budaatum:


Triple, I am an atheist, yet I can agree with the bold depending on context.

Say, I were to believe and claim to worship God, but can not be bothered to love my neighbour because my neighbour does not believe what I believe or has a different point of view to mine, it could be said that my belief in God lacks spirit and is therefore intangible..

Just throwing it out there that one can worship God in tangible spirit, as by thy fruits suggest.

Yes ,it will lack it

StillDtruth:


Actually, their love for evil and their hatred for God is what prevents them from immediately seeing that they are been deceived with Lies.

John 3:20 describes what happens to people who love evil.

20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light

Atheism is a spiritual disease: an infection that take deliverance from strong demons out of their lives.
It starts with the kind of question to EVE and conclude with "God does not Exist"

budaatum:


TenQ, I agree with you that A more precise definition would be that Tangible things are anything that has mass or dimension or energy or can change state with time.

In fact, Quine, whom I will post at the end, is agreeing with you, and if I tell you a secret, my Lord and I have almost never disagreed and he agrees with you too.
And just so it's not I'm lying, first person to find otherwise my Lord will make me pay 10k. Just quote link.

I am glad that we are coming to a consensus on this.

budaatum:

Unfortunately. There are no precise definition of words, or at least we human beings are not normally intelligent enough or know enough that the definition we give a word is more precise than any other. It's probably why there are so many dictionaries. Everyone writes their own because we do not agree on precision.

Personally? I think it is really rather absurd (gibberish, even), to claim one precisely defines any word with very complex and imprecise words like "mass or dimension or energy or can change state with time". These are words that have had so many meanings over the history of time, and that keep evolving, that precision just eludes them completely, just as that of tangible has and does.

Anyway, below is Quine. The entire article itself is revealing, and moreso the references.

I agree that words are imprecise at best. This is probably why it is better to adopt the scientific wordview because they are more precise than the simple dictionary terms.
Scientific terms will usually take into consideration for definition things that are beyond the view of natural senses to comprehend.

TenQ:

Number block is the proof of mathematics!?

Don't you have shame!?


See how all of you are behaving like children caught in a lie!?

Did you go to school? Show me proof you went to school. Don't show me a certificate o, show me you went to school. That's how nutso you sound. Completely nutso. Whatever cave you are living in leave there and go meet people before you run stark raving mad.

budaatum:

One thing I never do is post credentials as a reason for knowledge. If I would, the relevant ones to this topic would be B.Eng Electronics and Communications, London. In my days we were 'programming' in COBOL and C and sometimes directly in machine code, so God help you if your one was in the zero's place. I would love my knowledge of philosophy and how to think and reason to hold sway here too.

But the n, you should understand that data in a storage device is meaningless if it is not in the expected format. When a CD or HDD is written with 10 GB of Data, the truth of the matter is that NOTHING of a physical nature increases on the HDD. Similarly, when a 30 TB HDD is wiped clean of Data, nothing DECREASES on the HDD.

budaatum:

When you program in C/Cpp, Python, you are "touching" it. If you want to debug your program, you will remove it from the machine and "touch" it to do so. So why would you insist we go looking for the software inside the machine despite some of us telling you what we would do? Would you tell us to go look for electricity inside the machine from the machine's point of view also and without using a multimeter?

I think you are seeing software as the High Level Language written on the VDU: but this is not true. The Software is the FINAL Formatted Sequence of Binary or Hexadecimal Code that is written in the CPU or HDD.

budaatum:

And we are saying that you don't impose a point of view on anyone! It's why we keep informing you that we can take the software out of the machine's point of view and place it in our own point of view so we can feel and touch and see it since we don't share senses with a machine and therefore feel and touch things differently.

The imposition of a point of view is how religion captivates it's audience. And you ought to by now know that atheists do not allow themselves to be captivated so.

Read some of my posts on the Garden of Eden. It's all about a point of view that differs to the generally accepted point of view, which you and I should perhaps discuss in its own right.

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/7351620/story-adam-eve-makes-sense#117003826

I think my question was very specific and demands that the answers be with respect to the point of view of the Machine

Check My Questions again: everything was with respect to what happens WITHIN the Computer

3. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" by any physical means?
4. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?
5. Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?

