FRANCISTOWN:

Waking up is guaranteed. It's a normal thing.
Anyone who doesn't wake up must have suffered an absurdity.

If the bolded can happen, then waking up is not guaranteed.

And yes , nothing in the life of humans is guaranteed. We don't know it all

LordReed:


Nope, I am telling you that the probability is never zero.

I understand, but for the sake of this argument. They are nullified because they are not normal. Or is sickness a normal thing?

triplechoice:

If the bolded can happen, then waking up is not guaranteed.

And yes , nothing in the life of humans is guaranteed. We don't know it all

Lemme ask you a question.
The main gate leading to your compound. Is there a guarantee that it cannot fly?

FRANCISTOWN:

Lemme ask you a question.
The main gate leading to your compound. Is there a guarantee that it cannot fly?

We're talking about what we know about the human experience and not a gate, an inanimate object.

FRANCISTOWN:

I understand, but for the sake of this argument. They are nullified because they are not normal. Or is sickness a normal thing?

Being sick is not normal, getting sick is normal. There is no human being who has never gotten sick. Getting sick is a normal part of the human experience. Being sick on the other hand is a deviation from the normal functioning of the body.

triplechoice:



We're talking about what we know about the human experience and not a gate, an inanimate object.

I was wondering since you said nothing is guaranteed.

LordReed:


Being sick is not normal, getting sick is normal. There is no human being who has never gotten sick. Getting sick is a normal part of the human experience. Being sick on the other hand is a deviation from the normal functioning of the body.

Exactly! Getting sick is normal because there is no one who has never gotten sick.

What happens when the person stays being sick after the administration of treatment? It becomes abnormal right?

How many people have slept and not wake that we begin to consider dying while asleep a normal thing?

FRANCISTOWN:


I'm an atheist but I get faith die.

What does your faith rest on?

LordReed:


Nope, I am telling you that the probability is never zero.

It is statistically not significant.

triplechoice:


What does your faith rest on?

Myself

FRANCISTOWN:

I was wondering since you said nothing is guaranteed.

Why don't you like to read me before replying?
I said nothing is guaranteed in the life of a human being. That's what I said.

FRANCISTOWN:

Myself

What do you know about yourself to get you that faith?

triplechoice:


Why don't you like to read me before replying?
I said nothing is guaranteed in the life of a human being. That's what I said.

Is anything guaranteed in the existence of other things except humans then?

triplechoice:


What do you know about yourself to get you that faith?

What I know about myself is of no importance to you. Myself is myself and I'm responsible for myself. At the end of the day, whatever I think of myself is my own cup of tea

FRANCISTOWN:

Exactly! Getting sick is normal because there is no one who has never gotten sick.

What happens when the person stays being sick after the administration of treatment? It becomes abnormal right?

How many people have slept and not wake that we begin to consider dying while asleep a normal thing?

FRANCISTOWN:

It is statistically not significant.

I never said dying in your sleep is normal. We were talking of there being a guarantee you will wake up and walk to your bathroom tomorrow morning. Dying in your sleep is not the only thing that could prevent that from happening.

It is statistically significant enough to be a concern amongst certain portions of the population. You not being in any of the groups doesn't negate the concern.

FRANCISTOWN:


Is anything guaranteed in the existence of other things except humans then?

It would help if you just focus on the main thing.

There are enough evidences that confirms waking up is not a guarantee for every human being who goes to sleep at night.

But in the sciences, there are experiments that will surely produce guaranteed results every time without fail.

So what you're talking about to create confusion ?

FRANCISTOWN:

What I know about myself is of no importance to you. Myself is myself and I'm responsible for myself. At the end of the day, whatever I think of myself is my own cup of tea

What you know about yourself is really of no importance to me. But as an atheist discussing faith on an open forum , your boast about it will make more sense if it's supported by something reasonable at least .Blind faith is for religious fanatics which you're not.

You seem to forget that your atheistic world view greatly relies on the sciences for meaning.

And scientists everywhere are saying that inspite of all the things they know about the human being, yourself included, there's much more they still cannot figure out and so nothing is guaranteed .

Or is it that you subscribe to some kind of spirituality which you're unwilling to admit?

Atheists are known to depend on scientific evidence, and not what they personally think, in making definite statements about anything.

triplechoice:


What you know about yourself is really of no importance to me. But as an atheist discussing faith on an open forum , your boast about it will make more sense if it's supported by something reasonable at least .Blind faith is for religious fanatics which you're not.

