vooks:

Go back through the last four threads and see how many issues you have raised without hammering them down. Did I not prophesy that with this galloping you will be here in 2024?

may be it hurts you endlessly that am completely impervious to illogic. I demand proof, i have the same spirit of Bereans, I stand by IT IS WRITTEN. I can't possibly apologize for loving Truth. Sir no Sir!

Whatever spirit you choose to have isn't my problem. [size=24pt]I have not said don't read other versions[/size]. How else can I put this.

I said KJV is the closest in meaning to the original. The more the translations, the farther they shift away from the original words.


And about taking you through other topics, it is not my fault, if you don't understand the fundamentals, how then will I explain the main issue.

One of such fundamentals is that a demon cannot cohabit with God in a believer. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.
When you let that sink in, you will realise why I don't need to be looking for demons to brawl. Rather, I will present the truth(Christ) to an unbeliever and such person can be illuminated by the light through the power of God.

Could you please tell us what brought the multitude together?

I have told you it was the noise from speaking in diverse tongues simultaneously. Paul tells you outsiders are likely to mistake the church speaking in tongues simultaneously for mad people. It could also have been the mighty rushing wind that drew the Jews initially only for them to hear the 120 speaking in tongues. This is a very minor part of the narrative BTW.

What is clear is the 120 NEVER preached to the Diasporan Jews and proselytes in their own languages. They spoke wonderful works of God. (v11). Peter is the one who preached/addressed the Jews in ONE language they all understood.

IF they ALL preached in tongues strange to Galilee, then there was absolutely no point in Peter standing up (v11) to preach seeing thy had already heard the gospel from the 120

shdemidemi:



Those are your personal inferences. I will stick with scriptures here.

If you say they were praying in tongues, what exactly could they have been praying for:

could it be more empowerment?

or could it be more self edification, probably the empowerment of the Spirit was not enough.

Why is KJV the closest to the 'original'?
Explain to us intelligently why or what you mean by this statement

What about the non-English speaking believers? What is the closest to original for a Yoruba translation?

Demon possession among Christians is non of my business on this thread. You have shied away from my question which is whether a Christian in 2014 can cast out demons or whether that ability is redundant together with tongues. Nobody was sent to brawl demons yet they were given power to cast out demons as a sign.

shdemidemi:


Whatever spirit you choose to have isn't my problem. I have not said don't read other versions. How else can I put this.

I said KJV is the closest in meaning to the original. The more the translations, the farther they shift away from the original words.


And about taking you through other topics, it is not my fault, if you don't understand the fundamentals, how then will I explain the main issue.

One of such fundamentals is that a demon cannot cohabit with God in a believer. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.
When you let that sink in, you will realise why I don't need to be looking for demons to brawl. Rather, I will present the truth(Christ) to an unbeliever and such person can be illuminated by the light through the power of God.

vooks:
Could you please tell us what brought the multitude together?

I have told you it was the noise from speaking in diverse tongues simultaneously. Paul tells you outsiders are likely to mistake the church speaking in tongues simultaneously for mad people. It could also have been the mighty rushing wind that drew the Jews initially only for them to hear the 120 speaking in tongues. This is a very minor part of the narrative BTW.

Go and check what the Luke meant by 'noise abroad'(also used in Luke 1:65), then we can talk. They had all gone their separate ways until Jesus revealed Himself to them. This was what revamped the service of God and the initiation of the Holy Spirit through these 120 disciples.

vooks:
What is clear is the 120 NEVER preached to the Diasporan Jews and proselytes in their own languages. [size=25pt]They spoke wonderful works of God.[/size] (v11). Peter is the one who preached/addressed the Jews in ONE language they all understood.

IF they ALL preached in tongues strange to Galilee, then there was absolutely no point in Peter standing up (v11) to preach seeing thy had already heard the gospel from the 120

What does it mean to speak the works of God in the presence of an unbeliever? They did not just speak about the works of God there, they spoke it in each and everyone's local dialect.

Peter preached because he was the leader. it was an opportunity for a sermon, and he took advantage of it.

It is like saying, Nigerians were all gathered. Suddenly, the 120 spoke ibibio, hausa, ibo and other languages to testify about God's work. Does that stop the leader being Peter from putting the ice on the cake by saying a few things in a common language!

