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Most of the aspects of Nigerian marriage culture that are taught and embraced in Churches do not align with Biblical principles.

One generation of pastors agrees on certain teachings, passes them on to the next generation, and this cycle continues. As a result, these teachings become ingrained in the culture, and subsequent generations adhere to them without questioning their validity.

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Are you saying there are biblical verses in support of feminism? If so, please share.

Personally, if educated woman Mary had not educated her son Jesus, he would have spent his life nailing wood. And if woman Eve had not used her senses to test for herself if knowledge killed, Adam would have remained a naked ignorant slave in Eden.

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budaatum:
Are you saying there are biblical verses in support of feminism? If so, please share.

Personally, if educated woman Mary had not educated her son Jesus, he would have spent his life nailing wood. And if woman Eve had not used her senses to test for herself if knowledge killed, Adam would have remained a naked ignorant slave in Eden.

First, read through the Bible to understand why men have authority over women. While the answer is not directly related to my main discoveries, it will expand your understanding of this subject.

I asked you to read the Bible because the true answer is not the one commonly known to everyone.

Merry100:
First, read through the Bible to understand why men have authority over women. While the answer is not directly related to my main discoveries, it will expand your understanding of this subject.

I asked you to read the Bible because the true answer is not the one commonly known to everyone.

Those who read only one book die of ignorance! So I will suggest you expand your reading.

The only reason the Bible puts authority in men over women is because pigs wrote it to deceive women who actually do have authority over men.

Think of it like reprogramming, or the introduction of an alternative reality, since it is initially written that "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them".

But I guess we haven't yet evolved to being able to critically read what we read, and just read into it what we've been told to believe before we actually read it ourselves, or how else would a person with eyes claim Adam created from mud is in God's image.

budaatum:
Those who read only one book die of ignorance! So I will suggest you expand your reading.

The only reason the Bible puts authority in men over women is because pigs wrote it to deceive women who actually do have authority over men.

Think of it like reprogramming, or the introduction of an alternative reality, since it is initially written that "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them".

But I guess we haven't yet evolved to being able to critically read what we read, and just read into it what we've been told to believe before we actually read it ourselves, or how else would a person with eyes claim Adam created from mud is in God's image.

The curse alone proves that man and woman were created equal from the beginning.

Genesis 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Man having authority over woman was not the actual plan of God, it was simply a curse.

Merry100:
The curse alone proves that man and woman were created equal from the beginning.

Genesis 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Man having authority over woman was not the actual plan of God, it was simply a curse.

That's what a man will write to program women into submission. Smart women know men come from between their thighs and must suck breast to develop a brain or they will surely die.

One quote from one book does not prove anything to those who can use their own heart and soul and mind and brain in their own head to seek for knowledge and understanding.

Merry100:
The curse alone proves that man and woman were created equal from the beginning.

Genesis 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Man having authority over woman was not the actual plan of God, it was simply a curse.

Have you even read what came about that "curse" in Gen 3:16. If man and woman are equal, then why do they have different roles with woman created to be helper for a man given that man was not created for woman but woman for man.
Then answer this question pre fall, if Adam never had authority over Eve as you claimed pre-fall.
1. Why was Adam created before Eve?
2. Why did Adam have a protective role over Eve in the garden.
3. Why did Adam had a teaching role to Eve in the garden.
4. Why did Adam name Eve if Eve didn't belong to him to rule and have authority over her?
5. Why did God went to Adam first after both he and Eve sinned even though Eve sinned first.
6. Why did God rebuke Adam for listening to Eve.

Man having authority over woman was entirely the plan of God before the fall. The hierarchy has always been God->Man->Woman->Children before and after the fall.

The concept of a husband's authority and a wife's submission was not introduced as a consequence of the fall, as some like you want to interpret Genesis 3:16. Instead, this hierarchical relationship was part of God's original created order but became distorted by the fall. Like all aspects of creation, the relationship between husband and wife is now vulnerable to corruption due to sin. However, the hierarchy between the sexes originates from creation, not the fall, and is intended to be embraced as part of God's good design, not rejected.

budaatum:
That's what a man will write to program women into submission. Smart women know men come from between their thighs and must suck breast to develop a brain or they will surely die.

