Nihilist:


Van Gaal's reputation has bought him a free ride. Any other manager would be in trouble by now.

Let Moyes earn one first before you people start campaigning for him.
Simple

elampiro:
n his latest blog, Juan Mata looks back on Sunday's Manchester derby clash at the Etihad Stadium...

Today I’m writing to you from home after a defeat that is not easy to take.

A derby is always special and the one in Manchester is really intense, you can feel it in the streets during the week. That’s why it’s hard to accept that we have lost and, despite not being able to help my team-mates on the pitch, I can tell you that the whole team is very upset.

Playing away against City is always challenging because they have big offensive potential, as it was shown, but having one player sent off in the first half just makes things more complicated. This is the fifth time this season that one of us has got a red card, so unfortunately we already know what it means to have one player less. But even though Sergio Aguero scored and we were down to 10 men, our team showed pride and almost tied the game, although this time it was not possible.

To be honest, right now, rather than looking at the table we have to focus on our path in order to improve and to win games.

Obviously this situation is not what we wanted, but in this moment the team must stick together and keep on going. I’m sure we will do it.

[Source: One Hour Behind, manutd.com]

We were all kinda impressed how we played when we went a goal down even with the man down.

Why we don't play like that when we are complete still baffles me. We seem contented passing safe balls btw the defenders. We shud be doing more incisive passes.

Watch Real, Barca and Bayern, they don't pass the ball unnecessarily amongst themselves. 2-3 passes most times and someone is attempting to score.

Dadehmola:


I want the media to point out the same mistakes moyes was criticized for - some of which LVG seems to be making..

That's one of the benefits of having a good pedigree

-this isn't LVG's first big appointment. It was moyes' first
-this isn't the first time LVG is trying to rebuild a squad. He has tried it before, he has had bad starts and he has overcome them.

So u can forgive anyone who has chosen to give LVG the benefit of the doubt.

The journalists too have reputations
They know the likelihood of LVG coming out successful is high
They too are seeing the positive signs

They don't want it to be a feast of eaten words at the end of the day.
Can't say the same for moyes.

Should LVG continue to struggle for a period longer than necessary, and it begins to seem as if he won't make it, then he will feel the wrath of the media.

Nihilist:

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This guy is secretly sowing seed of discord on this thread that him name know be for show.

StarBoard:


I'm sure the Chelsea side that finished third last season had an average age that was higher than United's.

The average age might look youthful but legs might be tired already (old at heart). E.g Distin vs Ferdinand. You may have to reason why Gaal overhauled the team.



And Man United age was not balanced at all. Some players were too old while others were too young. Those coming to replace the aged ones were just too young and inexperienced. Cahil, Azpilicueta and Ivanovic were a good replacement for players like Alex, Bosigwa, Cole. While in United Buttner, Smalling, Jones had to replace Ferdi, Vidic and Evra.

Nihilist:


So Van Gaal doesn't have bizzare tactics? From playing a 3-5-2 that lost 4-0 to MK Dons to Pushing Rooney further and further in to central midfield, to playing a suicidal high line against the rapid attackers of Man City...I can give you more if you want

• januzaj and di Maria in a central midfield pivot ( at different times sha)

• Jesse lingard ( an out and out striker) was converted to a RWB

...Yet we keep on blaming injuries

elampiro:


The average age might look youthful but legs might be tired already (old at heart). E.g Distin vs Ferdinand. You may have to reason why Gaal overhauled the team.



And Man United age was not balanced at all. Some players were too old while others were too young. Those coming to replace the aged ones were just too young and inexperienced. Cahil, Azpilicueta and Ivanovic were a good replacement for players like Alex, Bosigwa, Cole. While in United Buttner, Smalling, Jones had to replace Ferdi, Vidic and Evra.

We are talking of age here since the allegation was that we had an aging squad.

The United squad that won the league comfortably and was knocked out by Real in 2012/13 was old according to you.
The same side Moyes inherited and took to the depths of 7th.
I don't see any correlation between the two scenarios.

I don't buy that age thing. Not for one second.

dopeJemi:


Lmfao the thunder wey go fire you ehn still dey carry weights

I dey the country wey the country wey you dey colonize for africa wey near naija

Omo why you dey swear for me like dis na?

codedguy1:


We were all kinda impressed how we played when we went a goal down even with the man down.

Why we don't play like that when we are complete still baffles me. We seem contented passing safe balls btw the defenders. We shud be doing more incisive passes.

Watch Real, Barca and Bayern, they don't pass the ball unnecessarily amongst themselves. 2-3 passes most times and someone is attempting to score.

I think our players should go and watch what they did in the last 20 minutes and try to play like that every day. The way McNair took the ball at his feet forward to midfielders was great. Then the midfield to the final third play was also great. Carrick made the ball retention at the back looked so comfortable, then Valencia and McNair took it forward with ease.