My brother,
WHAT BROUGHT THE MULTITUDE TOGETHER? according to Acts 2:6?

This is what Jesus commanded the disciples;

Acts 10:42-43 King James Version (KJV)
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

If you can get me a verse where this was done in a strange/unknown tongue(s) then you have a point. Wonders of God is not necessarily v42. It could be anything. AM not interested in tasking your brains to guess EXACTLY what wonders of God is. But I can tell you for free if WONDERS OF GOD is what Jesus commanded the disciples to share, then there was no need for Peter repeating the SAME things the SAME day to the SAME people. Unless of course speaking in tongues was a grossly inadequate tool for preaching. This is called deduction...it is an intellectual process of arriving at the truth by eliminating implausible alternatives

shdemidemi:


Go and check what the Luke meant by 'noise abroad'(also used in Luke 1:65), then we can talk. They had all gone their separate ways until Jesus revealed Himself to them. This was what revamped the service of God and the initiation of the Holy Spirit through these 120 disciples.



What does it mean to speak the works of God in the presence of an unbeliever? They did not just speak about the works of God there, they spoke it in each and everyone's local dialect.

Peter preached to the guys who had heard the gospel each in their own dialect a few moments before? Are you serious? What was he doing that the gift of tongues FAILED to accomplish in these Diasporan Jews? Recall it is Peter who led them to repentance NOT the tongues

Peter never said 'a few things in common language', in fact NOT all of what he said is recorded. Let's read;

Acts 2:40 King James Version (KJV)
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

He spoke at length. Read your Bible sir and discard vain traditions

shdemidemi:

Peter preached because he was the leader. it was an opportunity for a sermon, and he took advantage of it.

It is like saying, Nigerians were all gathered. Suddenly, the 120 spoke ibibio, hausa, ibo and other languages to testify about God's work. Does that stop the leader being Peter from putting the ice on the cake by saying a few things in a common language!

vooks:
Why is KJV the closest to the 'original'?
Explain to us intelligently why or what you mean by this statement

What about the non-English speaking believers? What is the closest to original for a Yoruba translation?

Now, Ajayi crowther did his best by translating the bible to yoruba. Recently, I noticed that some things were misinterpreted. This might not be Samuel Ajayi's fault but the reason might have been difficulty in finding words that is synonymous in meaning in the yoruba language.

If you are familiar with yoruba we can check one example, check what it says in Psalm 23. The english bible says the Lord is my shepherd, meaning I am the sheep.

The yoruba version translated it to be 'the Lord is the shepherd of my sheep', -'Oluwa ni olusho aguntan mi' which should have read 'Oluwa ni olusho emi aguntan re'.

We find this sort of discrepancies in many translations, that is why I say it is better to stick with the KJV.

Moreover, we have expository dictionaries and tools that also employ the use of KJV for complete understanding of every word.

vooks:

Demon possession among Christians is non of my business on this thread. You have shied away from my question which is whether a Christian in 2014 can cast out demons or whether that ability is redundant together with tongues. Nobody was sent to brawl demons yet they were given power to cast out demons as a sign.

After Acts 12, a new Apostle started a ministry of grace. His name is Paul, he became the harbinger of the gospel of God that we must believe to be saved(1 cor 15:1).

The bible called him the Apostle to the Gentiles. He did not bring a gospel of casting out demons but a gospel of God unto salvation by God's grace. He never taught us how to cast out demons neither did he teach us how to speak in tongues.

All he focussed on was- study and rightly divide the word to show yourself approved, herald the message I have taught you.

vooks:
My brother,
WHAT BROUGHT THE MULTITUDE TOGETHER? according to Acts 2:6?

This is what Jesus commanded the disciples;

Acts 10:42-43 King James Version (KJV)
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

If you can get me a verse where this was done in a strange/unknown tongue(s) then you have a point. Wonders of God is not necessarily v42. It could be anything. AM not interested in tasking your brains to guess EXACTLY what wonders of God is. But I can tell you for free if WONDERS OF GOD is what Jesus commanded the disciples to share, then there was no need for Peter repeating the SAME things the SAME day to the SAME people. Unless of course speaking in tongues was a grossly inadequate tool for preaching. This is called deduction...it is an intellectual process of arriving at the truth by eliminating implausible alternatives

You have said they were praying, you are yet to tell us what exactly they were praying for. Moreover, if they were to be praying why would the crowd need to understand what they were saying in their language. I taught it was suppose to be a language understood by the spirit alone.