One quote from one book does not prove anything to those who can use their own heart and soul and mind and brain in their own head to seek for knowledge and understanding.

The best way to find a solution to a problem is to understand its actual cause. The answer serves as a foundation that leads to discoveries supporting the idea that God is in favour of feminism.

I watched a woman suffer and ultimately die from ignorance, and I wish I had known better then.

People need the right information; several women have died due to ignorance and more will continue to die if the right information is not made available.

Although I have the funds and invested resources, I feel that there is a special force limiting my ability to share my discoveries on various media channels.

GreatAchiever1:
Have you even read what came about that "curse" in Gen 3:16. If man and woman are equal, then why do they have different roles with woman created to be helper for a man given that man was not created for woman but woman for man.
Then answer this question pre fall, if Adam never had authority over Eve as you claimed pre-fall.
1. Why was Adam created before Eve?
2. Why did Adam have a protective role over Eve in the garden.
3. Why did Adam had a teaching role to Eve in the garden.
4. Why did Adam name Eve if Eve didn't belong to him to rule and have authority over her?
5. Why did God went to Adam first after both he and Eve sinned even though Eve sinned first.
6. Why did God rebuke Adam for listening to Eve.

Man having authority over woman was entirely the plan of God before the fall. The hierarchy has always been God->Man->Woman->Children before and after the fall.

The concept of a husband's authority and a wife's submission was not introduced as a consequence of the fall, as some like you want to interpret Genesis 3:16. Instead, this hierarchical relationship was part of God's original created order but became distorted by the fall. Like all aspects of creation, the relationship between husband and wife is now vulnerable to corruption due to sin. However, the hierarchy between the sexes originates from creation, not the fall, and is intended to be embraced as part of God's good design, not rejected.

1+1= Donut

Merry100:
The best way to find a solution to a problem is to understand its actual cause. The answer serves as a foundation that can lead to discoveries supporting the idea that God is in favour of feminism.

If you are talking cause, you would not be talking Bible, since Bible is not cause but later programming.

I don't know or care if God is in favour of feminism. What I do know is if not for the female, men would still be apes at best. The story where Eve used her brain to free Adam from ignorant naked slavery proves this point, as does educated Mary educating her son Jesus so he is not today known as the saviour of wood.

GreatAchiever1:
Have you even read what came about that "curse" in Gen 3:16. If man and woman are equal, then why do they have different roles with woman created to be helper for a man given that man was not created for woman but woman for man.

Have you not read Genesis 1 where both male and female are created equally in God's Image to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth"?

Or is it that you want to completely ignore that God "saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day", and then rested on the seventh day before creating from mud on the eight day the naked ignorant slave called Adam?

budaatum:
If you are talking cause, you would not be talking Bible, since Bible is not cause but later programming.

I don't know or care if God is in favour of feminism. What I do know is if not for the female, men would still be apes at best. The story where Eve used her brain to free Adam from ignorant naked slavery proves this point, as does educated Mary educating her son Jesus so he is not today known as the saviour of wood.

At times, rather than standing up for others, it's better to stoop down to their level in order to help them.

I don't think you have ever interacted with overly religious women; they worship their pastors preachings. They often validate and embrace their suffering, believing that they are doing the will of God. It doesn't matter to them if it could lead to their death, It is only the right information that can set them free.

Merry100:
At times, rather than standing up for others, it's better to stoop down to their level in order to help them.

I don't think you have truly interacted with overly religious women; they often validate and accept their suffering, believing that they are doing the will of God. It doesn't matter to them if it could lead to their death.

The "overly religious women" you mention are ignorant stupid women who would likely "accept their suffering, believing that they are doing the will of God" until their pig of a husband batters them to death.

