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SIRTee15:
Finally, when Pontus pilate spoke to Jesus; what was the language of communication?

The same language he spoke to the Pharisees and council, also the same language he spoke to Herod.

SIRTee15:
Still on Greek language.

When Pontus Pilate ordered Jesus to be crucified. He had an inscription written above his head 'king of the Jews'
According to john, this was written in Latin, Aramaic and Greek.
Why the Greek language? Who are the target audience the Greek inscription meant for in a Palestinian province?
Latin is understandable since it's the language of Roman authority but why Greek?
Why would Pontus Pilate, a Roman governor order the inscription written in Greek amongst Jewish population?

Nobody is saying there weren't any Greek speakers there, the question is were Jesus and the disciples converse enough to speak and write it.

SIRTee15:
Finally, when Pontus pilate spoke to Jesus; what was the language of communication?

He also spoke the same language to Joseph of Arimathea, when the latter was pleading for your savior's dead body.

SIRTee15:
He didn't answer the question. He answered the question he set for himself not mine.
The bible made it clear she wasn't a native of Greece so I don't understand his numerous screenshots which are irrelevant to the fact.

The issue here is not whether she spoke Greek or Aramaic.
Why was a gentile woman called Greek? That's my question.
It's a testament to the widespread Hellenised culture and influence in other non greek culture of those days.

He answered the question, it was a translation. The actual word used was Hellene meant to indicate she was a foreigner. The English translation to Greek was obviously inaccurate since she was Syro-Phoenician.

SIRTee15:
Finally, when Pontus pilate spoke to Jesus; what was the language of communication?

If he had them write the inscription in Aramaic as well why should we assume the language of the conversation was in Greek and not Aramaic?

[quote author=Maynman post=126706010][/quote]Ok

Aemmyjah:
Ok

Yes, yahweh worshipper

LordReed:
Sirach's compilation of the Tanakh did not include it and that was compiled 200 to 175 BCE.

Sirach did not compile any tanakh neither was his work cannonised as a Jewish scripture.
The book of sirach is regarded as one of the inter testament books written when there was no further prophesy in the land, it's called deutorocannonical.

Some chapters of the book listed the prophets but it's not an exclusive list.
Sirach didn't mention Ezra, Zachariah or Malachi which are post exile prophets but mentioned zerubabel.
Whereas the book of ezekiel written in 400-500BC mentioned Daniel and 1st book of Maccabee written in the 2nd century mentioned Daniel.

SIRTee15:
He didn't answer the question. He answered the question he set for himself not mine.
The bible made it clear she wasn't a native of Greece so I don't understand his numerous screenshots which are irrelevant to the fact.

The issue here is not whether she spoke Greek or Aramaic.
Why was a gentile woman called Greek? That's my question.
It's a testament to the widespread Hellenised culture and influence in other non greek culture of those days.

When you engage with a mad man, you'll suffer
When it's 2 mad men, it's worse

It's better to engage with 10 mad men that with someone that is just foolish cos mad men also have sane moments
How much more two people that are just foolish?
They don't contribute anything meaningful on Nairaland apart from the one trying to make sense to himself on existence and nonexistence
Imagine them using the same book they criticize as myth, forged, fraud to validate or invalidate things that are said or written in the same book

Imagine saying that Pilate spoke Aramaic 😂 😂 😂. Plate that tomorrow, they will cook up articles that he never existed

SIRTee15:
Sirach did not compile any tanakh neither was his work cannonised as a Jewish scripture.
The book of spinach is regarded as one of the inter testament books written when there no further prophesy in the land, it's called deutocannonical.

Some chapters of the book listed the prophets but it's not an exclusive list.
Sirach didn't mention Ezra, Zachariah or Malachi which are post exile prophets but mentioned zerubabel.
Whereas the book of ezekiah written in 400-500BC mentioned Daniel and 1st book of Maccabee written in the 2nd century mentioned Daniel.

The first thing you need to do is ask them which Daniel you are arguing about he really existed according to them. Tomorrow, they may see an obscure article written by someone that Daniel never existed and they start to parade it like a medal

LordReed:
Nobody is saying there weren't any Greek speakers there, the question is were Jesus and the disciples converse enough to speak and write it.

When Jews speaks to non Jews in 1st century AD, what language do they use to communicate?

SIRTee15:
Whereas the book of ezekiah written in 400-500BC mentioned Daniel and 1st book of Maccabee written in the 2nd century mentioned Daniel.