Acts 2
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

They heard and understood what the people were saying. It did not stop there, they also grasped that it was the works of God they were speaking about.

I am not going to address this issue of praying or preaching anymore. If you disagree with me after all I have said so far, there is nothing more I can add.

My brother,
I don't know no Yoruba, just used the language for illustration. may be some day you could teach me some

About KJV, there are also many discrepancies therein; they have the word Easter in Acts, call Holy Spirit IT as if He is an object in ROmans and so forth. You and I are KJV lovers but the difference is I never hesitate reading other versions because I know the translators are fallible just as fallible as those behind other versions. SO I don't idolize one translation and elevate it above others. BTW, the KJV itself has undergone editing. AM sure you can't possibly read a 1611 version if your life depended on it


I don't know what gospel it is of casting out demons. I do know of Mark. Let's read mark

Mark 16:17 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

I also know that forty days after these words, believers were speaking in tongues and casting out demons. Were they were engaging in your 'gospel of casting demons'?

Once again quit ignoring my question. Can a 2014 believer (like you) cast out demons?

shdemidemi:


Now, Ajayi crowther did his best by translating the bible to yoruba. Recently, I noticed that some things were misinterpreted. This might not be Samuel Ajayi's fault but the reason might have been difficulty in finding words that is synonymous in meaning in the yoruba language.

If you are familiar with yoruba we can check one example, check what it says in Psalm 23. The english bible says the Lord is my shepherd, meaning I am the sheep.

The yoruba version translated it to be 'the Lord is the shepherd of my sheep', -'Oluwa ni olusho aguntan mi' which should have read 'Oluwa ni olusho emi aguntan re'.

We find this sort of discrepancies in many translations, that is why I say it is better to stick with the KJV.

Moreover, we have expository dictionaries and tools that also employ the use of KJV for complete understanding of every word.



They, the eleven. After Acts 12, a new Apostle started a ministry of grace. His name is Paul, he became the harbinger of the gospel that we must believe to be saved(1 cor 15:1).

The bible called him the Apostle to the Gentiles. He did not bring a gospel of casting out demons but a gospel of God unto salvation by God's grace. He never taught us how to cast out devils neither did he teach us how to speak in tongues.

vooks:
My brother,
I don't know no Yoruba, just used the language for illustration. may be some day you could teach me some

About KJV, there are also many discrepancies therein; they have the word Easter in Acts, call Holy Spirit IT as if He is an object in ROmans and so forth. You and I are KJV lovers but the difference is I never hesitate reading other versions because I know the translators are fallible just as fallible as those behind other versions. SO I don't idolize one translation and elevate it above others. BTW, the KJV itself has undergone editing. AM sure you can't possibly read a 1611 version if your life depended on it


I don't know what gospel it is of casting out demons. I do know of Mark. Let's read mark

Mark 16:17 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

I also know that forty days after these words, believers were speaking in tongues and casting out demons. Were they were engaging in your 'gospel of casting demons'?

Once again quit ignoring my question. Can a 2014 believer (like you) cast out demons?

I was not sent to cast out demons . The power to cast out demons is in God's hands. I have been sent to preach the gospel of the death, burial and ascension of Jesus Christ.


I know Apostle Paul isn't the Apostle to the Hebrews, not only because of what happened between him Cephas and James in Galatians 2 but because he said it himself that he was primarily sent to the gentiles.
Romans 11
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Personally, I think Paul wrote that book of Hebrew, some say Luke did, no one can be too sure.

My brother, now we are onto the authorship of Hebrews? This is irrelevant to this topic. You are digressing. Stick to the topic

For whom was Mark 16:17 written? Who are 'them that believe'?

shdemidemi:


I was not sent to cast out demons . The power to cast out demons is in God's hands. I have been sent to preach the gospel of the death, burial and ascension of Jesus Christ.


