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Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Stoplying: 4:21am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Raf4:A map drawn hundreds of years ago which shows Lagos as being part of Benin, to you that is less of a proof than your oranmiyan fairytales and all those your nonsensical claims ? Also a text written hundreds of years ago in which the author clearly says that Lagos is a part of Benin ! Cognitive dissonance, that is your illness right now. You have problems comprehending what you see. 1 Like |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Raf4: 4:27am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Stoplying: If truly you have any connection to Edo, not to talk of having an Enogie as an uncle, you'll never say Oduduwa and Oranmiyan never existed. Even Oba of Bini will curse you if you say it to him that Oranmiyan, his progenitor, never existed. |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Mosba: 4:27am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Just assuming you are a biologist studying Yorubas and Benis as species, The only conclusion you will reach is that the dominant specie(Yoruba) spread to and gave birth to Benin and not the other way around. However, for the sake of our other brothers from the east let's call Lagos A NO MAN'S LAND |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by tollyboy5(m): 4:30am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Christistruth00 As for the issue of ife people founded bini kingdom. That's what people should emphasize on instead of shying away from the truth that beni founded the city Lagos and were not the first settlers as everyone agrees. 1 Like |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Stoplying: 4:30am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Raf4:Your level of discussion of history is strange. Look is this your historical argument ? Am I now to argue about this nonsense which you just typed ? Again: oduduwa, oranmiyan never existed. They are fairytales, not historical figures ! Do you want to discuss history or fairytales ? If you want to talk about fairytales, I prefer to talk about Peter Pan. |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Raf4: 4:33am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Stoplying: First, it's the map of Africa you posted and how it turned out to be map of Benin or Bini might be a product of your turbulent imagination. Second, at the stage of yours, I don't want to believe that you don't know the difference between Benin city and Benin Republic, and that both do not have anything in common. Yes, no relationship between Bini city and Benin Republic. |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Stoplying: 4:34am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Mosba:Map of Africa published in 1747:
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Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by tollyboy5(m): 4:34am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Mosba:Lets not capitalized on ignorance. The time the beni came to Eko there was nothing like yorubas. So there was nothing like the dominating part called yoruba. IJebu dominated their territory so do benin and others. If the benin decide to colonize the aworis in lagos it was never the business of the closest kingdom ijebu. 1 Like |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Stoplying: 4:38am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Raf4:1. I posted several maps. (You are so lazy that you can't even look at page 6) 2. Benin kingdom is what is on the maps 3. When the maps were drawn, Benin Republic didn't exist yet. 4. Benin Republic took its name from Benin kingdom in the 1970's (several hundreds of years after the maps were drawn) 5. Benin city is the capital of Benin kingdom, not the entirety of Benin kingdom, you can see it on the maps 6. You are basically a child, you know nothing at all.
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Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Raf4: 4:39am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Stoplying: That's why I rightly put it that you're neither a Yoruba nor Edo, but simply a meddlesome Interloper. Stop pretending, we know where you came from. No freeborn of Edo will say Oranmiyan was a fairytale that never existed. Without Oranmiyan, there won't be anything like Oba of Bini today. |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Stoplying: 4:40am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Raf4:Dude, who gives a fcvk if I'm Edo or not ? Your reasoning is stupid. Are we debating my Edoness or history ! Again, oranmiyan, oduduwa...all those are fairytales! I'm an educated man, I won't fall for your illiterate tricks. |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Raf4: 4:48am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Stoplying: Let's assume that all you stated about the map are "correct" who drew the map on the first place? You don't believe the records of Yoruba, but believe the colonial masters from thousands of miles away, just as you believe they discovered rive Niger. |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Stoplying: 4:54am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Raf4:1. I should believe yoruba instead of myself and my own people with respect to my people's history 😂 2. The maps were drawn by people who visited our region hundreds of years ago and wrote down what they saw, and you want to compare that with people of today who didn't witness that period of time (several hundreds of years ago) 3. You have difficulties understanding the concept of time. In your head, you can't even imagine that the world existed 500 years ago and that people could travel and write 500 years ago, and that some people from Europe who could write did travel to our region hundreds of years ago and wrote down what they saw ! It is those texts which I am consulting today ! You think I'm reading something written by a person of today ?🤣 4. Your lack of knowledge of history is amazing, you think like a 5 year old child! 5. Do you understand that "year 1747" is an actual year in which people existed ? (It is not the name of a movie) I posted a map published in year 1747 and write down the year in which it was published, but you seem to believe it was published by a guy whom is still alive today 🤣 6. You don't even know the history of colonisation, these documents were made hundreds of years before colonisation. 7. This guy doesn't understand the most basic things. |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Raf4: 5:00am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Stoplying: If you aren't daft and heavily beclouded by hatred, you wouldn't have stated that. You believe that Oba of Bini exists, but his ancestors never existed. Stop being a disgrace to your alma mater as you claimed to be a literate |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Stoplying: 5:03am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Raf4:The problem is that none of your claims is substantiated and that actual proof, which I show, goes against your claims. Everybody has ancestors, I never said the OBA of Benin doesn't have ancestors, but there is a difference between having ancestors and having an ancestor who came from Ife. Do you understand that? You are not smart at all. |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Raf4: 5:11am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Stoplying: Stop dogging this. Can you dispute the below facts: One of the evidences that Ife founded Bini is the name of the City Yoruba ancient surnames that are everywhere in Bini (Nobody is bearing Bini name in Lagos or anywhere in Yorubaland) eg Obasuyi, Alonge, Oyegun, Balogun, Ojo, Ajayi, Ogun......, Ade....Oye....etc Yoruba/Ife deities are being worshipped in Bini e.g Ogun, Osun, Olokun, Sonponna, Obatala etc. They have Orunmila and Ogboni temples in Bini Another evidence is that they celebrate Odua (not ekeledaran or whatever) and Oranmiyan festivals in Bini - Igue Oodua, Igue Oranmiyan |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Stoplying: 5:16am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Raf4:This was written by a person who knows nothing about Benin. It is all trash, and again even if these were factual, it is still not what we call historical proof of Benin being founded by Ife ! You are incapable of accepting clear evidence, instead you want to push complete rubbish as evidence. I've given you enough free lectures. End.
