PastorKun:
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Your suggestion is totally against and opposite to what christianity teaches us. No true christian would go for this option. That aside, islamic terrorism is not just a christianity versus islam thing. It's a much bigger problem than that also affecting hinduism, Buddhism and all other religions.

In islam a non muslim is an infidel irrespective of your religion but in reality infidels are only Christians. Muslims don't have issues with any other religion apart from christians. In statistics how many times have you heard that a buddah or hindu temple was attacked by muslims/terrorist ?....... Christians believing that is against their religion to took to arms against islam and terrorism is the reason terrorism will not stop.

Christians should declare war against islam and terrorism or humbly/cowardly lay down their life for muslims/terrorist to slaughter .

onetrack:


That won't change anything, because the winners will divide into different sects (sunni vs. shia; protestant vs catholic) and eventually start fighting again.

Hope you read my last statement .

May be we are saying the same thing.
Are you suggesting that the world will be a better place without religion ?.

johnydon22:

hehehehehe the christians in Central African Republic did it.. Na the muslims begin shout for help self

Thank you Mr. , Please enlighten the pastor .

PastorKun:


Unlike in Islam the Lunatic in Central African Replubic cannot justify his actions from the teachings of Christ, the bible or the apostles. If anything at all he was going directly against the teachings of Christ,so there is no basis for comparison.

He was not going against any teaching rather he was doing what jesus christ thought his deciples in the bible .
Jesus christ at a point in the bible ask his deciples to took to arms . He told them to sell their cloth and buy a sword . Mr. Research on it you will be amazed on your findings.

lightoftruth:


He was not going against any teaching rather he was doing what jesus christ thought his deciples in the bible .
Jesus christ at a point in the bible ask his deciples to took to arms . He told them to sell their cloth and buy a sword . Mr. Research on it you will be amazed on your findings.

This is a statement made in ignorance.Did you ever read from this same bible that Jesus taught in parables?Have u read the bible yourself to see his teaching were in stories and figurative expressions?
If He encouraged the same use of swords,then why did He rebuke Peter who used a sword at the time He was arrested(Matthew 26:52)?

lightoftruth:


In islam a non muslim is an infidel irrespective of your religion but in reality infidels are only Christians. Muslims don't have issues with any other religion apart from christians. In statistics how many times have you heard that a buddah or hindu temple was attacked by muslims/terrorist ?....... Christians believing that is against their religion to took to arms against islam and terrorism is the reason terrorism will not stop.

Christians should declare war against islam and terrorism or humbly/cowardly lay down their life for muslims/terrorist to slaughter .

You are very wrong here, go to India muslims constantly attack Hindus there. Islamic terrorism is against all religions including moderate muslims who don't agree with their fundamentalist views.

lightoftruth:


He was not going against any teaching rather he was doing what jesus christ thought his deciples in the bible .
Jesus christ at a point in the bible ask his deciples to took to arms . He told them to sell their cloth and buy a sword . Mr. Research on it you will be amazed on your findings.

Ignorance at it's peak, Jesus was clearly speaking in parables there otherwise quote were in scriptures the disciples used the sword to spread their message.

@empiree
Kindly refrain from mentioning my moniker in that your quarantined section of deceit as you know I can't bring myself so low as to respond to your comments there.

Meanwhile I am still waiting for your contribution to the subject matter here.

lightoftruth:


Hope you read my last statement .

May be we are saying the same thing.
Are you suggesting that the world will be a better place without religion ?.

Yes.

PastorKun:


Ignorance at it's peak, Jesus was clearly speaking in parables there otherwise quote were in scriptures the disciples used the sword to spread their message.

Must you be rude ? I don't know the ignorant one here , Keep deceiving yourself and keep interpreting the bible the way it will suit your shallow thinking . You call your self a pastor but you lack that humbleness.

Making you to understand, is like trying to make a
suicide terrorist to understand how wrong it is.


Luke 22:35-38
35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he thathath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

lightoftruth:


Must you be rude ? I don't know the ignorant one here , Keep deceiving yourself and keep interpreting the bible the way it will suit your shallow thinking . You call your self a pastor but you lack that humbleness.