I know Apostle Paul isn't the Apostle to the Hebrews, not only because of what happened between him Cephas and James in Galatians 2 but because he said it himself that he was primarily sent to the gentiles.
Romans 11
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Personally, I think Paul wrote that book of Hebrew, some say Luke did, no one can be too sure.

vooks:
My brother, now we are onto the authorship of Hebrews? This is irrelevant to this topic. You are digressing. Stick to the topic

For whom was Mark 16:17 written? Who are 'them that believe'?

It was written to the Jewish believers?

Those who believe what they preach.

My brother,
I was not privy to the Upper Room nor the Pentecost events and there is NO record of their prayers. You need to discard your thoughts and read the word. If theseDiasporan Jews heard the 120, then whatever the 120 were saying was audible. If I Pray audibly, the guy next to me will hear. If I pray in tongues, and a guy next to me understands the language am using, they will hear my prayers. Commonsense isn't it?

Paul says if I pray in tongues, my understanding is unfruitful EXCEPT I interpret. So I can pray in tongues without understanding what am saying but the next guy will understand because am praying in their dialect. How do you pray? If I heard you pray, would I hear you extolling God?

Let's look at a prayer recorded in Acts;
Acts 4:24- 30 (KJV)
And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is: 25 Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things? 26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. 27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, 28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done. 29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word, 30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.

If you heard this prayer, you would certainly hear God being glorified.

There is nothing for you to add save subject your traditions to the Hammer that is the Word of God.

shdemidemi:


You have said they were praying, you are yet to tell us what exactly they were praying for. Moreover, if they were to be praying why would the crowd need to understand what they were saying in their language. I taught it was suppose to be a language understood by the spirit alone.

Acts 2
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

They heard and understood what the people were saying. It did not stop there, they also grasped that it was the works of God they were speaking about.

I am not going to address this issue of praying or preaching anymore. If you disagree with me after all I have said so far, there is nothing more I can add.

So you are saying that Gentiles were not supposed to speak in other tongues nor cast out demons?

shdemidemi:


It was written to the Jewish believers?

Those who believe what they preach.

The KJV was the 13th translation. It is very close to the original manuscripts but it is not infallible.

1. God opened the understanding of the crowd of Jews and Jew proselytes to the tongues that the 120 spoke. That was the second of the two big miracles he performed that day. The first being that a large crowd could hear what 120 men and women were saying simultaneously. You and I know that is not possible.

2. The crowd containing different people from different countries and languages all stood amazed saying how strange it was that they could understand what the 120 people were saying regardless of language barriers. And they heard them praising God not testifying or witnessing per se.

3. The witnessing that God told them to do was what Peter eventually did by standing on a 'podium' and preaching to the large crowd such that 3000 people gave their hearts to the lord.

4. Unknown tongues or tongue are one and the same.

5. Casting out demons is very much for the christian to do. We are commissioned to cast out demons from anyone that has them.

vooks:
My brother,
I was not privy to the Upper Room nor the Pentecost events and there is NO record of their prayers. You need to discard your thoughts and read the word. If theseDiasporan Jews heard the 120, then whatever the 120 were saying was audible. If I Pray audibly, the guy next to me will hear. If I pray in tongues, and a guy next to me understands the language am using, they will hear my prayers. Commonsense isn't it?

Paul says if I pray in tongues, my understanding is unfruitful EXCEPT I interpret. So I can pray in tongues without understanding what am saying but the next guy will understand because am praying in their dialect. How do you pray? If I heard you pray, would I hear you extolling God?

Let's look at a prayer recorded in Acts;
Acts 4:24- 30 (KJV)
And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is: 25 Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things? 26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. 27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, 28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done. 29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word, 30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.

If you heard this prayer, you would certainly hear God being glorified.

There is nothing for you to add save subject your traditions to the Hammer that is the Word of God.

I rest my case on the issue. If you think you need to speak gibberish to get edified, Keep it up.

One of the most misguided teachings in the body of Christ is the teaching and the preaching of Pentecost and post-Pentecost. Many have stopped at the presentation of Pentecost, forcefully wanting to have the experience again and again. We want to speak with new tongues (different dialect) and some want to lay hands on people to get baptized in the Holy Ghost. Some go to the extent of having miracles, signs and wonders programs because they have read it in the book of Acts with the intention of a having a “move of the spirit”; and therefore must have a replica of what happened on that day. They give a picture of when they want God to do the miracles and at what days they don’t want the miracles. Has God moved on from the Day of Pentecost or is He still there?