I see great hope. We are going to be like Madrid or Bayern soon.

incredibleone:
its z nt how much u spend,it z how well.....man u spent senselessly,there are very cheap defenders all over europe that ar good enough for a season,verthongen,williams and marquinhos...................panic buys ar really 'costly'

Seriously? U expecting them to buy cheap players with their biggest club in the world mentality. I don't think they can and possibly won't, they think that big money defenders will solve their problems. I just hope it turns out well for them, because it would be a real shame if after buying big names like Hummels, Strootman, Alves and maybe Khedira they are still in deep shi.t.

StarBoard:


We are talking of age here since the allegation was that we had an aging squad.

The United squad that won the league comfortably and was knocked out by Real in 2012/13 was old according to you.
The same side Moyes inherited and took to the depths of 7th.
I don't see any correlation between the two scenarios.

I don't buy that age thing. Not for one second.

You should because the two CB pairing that featured in both seasons aren't here anymore and going by their performance in there present clubs we should be glad.
We regularly complained about that team
Problem is you're seeing them through rose tinted glasses.

Nihilist:


So Van Gaal doesn't have bizzare tactics? From playing a 3-5-2 that lost 4-0 to MK Dons to Pushing Rooney further and further in to central midfield, to playing a suicidal high line against the rapid attackers of Man City...I can give you more if you want

are u kidding me?
what's bizzare about 352
He excelled at the world cup with it
Juve destroys everyone in the seria a with it
The loss to mk dons was as a result of the selected players and nothing to do with the formation.

So what other option was left for him as regards the rooney issue giving the situation on ground
Push him forward to be RVP's partner when we were a man down?

And the 'suicidal Highline' was the reason we lost? Right?

Charisma and Pedigree? What Charisma does Van Gaal have? He sits down scribbling notes all game. Then he comes out and says "Judge me after 3 months". Then he comes out and says "It was very stu pid to say three months because then the media are only talking about three months.". And how has his pedigree improved your team's fortunes?

so until a manager begins to stand up and be overly dramatic like Jose before u can conclude that he has charisma?
Watch his Body language throughout games and compare it with that of moyes and tell me u can see a huge difference
Don't even get me started on their press conferences.

Van Gaal famously never gets on with his players and staff anyway, so I'm surprised you're talking about man-management. Man Management? Hahahaha. Everywhere he has gone he has left on bad terms with coaching staff, players, board and even the fans. Someone who was once described as a football hitler by one of his own players, is the one you're given props for man management.

and you will still find a lot of his ex players 'worshipping' him and the influence he had in their careers
Every team huh?
I bet the dutch national team, and fans hate him too because he also left them in acrimonious circumstamce.
Jose that has been praised to be a good man manager fell out with every one at madrid.

Summary of everything, he's keeping the squad happy and all the players are happy to play for him and they believe in him.
That's good enough man management for me.

All Van Gaal really has going for him is his reputation, and many Manyoo fans like yourself are simply unwillingly to believe that someone with his reputation might not actually be up to the task.

Van Gaal's reputation has bought him a free ride. Any other manager would be in trouble by now.

when Rival fans fail to see the improvements in the team, I usually don't bother myself about it.
I don't expect u to
Only avid followers would.
Before the end of the season we would know if he is not upto the task at hand as u claim or not.

PietroRico:

That's one of the benefits of having a good pedigree

-this isn't LVG's first big appointment. It was moyes' first
-this isn't the first time LVG is trying to rebuild a squad. He has tried it before, he has had bad starts and he has overcome them.

So u can forgive anyone who has chosen to give LVG the benefit of the doubt.

The journalists too have reputations
They know the likelihood of LVG coming out successful is high
They too are seeing the positive signs

They don't want it to be a feast of eaten words at the end of the day.
Can't say the same for moyes.

Should LVG continue to struggle for a period longer than necessary, and it begins to seem as if he won't make it, then he will feel the wrath of the media.

You seem to be deliberately ignoring one part. Like Gustavo pointed out - If moyes was licking rooney's àrse, ( like the media said last season) what is LVG doing at the moment?

Dadehmola:


You seem to be deliberately ignoring one part. Like Gustavo pointed out - If moyes was licking rooney's àrse, ( like the media said last season) what is LVG doing at the moment?

common!
You know the scenarios are faar from the same.

What prompted the rooney worship claims?
Was it not after he kept sticking him the hole despite consistent shyte performances, and refusal to substitute him during games, no matter how useless he was? When there was a certain shinji (who hadn't been given a fair chance to prove himself) on the bench.



How exactly is LVG arrsse-licking rooney?
By making him his captain?
was there a better candidate, if yes I'd like to hear it from u!