So you can understand when I insisted on what happens from the point of view of the Computer and not the programmer

triplechoice:
Yes ,it will lack it

And will it be tangible and have tangibility if I love my neighbour, and not insult those who insult me, and don't kill and don't covet control over my neighbours mind nor rob them of their point of view, my God, in Spirit and essence and everything anyone can choose to describe it, is tangible, or at least must be tangible to me because I am making my God real and tangible to my very self?

P.s. I intentionally made it gibberish, do note.

Imagine being told my infinitely massed God is not tangible because it does not have dimensions despite having the energy to create the entire universe, and it does change state with time, or at least understanding of it must.

Can you see me joke of talking to an ant?

triplechoice:
Haba. Calm down. I said I'm not an atheist. You keep ignoring this, why?

If you won't explain it ,why are you here? This thread is about spirits not computer softwares. There's no where it's written down that to understand spirit you must know what's a software. You made that up yourself ,and it's a very dishonest way of escaping from doing what you should do.

Using your logic,I can also affirm that if you can't comprehend what's oxygen in biology you can't understand what's spirit. Spirit is not intangible as you think. It depends on how it manifest,and there 're different manifestations of spirit. Spirit from a material point of view, simply means energy.

If you're not going to discuss spirit,then forget it and thanks for your time and the insults too.

You just can't assume that another person can't make sense of what you haven't even started to discuss or explain .I can also assume you don't really know your subject very well hence you're afraid to discuss it so your incompetency is not fully exposed.

So , who are you for everything about you reeks of Atheism!
Of course there are many flavours of Atheism: for me , if you act as an Atheist, you must be an atheist.

If you can bother with going through my old threads, you will see me describe what a spirit is. Unfortunately, these are things atheists will scorn at thoughtlessly.

It is not worth it.

My strategy of explaining any spiritual things to an atheist is to first find a similar physical things that they can understand and then use it as a pivot to explain the spiritual. If they cannot comprehend the physical, there is no point explaining the spiritual.

Tell me:'
Do you think that a person who holds a position that ANYTHING that is not Tangible is FICTICIOUS will understand what a spirit is?

triplechoice:
The irony.

It is the truth: this is why MOST atheists do not have adverse position to Gender fluidity

LordReed:


Did you go to school? Show me proof you went to school. Don't show me a certificate o, show me you went to school. That's how nutso you sound. Completely nutso. Whatever cave you are living in leave there and go meet people before you run stark raving mad.

With Atheistic voice I ask: Show me mathematics?
I want to touch it!
How much does it weigh?

triplechoice:
And you can't see that you're commiting evil by judging and condemning others. What happens to judgement is for God and thou shall not judge?

Nope! No evil.

That passage Said exactly what i told you, which is as "you judge and convict others eg me, your girlfriend, wife, houseboy, is the same way that judges and convicts you.

So, no evil.

TenQ:

Atheism is a spiritual disease: an infection that take deliverance from strong demons out of their lives.
It starts with the kind of question to EVE and conclude with "God does not Exist"

I dont think so.

Atheism is just the final point when a man real eyeses that God has cut him off and rejected him and is never gonna have anything to with him again. So they are just publicly rejecting and making noise about it in their lamentations and pains.

TenQ:

But the n, you should understand that data in a storage device is meaningless if it is not in the expected format.

With this, you frustrate me.

We agreed, software for pc will not work in Android and Mac!

We agreed, Sign language is gibberish to computer!

And now you start your response with, "you should understand" as if I don't!

Please, TenQ, try to see the point of view of others instead of your own alone.

TenQ:
When a CD or HDD is written with 10 GB of Data, the truth of the matter is that NOTHING of a physical nature increases on the HDD.

Ergo, software lacks mass.

TenQ:
The Software is the FINAL Formatted Sequence of Binary or Hexadecimal Code that is written in the CPU or HDD.

That is what the software is to you, and from your point of view.

A person who sat down and coded every single line of the software might choose to look from a different point of view.

TenQ:
I think my question was very specific and demands that the answers be with respect to the point of view of the Machine

What you do not seem to understand is that you do not have the authority to demand what point of view I choose to respect, and that just really amuses me.