When Ezekiel wrote, how old would Daniel have been?

SIRTee15:
When Jews speaks to non Jews in 1st century AD, what language do they use to communicate?

Who are the "non Jews"?

LordReed:
He answered the question, it was a translation. The actual word used was Hellene meant to indicate she was a foreigner. The English translation to Greek was obviously inaccurate since she was Syro-Phoenician.

When does Hellene meant foreigner. In what era.

So a Syrian living in Greece in 1st century AD will be called Hellene? Is that what u saying?
The Greeks will call a foreigner living amongst them Hellene?

Common u much smarter than this, don't just follow a blind man into a pit.
That I chose to ignore been him since yesterday doesn't mean he's right.

Do your own research so that u don't end up like him...a nuisance.


The Jews are the ones that call gentiles/foreigners by the word Hellene/Greek, and there's a reason for that.

That doesn't mean a Roman will call an Egyptian Hellene unless the Egyptian fits the criteria.

Anyway some answers gives insight.

SIRTee15:
So a Syrian living in Greece in 1st century AD will be called Hellene? Is that what u saying?
The Greeks will call a foreigner living amongst them Hellene?

are you dumb?
Is this woman living in Greece?
Was it Jews or Greeks that was calling this woman "hellene"?
Think na 😂😂

SIRTee15:
....

Just to show more of your Barreness, this story is repeated in Matthew just for further Context yet you are still acting dumb. See what religion has turn you into..

Matthew 15:22.

SIRTee15:
When does Hellene meant foreigner. In what era.

So a Syrian living in Greece in 1st century AD will be called Hellene? Is that what u saying?
The Greeks will call a foreigner living amongst them Hellene?

Common u much smarter than this, don't just follow a blind man into a pit.
That I chose to ignore been him since yesterday doesn't mean he's right.

Do your own research so that u don't end up like him...a nuisance.


The Jews are the ones that call gentiles/foreigners by the word Hellene/Greek, and there's a reason for that.

That doesn't mean a Roman will call an Egyptian Hellene unless the Egyptian fits the criteria.

Anyway some answers gives insight.

Acts 6
Now in those days when the disciples were increasing, the Greek-speaking Jews began complaining against the Hebrew-speaking Jews, because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution.


Greek was already a common language beginning from the civilization caused by Alexander the Great.
Funniest comment is assuming that Pilate spoke Aramaic 😂

Aemmyjah:
Acts 6
Now in those days when the disciples were increasing, the Greek-speaking Jews began complaining against the Hebrew-speaking Jews, because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution.

They were talking about the hellenes.

Aemmyjah:
Greek was already a common language beginning from the civilization caused by Alexander the Great.
Funniest comment is assuming that Pilate spoke Aramaic 😂

I wonder what he spoke to the Pharisees and the councils, I wonder what he spoke to Herod, I wonder what he spoke to Joseph Aritmathie.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_Jesus

Aemmyjah:
Funniest comment is assuming that Pilate spoke Aramaic 😂

When he was telling the crowd that he should release Jesus or Barabbas, it was all in Greek. The crowd also responded, all in Greek.
Let's laugh 😂😂

SIRTee15:
When does Hellene meant foreigner. In what era.

So a Syrian living in Greece in 1st century AD will be called Hellene? Is that what u saying?
The Greeks will call a foreigner living amongst them Hellene?

Common u much smarter than this, don't just follow a blind man into a pit.
That I chose to ignore been him since yesterday doesn't mean he's right.

Do your own research so that u don't end up like him...a nuisance.


The Jews are the ones that call gentiles/foreigners by the word Hellene/Greek, and there's a reason for that.

That doesn't mean a Roman will call an Egyptian Hellene unless the Egyptian fits the criteria.

Anyway some answers gives insight.

How was she both a Syrophoenician and a native of Greece?

You acknowledge that it was Jews who called foreigners Hellenes, was it not Jews who wrote the gospels?

SIRTee15:
When Jews speaks to non Jews in 1st century AD, what language do they use to communicate?

I don't know. What language were they using?

[quote author=SIRTee15 post=126713488][/quote]According to the picture you yourself sent....
"In the NEW TESTAMENT......"

SIRTee15:
Sirach did not compile any tanakh neither was his work cannonised as a Jewish scripture.
The book of spinach is regarded as one of the inter testament books written when there no further prophesy in the land, it's called deutocannonical.

