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brain54:
It's just the way of the world...


No one is fixated about anyone's gender. You don't know the Genesis of the matter. So it's best not to jump in the middle of conversations!

I read your posts on this thread and you seem particularly fixated. Its one to comment and move on, it's another go on and on.

Here we go

Introduction

My initial accusation was simple: Budaatum, who presents himself as a staunch atheist critic, is in fact a long-time affiliate of the esoteric order AMORC (The Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis). He uses his atheist persona to mock others as "gullible" while secretly belonging to a group that teaches about an "invisible Great White Brotherhood" and other spiritual concepts.

Why bother at all if it is just the above and even disturbing everyone with it

This part is very crucial and will explain why I say so.

This exposure is not because Budaatum is a member of AMORC. If my goal was to shame members of that group, I would be targeting others on this forum as well.

This is happening for one reason only: he crossed a critical line of intellectual honesty.

I told him directly that I value authenticity and that he should be himself in debates. Instead, he chose to hide behind a fabricated atheist persona to mock and discredit me, while secretly belonging to an organization that holds its own spiritual beliefs.

When he refused to stop this hypocrisy, I called him out. I provided evidence, and after a long dispute, I chose to drop the matter.

He is the one who resurrected this issue two years later to rewrite history and paint me as a liar. My response now is to set the record straight, once and for all. This is about holding him accountable for his deception, not his affiliations.

He is the one who resurrected this issue two years later to rewrite history and paint me as a liar. My response now is to set the record straight, once and for all. This is about holding him accountable for his deception, not his affiliations.

To be continued

triplechoice:
I told him directly that I value authenticity and that he should be himself in debates.

And buda should give a flying f what you value, why?

Are you the standard for authenticity perhaps?

budaatum:
Dude, those topics are from 2009.

Below is buda's first thread in 2006 when buda joined Nairaland after migrating from the defunct Nigerians in America.

https://www.nairaland.com/20054/buda-atum-watsup-nia#552953

And here is like buda's third post on this forum.

https://www.nairaland.com/30729/there-no-god/1#713031

The time will come for you to defend yourself.

Allow me to present my case first and after you can occupy the thread and say what you like.

triplechoice:
The time will come for you to defend yourself.

Allow me to present my case first and after you can occupy the thread and say what you like.

You don't need my allowance, triple. You can write whatever you want whenever you want, and I can assist you however much my heart desires, which you can see is a lot.

The "Smoking Gun" and its disappeariance..

In June 2023, during a debate, I proved my claim by retrieving evidence from his own profile: a thread he created in 2009 where he advertised AMORC, provided links to download their introductory materials, and encouraged new members to join. This was not a neutral quote; it was promotion to recruit new members.

The sequence of events after I presented this evidence is critical:

1: Acknowledgement & Diversion. He first acknowledged the post was his but claimed the link in it was "invalid."


2: The Evidence Vanishes. When I returned to his profile to get the direct link to the thread, it had completely disappeared from his "Started Topics" list. It had been on Page 7 (2007-2010 topics) for over a decade, but was now gone. It did not simply "get lost"; it was made invisible from public view.


3: The Secret Update. Later, through a technical workaround (clicking his moniker on the saved post), I discovered the thread was not deleted, but still active and accessible by direct link in the post I copied. I also found that after claiming the link was invalid, he had secretly visited the thread to update it. Yet, it remained hidden from his profile.

To be continued

The Overwhelming Circumstantial Evidence

Budaatum now claims I have no "proof" he was responsible for hiding the thread. He is technically correct that I cannot produce a screenshot of him contacting a moderator. However, the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming and points to only one logical conclusion:

The thread was publicly visible on his profile for 14 years.
It vanished immediately after I exposed its contents and he became aware of it.
The thread is still a live thread on the forum, proving it was not automatically pruned or deleted by the system. It was deliberately hidden.
He had a clear motive to hide it: to destroy the evidence that proved my accusation and to create a "catch-22" where he could demand a link to a thread he had made inaccessible.