You seem to forget that your atheistic world view greatly relies on the sciences for meaning.

And scientists everywhere are saying that inspite of all the things they know about the human being, yourself included, there's much more they still cannot figure out and so nothing is guaranteed .

Or is it that you subscribe to some kind of spirituality which you're unwilling to admit?

Atheists are known to depend on scientific evidence, and not what they personally think, in making definite statements about anything.

Mind you. Not all atheists regard science to be the final authority.

Therefore, you take what is reasonable with proofs and you remain neutral about the rest.

Whatever science says is basically it's cup of tea, though I'm a scientist. But I don't let what I don't know overwhelm what I know.

I read some scientific notes and I go like "No No! This is bull crap" while I read some and I'm totally flabbergasted.

Lemme gist you.
Before the Meiji era in the ancient nation of Japan. There was a very great swordman. He was so good that he became a myth. There had never been anyone like him.
All the swordmen far and wide heard about him and came to challenge him to a battle.
He won everyone of them.

When he was asked how he was able to defeat everyone. They were expecting a grand answer or a boast about how he had practiced more or more talented. But he said. The reason he was able to defeat them all was because none of them knew their own individual weaknesses, and those who knew refused to acknowledge them.
Then he said "In any battle, a great swordman must first acknowledge his own weakness and the strength of his opponents".

That's the way I live my life. I do not deceive myself. I understand my own strengths and I acknowledge my own weaknesses. That's the faith I have in myself and not some spirituality nonsense.

LordReed:


I never said dying in your sleep is normal. We were talking of there being a guarantee you will wake up and walk to your bathroom tomorrow morning. Dying in your sleep is not the only thing that could prevent that from happening.

It is statistically significant enough to be a concern amongst certain portions of the population. You not being in any of the groups doesn't negate the concern.

The probability that it will happen is less than 0.0001, it is a null hypothesis and insignificant in the grand significance level

FRANCISTOWN:

The probability that it will happen is less than 0.0001, it is a null hypothesis and insignificant in the grand significance level

How did you arrive at that figure?

How is it a null hypothesis?

Your existence is insignificant in the grand significance level so why should we listen to anything you have to say?

LordReed:


How did you arrive at that figure?

How is it a null hypothesis?

Your existence is insignificant in the grand significance level so why should we listen to anything you have to say?

Ha! I FRANCISTOWN?
My existence dey significant die.

FRANCISTOWN:

Mind you. Not all atheists regard science to be the final authority.

Therefore, you take what is reasonable with proofs and you remain neutral about the rest.

Whatever science says is basically it's cup of tea, though I'm a scientist. But I don't let what I don't know overwhelm what I know.

I read some scientific notes and I go like "No No! This is bull crap" while I read some and I'm totally flabbergasted.

Lemme gist you.
Before the Meiji era in the ancient nation of Japan. There was a very great swordman. He was so good that he became a myth. There had never been anyone like him.
All the swordmen far and wide heard about him and came to challenge him to a battle.
He won everyone of them.

When he was asked how he was able to defeat everyone. They were expecting a grand answer or a boast about how he had practiced more or more talented. But he said. The reason he was able to defeat them all was because none of them knew their own individual weaknesses, and those who knew refused to acknowledge them.
Then he said "In any battle, a great swordman must first acknowledge his own weakness and the strength of his opponents".

That's the way I live my life. I do not deceive myself. I understand my own strengths and I acknowledge my own weaknesses. That's the faith I have in myself and not some spirituality nonsense.

The bolded has confirmed what I said about you. You practiced some form of spirituality even though you don't want to recognise it has such. Spirituality doesn't mean what you think.

There are different types of spirituality and the one that you practiced is called individualistic spirituality which has helped you to understand your own strength and acknowledge your weaknesses..

There' are truths about the human being and the world we live in which are yet to be explained scientifically. These unexplained body of truth is what is referred to as spiritual knowledge different from religious knowledge..

I think we both subscribe to the same thing , individualistic spirituality

FRANCISTOWN:


Ha! I FRANCISTOWN?
My existence dey significant die.

How?

triplechoice:


The bolded has confirmed what I said about you. You practiced some form of spirituality even though you don't want to recognise it has such. Spirituality doesn't mean what you think.

There are different types of spirituality and the one that you practiced is called individualistic spirituality which has helped you to understand your own strength and acknowledge your weaknesses..

