Workch:
Using scientific methods.
We can test if Noah's flood really happened, we have done it and it never did.
We can test Virgin unfertilized conception mammals, all evidence suggests that Mary's vrigin birth is most likely a lie.

have you ever seen a sick man healed miraculously before?

paxonel:
have you ever seen a sick man healed miraculously before?

No I haven't, but I have seen people make numerous claims of it.
If I see a pastor heal an HIV patient that I tested by myself, I will believe in miralces, if not I will be a fool to believe it because I saw it on TV

Workch:
No I haven't, but I have seen people make numerous claims of it.
If I see a pastor heal an HIV patient that I tested by myself, I will believe in miralces, if not I will be a fool to believe it because I saw it on TV

How will the pastor heal the HIV patients? By prayers or what exactly?
And which method will you use to test that it was that healing they did the “miracle”?

Workch, how do you think thunder works? Would you say that thunder was created?

Workch:
Using scientific methods.
We can test if Noah's flood really happened, we have done it and it never did.
We can test Virgin unfertilized conception mammals, all evidence suggests that Mary's vrigin birth is most likely a lie.

Well you can't test Theists claim using scientific methods.

Theists claims are based on MIRACLES which means beyond natural processes and anything that beyond natural processes is beyond human comprehension.

If there should be a Creator called God then He should be the one who will tell us how to find Him and not us suggesting a way to discover Him.

Emusan:


Well you can't test Theists claim using scientific methods.

Theists claims are based on MIRACLES which means beyond natural processes and anything that beyond natural processes is beyond human comprehension.

If there should be a Creator called God then He should be the one who will tell us how to find Him and not us suggesting a way to discover Him.

anything that can't be tested should be trusted. It's prone to bais, fraud and manipulation.

I can test miracles, if you claim you can perform miralces, we can test it

elated177:
Workch, how do you think thunder works? Would you say that thunder was created?

Did you skip basic class in physics? It was thought in ss1, go bck to secondary physics textbook

Workch:
anything that can't be tested should be trusted. It's prone to bais, fraud and manipulation.

I don't get your point here!

I can test miracles, if you claim you can perform miralces, we can test it

Well, you can't test miracles from God because it's never from Man.

Though many Theists as regards traditional religions claimed theirs can be tested.

Emusan:


I don't get your point here!



Well, you can't test miracles from God because it's never from Man.

Though many Theists as regards traditional religions claimed theirs can be tested.

anything that cant be tested should not be trusted.

I can test it, show me any miracle claim, if we investigate it, we will ee if it's true or not. It's testable

Workch:
anything that cant be tested should not be trusted.

That's human philosophy which isn't entirely correct!

Spirituality can't be tested because it's beyond the material world yet many trust it.

I can test it, show me any miracle claim, if we investigate it, we will ee if it's true or not. It's testable

You can't test miracles from God.

I believe you have heard many of such miracles, just search for one and test it.

Emusan:


That's human philosophy which isn't entirely correct!

Spirituality can't be tested because it's beyond the material world yet many trust it.



You can't test miracles from God.

I believe you have heard many of such miracles, just search for one and test it.

you an test miracles, we have tested miracles and almost of them are negative. It's why we don't bother testing them again.

Miralce are always lies when they are subjected to scientific scrutiny.

No, workch, I didn't skip physics classes. I am a physicist.

Are you are afraid of this line of discourse?

Just answer my questions.

elated177:
No, workch, I didn't skip physics classes. I am a physicist.

Are you are afraid of this line of discourse?

Just answer my questions.

don't ask me silly questions. If you studied physics then why are you asking me how thunder works

28-07-2023 @7:40pm

Emusan:

Well you can't test Theists claim using scientific methods.
Theists claims are based on MIRACLES which means beyond natural processes and anything that beyond natural processes is beyond human comprehension.
If there should be a Creator called God then He should be the one who will tell us how to find Him and not us suggesting a way to discover Him.

28-07-2023 @9:28pm

Emusan:

That's human philosophy which isn't entirely correct! Spirituality can't be tested because it's beyond the material world yet many trust it.
You can't test miracles from God.
I believe you have heard many of such miracles, just search for one and test it.

This shows you're working towards proving you have something tangible to call "FAITH" this came after this post:

28-07-2023 @3:15pm

MaxInDHouse:

By now you should know Emusan is not stable in anything he says all he wants is arguing with JWs. He has agreed that Jesus revealing himself is not about seeing Jesus literally but he just want to continue arguing it's like he derives pleasure exchanging words with JWs that's why i ignore him. If he's truly a believer let him go and defend his faith before atheists and agnostics!

Make sure you defend your faith with reasonableness not always looking for JWs to exchange words thoughtlessly and aimlessly!

Workch, I can see you are infuriated. I didn't ask any silly question. What are you afraid of? Thought you were looking for evidence and such?

Workch:
you an test miracles, we have tested miracles and almost of them are negative. It's why we don't bother testing them again.

Miralce are always lies when they are subjected to scientific scrutiny.

Do you even understand what is called Miracles?

I guess you don't!

Workch:


Thomas H. Huxley, who coined the term agnostic, was a scientist. He found it puzzling that many people spoke with certainty about things which could not be verified by any known methodology (this is what atheists and theists do) ...

It is already scientifically and methodolically verified that no thing in this worlld can create itself from none existence into existence.

It is scentifically and naturally verified it is impossible for non existent thing to bring itself into existence.

Thus, it is scientifically and methodologically proven that God,The Creator of our world, is the only Truth. All others are propositions of evils who of course are enemies of God.

MaxInDHouse:
28-07-2023 @7:40pm


28-07-2023 @9:28pm


This shows you're working towards proving you have something tangible to call "FAITH" this came after this post:

What is unstable in my posts you referenced?