This is like a murderer being found standing over a victim with a smoking gun, only to argue, "You didn't see me pull the trigger." The absurdity he wants everyone to accept is that the thread vanished on its own, coincidentally, the moment it became evidence against him.


@Deepsight , Lordreed, Seun, Mynd44.

This is the most critical part of this expose. please focus on it.


Here's the direct link to the hidden thread. I was only able to reach it by clicking on his moniker in the post I copied from it


https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis#4312040

triplechoice:
The "Smoking Gun" and its disappeariance..

In June 2023, during a debate, I proved my claim by retrieving evidence from his own profile: a thread he created in 2009 where he advertised AMORC, provided links to download their introductory materials, and encouraged new members to join. This was not a neutral quote; it was promotion to recruit new members.

Please provide the title of this so called hidden thread that was not deleted so people can look it up for themselves please, and so I too can look it up and provide a link if I find it.

Meanwhile. I suggest everyone see this post and the one that proceeded it.

https://www.nairaland.com/8511650/nairalands-bot-out-control/7#137448647

I had to email the mods for its reinstation, after it disappeared when I attempted to correct the link that seemed to work no more, and the wonderful mods kindly obliged.

The corrected link can be found here.
https://www.nairaland.com/4793988/mystical-life/3#137448667

Do kindly state if you see it as "encouraged new members to join", and or a "promotion to recruit new members".

Also please state if buda has recruited or encourage you to join any organisation whatsoever. There must at least be one person here.

Thank you in advance.

A Call to Action and Verification.

I am now appealing to the forum owner @Seun and moderators, Mynd44 and the others, to please investigate this matter officially. Please look into the moderation logs for the 2009 thread in question and determine how and why it was hidden from public view on Budaatum's profile. The truth needs to be established once and for all.

To the Nairaland Community: You can verify key parts of this yourself.

1. You can see the promotional post I saved from 2009.
2. You can see that clicking the moniker on it leads to the original thread.
3. You can then go to Budaatum's profile, navigate to his "Topics" starting from Page 7, and confirm for yourself that this thread is missing from the list where it chronologically belongs.

The evidence is there. The thread is alive. But the access to it has been surgically removed from his public record. I have presented my case. The ball is now in Budaatum's court to provide a credible alternative explanation, and in the administration's hands to help uncover the final truth. This harassment must end.

Thank you all especially Lordreed who came out with his screenshot to get this started

One final question for Budaatum:

Did you in 2009 created a thread where you advertised AMORC?

If you did,

Is the thread in question still visible on your profile?

A simple Yes or no will do.

@Deepsight, @Lordreed @Seun @Mynd44

triplechoice:
. It was deliberately hidden.
He had a clear motive to hide it: to destroy the evidence that proved my accusation and to create a "catch-22" where he could demand a link to a thread he had made inaccessible.

This is like a murderer being found standing over a victim with a smoking gun, only to argue, "You didn't see me pull the trigger." The absurdity he wants everyone to accept is that the thread vanished on its own, coincidentally, the moment it became evidence against him.


@Deepsight , Lordreed, Seun, Mynd44.
This is the most critical part of this expose. please focus on it.

Here's the direct link to the hidden thread. I was only able to reach it by clicking on his moniker in the post I copied from it

https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis#4312040

Oh! I see you beat me to it and have provided a link to a thread you claim I hid. Thank you very much.

The thread did not vanish on its own, as I have elaborated above along with how it got unvanished, for which my gratitude to the mods is immense.

Below is the process I went through too to get it unvanished, and hope the mods don't mind me posting it here.

I still don’t get the bone of contention. That’s he’s part of (AMORC) or they deleted the thread🤷‍♂️

LordReed:
I read your posts on this thread and you seem particularly fixated. Its one to comment and move on, it's another go on and on.

So why are you being fixated on me and my posts now...?