Why would I be an atheist, precisely defined as a person who refuses to only accept the point of view of the gods, now choose to worship the point of view of TenQ, to put it bluntly it I may?

Tell me. Is the person coding the software not writing the software, and is their final written code not the software too or must they too only see the machine's point of view?

budaatum:

With this, you frustrate me.

We agreed, software for pc will not work in Android and Mac!

We agreed, Sign language is gibberish to computer!

And now you start your response with, "you should understand" as if I don't!

Please, TenQ, try to see the point of view of others instead of your own alone.


Ergo, software lacks mass.


That is what the software is to you, and from your point of view.

A person who sat down and coded every single line of the software might choose to look from a different point of view.



What you do not seem to understand is that you do not have the authority to demand what point of view I choose to respect, and that just really amuses me.

Why would I be an atheist, precisely defined as a person who refuses to only accept the point of view of the gods, now choose to worship the point of view of TenQ, to put it bluntly it I may?

Tell me. Is the person coding the software not writing the software, and is their final written code not the software too or must they too only see the machine's point of view?

I asked questions that were specific: Answers should fall in line with my Question !

This is a simple issue.
After answering my Question, you may pose your own Question and we will answer it according to how you have formatted it.

StillDtruth:


I dont think so.

Atheism is just the final point when a man real eyeses that God has cut him off and rejected him and is never gonna have anything to with him again. So they are just publicly rejecting and making noise about it in their lamentations and pains.

It is spiritual because Logic never makes sense to them.

Can Matter come out of Nothing?
Can Order come out of Randomness?

To the Atheists, YES!

TenQ:

I asked questions that were specific: Answers should fall in line with my Question !

But who are you? Our teacher? Our examiner? Are we to receive marks from you if we give you the specific answer that fall in your line?

And what if we have a better answer, a more nuanced and considered answer, must we abandon it and dumb down?

TenQ:

This is a simple issue.
After answering my Question, you may pose your own Question and we will answer it according to how you have formatted it.

Go back through the thread TenQ, and you will see many instances where we posed our own question how we formatted it but you refused to see it not to talk of answer any one of them, so it cannot obviously be as simple as you say it is now, can it?

TenQ:

Can Matter come out of Nothing?

Yes! See the nothing

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

TenQ:
Can Order come out of Randomness?

Yes. See the beginning of the ordering of the randomness below.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

TenQ:
To the Atheists, YES!

Like buda. Yes!

StillDtruth:


I dont think so.

Atheism is just the final point when a man real eyeses that God has cut him off and rejected him and is never gonna have anything to with him again.

Stop lying that you think!

Everyone should know that God does not "cut him off and rejected him and is never gonna have anything to with him again" to anybody.

budaatum:

Yes! See the nothing

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


Yes. See the beginning of the ordering of the randomness below.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.


Like buda. Yes!

Thanks for showing that the Primary mover of these impossibilities is a Primary mover (God)
Unfortunately,
To the Atheists: these things spontaneously happens without a Primary Mover (God)

Atoms can spontaneously form themselves
Entropy can be reversed without external Energy
Life can just come out from atoms and molecules

budaatum:


But who are you? Our teacher? Our examiner? Are we to receive marks from you if we give you the specific answer that fall in your line?

And what if we have a better answer, a more nuanced and considered answer, must we abandon it and dumb down?



Go back through the thread TenQ, and you will see many instances where we posed our own question how we formatted it but you refused to see it not to talk of answer any one of them, so it cannot obviously be as simple as you say it is now, can it?

TenQ set his question!
If you don't know the answer, don't ascribe the answers to the question I gvae you with your answers to your own question.

TenQ:

TenQ set his question!
If you don't know the answer, don't ascribe the answers to the question I gvae you with your answers to your own question.

We are telling you that the answer you ascribe to your own question is from only your one point of view, and that there are other points of view, and that you can't just close your eyes and claim only your point of view is the only point of view, and that telling us to only consider a thing from your point of view is like asking us to look with your own eyes which might not even work as good as ones own eyes.

Or do you live on a planet where the blind see for those with eyes?

TenQ:

Atheism is a spiritual disease: an infection that take deliverance from strong demons out of their lives.
It starts with the kind of question to EVE and conclude with "God does not Exist"

I've felt all along that this is the rub, and I am finally glad you confess.

