?
Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Ken4Christ: 8:10am On Apr 20, 2023
sonmvayina:



Are you trying to advice God?

When did God ask for it?

It's a spiritual principle that cannot be broken.

Redemption must be by blood.
Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Maynman: 8:14am On Apr 20, 2023
Ken4Christ:


It's a spiritual principle that cannot be broken.

Redemption must be by blood.

Who created blood?
Why then does a creator need one of his inventions, what’s it going to use it for?

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Ken4Christ: 8:15am On Apr 20, 2023
americanigga:


What you are saying is like a mother that has a 5 year-old child that she loves and a big dog. She knows (not think) that if she leaves the child and her big dog at home, the dog will eat the child. So she will now leave the dog and the child at home for both of them to fulfil their destiny. And she would still claim she loved the child after the dog ate the child.

In an attempt to exonerate your God, you ended indicting him.

Your example does not hold water.

The last Adam, Jesus was subjected to the same temptation the first Adam failed.

That the first Adam failed didn't make God change his principle.

Everyone must be subjected to test.
Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Maynman: 8:17am On Apr 20, 2023
Ken4Christ:


Your example does not hold water.

The last Adam, Jesus was subjected to the same temptation the first Adam failed.

That the first Adam failed didn't make God change his principle.

Everyone must be subjected to test.

Does the first adam know what good and evil is before been tempted?
Does the last adam know what good and evil is before been tempted?
How are they then subjected to the same temptation?

Like you said earlier, first adam didn’t know who devil was, did jesus also not know who devil was?

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Ken4Christ: 8:22am On Apr 20, 2023
americanigga:


Can you name 5 tangible things people who believe in Jesus benefit on Earth that none believers don't benefit, so we can easily distinguish believers from none believers

1. True believers are free from the guilt of sin and condemnation. Every other person still see themselves as sinners. But we don't. We are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.

2. The believer has authority to cast out demons. The unbeliever does not. The seven sons of Sceva in the book of Acts tried to cast out demons in the name of Jesus and they were mercilessly beaten.

3. The believer will drink deadly poison and survive it but it will kill the unbeliever.

4. We have peace of mind that money can't buy. The unbeliever does not.

5. We have the capacity to receive the Holy Spirit and speak in other tongues but the unbeliever does not.
Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Ken4Christ: 8:23am On Apr 20, 2023
americanigga:


People who fail exams set by teachers are not burnt in fire like your God does. They are allowed to repeat the class, learn handwork etc

God gives us many opportunities to repent. Those who go to hell are the ones who rejected them.
Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Maynman: 8:24am On Apr 20, 2023
Ken4Christ:


God gives us many opportunities to repent. Those who go to hell are the ones who rejected them.

Why then did jesus die?
If man still has to repent as a sinner before they can be saved, what’s the essence of jesus death?
Before jesus death, how were sinners saved?
After jesus death, how were sinners saved?

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Ken4Christ: 8:25am On Apr 20, 2023
americanigga:


This religion thing is really funny.

Satan has a mission to win souls he did not creat from a mighty God and you just confirmed that he will defeat the Almighty God. God cannot stop him. God, his Holly spirit and his Son Jesus cannot stop their subject they created with their own hand from taking majority of their children to the lake of fire. This is ridiculous

God is a just God. It's not his duty to stop Satan. It's our duty to stop him by taking the right decision.
Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Ken4Christ: 8:27am On Apr 20, 2023
Maynman:


Why then did jesus die?
If man still has to repent as a sinner before they can be saved, what’s the essence of jesus death?
Before jesus death, how were sinners saved?
After jesus death, how were sinners saved?

His death provides the legal ground for your salvation. But your choice determines if you eventually get saved. You either repent and accept the free gift of salvation or perish.
Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Maynman: 8:28am On Apr 20, 2023
Ken4Christ:


God is a just God. It's not his duty to stop Satan. It's our duty to stop him by taking the right decision.

If God is just or merciful, Why did God not simply pardon Satan after defeat as men often do to a captured nation after they defeat it? Mankind would seem in victory to be more merciful than God; for they do not treat the vanquished to such terrible torments for even a lifetime, let alone for all eternity. Why did God not show the qualities that you described as his justice, mercy, compassion, and forgiveness to Satan?

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Maynman: 8:29am On Apr 20, 2023
Ken4Christ:


His death provides the legal ground for your salvation. But your choice determines if you eventually get saved. You either repent and accept the free gift of salvation or perish.

What’s the legal ground of salvation? What’s the impact?
Before jesus death, how were sinners saved?
After jesus death, how were sinners saved?