Why can't you get a move on? why are you going on and on!

budaatum:
Oh! I see you beat me to it and have provided a link to a thread you claim I hid. Thank you very much.

The thread did not vanish on its own, as I have elaborated above along with how it got unvanished, for which my gratitude to the mods is immense.

Below is the process I went through too to get it unvanished, and hope the mods don't mind me posting it here.

Oga you have failed

@Lordreed , check your screenshot again and see that the thread in question is not there.

If it appears now, then it can only mean one thing and you know the answer

Use this link to get to ",The Mission" thread where I first posted it
https://www.nairaland.com/7731741/mission#124067609

Search for it . It's on the first page.

triplechoice:
One final question for Budaatum:

Did you in 2009 created a thread where you advertised AMORC?

If you did,

Is the thread in question still visible on your profile?

A simple Yes or no will do.

@Deepsight, @Lordreed @Seun @Mynd44

No, Triple, I did not "created a thread where you advertised AMORC". I created a thread where I shared information about Amorc.

And yes, "the thread in question is still visible on your profile", or you would not have been able to screenshot it, nor ask others to screenshot it, nor provide a link to it.

I presume this is the thread, though there are a few more, so correct me if this is not the one you meant.

https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis

It can be seen on the second page of my threads.

triplechoice:
Oga you have failed

@ Lordreed , check your screenshot again and see that the thread in question is not there.

If it appears now, then it can only mean one thing and you know the answer.

Kindly share this your answer so everyone can know please. I am intrigued.

triplechoice:
This harassment must end.

Don't you think it funny that you create a thread to do whatever it is you are attempting to do here and then claim harassment?

Let it be known that buda in no way feels harassed by you, triplechoice, and again kindly implore the mods not to delete or remove or hide this thread please. Thank you.

SpencerForbes:
I still don’t get the bone of contention. That’s he’s part of (AMORC) or they deleted the thread🤷‍♂️

He's a part of Amorc but pretends to be a pure atheist to mock others as foolish and gullible for subscribing to beliefs he himself secretly promotes on this same forum.

When I confronted him for his intellectual dishonesty he denied being a member of Amorc and claimed he only quote them just like he quotes the Bible and the Qur'an.

But when I provided evidence of him advertising Amorc to recruit new members he secretly went to hide it from public view from his profile and back to demand for link to it suggesting I cloned his past post.

By the time I returned to his profile to get the link to the thread from which the post was taken It had disappeared.

And because of my inability to provide the link he started calling me a liar.

Now ,two years after the incident when I thought we have both forgotten about it and have had several amicable discussions on other topics , he resurrected the issue to continue from where he stopped calling me a liar again. Why?

And so, to clear my name,I asked questions and gut to know what he did to hidr it and why.

He should stop harassing me on this matter. I didn't accuse him falsely. My accusation is backed by evidence which he hid.

budaatum:
No, Triple, I did not "created a thread where you advertised AMORC". I created a thread where I shared information about Amorc.

And yes, "the thread in question is still visible on your profile", or you would not have been able to screenshot it, nor ask others to screenshot it, nor provide a link to it.

I presume this is the thread, though there are a few more, so correct me if this is not the one you meant.

https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis

It can be seen on the second page of my threads.

You have failed.

And you not making sense

Just provide a screenshot of the second page of your topics on your profile showing where that particular thread is visible.

Provide evidence and not explanation to create confusion in the minds of those reading.

The thread in question was created in 2009 and so, the only place it can be found is Page 7 and no where else.

budaatum:
No, Triple, I did not "created a thread where you advertised AMORC". I created a thread where I shared information about Amorc.

And yes, "the thread in question is still visible on your profile", or you would not have been able to screenshot it, nor ask others to screenshot it, nor provide a link to it.

I presume this is the thread, though there are a few more, so correct me if this is not the one you meant.

https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis

It can be seen on the second page of my threads.

Why are you now owning up to it now?

And just look at you trying to hide behind semantics

You didn't create a thread to advertise Amorc ,but to share information about them.