Many have been frustrated at their ploy of getting things done in the Church so as to replicate that day of Pentecost. There is so much error and many have taught that the purpose of Pentecost is to continue the same act, not knowing that Pentecost had its purpose. The confusion in the body of Christ, especially when we look at the many teachings and doctrines, can only be solved when the reason and purpose of Pentecost is made clearer.

Pentecost was coined from the three feasts celebrated by the children of Israel in the Old Testament.

PASSOVER

There was feast of Passover, which signified the death of the Lord Jesus. This was when the instruction came from God to His servant Moses, instructing them about the impending visit of the angel of death. The Israelites were to put blood on the two side posts and the lintel to the entrance of their houses. This is because at the visit of the angel of death, many would be killed but the house that had the blood on their doorpost and lintel would be saved. In other words, when the angel of death visited that country and sees the blood on some of the houses, that angel will PASSOVER without inflicting death on the people in that particular house but would bring doom to those houses without the blood


PENTECOST

There was another feast called the feast of PENTECOST (Shavuot in the Hebrew), in similitude to the day of Pentecost. It was called the Feast of Weeks, Feast of harvest in the Old Testament, celebrated on the day after seven weeks of celebrating Passover, which is the fiftieth day. This was the same as the Day of Pentecost celebrated after the Lord’s death. It is traditionally a joyous time of giving thanks and presenting offerings for the new grain of the summer wheat harvest in Israel. The name “Feast of Weeks” was given because God commanded the Jews, to count seven full weeks (or 49 days) beginning on the second day of Passover, and then present offerings of new grain to the Lord as a lasting ordinance. Shavuot was originally a festival for expressing thankfulness to the Lord for the blessing of the harvest. And because it occurred at the conclusion of the Passover, it acquired the name “Latter Firstfruits.” The celebration is also tied to the giving of the Ten Commandments and thus bears the name Matin Torah or “giving of the Law.” The Jews believe that it was exactly at this time that God gave the Torah to the people through Moses on Mount Sinai.

Feast of Tabernacle.

The last Feast that was celebrated was the Feast of Tabernacle, also known as the Feast of the Ingathering. The Feast of Tabernacle, which marked the closing of the harvest season for the Jews of ancient Palestine, is today celebrated by the taking of all meals in a lightly constructed booth roofed with thatch (a sukkah) to recall the shelters of the Jews when they wandered in the wilderness. It is likened to the birth of the Church where people who have received Christ into their lives as Lord and Savior are baptized into the mystical body called the Church.

From these three feasts, we can deduce that the celebration does not stop on the Day of Pentecost but the celebration went on through to the Feast of Tabernacle. Again there was nothing carried over or injected from one feast into another; they were all stand-alone feasts celebrated as instructed.

My brother,
Mark 12:24 (KJV)
And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

Acts 2:12-13 (KJV)
And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? 13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

Jude 1:10 (KJV)
But these speak evil of those things which they know not


Some Saducees who never believed in resurrection attempted to demonstrate to Jesus the absurdity of resurrection. Read what Jesus said. The Saducees are still with us today, they know not the scriptures nor the power of God.

The Jews saw the 120 and were all amazed. Some got curious while other mocked this strange phenomena

And finally Jude tells us of those who excel in speaking of evil that which they know not.

I pray to God that you are neither a latter day Saducee, a mocking Jew nor one who insults the which he is ignorant of


Shalom my brother.

shdemidemi:


I rest my case on the issue. If you think you need to speak gibberish to get edified, Keep it up.

It is intellectual dishonesty not to quote your sources

http://lordwalkwithme.co.uk/tag/teaching/

Two questions;
1. What were the distinguishing marks of Pentecost and the accompanying feasts
3. How long did They last?

shdemidemi:
[size=4pt]One of the most misguided teachings in the body of Christ is the teaching and the preaching of Pentecost and post-Pentecost. Many have stopped at the presentation of Pentecost, forcefully wanting to have the experience again and again. We want to speak with new tongues (different dialect) and some want to lay hands on people to get baptized in the Holy Ghost. Some go to the extent of having miracles, signs and wonders programs because they have read it in the book of Acts with the intention of a having a “move of the spirit”; and therefore must have a replica of what happened on that day. They give a picture of when they want God to do the miracles and at what days they don’t want the miracles. Has God moved on from the Day of Pentecost or is He still there?

