Kobojunkie:
I don't follow! Do these women impregnate themselves or what?

Whether there's a man involved or not women desire to have children and even get pregnant.

The excuse of "I bring my womb to the table" is used to justify being a selfish partner. If your only contribution to the relationship is something you do naturally then you aren't really contributing.

When the child is born are you going to dump it with your husband because you have "done your part?".

Kobojunkie:
So, children are sort of your personal slaves?

No they are your's because you'll use your money to buy their service

Crosby24:
■ No they are your's because you'll use your money to buy their service

So, indeed, children are personal slaves?

Crosby24:

Any how you put it at that point it's not robots that will do the work for you but human so having children is not sacrifice but a necessity

have you have heard the phrase money talks

it simply means money makes things happen, eg if parents have pension funds through different means it mean they can hire people to do things for them while their own child are also working to raise money that will help them in old age

dont get me wrong, yes we should look after our parents but in all that we should also make plans for our old age so that our children are able to make money that will look after them in their old age than putting the 100% burden our children

Kobojunkie:
So, indeed, children are personal slaves?

by your perception

Farki:
■ Whether there's a man involved or not women desire to have children and even get pregnant. The excuse of "I bring my womb to the table" is used to justify being a selfish partner. If your only contribution to the relationship is something you do naturally then you aren't really contributing.
■ When the child is born are you going to dump it with your husband because you have "done your part?".

1. Two people sitting at the table — a man and a woman. The woman says she brings her womb to the table, and the man accepts and agrees to it. Given no gun was placed to the man's head to force him into such an agreement, wetin come be your own?

2. If the man agreed that all that the woman should bring was her womb, then obviously the man agreed to carry on his head 100% responsibility for both child and mother. Wetin be your own for there?

Crosby24:
■ by your perception

Aren't these your own words....

Crosby24:
No they are your's because you'll use your money to buy their service

ZIMDRILL:


have you have heard the phrase money talks

it simply means money makes things happen, eg if parents have pension funds through different means it mean they can hire people to do things for them while their own child are also working to raise money that will help them in old age

Men make money not the opposite so you cannot over look the importance Man as a blessing instead sacrifice.

Crosby24:

Men make money not the opposite so you cannot over look the importance Man as a blessing instead sacrifice.

did you understand what i said? who talked about overlooking the importance of man ?

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Kobojunkie:
Aren't these your own words....

How did one children become his slave

Crosby24:
■ How did one children become his slave

You said it yourself. You have them, and put your money into developing them so they could in turn cater to you when the time comes. No be slaves be that?

ZIMDRILL:


did you understand what i said? who talked about overlooking the importance of man ?

Then you did not understand the the topic of this discuss

Kobojunkie:
You said it yourself. You have them, and put your money into developing them so they could in turn cater to you when the time comes. No be slaves be that?

Check the meaning of slave 😂

Kobojunkie:
1. Two people sitting at the table — a man and a woman. The woman says she brings her womb to the table, and the man accepts and agrees to it. Given no gun was placed to the man's head to force him into such an agreement, wetin come be your own?

2. If the man agreed that all that the woman should bring was her womb, then obviously the man agreed to carry on his head 100% responsibility for both child and mother. Wetin be your own for there?

Your analogy is cute but this rarely happens in real life and you know it.

If the said woman refuses to feed her child, leaves the house dirty and the child dies from this neglect in the father's absence, will the excuse of "I only bring my womb to the table" be valid?


Here's another example. A woman gave birth and she's not married. The man responsible refuses to support her and the child since, after all, he did not make a commitment to her. Would that be a reasonable course of action?

Crosby24:

Then you did not understand the the topic of this discuss

what u said before this, is it relevent both to the topic or to even to what i said

Mindlog:


No, in today's world it is an option as not every woman is biologically able to get pregnant or carry a pregnancy to full term.....that is why surrogacy exists as an option for such women who intend to have children.