Eve asked, will I die if I eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that Adam had told her they should not eat for on the day that she ate she would surely die, by opening her eyes to see that it was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, so she took some and ate it and gave some to her dumb believing husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Yes, TenQ. The logical consequence of using one's heart and soul and mind to ask and knock and seek is to question the gods, the sources of all Wisdom, from all points of views imaginable.

budaatum:


I've felt all along that this is the rub, and I am finally glad you confess.

Eve asked, will I die if I eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that Adam had told her they should not eat for on the day that she ate she would surely die, by opening her eyes to see that it was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, so she took some and ate it and gave some to her dumb believing husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Yes, TenQ. The logical consequence of using one's heart and soul and mind to ask and knock and seek is to question the gods, the sources of all Wisdom, from all points of views imaginable.

I wish death was just physical: but You will NOT die became a LIE.
Adam and Eve not only died Spiritually, they also eventually died Physically!
A classic case of 419 that wiped out everything given to Adam and Eve!

budaatum:


We are telling you that the answer you ascribe to your own question is from only your one point of view, and that there are other points of view, and that you can't just close your eyes and claim only your point of view is the only point of view, and that telling us to only consider a thing from your point of view is like asking us to look with your own eyes which might not even work as good as ones own eyes.

Or do you live on a planet where the blind see for those with eyes?

What is difficult with answering my questions?

Can you not ask your own question too?
Why must you answer a question I never asked you and attribute it to be the answer to my Questions : doesn't this make sense to you?

TenQ:

What is difficult with answering my questions?

I did answer your questions, TenQ. And making out I didn't is not what anyone who reads the very tangible evidence that is available in this thread would conclude.

You just did not like my answers because they were from numerous points of view, be honest!

TenQ:

Why must you answer a question I never asked you and attribute it to be the answer to my Questions : doesn't this make sense to you?

Are you suggesting that I don't understand the questions you asked me and that I answered extensively?

Or is it that you don't understand my answers.

budaatum:

I did answer your questions, TenQ. And making out I didn't is not what anyone who reads the very tangible evidence that is available in this thread would conclude.

You just did not like my answers because they were from numerous points of view, be honest!


Are you suggesting that I don't understand the questions you asked me and that I answered extensively?

Or is it that you don't understand my answers.

You answered your own questions not my questions anmd worse of all, you were attributing your answers to my questions.

Most of the answers to my question is YES or NO; I doubt if there was once where you clearly stated such answers.




I think my question was very specific and demands that the answers be with respect to the point of view of the Machine

Check My Questions again: everything was with respect to what happens WITHIN the Computer


1. Is a software within a machine REAL or not?
2. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" by any physical means?
3. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" by any physical means?
4. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist?
5. Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software?


Except for Question 5, all the questions has answers that were YES or NO !

TenQ:

Most of the answers to my question is YES or NO; I doubt if there was once where you clearly stated such answers.


Except for Question 5, all the questions has answers that were YES or NO !

This is narrowness TenQ, born of one point of view.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-ended_question

This, in fact, better describes some of your questions!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_question

TenQ:

Just like I don't like the modern definition of Gender, I don't like the modern definition of Atheism.


Atheism mean: Without Deity (except you disagree with this definition).

Then you may let us have your own preferred definition and let us dissect it.


Like I have halped you break down a common misconception that Atheism is Lack of Belief in Any Deity

What is your own definition?

The definition of atheism has never changed. Its either u didn't know it before or u r just plain ignorant.

TenQ:

Life is that which animates any biological collection of cells.

How can life be Tangible if it does Not have mass, nor dimension nor energy?

How do you quantify it?

It is tangible because we can see its effects on cells. We can appraise it by its effects on cells. We don't really need to touch life. So its tangible

budaatum:


This is narrowness TenQ, born of one point of view.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-ended_question

Were you born in March?
is different from
Which month of the year were you born?

My questions require just plain YES orNO!

budaatum:
This, in fact, better describes some of your questions!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_question

My Questions were obviously not even leading Questions!

jaephoenix:

The definition of atheism has never changed. Its either u didn't know it before or u r just plain ignorant.

Do your concur that you Lack a belief in a Diety?