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Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Raf4: 5:22am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Christistruth00: Great submission! Pls, I'll like to know more about this Moba-Ilaje-Ijebu-Ife connections 1 Like |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Shattuck(m): 5:25am On Nov 30, 2023 |
GUNITGuy:I don't think you understand my argument. |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Raf4: 5:34am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Stoplying: You're flatly defeated! Is it that meaningless map (just geographical drawings) that gave thousands of indigenous Edos Yoruba ancient surnames? Is it your irrelevant map that makes Bini people to be worshiping Yoruba/Ife gods and having branches of Orunmila, Ogboni and other temples in Bini? Is it your submitted map that instructed Bini people to be celebrating igue Odua (Odua festival) and igue Oranmiyan (Oranmiyan festival)? Dey play o. |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Shattuck(m): 5:37am On Nov 30, 2023 |
tollyboy5:this is one thing they always fail to understand they think that Yoruba was a kingdom or a united brotherhood the ancient bini kingdom was larger and more powerful than any Yoruba kingdom. |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Shattuck(m): 5:49am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Mosba:there was no such thing as Yoruba kingdom in ancient time, and the bini kingdom was larger than any Yoruba kingdom, there are accounts that a bini prince founded ife, Ile ife might have being influenced by the ancient bini kingdom, why you guys find it hard to accept this is because you look at the Yoruba as a larger ethnic group that the binis which is true, which makes it difficult to believe you might have been largely influenced but in ancient times there was no such thing as a Yoruba kingdom, if western history wasn't properly documented it would have been very difficult to believe Britain colonised america, or Britain was once colonised by Norway. |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Raf4: 5:52am On Nov 30, 2023 |
VEHINTOLAR: We have told them severally that the official/royal language in Oba of Bini's Palace is Yoruba (ede Ife) not until recently, during Oba Akenzua/Ereduawa reigns (the 2 immediate past Obas) that they started to re write the history by hiding/erasing all these facts, including the burial of the heads of their departed Obas in Orun Oba Ado shrines in Ile-Ife. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by RedAlert08(m): 5:54am On Nov 30, 2023 |
atobs4real: Yes o, quality education like that of MC Oluomo and Portable. 1 Like |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by BreconHills(m): 6:02am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Shattuck: Oyo Kingdom? 1 Like
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Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Raf4: 6:02am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Shattuck: You're too emotionally feeble for this discussion. Can you mention a single Bini influence on Ile-Ife or anywhere in Yorubaland? I can show you numerous Yoruba/Ife influences all over Bini, starting from the name of the City, to numerous Yoruba ancient surnames all over Bini to Yoruba gods being worshipped in Bini etc. The current king and his late father cannot just turn the well known ancient history upside down now. |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Shattuck(m): 6:19am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Raf4:my argument is largely in relation to the Lagos issue there are numerous towns in Lagos like the idumota eti-osa local govt and other areas who bear bini names, just trying to discredit that is what I find wrong. |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Raf4: 6:26am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Krismas: So you know that ogie is the proper Bini word for King and you people are saying that Oba is Edo word. What a confusion! What a lie! |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Shattuck(m): 6:29am On Nov 30, 2023 |
BreconHills:ok maybe in size 1 Like |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Raf4: 6:35am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Shattuck:Eti osa is not a Bini word. It's a common compound word in Yorubaland for "near or by or beside or around" like Eti-okun, Eti-odo, Eti-osa, Eti-oya, Eti-ile, Eti-oko, Eti-oja etc. 1 Like |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Christistruth00: 6:45am On Nov 30, 2023 |
tollyboy5: Awori founded the City of Lagos and still own it today |
Re: Eko Founders’ Controversy: Academics, Olota, Lagos Chief Tackle Oba Of Benin by Raf4: 6:46am On Nov 30, 2023 |
Stoplying: Can you dispute the facts below that Ife founded Bini: One of the evidences that Ife founded Bini is the name of the City Yoruba ancient surnames that are everywhere in Bini (Nobody is bearing Bini name in Lagos or anywhere in Yorubaland) eg Obasuyi, Alonge, Oyegun, Balogun, Ojo, Ajayi, Ogun......, Ade....Oye....etc Yoruba/Ife deities are being worshipped in Bini e.g Ogun, Osun, Olokun, Sonponna, Obatala etc. They have Orunmila and Ogboni temples in Bini Another evidence is that they celebrate Odua (not izoduwa, ekeledaran or whatever) and Oranmiyan festivals in Bini - Igue Oodua, Igue Oranmiyan |
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