There is another group of women who struggle with tokophobia (intense fear of pregnancy, which makes them do everything possible to avoid getting pregnant and giving birth even when sexually active) and this is a mental health condition that needs intense cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) sessions to challenge it.

You missed the big point

the issue here is not about those who have conditions that makes it hard them to naturally concieve and give birth

But majority of those who can naturally concieve and give birth but think its sacrifice on its own when in fact its not, its the natural way of doing it if you want to have your own child, so once again you can not sacrifice on things you are meant to be doing/solely responsible of doing eg if your want to be a biological father, you must sleep with a woman, in notmal circumstances you cant say i sacrificed to be a biological father, when you too you want your own kids


As most africans we being emotionally abused by our parents with the words sacrifice, we now think one's natural and legal responisiblity is now a sacrifice, when infact its your responsibility from the start

Farki:
■ Your analogy is cute but this rarely happens in real life and you know it. If the said woman refuses to feed her child, leaves the house dirty and the child dies from this neglect in the father's absence, will the excuse of "I only bring my womb to the table" be valid?
■ Here's another example. A woman gave birth and she's not married. The man responsible refuses to support her and the child since, after all, he did not make a commitment to her. Would that be a reasonable course of action?

1. "I only bring my womb to the table" is not an excuse but her contribution to the agreement that is marriage. So, I don't see why you wave it around for what it ain't meant for. So long as a man and woman enter into the contract of marriage on those terms, it is binding, and there is nothing any third party can do about there. If a child is neglected in the union, it is both parties to be held responsible, not just the woman.

2. If the woman chooses to see that child to term, then she is technically supposed to inform the authorities that the man, whose child it is, is guilty of neglect. Either that or she carries full responsibility for whatever happens to the kid.

Crosby24:
Check the meaning of slave 😂

OK

slave
/slāv/
1. a person who is forced to work for and obey another and is considered to be their property; an enslaved person.

Your children are literally forced into existence by a choice made by you and your partner. And you seem to think that by caring for them, you pay for their service. Isn't that what slavery is all about?

Kobojunkie:
1. "I only bring my womb to the table" is not an excuse but her contribution to the agreement that is marriage. So, I don't see why you wave it around for what it ain't meant for. So long as a man and woman enter into the contract of marriage on those terms, it is binding, and there is nothing any third party can do about there. If a child is neglected in the union, it is both parties to be held responsible, not just the woman.

It is an excuse because you are a grown adult with responsibilities and obligations. If a woman neglects her child in the absence of the other parent there is no sane court that will hold both liable.

A very nauseating sickness women online exhibit is shrieking respons

2. If the woman chooses to see that child to term, then she is technically supposed to inform the authorities that the man, whose child it is, is guilty of neglect. Either that or she carries full responsibility for whatever happens to the kid. [/quote]

Farki:
■ It is an excuse because you are a grown adult with responsibilities and obligations.
■ If a woman neglects her child in the absence of the other parent there is no sane court that will hold both liable. A very nauseating sickness women online exhibit is shrieking response

1. There is no law against grown adults choosing to enter into such agreements with other equally grown adults so what you are doing here is just bickering over something you have no control or legal say about. The law and culture, offline, allow it and men embrace it so you should probably learn to get over yourself.

2. Both parents are responsible for the child whether one chooses to be absent or not. No court will reasonably attack the mother alone without inquiring about the father and the circumstances surrounding his absence going as far as to satisfy that his absence could not be helped.

Kobojunkie:
1. "I only bring my womb to the table" is not an excuse but her contribution to the agreement that is marriage. So, I don't see why you wave it around for what it ain't meant for. So long as a man and woman enter into the contract of marriage on those terms, it is binding, and there is nothing any third party can do about there. If a child is neglected in the union, it is both parties to be held responsible, not just the woman.

Sorry but it is not binding, it is an excuse, a silly one at that because in the real world you are a grown adult with responsibilities and obligations.