Many have been frustrated at their ploy of getting things done in the Church so as to replicate that day of Pentecost. There is so much error and many have taught that the purpose of Pentecost is to continue the same act, not knowing that Pentecost had its purpose. The confusion in the body of Christ, especially when we look at the many teachings and doctrines, can only be solved when the reason and purpose of Pentecost is made clearer.

Pentecost was coined from the three feasts celebrated by the children of Israel in the Old Testament.

PASSOVER

There was feast of Passover, which signified the death of the Lord Jesus. This was when the instruction came from God to His servant Moses, instructing them about the impending visit of the angel of death. The Israelites were to put blood on the two side posts and the lintel to the entrance of their houses. This is because at the visit of the angel of death, many would be killed but the house that had the blood on their doorpost and lintel would be saved. In other words, when the angel of death visited that country and sees the blood on some of the houses, that angel will PASSOVER without inflicting death on the people in that particular house but would bring doom to those houses without the blood


PENTECOST

There was another feast called the feast of PENTECOST (Shavuot in the Hebrew), in similitude to the day of Pentecost. It was called the Feast of Weeks, Feast of harvest in the Old Testament, celebrated on the day after seven weeks of celebrating Passover, which is the fiftieth day. This was the same as the Day of Pentecost celebrated after the Lord’s death. It is traditionally a joyous time of giving thanks and presenting offerings for the new grain of the summer wheat harvest in Israel. The name “Feast of Weeks” was given because God commanded the Jews, to count seven full weeks (or 49 days) beginning on the second day of Passover, and then present offerings of new grain to the Lord as a lasting ordinance. Shavuot was originally a festival for expressing thankfulness to the Lord for the blessing of the harvest. And because it occurred at the conclusion of the Passover, it acquired the name “Latter Firstfruits.” The celebration is also tied to the giving of the Ten Commandments and thus bears the name Matin Torah or “giving of the Law.” The Jews believe that it was exactly at this time that God gave the Torah to the people through Moses on Mount Sinai.

Feast of Tabernacle.

The last Feast that was celebrated was the Feast of Tabernacle, also known as the Feast of the Ingathering. The Feast of Tabernacle, which marked the closing of the harvest season for the Jews of ancient Palestine, is today celebrated by the taking of all meals in a lightly constructed booth roofed with thatch (a sukkah) to recall the shelters of the Jews when they wandered in the wilderness. It is likened to the birth of the Church where people who have received Christ into their lives as Lord and Savior are baptized into the mystical body called the Church.

From these three feasts, we can deduce that the celebration does not stop on the Day of Pentecost but the celebration went on through to the Feast of Tabernacle. Again there was nothing carried over or injected from one feast into another; they were all stand-alone feasts celebrated as instructed.[/size]

vooks:
It is intellectual dishonesty not to quote your sources

http://lordwalkwithme.co.uk/tag/teaching/

Two questions;
1. What were the distinguishing marks of Pentecost and the accompanying feasts
3. How long did They last?

hahaaha...

I am not being dishonest my friend. It is more of a personal property.

Wow!
Apologies sir. But I thought I saw Kun moniker here

shdemidemi:


hahaaha...

I am not being dishonest my friend. It is more of a personal property.

mbaemeka:
The KJV was the 13th translation. It is very close to the original manuscripts but it is not infallible.

1. God opened the understanding of the crowd of Jews and Jew proselytes to the tongues that the 120 spoke. That was the second of the two big miracles he performed that day. The first being that a large crowd could hear what 120 men and women were saying simultaneously. You and I know that is not possible.

Bible says they heard them speak their languages. Mba says they miraculously understood the gibberish the 120 were uttering.

mbaemeka:

2. The crowd containing different people from different countries and languages all stood amazed saying how strange it was that they could understand what the 120 people were saying regardless of language barriers. And they heard them praising God not testifying or witnessing per se.