Why did jesus die?
If man still has to repent as a sinner before they can be saved, what’s the essence of jesus death?

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Ken4Christ: 8:31am On Apr 20, 2023
Maynman:


Does the first adam know what good and evil is before been tempted?
Does the last adam know what good and evil is before been tempted?
How are they then subjected to the same temptation?

Like you said earlier, first adam didn’t know who devil was, did jesus also not know who devil was?

The first Adam knew the instruction God gave him but he chose to disobey God. So, his ignorance of the knowledge of good God and evil does not count.

He was given a clear instruction and he ignored it.
Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Maynman: 8:31am On Apr 20, 2023
Ken4Christ:


The first Adam knew the instruction God gave him but he chose to disobey God. So, his ignorance of the knowledge of good God and evil does not count.

He was given a clear instruction and he ignored it.

So he knew that disobedience is evil and obedience is good, yet at the same time ignorant of what good and evil means?

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by sonmvayina(m): 8:31am On Apr 20, 2023
Ken4Christ:


It's a spiritual principle that cannot be broken.

Redemption must be by blood.

When did God ask for it..

Are you now Gods adviser....?

Because what God asked for is right here 2nd chronicles 7:14.


And did God ever asked you to worship the sacrifice?

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by LottiOk: 12:09pm On Apr 20, 2023
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Ken4Christ:


1. True believers are free from the guilt of sin and condemnation. Every other person still see themselves as sinners. But we don't. We are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.

2. The believer has authority to cast out demons. The unbeliever does not. The seven sons of Sceva in the book of Acts tried to cast out demons in the name of Jesus and they were mercilessly beaten.

3. The believer will drink deadly poison and survive it but it will kill the unbeliever.

4. We have peace of mind that money can't buy. The unbeliever does not.

5. We have the capacity to receive the Holy Spirit and speak in other tongues but the unbeliever does not.

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Ken4Christ: 12:12pm On Apr 20, 2023
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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Janosky: 5:10pm On Apr 20, 2023
jaephoenix:

Lol. This dumbfvck again.
If you are following the thread and also have good comprehension skills, you'll know Maynmann and I are taking the mickey outta yahweh.

I hope you know what taking the mickey Means?

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How were you able to "take a Mickey outta " a spirit being you claimed does not exist?


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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by americanigga(m): 6:12pm On Apr 20, 2023
Ken4Christ:


1. True believers are free from the guilt of sin and condemnation. Every other person still see themselves as sinners. But we don't. We are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.

2. The believer has authority to cast out demons. The unbeliever does not. The seven sons of Sceva in the book of Acts tried to cast out demons in the name of Jesus and they were mercilessly beaten.

3. The believer will drink deadly poison and survive it but it will kill the unbeliever.

4. We have peace of mind that money can't buy. The unbeliever does not.

5. We have the capacity to receive the Holy Spirit and speak in other tongues but the unbeliever does not.

Most of the things you said are not tangible. You can't really prove them. For example I put it to you that:

1) True Muslims and worshippers of other Gods are free from the guilt of sin and condemnation. Every other person still see themselves as sinners. But Muslims and worshippers of other Gods dont. They are the righteousness of their God

2. Unbelievers and worshippers of other Gods will drink deadly poison and survive it but it will kill the Christians.

As you can see, you cannot disprove the examples I gave above. The five examples you gave are audio examples just like my own.

The problem with religion is that they say things without being able to prove or explain it . When you ask them question, they will tell you, you will go to hell for asking question.

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by jaephoenix(m): 7:57pm On Apr 20, 2023
teebagy:
Not from himself but from sin.
When sin, who do you (purportedly) offend? Satan or Yahweh?

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by Maynman: 8:00pm On Apr 20, 2023
teebagy:
Not from himself but from sin.

And sin means disobedience to yahweh?

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Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by jaephoenix(m): 12:08am On Apr 21, 2023
teebagy:
God is a pure spirit who cannot been seen with d phyiscal eye. Just d way organisms canot b seen without microscope. Only ur spirit can c GOD
You don't get my point. I mean, why is Yahweh suddenly shy since the bible days? He aint sending lightnings, manna, hailstorms etc
Re: What Is The Best Argument For The Existence Of God? by jaephoenix(m): 12:09am On Apr 21, 2023
Ken4Christ:


Jesus willingly offered himself as a sacrificial lamb to save the world. You should be glad about that.

If you borrow money from a bank, you can't pay back with banana.

Only blood makes atonement for sin.
What or who is he exactly saving the world from?

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