Whatever verbal agreement you had in the past won't shield you from the consequences of being stupid. Even wedding vows are not legally binding so you can discard this silly mentality.

If a woman neglects her child in the absence of the other parent there is no sane court that will hold both liable. It has never happened and will never happen.

A very nauseating sickness women online exhibit is selfishly in acting like children to escape responsibility.

2. If the woman chooses to see that child to term, then she is technically supposed to inform the authorities that the man, whose child it is, is guilty of neglect. Either that or she carries full responsibility for whatever happens to the kid.

Funny how both parents are now liable for the welfare of the child when previously you said fulfilling your basic biological function was enough.

In this case no "contract" was made and a man should not be forced to take up a role he did not agree to just because he had sex.

Farki:
■ Sorry but it is not binding, it is an excuse, a silly one at that because in the real world you are a grown adult with responsibilities and obligations. Whatever verbal agreement you had in the past won't shield you from the consequences of being stupid. Even wedding vows are not legally binding so you can discard this silly mentality.
■ If a woman neglects her child in the absence of the other parent there is no sane court that will hold both liable. It has never happened and will never happen. A very nauseating sickness women online exhibit is selfishly in acting like children to escape responsibility. Funny how both parents are now liable for the welfare of the child when previously you said fulfilling your basic biological function was enough. In this case no "contract" was made and a man should not be forced to take up a role he did not agree to just because he had sex.

1. Look, you can wail all you want but so long as none of the parties involved were forced, it all amounts to nothing in the end.

2. You lie!

Farki:


Whether there's a man involved or not women desire to have children and even get pregnant.

The excuse of "I bring my womb to the table" is used to justify being a selfish partner. If your only contribution to the relationship is something you do naturally then you aren't really contributing.

When the child is born are you going to dump it with your husband because you have "done your part?".

when you look deep, us men we are the ones who have made those women think and behave suck aka i bring the womb on the table

i shall highlight two things

1 Modernization

With the coming of whites and formation of towns etc it change the roles of the woman outside the bedroom and kitchen. Even today we still ask our women buy saying i will look after you. Whar does it mean, it simply means i will provide most of the things in our life while u sit at home and manage. Before the white men, were in villages both men and women had specific roles and they all brought something on the table,, with now towns women nolonger need to fetch water from the river its there few step in the kitchen or yard, no firewood fetching the stove is there electric or kerosine. This attracted a village girl when boy promised to marry her and take to the city, this was the begining of self entitlement of our women

2 Able bodied

The main reason we look down on marrying a disabled person, is due to the set up old ways of living were all men and women brought something on the table by doing gender based roles that put food on the table, Life before urbabisation was based on labour farming and hunt and gathering. A disabled person wasnt a good idea person to marry and most were killed at child birth

My point is at some point in time our women brought something on the table and some still do, those entitle are caused by us men and i have explained it above

Us men are the one we feed those self entitled by promising to look after them than saying looking after eacjh other

Kobojunkie:
1. Look, you can wail all you want but so long as none of the parties involved were forced, it all amounts to nothing in the end.

People lie, people change, situations change. It's like I'm taking to a kid who can't even go to the toilet without getting her hand held.

2. You lie!

Bring one example where it has happened.

That's true. It's why I tell men not to say providing for their kids is sacrifice. If you can't provide the best for your kids why have them? Did they force you to rub genitals and bring them into this world? What foolishness to look at an innocent child and claim you sacrificed as a man to provide for children you dragged into this world.