I wonder why the multitude needed to hear them praise their God, if it isn't to testify the work of God and ultimately to bring them to the knowledge of God.

mbaemeka:

3. The witnessing that God told them to do was what Peter eventually did by standing on a 'podium' and preaching to the large crowd such that 3000 people gave their hearts to the lord.

Unfortunately, the commission to aver what they knew and saw was not only given to Peter. Peter only took to the podium to give a sermon on who the man they killed really is.

More like when evangelists preach the word to the people, they then bring them to the pastor teacher for the meat of the word.

mbaemeka:

4. Unknown tongues or tongue are one and the same.

Unknown tongue cannot be put to words, it is irrelevant to our christian walk but tongues were understandable.

mbaemeka:

5. Casting out demons is very much for the christian to do. We are commissioned to cast out demons from anyone that has them.

Hmm...

vooks:

Wow!
Apologies sir. But I thought I saw Kun moniker here

Nah..He is a different person.

Ok

shdemidemi:


Nah..He is a different person.

shdemidemi:


Bible says they heard them speak their languages. Mba says they miraculously understood the gibberish the 120 were uttering.

7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and Arabs

120 People from Galilee are talking loudly and simultaneously. How would anyone be able to tell what each man was saying even if for e.g, they all spoke in one language? Again, Parthians heard the 120 men in their own language. Medes heard the 120 men in their own language. Elamites, Judeans, Asians, Egyptians all heard the same words being spoken in THEIR own language.

You tell me how that is possible.

I wonder why the multitude needed to hear them praise their God, if it isn't to testify the work of God and ultimately to bring them to the knowledge of God.

Sorry to say, but all the men that stood around there knew God for they were Jews and Jew proselytes. There was NOTHING those men would have said in other tongues that was strange to them. The only thing that was strange apart from the miracle of each country understanding what the men were saying IN THEIR OWN language was what Peter said next about Jesus. If per adventure, the words the 120 were saying was "we bless Jesus" "We worship Jesus" the Jews would not have reported it as "they were praising God" because as far as they were concerned Jesus was not God. The witness Jesus wanted the disciples to be is the witness of his DEITY i.e that he is GOD. That is what Peter preached subsequently.

Unknown tongue cannot be put to words, it is irrelevant to our christian walk but tongues were understandable.

How can you say this?

Jude 1:20
20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,

There are some situations one can face where your natural instincts will tell you there is no way out. When you pray in tongues, the bible says you build up yourself ON YOUR MOST HOLY FAITH. In other words, praying in tongues can raise your faith to levels higher than the highest your faith has ever been before.

Ever wondered why Paul says when I pray in tongues my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful? Because many times our minds work against the leading of the spirit. I could give you an example: You could be in the office and then God shows you a vision that say someone you love is about to get into trouble or something of the sort. I assure you, you would immediately abandon that vision and start heading to the venue where you think the trouble might happen. Now when we worry, we are walking out of the will of God and God knows it. So he has given us a language that when we speak it, we are speaking forth mysteries that are according to his will yet we don't understand it ourselves and as such cannot act contrary to it or away from it. So I could be praying in tongues now and it is translated to mean that someone I know is about to get involved in an accident. You see, I don't know what I am saying, but God knows, so he rescues the person I am praying for and all looks normal. Yet if I am always praying in a known language I may not be aware of what is happening on the go and then wonder why some strange things happened to those I loved.

Praying in tongues is the better type of prayer.

mbaemeka,
You know we are usually 'enemies' but on this subject we agree.

My biggest beef with shdemidemi is that he makes way too many assumptions and is least interested in anything more that repeating them.
While we are all unique in our style, I believe that when we dwell on a contentious issue and milk it dry like the snake incidence or Paul's 'pitiable of all men' remark, there is little chance for us to miss the truth. To your credit, you never shy from defending your beliefs most of the times. That's my personal philosophy; never cling to what you can't defend

For instance,He has repeatedly stated that tongue and tongues are different things. He further constructs several premises on this claim and holds them as facts. As long as these claims go unquestioned, you won't get nowhere with him

^^^

ichuka:

My bro.you are trying so hard to equate the prophetic ministry to merrly prophecy and thats misinformation.