Some chapters of the book listed the prophets but it's not an exclusive list.
Sirach didn't mention Ezra, Zachariah or Malachi which are post exile prophets but mentioned zerubabel.
Whereas the book of ezekiah written in 400-500BC mentioned Daniel and 1st book of Maccabee written in the 2nd century mentioned Daniel.

Yes I guess my statement was inaccurate so I have screenshot the exact wording and added how Sirach itself is considered canon.

They may have mentioned Daniel but do they reference a book of Daniel?

LordReed:
Yes I guess my statement was inaccurate so I have screenshot the exact wording and added how Sirach itself is considered canon.

They may have mentioned Daniel but do they reference a book of Daniel?

Do u actually understand what u underlined. It says the prologue of sirach listed canon of prophet books.
It never said book of sirach is a canon. The book was never considered a canon by any Jewish sect.

Here's the prologue they talking about
https://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Ecclesiasticus%2044%E2%80%9349&version=nrsvae

SIRTee15:
Do u actually understand what u underlined. It says the prologue of sirach listed canon of prophet books.
It never said book of sirach is a canon. The book was never considered a canon by any Jewish sect.

Here's the prologue they talking about
https://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Ecclesiasticus%2044%E2%80%9349&version=nrsvae

There are 2 screenshots, the 2nd shows how Sirach itself is canon. That it is not Jewish canon but is Christian canon only serves to underscore my point: what constitutes canon is a function of the bias of those selecting that canon.

LordReed:
I don't know. What language were they using?

Greek.
The eastern Roman province was heavily Hellenised by the 1st century AD. It was the lingua Franca of that era in the Judea and Mediterranean.
That's why the Jews refer to non Jews (gentiles) as greeks/hellene.
It's extrapolation of the word Hellene/greek by the jews to cover greek speakers.

Even Jews that lived abroad and embraced the Greek culture in those days were called Hellenised Jews.

LordReed:
How was she both a Syrophoenician and a native of Greece?

You acknowledge that it was Jews who called foreigners Hellenes, was it not Jews who wrote the gospels?

I never said she was a native to Greece. Pls read to understand.

SIRTee15:
Greek.
The eastern Roman province was heavily Hellenised by the 1st century AD. It was the lingua Franca of that era in the Judea and Mediterranean.
That's why the Jews refer to non Jews- gentiles as greeks/hellene.
It's extrapolation of the word Hellene/greek by the jews to cover greek speakers.

Even Jews that lived abroad and embraced the Greek culture in those days were called Hellenised Jews.

Your own screenshot said this?

Where did you get this jargons..
Is "non Jews" or "Gentile" Hebrew words?

Calm down and read your own screenshot.

Aemmyjah:
Acts 6
Now in those days when the disciples were increasing, the Greek-speaking Jews began complaining against the Hebrew-speaking Jews, because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution.


Greek was already a common language beginning from the civilization caused by Alexander the Great.
Funniest comment is assuming that Pilate spoke Aramaic 😂

Pilate speaking Aramaic is a desperate attempt to extract most extreme unimaginable evidence.

I never believed LordReed will fall for that, not surprised about our friend though....

I wonder how many English men during the colonial period leant any Nigeria language in order to communicate with Nigerians.

Very absurd.

SIRTee15:
I wonder how many English men during the colonial period leant any Nigeria language in order to communicate with Nigerians.

What is the "Nigeria language"?
Was there anything like "Nigeria" then?

You use a dumb example SIRTee15, you should have used the "Panare Indians", which language did they use to communicate to them?

Aemmyjah:
When you engage with a mad man, you'll suffer
When it's 2 mad men, it's worse

It's better to engage with 10 mad men that with someone that is just foolish cos mad men also have sane moments
How much more two people that are just foolish?
They don't contribute anything meaningful on Nairaland apart from the one trying to make sense to himself on existence and nonexistence
Imagine them using the same book they criticize as myth, forged, fraud to validate or invalidate things that are said or written in the same book

Imagine saying that Pilate spoke Aramaic 😂 😂 😂. Plate that tomorrow, they will cook up articles that he never existed

Is LordReed also a nuisance. I thought he's one smart dude.
I may have to end this afterall.
Not that he's intellectually sound in anyway.
Just imagine, he still can't get it that the syrophoenician woman is not a native of Greece but a Greek speaker. That's the reason she was called Greek/hellene.