But hey. If you want to stoop to pigs level, knock yourself out please.

budaatum:
Have you not read Genesis 1 where both male and female are created equally in God's Image to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth"?

Interesting that you added equally in that input. Yes, I agree you can say Male and female are in God's image because of them being humans but equally, nope. Except their eternal values then yes.
Now tell me, man created directly from dust to be God's image bearers and then woman made directly from man to be the glory of man, how would you then add equality to it?

Well, I do not deny that command was given to mankind, as well as to carry out the dominion mandate by marriage and reproduction.

Or is it that you want to completely ignore that God "saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day", and then rested on the seventh day before creating from mud on the eight day the naked ignorant slave called Adam?

I don't see how this relates to what was said by me.

Merry100:
1+1= Donut

What sort of nonsense reply is this. Infact, this is totally a waste of my time.

budaatum:
If you are talking cause, you would not be talking Bible, since Bible is not cause but later programming.

I don't know or care if God is in favour of feminism. What I do know is if not for the female, men would still be apes at best. The story where Eve used her brain to free Adam from ignorant naked slavery proves this point, as does educated Mary educating her son Jesus so he is not today known as the saviour of wood.

How you brought the theory of evolution into God's created order in Genesis clearly proves we are not talking about the same thing.

GreatAchiever1:
How you brought the theory of evolution into God's created order in Genesis clearly proves we are not talking about the same thing.

We are obviously not talking about the same thing since I obviously disagree with you who can't seem to understand that even God evolved from angry brimstone and fire, to gentle meek forgiving Jesus.

It is a very big book, you see. And most don't start at Bereshit and work themselves page by page to "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen"

budaatum:
The "overly religious women" you mention are ignorant stupid women who would likely "accept their suffering, believing that they are doing the will of God" until their pig of a husband batters them to death.

But hey. If you want to stoop to pigs level, knock yourself out please.

I am a Christian and hold my own personal convictions. While I won't force you to believe in God, I might just share my beliefs when I feel it's appropriate.

Try to be assertive and embrace our differences. We all have diverse beliefs and backgrounds. Let's respect and appreciate that diversity.

Refrain from dismissing others as foolish for their beliefs.

GreatAchiever1:
Interesting that you added equally in that input. Yes, I agree you can say Male and female are in God's image because of them being humans but equally, nope.

Read the instruction they were given to "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth", and please tell me it was not equally given to them.

GreatAchiever1:
Except their eternal values then yes. Now tell me, man created directly from dust to be God's image bearers and then woman made directly from man to be the glory of man, how would you then add equality to it?

Just a simple use of ones human senses shows it is the man that is created from inside the woman, but that aside.

Explain to me why you would accept being created from dust when you can easily choose to believe you are created in God's Image.

Is it that you'd rather be a naked ignorant slave in a tiny garden instead of Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth, or do you just not see the difference?

Merry100:
I am a Christian and hold my own personal convictions.

I am a book reader who has a brain and a mind, and care not for convictions if the book you says supports them don't.

If you respected personal convictions, you might not gave said the following "Most of the aspects of Nigerian marriage culture that are taught and embraced in Churches do not align with Biblical principles", which shows you have no respect for false personal convictions, and which I admire in you.

budaatum:
We are obviously not talking about the same thing since I obviously disagree with you who can't seem to understand that even God evolved from angry brimstone and fire, to gentle meek forgiving Jesus.

It is a very big book, you see. And most don't start at Bereshit and work themselves page by page to "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen"

Since we don't believe in the same truth, there is no need to explain further. And note, God did not evolve into whatever you think he did, have you read the Story of Ananias and Sapphira? Anyways, God is patient, merciful and just. Withholding his wrath on one hand and with the other calling us to repent, and come to him. And one day, both hands will drop, then it's game-over (too late).

GreatAchiever1:
Since we don't believe in the same truth, there is no need to explain further.

Only the ignorant believe. The smart and the wise seek the Kingdom of the Gods with all their heart and soul and mind and being so they may know and understand and be able to explain further instead of asking others to ignorantly stupidly believe them just like Adam did in Eden and became a naked ignorant slave until sensible Eve freed him.