Has rooney been shyte this season? Be honest with yourself.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw people criticizing him after the manchester derby when he was clearly one of our better performers on the day.

Or would u rather he replaced rooney with matat(who is looking more and more like a fraud as the season progresses) ?

Dadehmola:


You seem to be deliberately ignoring one part. Like Gustavo pointed out - If moyes was licking rooney's àrse, ( like the media said last season) what is LVG doing at the moment?

didn't SAF increase this same rooney's salary.
is that a sign of weakness ?

StarBoard:


We are talking of age here since the allegation was that we had an aging squad.

The United squad that won the league comfortably and was knocked out by Real in 2012/13 was old according to you.
The same side Moyes inherited and took to the depths of 7th.
I don't see any correlation between the two scenarios.

I don't buy that age thing. Not for one second.

So if it wasn't old, how come almost the whole team was flushed out? How many players from that 2012/13 team are still making our fist 11 today?

If you ask me, SAF was able to win the league with them because he brought them up. He knew how to combine them to get something out of a match. That was the reason Phil Jones and Welbeck had so many matches in midfield at the expense of more creative players. SAF would use Welbeck to help Evra on the wing. He would use Jones to check physical opponents. He utilized Rooney's versatility to help the soft midfield. Then he would play Ferdinand deep in the defence to make his work less. Evra overlaps, Welbeck does the back chasing catch up for him. What am I trying to say? It takes someone who has been at the club for a long time to be able to do a job with the players we had. But the players were actually poor already. Most of them just average.

If Gaal had come earlier, he would have faced the same mess, but we would have been back at the top now.

SIRcumalot:

You should because the two CB pairing that featured in both seasons aren't here anymore and going by their performance in there present clubs we should be glad.
We regularly complained about that team
Problem is you're seeing them through rose tinted glasses.

Which rose tinted glasses?

The same CBs we had led us to a title the year before.
Did some disease inflict the two the season after that made it difficult for them to move their joints just months later?

You guys should understand that this argument is not about who is better between Gaal and Moyes. We know who is better and who can make us play like Bayern.


* Just a general question. Why has Moyes not taken another appointment? The guy no wan coach again? Let's see what he can do in a new club.

StarBoard:


Which rose tinted glasses?

The same CBs we had led us to a title the year before.
Did some disease inflict the two the season after that made it difficult for them to move their joints just months later?

that is mostly likely the case cause RIO and Vidic have impressed QPR and Inter respectively with their never say die physical and mental attributes

elampiro:

So if it wasn't old, how can almost the whole team was flushed out? How many players from that 2012/13 team are still making our fist 11 today?

So Nani, Kagawa, Hernandez,Welbeck,Nick Powell, Buttner, Cleverley are old, eh?
but Rooney, Fletcher and Carrick who are older than all the above and were retainted were young?

No further comments, elampiro.
These people were active 2012/13 but suddenly went missing the season after, and you would want us to believe they are old.

elampiro:


If you ask me, SAF was able to win the league with them because he brought them up. He knew how to combine them to get something out of a match. That was the reason Phil Jones and Welbeck had so many matches in midfield at the expense of more creative players. SAF would use Welbeck to help Evra on the wing. He would use Jones to check physical opponents. He utilized Rooney's versatility to help the soft midfield. Then he would play Ferdinand deep in the defence to make his work less. Evra overlaps, Welbeck does the back chasing catch up for him. What am I trying to say? It takes someone who has been at the club for a long time to be able to do a job with the players we had. But the players were actually poor already. Most of them just average.

Here or there.
Fergie had the winning mentality instilled in them by molding them after his personality. Nothing more than that.
Moyes had no personality whatsoever.

And therein lies the difference. Forget this age thing.

SIRcumalot:

that is mostly likely the case cause RIO and Vidic have impressed QPR and Inter respectively with their never say die physical and mental attributes

You still haven't answered my question.

elampiro:
You guys should understand that this argument is not about who is better between Gaal and Moyes. We know who is better and who can make us play like Bayern.


* Just a general question. Why has Moyes not taken another appointment? The guy no wan coach again? Let's see what he can do in a new club.

offer no go come first?
Or does he have the right to walk into management in any club of his choice?

SIRcumalot:

that is mostly likely the case cause RIO and Vidic have impressed QPR and Inter respectively with their never say die physical and mental attributes

Plus Johnny Evans. He is not the player he used to be.

That SAF team was already being patched. The signs of cracks (big cracks) were glaring. Teams were coming to Old Trafford to threaten us, then we would manage a slim win after a hard battle. That started from 2012/13 and it was rare in the past. In those days, teams would only come to Old Trafford to park the bus and see if they could reduce the score line to 1-0 or 2-0.

PietroRico:
offer no go come first?
Or does he have the right to walk into management in any club of his choice?