What's the nature of the information you shared?

You added a link to download their Introductory material for new members and who to contact.

And you did that as an atheist ?

You nor get shame telling childish lies

Modified: The thread is not visible before I started this and still not visible.
I ask others to screenshot it so that if it later appears after this disclosure , then it will only mean one thing.

Hahahaha

You think say you get sense. See as I play u like small pikin

brain54:
So why are you being fixated on me and my posts now...?

Why can't you get a move on? why are you going on and on!

I asked a question which you didn't answer.

If you're following this and want to know the truth use the link below to reach the thread in question and then go to Budaatum topics on the second as he said and check if it's visible there.

https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis

triplechoice:
One final question for Budaatum:

Did you in 2009 created a thread where you advertised AMORC?

If you did,

Is the thread in question still visible on your profile?

A simple Yes or no will do.

@Deepsight, @Lordreed @Seun @Mynd44

The thread is visible on budaatum's profile.

triplechoice:
Why are you now owning up to it now?

Triple, anyone reading your tirade would see what I own up to or don't, and you can't change it so people are so blind they only see what you tell them to.

As for my atheism, I emphatically and categorically state that gods do not exist, and are simply a figment of the imagination created by book writers for the simple to believe instead of seeking for knowledge so they may actually know.

Also, buda is not and has never been a member of AMORC or any other comparable organisation. My mother trained me far too well than for me to waste my money subscribing to an organisation that I can read quite a lot of their books for free.

Ref:
https://www.nairaland.com/7731741/mission/12#137436449

And on that note, I add a quote from a god book to further confound you.

triplechoice:
See as I play u like small pikin

You think?

I love you triplechoice.

LordReed:
I asked a question which you didn't answer.

What makes you think I must answer your question...

If you are not fixated on me or why aren't you moving on?

LordReed:
The thread is visible on budaatum's profile.

Oh my Lord! You even managed to get all three relevant threads together.

I've bumped the fourth so the list is semi complete, for I'm certain there could be others. And below are links too.

https://www.nairaland.com/7762141/rosicrucian-order-visit

https://www.nairaland.com/4793988/mystical-life

https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis

https://www.nairaland.com/7731741/mission

triplechoice:
If you're following this and want to know the truth use the link below to reach the thread in question and then go to Budaatum topics on the second as he said and check if it's visible there.

https://www.nairaland.com/302215/manifesto-positio-fraternitatis-rosae-crucis

You may want to recall that there was a time when Nairaland went down and many threads couldn't be restored. If you are thinking of a thread you can no longer see that might be the explanation. As for the AMORC thread it is still visible in budaatum's profile.

LordReed:
You may want to recall that there was a time when Nairaland went down and many threads couldn't be restored. If you are thinking of a thread you can no longer see that might be the explanation. As for the AMORC thread it is still visible in budaatum's profile.

He does recall. He mentioned it recently. I don't however think any of my threads were affected, or at least none of those he thinks prove his claim were affected, as he has produced links to them here himself.

brain54:
What makes you think I must answer your question...

If you are not fixated on me or why aren't you moving on?

You asked me something and I responded, it has nothing to do with you.

You on the other hand are just so concerned about what gender someone is to the extent of vowing to knock your head against a rock. That is the behaviour of the obsessed.

budaatum:
He does recall. He mentioned it recently. I don't however think any of my threads were affected, or at least none of those he thinks prove his claim were affected, as he has produced links to them here himself.

Well then triplechoice what is the point of all this? I am not seeing why you think any of this is compelling. Is there something more you wish to reveal?

LordReed:
You asked me something and I responded, it has nothing to do with you.

You on the other hand are just so concerned about what gender someone is to the extent of vowing to knock your head against a rock. That is the behaviour of the obsessed.

If you aren't clever enough to see I was joking...

Then I'm sorry I can't help you.


What makes you think I would be obsessed enough about some random trannies to knock my head.


You thinking with your 🏀?