As long as Feminism doesn't affect a woman to think that she's equal to a man then no ish, coz Holy Bible said the Man is the head and leader

Merry100:
The curse alone proves that man and woman were created equal from the beginning.

Genesis 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Man having authority over woman was not the actual plan of God, it was simply a curse.

God said Let's make a helper for the man, you no read that part?

budaatum:
Only the ignorant believe. The smart and the wise seek the Kingdom of the Gods with all their heart and soul and mind and being so they may know and understand and be able to explain further instead of asking others to ignorantly stupidly believe them just like Adam did in Eden and became a naked ignorant slave until sensible Eve freed him.

So what's your point? You clearly believe in Evolution which isn't in the bible, correct me if I'm wrong but you think there are other ways one can attain salvation and connect to God asides from faith in Christ. Besides, I don't claim anyone should believe me, but rather believe what the bible says, and if whatever I say correspond with what the Bible teaches. I just don't like when the bible is bring twisted to suite modern ideologies like what the OP's currently doing.

And yes, the smarts and the wise seek the kingdom of God as written in the holy scriptures because there is no other truth asides from the Holy Bible and in it is the word of God.

budaatum:
I am a book reader who has a brain and a mind, and care not for convictions if the book you says supports them don't.

If you respected personal convictions, you might not gave said the following "Most of the aspects of Nigerian marriage culture that are taught and embraced in Churches do not align with Biblical principles", which shows you have no respect for false personal convictions, and which I admire in you.

Brother Bernard, you mentioned that you have a brain; try to make use of it more often. Personal conviction refers to a deeply held belief or opinion that is unique to an individual.

The Bible is the guide; if Christianity is not practiced in the way it should be, it must be questioned. My belief is in God and His words, not in Nigerian pastors or unnecessary doctrines. Christianity is not practiced only in Nigeria, and it did not start in Nigeria.

GreatAchiever1:
So what's your point? You clearly believe in Evolution which isn't in the bible......

Evolution is not a thing to believe in or not, as that's like claiming to believe in oxygen or not But you obviously know nothing about evolution and should educate yourself.

https://www.nairaland.com/5238668/evolution-101#79231074

GreatAchiever1:
correct me if I'm wrong but you think there are other ways one can attain salvation and connect to God asides from faith in Christ.

Yes! Though I must ask, salvation from what exactly?

Understanding Jesus Christ and the entire Bible is much more beneficial than ignorant blind faith.

As for connecting with God, in as much as I do unto those I see before me God is connecting with me, according to Jesus Christ.



Besides, I don't claim anyone should believe me, but rather believe what the bible says, and if whatever I say correspond with what the Bible teaches. I just don't like when the bible is bring twisted to suite modern ideologies like what the OP's currently doing.

And yes, the smarts and the wise seek the kingdom of God as written in the holy scriptures because there is no other truth asides from the Holy Bible and in it is the word of God.[/quote]

Merry100:
Brother Bernard, try to use your brain more often. Personal conviction refers to a deeply held belief or opinion that is unique to an individual.

Or a group of people, Sister Bernard.

Merry100:
The Bible is the guide; if Christianity is not practiced in the way it should be, it must be questioned. My belief is in God and His words, not in Nigerian pastors or unnecessary doctrines. Christianity is not practiced only in Nigeria, and it did not start in Nigeria.

Your belief is more like in your understanding of the Bible, and you'd not argue that is 100% correct, I hope.

Those who brought you this Bible have evolved from literally believing it to understanding it, and you will too in due time.

Kingju:
As long as Feminism doesn't affect a woman to think that she's equal to a man then no ish, coz Holy Bible said the Man is the head and leader

On this subject, I have read and digested the Bible, so I know what I am talking about.

Do you guys think I haven't already gone through all the common verses you are presenting before coming to my conclusion?

Now is not the time, but I will break it down for you some other time.