Where im wan see offer?
Maybe Niger Tornadoes fit give am work if im tender im CV.

PietroRico:
common!
You know the scenarios are faar from the same.

No, they are not..

PietroRico:

What prompted the rooney worship claims?
Was it not after he kept sticking him the hole despite consistent shyte performances, and refusal to substitute him during games, no matter how useless he was? When there was a certain shinji (who hadn't been given a fair chance to prove himself) on the bench.

And how exactly have we noticed changes in this regard?? Are you telling me Rooney deserved to have stayed on the pitch for 90mins in all the games he has featured in this season?

PietroRico:

How exactly is LVG arrsse-licking rooney?
By making him his captain?
was there a better candidate, if yes I'd like to hear it from u!

LVG has said that Rooney will always enjoy certain privileges as the captain ( privileges RVP didn't enjoy as captain of the dutch side).What was the smoking gun to that effect? Rooney who is a shyty CF (LVG's words) was shifted back into the same hole in which we all agree will never be his best position. When he fûcks up there again, he prolly will be drafted to LB or CB...afterall his captain must always play, which means that there must always be a starting role for Rooney, irrespective of his unsuitability to whatever role it is..

As regards the captaincy issue, I'd rather he made Rvp captain... Atleast he was "substitutable" at the worldcup. Forget that preseason hogwash - if both Rooney and RvP had to go on extended breaks, what would have happened?

StarBoard:


So Nani, Kagawa, Hernandez,Welbeck,Nick Powell, Buttner, Cleverley are old, eh?
but Rooney, Fletcher and Carrick who are older than all the above and were retainted were young?

No further comments, elampiro.
These people were active 2012/13 but suddenly went missing the season after, and you would want us to believe they are old.

How many games did Nani, Hernadez, Powell, Buttner play in 2012/13?

OLD regulars= Ferdinand, Evra, Vidic, Carrick.

Weak regulars (lost form)= Cleverley.

Kagawa did not contribute much in 2012/13.

StarBoard:


Here or there.
Fergie had the winning mentality instilled in them by molding them after his personality. Nothing more than that.
Moyes had no personality whatsoever.

And therein lies the difference. Forget this age thing.

So why did Gaal not instill his winning mentality?

Mourinho had a winning mentality but he needed to buy players to lift his team past 3rd position he met it.

StarBoard:


You still haven't answered my question.

In your opinion based recent Memories which of our title winning EPL teams would you say is the weakest ?

elampiro:


How many games did Nani, Hernadez, Powell, Buttner play in 2012/13?

Nani: mostly injured but managed 11 league games for United
Hernandez: 22 league games
Powell Buttner: admittedly didn't play much

elampiro:


OLD regulars= Ferdinand, Evra, Vidic, Carrick.
Weak regulars (lost form)= Cleverley.

so why wasn't Carrick sold/loaned?

elampiro:


Kagawa did not contribute much in 2012/13.

Kagawa 20 league games despite injury.
scored a hat-trick vs Norwich.

elampiro:


So why did Gaal not instill his winning mentality?

How long has van Gaal been at United?

elampiro:


Mourinho had a winning mentality but he needed to buy players to lift his team past 3rd position he met it.

So how come he's not won anything for two seasons running?

Rojo has moved to ease fears over the injury by
tweeting “thank you all for your messages. thank god it
was nothing”.
Gracias a todos por los mensajes. Gracias a dios fue
solo un mal momento/ thank you all for your
messages. thank god it was nothing
— marcos rojo (@marcosrojo5) November 2, 2014
Thank God it wasn't worse

SIRcumalot:

In your opinion based recent Memories which of our title winning EPL teams would you say is the weakest ?

2010/11
We won only 5 away games and copped only 8o points in total.

StarBoard:

Omo why you dey swear for me like dis na?

Which swear I swear for you

StarBoard:


Nani: mostly injured but managed 11 league games for United
Hernandez: 22 league games
Powell Buttner: admittedly didn't play much


so why wasn't Carrick sold/loaned?

Kagawa 20 league games despite injury.
scored a hat-trick vs Norwich.

How long has van Gaal been at United?



So how come he's not won anything for two seasons running?

1. Chicharito had only 945 minutes of football out of a possible 3,420 which is only 10 matches.

2. Nani had total football of just 629 minutes.

3. Carrick was not tested. Moreso he was eetained as a back up defender/midfielder.

4. Kagawa had 1341 minutes. About 15 games.


As I said, these players, together with the likes of Buttner and Powell were not the main players of 2012/2013.

5. You have just expressed your patience with Gaal by asking me 'how long he has been at Man United'. Do you know you were one of the first to attack Moyes on this thread last season? And that came as early as September of October.

6. On Mourinho: I am just telling you that having a winning mentality alone doesn't help a team to win. You need to upgrade team by replacing the tired legs.