I didn't i just quoted a scripture, whatever meaning you read into it is your cup of tea.Scripture says a prophet prophesies but ichuka is saying otherwise.

would you call Saul a prophet because he prophesy in the OT?

The prophetic office goes beyond prophesying. I already said if you cared to read my post earlier that it entails direction, correction and judgement.Did David, Daniel, Moses, Elijah,Elisha,Jeremiah NOT prophesy in the OT?

Prophecy is jus an aspect in the ministry of a prophet.a true prophet of the NT expounds the word of God,that is declaring the FUll GOSPEL of CHRIST to th Church.

This is an erroneous and othordox assertion due to doctrines and traditions. I agree a Prophet can teach just like any believer is encouraged to teach and preach, There is no scripture in the new testament that says a prophet should OPERATE in a teacher's or pastor's gifting.

question is why would he be declaring the Gospel to thé body of Christ?.......its because the sole aim of the his ministry is for *RECOVERY* something that is lost in the begining.as it is in the OT,so it is in the NT.
Details ?maybe later.

Ok, maybe you could provide what is lost so we can learn and not mistake this unclear statements you made here. The prophet function is to GUIDE, The teacher GROUNDS, the pastor guards, the apostle GOVERNS and the evangelist GATHERS. It is simple really, rather than hold on to traditions that these gifts are non existent, let's believe the Word of God for once. Because you do not see it in your local assembly doesn't negate the reality of scriptures.

shdemidemi:


I was not sent to cast out demons . The power to cast out demons is in God's hands.

So who is the God of Paul that says Signs shall follow them that believe? Would you rather obey Paul than Jesus? Even at that Paul says you should imitate him as he imitate Christ. Paul cast out a demon from a girl with the spirit of divination in philippi and he encourage the philippians to put INTO practice what they heard from him.So who are you now following with this kind of wrong doctrines you teach? Are you afraid of devils? SMH for your kind of christianity.

Bidam my brother,
This is his response to Mark 16:17

shdemidemi:


It was written to the Jewish believers?

Those who believe what they preach.

Bidam:
So who is the God of Paul that says Signs shall follow them that believe? Would you rather obey Paul than Jesus? Even at that Paul says you should imitate him as he imitate Christ. Paul cast out a demon from a girl with the spirit of divination in philippi and he encourage the philippians to put INTO practice what they heard from him.So who are you now following with this kind of wrong doctrines you teach? Are you afraid of devils? SMH for your kind of christianity.

vooks:
Bidam my brother,
This is his response to Mark 16:17

You don't blame him, maybe he read in to the text of Acts 19:13-14. So because it wasn't on record that a gentile did not cast out devils it means christians shouldn't do the same abi?

Bidam:
Are you afraid of devils? SMH for your kind of christianity.

Thank you for asking the questions.

I am not afraid of devils: This is so because the devil is also on God's payroll. God continually use Him to fulfil a bigger picture of His purpose.

This same devil was the one God used to teach Job what was fundamentally wrong with Job. Ask yourself how they met?

This same devil was the same one God used to sift Peter as wheat.

This same devil was who God used through men to crucify the Lord of Host.

My God is always a million miles ahead of the devil. I know the end will always be similar to 'if the devil had known, he would not have crucified the lord of host', hence I do not give unnecessary attention or glory to the devil.

Bidam:
So who is the God of Paul that says Signs shall follow them that believe?

The same God who had done things quite differently in His dealings with mankind. The same one that told Peter to eat that which had been forbidden through the ages by the law.

Bidam:

Would you rather obey Paul than Jesus?

This is where the conundrum is, What makes the Words of Jesus greater than the one of Paul, did they speak from a different source.

we easily put the Words of The son over the father, but the words of the Holy Spirit is treated as inferior, simply because the Holy Spirit used a man(Paul) like us to pen it down.

My brother, the words of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit(through Paul) are one and on the same level. They must be rightly divided to know which applies to the present time.

Bidam:

Even at that Paul says you should imitate him as he imitate Christ. Paul cast out a demon from a girl with the spirit of divination in philippi and he encourage the philippians to put INTO practice what they heard from him.So who are you now following with this kind of wrong doctrines you teach?

Imitate don't mean, do as I do. It means follow my teachings as I follow the teachings I got from Christ.