There' are truths about the human being and the world we live in which are yet to be explained scientifically. These unexplained body of truth is what is referred to as spiritual knowledge different from religious knowledge..

I think we both subscribe to the same thing , individualistic spirituality

Nope! I identity myself with atheism, strictly apatheism.
I'm not affiliated to anything spirituality at all.
Spiritual in intellectual? Yes.
But spiritual in a kind of self religion? Hell No.

I do not have a soul, I do not have a spirit.

FRANCISTOWN:

Nope! I identity myself with atheism, strictly apatheism.
I'm not affiliated to anything spirituality at all.
Spiritual in intellectual? Yes.
But spiritual in a kind of self religion? Hell No.

I do not have a soul, I do not have a spirit.

Spirituality is not self religion. Religion is based on invented truths whiich believers are made to accept without questioning.

And not everyone who practices spirituality agrees to the concept of soul. You have the freedom to choose what you want to accept and reject what you want to reject

Atheism doesn't teach you any truth. It's a position that's opposed to theism . That's all. Whatever truth you acquire about yourself and the world around you, that's not taught in regular schools ,is what's referred to as spiritual knowledge.

It's your choice whatever you agree to call such knowledge or whatever labe youl to decide to give yourself.

FxMasterz:

You don't need to agree if it's not yet your reality. But I can't deny my reality. And, on the basis of that, I know, and I know that God exists. Atheists appear more foolish when they want to explain someone else's reality away and even call it a lie. They do this most of the time. I can also call an atheist a liar for saying he has never experienced God or the supernatural.

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Well said Fx. Couldn't have said it better. But as the totally honest and totally unbiased umpire I am, how would you reply atheists who say this:
There are also those who, on the basis of their reality, are 100% sure you are going to the hottest part of hell because, not only don’t you worship cow as they do, you actually eat cow! You eat their god! Same god that saw them through Covid and has kept them alive all these centuries. You heartlessly kill him and eat him!

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LordReed:


Kudos on your responses. You are doing a bang-up job. Only a small pendantic addition to this, it is actually traits that don't hinder reproduction that carry forward that is why some detrimental traits still survive because though detrimental they do not hinder reproduction. Eg flat feet, baldness, bad eye sight, etc.

I don't have to look beyond myself to know natural selection is not the answer: EVERYTHING that is good for my health and longevity, I hate to do. And things that are bad for my health and longevity, I love to do. Then there are the aforementioned hymen, appendix, etc

*Continuing response to JessicaRabbit.

I don't know why you are arguing against the obvious.

Simple: anything an atheists can do or have, a religionist can also do or have PLUS also possess faith in God

Simple: the way our reality is set up it is more beneficial to believe in God than not. Example: two fighters equally matched but one believes he can't lose because God is with him. Or old people who live alone but one has God. Or people who are sick - placebo. Or affirmations (prayers). All these are of proven benefits.

Simple: the way our society is set up, it is more beneficial to be a religionist

Simple: by what individuals have internalized, it is more beneficial to be perceived a devout, say, Christian than an atheist. Even you yourself know which one you'd feel safer with, or you'd feel won't cheat you.

You can't muddy any of it up by citing complexity - everything is "all things being equal" or you can't have a discussion. Or by citing subjectivity - life itself is subjective!

PoliteActivist:


I don't have to look beyond myself to know natural selection is not the answer: EVERYTHING that is good for my health and longevity, I hate to do. And things that are bad for my health and longevity, I love to do. Then there are the aforementioned hymen, appendix, etc

Where in natural selection does it suggest that it is always beneficial impulses that carry forward?

Your failure to understand what the theory of evolution by natural selection says is yours to remedy.

FRANCISTOWN:


Want means that you are even interested in the light at the end of the tunnel. Then you hope there is really a light. If you do not want/need the light at the end of the tunnel. Even if there is a 1000watts of incandescent lamp , you will gladly remain in the dark. Actually, some people love the dark. I personally enjoy the dark. I love darkness.

Whatever you hope for is something you either want or need. If you are hungry and you need food, will you hope to not get food?

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Try again
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LordReed:


I am an Igtheist actually but that is just a class of atheist.

Until I saw what you wrote I have never heard an atheist say they don't have hope, especially if they are not nihilistic. I don’t really see nihilists so maybe that's why.

That there are atheists that say hope is stupid does not make it general. Once again the only thing you can say that applies to atheists as a group is they do not believe in a God. You need to get that parked very well in your head.

Keep fooling yourself