If not because you're behaving like kid, I've been on this forum for more than 10 years and I can remember that I once told you that my first discussion on religion section was with Atheists.

So cut the crab and face front.

28-07-2023 @3:15pm
Make sure you defend your faith with reasonableness not always looking for JWs to exchange words thoughtlessly and aimlessly!

You don't have to tell me or are you the one who invited me to this thread?

If my posts are thoughtless and aimless then you won't find me important on this thread to single out.

I know you always learn from me.

Workch:
Using scientific methods.
We can test if Noah's flood really happened, we have done it and it never did.
We can test Virgin unfertilized conception mammals, all evidence suggests that Mary's vrigin birth is most likely a lie.

See another lie from devil scientist because he knows most nigerians church folk do not like sciences and are easily distracted by the toys and stupid boastings they make.

It is impossible to test the past. Tests can only be carried out on things found or things fabricated.

It is impossible to test the past

Emusan:

Well, you can't test miracles from God because it's never from Man...

The test of a miracle is in itself in that it is beyond the natural course and flow we know.

Workch:
I don't even respond to him 😂

It is scientifically proven that you stop responding to people who you are not able to beat by reason and logic .

It is scientifically noticed that you are looking for people who are ignorant to sell your lies to.

Emusan:


Do you even understand what is called Miracles?

I guess you don't!

yes I do, a claim by mostly Christian that their god did something supernaturally. Miracle is a claim that can be tested

Workch:
yes I do, a claim by mostly Christian that their god did something supernaturally. Miracle is a claim that can be tested

Every reasonable person understands that the test of a miracle is its supernaturalness on top the miraculee.

Workch:
Science involves disciplines that use the scientific method to determine the most probable explanation for what we observe in the physical universe, and this method involves observation of the available evidence, experimentation, presenting results, peer review, further observation and experimentation, etc. Scientists examine the evidence before arriving at a conclusion. If new evidence is presented, scientists consider it and revise their views if warranted.

Thomas H. Huxley, who coined the term agnostic, was a scientist. He found it puzzling that many people spoke with certainty about things which could not be verified by any known methodology (this is what atheists and theists do) . Huxley believed that to claim to have "knowledge" (in Greek, gnosis) that a belief or claim is true or lie, one must have verifiable evidence to support to disprove the claim. To Huxley, to present a claim as certain without evidence was ethically wrong and intellectually dishonest. He stated that claims of certainty in any matter, whether science or religion, should be backed by evidence, and proposed the agnostic method to examine claims based on evidence. If there was no justifiable evidence, one was "without knowledge" of the certainty of the claim or belief, or agnostic. He called practice of using such a method agnosticism

Agnosticism is not about belief, it is about using a method to verify the probability that a claim is true or factual by examining the evidence. A person is free to believe or not believe the claim, and may choose to believe a claim without evidence, based on philosophical reasons or personal preference.

So, according to Huxley's definition of agnostic and agnosticism, those who practice the scientific method are indeed agnostic in the sense that they use a method to examine the evidence for a claim before determining the probability that the claim is true or factual.

In Huxley's words:
“Agnosticism is not a… creed of any kind, but the validity of a principle, which is as much ethical as intellectual. This principle may be stated in various ways, but they all amount to this: it is wrong for a man to say that he is certain of the objective truth of any proposition unless he can produce evidence which logically justifies that certainty.”
T. H. Huxley. Essays, Volume V, IX

LordReed KnownUnknown

I asked a question in the previous thread. You didn't answer. Lemme rephrase……
Is there a red donkey sitting on your head?

MaxInDHouse:

They've been silenced for good that's why they will rather go after misinformed religionists as they know very well that when it comes to REASONABLENESS their hide and seek can't work with me.

How can someone who didn't dispute gravity and black holes simply because those that raised the ideas back it up not with the sight of Mr Gravity and Mr Black holes but the reaction of objects around that area dispute the faith in God that all mankind throughout history have been thinking of how to worship?

Is it not the same logic?

What is dragging mankind throughout history and in all geographical locations on this planet to worship what they can't see if there is no God/Gods?

I now understand why Workch don't bother engaging you. You're filled with all flavors of bullshit. Your last sentence showed you have no idea what basic logical reasoning is. You don't even care to analyze your statements through. And you claim youre an intelligence officer? Terrible!

Workch:
yes I do, a claim by mostly Christian that their god did something supernaturally. Miracle is a claim that can be tested

So how do you test Moses parted red sea?

Workch:
It's not, atheists don't know, they just don't believe he exist.
Atheism is not based on knowledge, they are the opposite of theists.

How do you know there is no dragon flying above your head?
Its not a trick question. Just answer it direct

paxonel:
how do you test religious claims?

Same way we test everything

paxonel:
have you ever seen a sick man healed miraculously before?

There's spontaneous remission of some diseases which is being researched and has many causes. However it happens in both theistic and atheistic individuals. So the god claim is automatically trashed

jaephoenix:

I now understand why Workch don't bother engaging you. You're filled with all flavors of bullshit. Your last sentence showed you have no idea what basic logical reasoning is. You don't even care to analyze your statements through. And you claim youre an intelligence officer? Terrible!

Ọmọ if you can't figure out why humans from time immemorial and in all geographical locations on this planet are searching for God then there's no need mentioning me atheism is dead and buried!

Workch:
No I haven't, but I have seen people make numerous claims of it.
If I see a pastor heal an HIV patient that I tested by myself, I will believe in miralces, if not I will be a fool to believe it because I saw it on TV

No go far. Just bring an amputee for them to heal, and watch the drama unfold