Obrigardo:


If clearance debases himself further, expect him to be impeached in Pres.Biden's second term when the house has the dem majority and senate is ironclad blue. We will never forget his wife's insurrectionist activities and it will hunt him till he dies.
But i doubt he will stoop that low, it will be interesting to read his opinion if scotus ever decides to hear criminal trumps plea for a stay.

Can the supreme court ever? And if they mistakenly did,I think Biden can decide to lock up Trump and throw the keys into the sea because he has immunity as president and can do and undo

But I trust them not to.

The Trump's team knows they have no way out,guess they just want to keep on wasting time

Someone else wrote this.....

Someone else wrote this, but it sums it up:

Trump promised to build a wall. He only did 458 miles out of 2,000. Most
of it was repair or replacement, not new.
He promised to make Mexico pay. They didn't.

He promised to cut the deficit. He added $8T to it.

He promised to unveil a new health care plan. It didn't exist.

He promised a middle class tax cut. He cut taxes for the rich. The middle class is paying for it.

He said he wouldn't play golf as President. He made 250 visits(way more than Obama) to his own golf clubs. It cost taxpayers $150 million.

He said he'd increase economic growth by 4%. He didn't. President Biden did.

He promised an infrastructure plan. He had none. President Biden signed a massive one.

He promised to hire "the best people." He fired 3/4 of them, and then said they were the worst ever.

He promised to bring down the price of prescription drugs. He didn't: President Biden did.

He promised to Hillary lock up . It didn't happen.

Promised we'd win the trade war with China. We didn't, cost about a quarter million jobs and hurt Americans not help them.

He promised his corporate tax cuts would help and benefit worker and corporations would use that money to invest in American workers. They didn't, they used that money to buy back stocks .

He promised to bring back and revive the coal industry. Never happened more coal jobs lost during his presidency.

He promised to drain the swamp. He didn't: He WAS the swamp.

And yet these dopes in the house will do anything to please him.

budaatum:
The dumb asses failed to impeach Alejandro Mayorkas.

Final vote was Yea 214, Nay 216.

The majority of Republican has been whittled by resignations of the speaker and some one else. Plus the expulsion by RINOs of George Santos. Democrats have the majority in the house, they are only lacking the gavel

happney65:


Can the supreme court ever? And if they mistakenly did,I think Biden can decide to lock up Trump and throw the keys into the sea because he has immunity as president and can do and undo

But I trust them not to.

The Trump's team knows they have no way out,guess they just want to keep on wasting time

My bro that is the height of the criminal trump cult stupidity. One moment he had his lawyers argue before the senate in his 2nd impeachment that they should leave the matter to the courts, now he argued against making the courts decide his fate because congress should do so. Even the appeals court cited that stupidity in their blasting opinion.

Do you see now why i don't take maga cultists seriously. Just imagine the supreme court going out of their way to deny the appeals court cert and say citizen criminal trump has immunity, that would make Pres. Biden all powerful and sure he will first of all eliminate criminal trump who is a present national security threat.

basilico:


The majority of Republican has been whittled by resignations of the speaker and some one else. Plus the expulsion by RINOs of George Santos. Democrats have the majority in the house, they are only lacking the gavel

I remember when you hounded us then with all the tales of election fraud and these stupid veritas was one of the major sources you cited.
Now are you ashamed yet? don't you feel foolish now?

I think i need to unearth all your election fraud conspiracy posts.

budaatum:
Someone else wrote this.....

Only thing criminal trump did was the tax cuts that only helped the likes of elon and co.
He was an utter failure.

armyofone:


You still dey here dey fight

I dey tell you bro. Keeping vigil till criminal trump is convicted and sent to jail.

The immunity rejection. Appears designed to proceed with Jackboots trial. Initially I read of tinelines with an enbanc review suspending the trial, but the judges have apparently ruled on that
I am not surprised by the appealate judges. Two were appointed by Joe Biden and the other by George Bush. Both Bush and Biden hate Trump.

Obrigardo:


Only thing criminal trump did was the tax cuts that only helped the likes of elon and co.
He was an utter failure.

Let's be honest here. Tax cuts did nothing to help everyone.Show us the
some evidence

Obrigardo:


I remember when you hounded us then with all the tales of election fraud and these stupid veritas was one of the major sources you cited.
Now are you ashamed yet? don't you feel foolish now?

I think i need to unearth all your election fraud conspiracy posts.