ZIMDRILL:



when you look deep, us men we are the ones who have made those women think and behave suck aka i bring the womb on the table

i shall highlight two things

1 Modernization

With the coming of whites and formation of towns etc it change the roles of the woman outside the bedroom and kitchen. Even today we still ask our women buy saying i will look after you. Whar does it mean, it simply means i will provide most of the things in our life while u sit at home and manage. Before the white men, were in villages both men and women had specific roles and they all brought something on the table,, with now towns women nolonger need to fetch water from the river its there few step in the kitchen or yard, no firewood fetching the stove is there electric or kerosine. This attracted a village girl when boy promised to marry her and take to the city, this was the begining of self entitlement of our women

2 Able bodied

The main reason we look down on marrying a disabled person, is due to the set up old ways of living were all men and women brought something on the table by doing gender based roles that put food on the table, Life before urbabisation was based on labour farming and hunt and gathering. A disabled person wasnt a good idea person to marry and most were killed at child birth

My point is at some point in time our women brought something on the table and some still do, those entitle are caused by us men and i have explained it above

Us men are the one we feed those self entitled by promising to look after them than saying looking after eacjh other

Eventually the men will even get tired, that's when the emotional blackmail will start.

"He abandoned me" "Men are scum" "Men only care about themselves" meanwhile the idiot won't mention all the trouble she caused previously.

Solofresh2:
I came across this thread https://www.nairaland.com/7922825/husband-before-ask-wife-what and I see the OP trying to justify the saying "what does a woman brings to the table" anthem by men nowadays.

Saying a woman facing a difficult time giving birth to her child is a sacrifice is a no no.It is natural for a woman to give birth to a child,either difficulty or not.

It is also natural for a man to releases sperm,so as to impregnate a woman.

If a man find it difficult to impregnate a woman, will you call that a sacrifice too?

Infact,sacrifice is when a man provides everything for his woman because it is not compulsory.

Anybody can make money to provide for their own needs, not always waiting for your man to do everything for you.

It is your responsibility as a woman to carry your pregnancy if you want a child.

This is the most ignorant and dumbest thread I ever saw.
Pregnancy and childbirth puts a woman's life at risk.

I remember during youth service when I served in the O&G department of a certain hospital. That year what I used my eye to see and experienced, it traumatized me, I know how many women and babies I saved from the brink of death and disability. heck, I nearly got infected with HIV due to somebody's incompetent and swore that I would rather stay single than open my legs for a worthless man and bear him a child.


Motherhood is not worth it and over rated except if you have a partner who is sensible. Not these poorly trained men who think they are husband material. Many men don't even know what it means to be parents.

Ladies should a man start misbehaving, a pregnancy will not patch your relationship. Go and get birth control if you are not ready for wahala.

kkins25:
Yes,of course. I chose to fvck, I chose! How can I be making a sacrifice for that which i've decided to bring into this world? Instead, it is they that would have to sacrifice on my behalf because I may not be able to fulfill all their childhood dreams. Hopefully, I live long enough to ensure they become independent adults.

Child bearing isn't a sacrifice on either the mans part nor the womans part. Sacrifice? On who's behalf? Did the child whisper into their ears to tun off the lights and rub genitals? Come on!

Shockingly, it's only humans that have this audacity! You don't see monkeys tellings it's offspring "I sacrificed for you to live."

Whatever sacrifices I make, it is not for the sake of the children, it is for my sake: Because, only through them can my ancestors and I attain immortality.

This mentality is disgusting. Your children are not your retirement plans. They are not your legacy.

It is disgusting when 2 people rub genitals without thinking of lifelong consequences. Siring a progeny into the world without a plan to raise it properly into adulthood as a contributor to society is how boko harm recruits members and people get houseboys and housegirls.

You all will learn down the line. Fûck around and find out season is here. Winter is coming for many men. Worldwide, a movement of women are choosing to not have children is growing. With time, it will enter this country too. Women are beginning to question if motherhood is worth it.

Farki:


Eventually the men will even get tired, that's when the emotional blackmail will start.

"He abandoned me" "Men are scum" "Men only care about themselves" meanwhile the idiot won't mention all the trouble she caused previously.

True

as for men we need to each our daughter to have the mind to bring something on the table than to be looked at as an item that can be replaced

Magnoliaa:
Mtcheeeewwww. I don't even know what to say.

No need

These ones still have a lot to learn