Veritas is not the absolute truth. On the other hand they ejected it's founder James o Keefe who went on to start OMG which has done some pretty good busting.
Veritas was raided by FBI because of Ashley Biden diary. The FBI intention was to bury the contents, especially where Ashley said she used to take showers with Pedo Pete, her dad. Ashley wrote in her diary that she thinks it was inappropriate to do so. Which dad showers with his daughter?
Hunter Biden hacked icloud account revealed that the contact he had saved as Pedo Pete was actually his dad's.
Joe and Jill knew Hunter was face timing while nude with his niece, his late brother's daughter. Hunter was also banging his late brother's wife
Can you stop supporting degenerates.

This Biden has been all out to help Iran just like Obama. IDF has evidence they Been bankrolling Hamas, but Biden went on to reinstate their frozen assets which they obviously used to fund their terror proxies.

This evening, we are publishing some of the intelligence information found there by our forces – indicating a direct “connection” from Iran to Hamas and more so – to Yahya Sinwar. We found official Hamas documents from 2020 detailing the funds transferred by Iran between the years 2014 and 2020 to Hamas and to Sinwar. More than one hundred and fifty million dollars were transferred from Iran to Hamas. This is another example of how Iran exports terror across the Middle East. The terror that Iran exports and produces is a global problem. The

Am not American but i think convicting a Former President on a crime he commited when he was the President is actually not the way forward.Or will this crimes be classified into convictable and non-convictable.
Cause they are about to initiate political witch hunt of opposing party.I think Obama and all former Presidents still alive should buckle up for what's coming

Raynald:
Am not American but i think convicting a Former President on a crime he commited when he was the President is actually not the way forward.Or will this crimes be classified into convictable and non-convictable.
Cause they are about to initiate political witch hunt of opposing party.I think Obama and all former Presidents still alive should buckle up for what's coming

Immunity of presidents shouldn't be everlasting , they should be charged and possibly convicted if they commit any illegal action as president, France charged and convicted Nicholas Sarkozy

Raynald:
Am not American but i think convicting a Former President on a crime he commited when he was the President is actually not the way forward.Or will this crimes be classified into convictable and non-convictable.
Cause they are about to initiate political witch hunt of opposing party.I think Obama and all former Presidents still alive should buckle up for what's coming

So you agree with Trump that a former president can send seal 6 team to assassinate his political opponents and he should not be prosecuted and punished because a president enjoys absolute immunity. In that case, Joe Biden should just order the assassination of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and Mitch McConnell, while at it, he should bomb fox news headquarters to the ground making sure Sean Hanity, Tucker Carlson and judge jeanine is inside.

Raynald:
Am not American but i think convicting a Former President on a crime he commited when he was the President is actually not the way forward.Or will this crimes be classified into convictable and non-convictable.
Cause they are about to initiate political witch hunt of opposing party.I think Obama and all former Presidents still alive should buckle up for what's coming

DC is 90,% plus democrats. No jury can ever convict Obama..
He would be tried in DC One crime comes to mind. He ordered a drone strike on an American terrorist and his son in a country the US was not at war with and on a civilian building. Al Alwaki and huscson were in Yemen when by presidential order , a hellfire missile was launched at them.

wirinet:


So you agree with Trump that a former president can send seal 6 team to assassinate his political opponents and he should not be prosecuted and punished because a president enjoys absolute immunity. In that case, Joe Biden should just order the assassination of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and Mitch McConnell, while at it, he should bomb fox news headquarters to the ground making sure Sean Hanity, Tucker Carlson and judge jeanine is inside.

Lyndon Johnson pardoned Nixon .
Nixon would have been prosecuted.

wirinet:


So you agree with Trump that a former president can send seal 6 team to assassinate his political opponents and he should not be prosecuted and punished because a president enjoys absolute immunity. In that case, Joe Biden should just order the assassination of Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and Mitch McConnell, while at it, he should bomb fox news headquarters to the ground making sure Sean Hanity, Tucker Carlson and judge jeanine is inside.

Didnt Fox rid itself of Tucker the racist Carlson a while ago?

basilico:


Lyndon Johnson pardoned Nixon .
Nixon would have been prosecuted.

A pardon, even if controversial, is altogether different from a claim of presidential immunity.

This is their plan all along and it is plain for everyone to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJUygdik_j8

Raynald:
Am not American but i think convicting a Former President on a crime he commited when he was the President is actually not the way forward.Or will this crimes be classified into convictable and non-convictable.
Cause they are about to initiate political witch hunt of opposing party.I think Obama and all former Presidents still alive should buckle up for what's coming

Nothing has changed in terms of the law. In fact if you remember, Trump said Obama should be indicted while Trump was president (remember the "he spied on my campaign" bit). It's peculiar he's changed his tune years later.. actually it's not peculiar, it's Trump.

But the foundation of the US government is the concept of check and balances. That each branch can be checked by the other 2. Now say the court found that the President (Executive Branch) is immune to prosecution. What prevents him from killing the Supreme Court (Judicial Branch) if they are about to make a ruling he dislikes? And then when the Congress (Legislative branch) goes to impeach him what prevents him from killing them all as well? He is immune from prosecution right? And tada we have a king/dictator.

Check out the Ruling by the court, it's interesting.

And one last thing. Indicting someone is not convicting him. First you have to get the crime and evidence through a judge. Then, the federal government and nearly all states require unanimous juries in criminal cases (In fact I believe the Supreme Court recently said the US Constitution required unanimous juries in all state criminal cases). Imagine what it would take to get usually 12 people drawn by random to unanimously vote to convict a President. And I've sat on two juries. From my perspective, the jurors are diligent and try to follow the rules the Judge sets out on the Law, going through each element of the law carefully before rendering a verdict. Then lastly, the President would have the option of appealing the conviction. The appeals court probably up to the Supreme court could weigh in.

DeepSight:


Didnt Fox rid itself of Tucker the racist Carlson a while ago?

Yeah, I think Putin hired him for his disinformation skills that cost Fox nearly 1 billion dollars.

IjeBos:


Yeah, I think Putin hired him for his disinformation skills that cost Fox nearly 1 billion dollars.

So his Russia gig is real? Isn't it odd after all said and done to go and work for Putin?

DeepSight:


A pardon, even if controversial, is altogether different from a claim of presidential immunity.

Nixon crime was not done under presidential authority.

DeepSight:


So his Russia gig is real? Isn't it odd after all said and done to go and work for Putin?

I was joking somewhat. He claims he's a journalist and there for journalistic purposes.. interview Putin. But.. I think he's grifting at the US's expense. The whole conservative love for Putin is odd.

basilico:


Nixon crime was not done under presidential authority.

What an odd statement. So what crime is it permitted to commit "under presidential authority?"

PS: The Watergate Scandal which was Nixon's downfall involved wrongful acts done as president - thus what one may call abuse of office.

IjeBos:


I was joking somewhat.

Aha.

Thought I'd add some context to this immunity debate.
This was Trump before he found religion on immunity.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-has-accused-numerous-political-rivals-crimes-including-joe-biden-barack-obama-1537922

IjeBos:


Nothing has changed in terms of the law. In fact if you remember, Trump said Obama should be indicted while Trump was president (remember the "he spied on my campaign" bit). It's peculiar he's changed his tune years later.. actually it's not peculiar, it's Trump.

But the foundation of the US government is the concept of check and balances. That each branch can be checked by the other 2. Now say the court found that the President (Executive Branch) is immune to prosecution. What prevents him from killing the Supreme Court (Judicial Branch) if they are about to make a ruling he dislikes? And then when the Congress (Legislative branch) goes to impeach him what prevents him from killing them all as well? He is immune from prosecution right? And tada we have a king/dictator.

Check out the Ruling by the court, it's interesting.

And one last thing. Indicting someone is not convicting him. First you have to get the crime and evidence through a judge. Then, the federal government and nearly all states require unanimous juries in criminal cases (In fact I believe the Supreme Court recently said the US Constitution required unanimous juries in all state criminal cases). Imagine what it would take to get usually 12 people drawn by random to unanimously vote to convict a President. And I've sat on two juries. From my perspective, the jurors are diligent and try to follow the rules the Judge sets out on the Law, going through each element of the law carefully before rendering a verdict. Then lastly, the President would have the option of appealing the conviction. The appeals court probably up to the Supreme court could weigh in.

True they were trending Obamagate and demanding Obama should be tried but today they remember presidential immunity

DeepSight:


What an odd statement. So what crime is it permitted to commit "under presidential authority?"

PS: The Watergate Scandal which was Nixon's downfall involved wrongful acts done as president - thus what one may call abuse of office.

I would say Nixon was the president acting on party interests
Obama acting as president ordered the murder of US citizens while abroad in a nation not at war.

On his first day in office Biden threw the borders wide open.
There has been enemy infiltration, massive child trafficking, and fentanyl deaths.
Joe has thus aided the nations enemies and should be charged with recklessly endangering the citizens. He can be charged for his actions leading to increased human and drug trafficking .
Why wait until he is out, so that his current 'immunity' lapses?

basilico:


I would say Nixon was the president acting on party interests
Obama acting as president ordered the murder of US citizens while abroad in a nation not at war.

Chief: understand this - anything that is criminal is both impeachable and prosecutable, president or no.

DeepSight:


Chief: understand this - anything that is criminal is both impeachable and prosecutable, president or no.

There is nuance to this