Making you to understand, is like trying to make a
suicide terrorist to understand how wrong it is.


Luke 22:35-38
35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he thathath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

I asked for a verse showing were the disciples used the sword to spread their message and the best you can do is to insult and repeat the same parable? What arrogant expression of ignorance

Rilwayne001:


They should profer solution to that first before pointing fingers at us, the number of ignorant muslims that engages in all that you listed above do not constitute up to 8% of the world muslim population. this should help https://www.nairaland.com/1943131/good-manners-islam

https://www.nairaland.com/1864482/saudi-top-cleric-blasts-al-qaeda

Going by quranic injunctions, the 8% are the true muslims. How do you interpret the following:

Qur'an (8:39) - “And fight them
until there is no more Fitnah
(disbelief and polytheism: i.e.
worshipping others besides Allah)
and the religion (worship) will all
be for Allah Alone [in the whole
of the world ]. But if they cease
(worshipping others besides
Allah), then certainly, Allah is
All-Seer of what they do.”
Translation from the Noble
Quran

Qur'an (9:29) - " Fight those who
believe not in Allah nor the Last
Day, nor hold that forbidden
which hath been forbidden by
Allah and His Messenger, nor
acknowledge the religion of
Truth, (even if they are) of the
People of the Book, until they pay
the Jizya with willing submission,
and feel themselves subdued."

Qur'an (2:193) - "And fight them
until persecution is no more, and
religion be only for Allah. But if
they desist, then let there be no
hostility except against wrong-
doers." The key phrase is to
fight until "religion be only for
Allah."

Qur'an (3:83) - "Are they seeking
a religion other than Allah's,
when every soul in the heavens
and the earth has sub mitted to
Him, willingly or by
compulsion?" So much for the
earlier verse (2:256) stating that
there is "no compulsion in
religion".

PastorKun:
Caveat: This thread was opened to discuss ideas with which islamic terrorism can be brought to an end. It is not intended to denigrate islam, muslims or their prophet so any body that wants to start throwing insults or provocative statements around should please back of.

It is no news that islamic terrorism as taken a global dimension and is probably the greatest threat to world peace today. Whilst moderate muslims tell us the activities of these terrorists are un islamic, the terrorist routinely quote the quran and examples from the life of their prophet in their hadiths to justify their heinous acts. Now some of our muslim brethen tell us they are mis interpreting the quran(without giving us the right interpretation) the fact remains that these terrorists draw inspiration from books that muslims hold sacred.

The big question now is how can we stop this fundamentalism that a growing number of muslims believe is integral to their religion with proofs from their most sacred books?

*should their sacred books be edited to reflect modern realities?
*should the religion be reformed as president sisi suggested?
*should there be a massive global campaign to enlighten all muslims why these teac0hings in their sacred books are wrong(thus discredit ing the whole religion)
*should we christians channel all our resources to massive global evangelism(instead of using church resources for private jets and other profanities) to bring these terrorists to christ by preaching the truth to them?

All views devoid of insults are welcome, I would especially like to hear from my muslim brethen (empire and rilwayne001) their views on ending global islamic terrorism.

first of all why are they fighting?

Rich4god:
there is something I have always asked myself.... in this world, there are more about 5 major religion. but all of them can cohabit with each other peacefully except with Islam. Rilwayne plz answer this.

how can satan fight himself.whether christain,hindu,buddhist,… they are all allies of satan with one mission;oppose the truth Al-Islam.

tartar9:
how can satan fight himself.whether christain,hindu,buddhist,… they are all allies of satan with one mission;oppose the truth Al-Islam.

lolz.... this is d most hilarious and thing I have heard today. Are you related to basket mouth or wat. if devil is wat you defined him to be by attributing him to Christians, Buddhist and co, then that devil is a hundred times better and more human than the hallah you guys worship.

tartar9:
how can satan fight himself.whether christain,hindu,buddhist,… they are all allies of satan with one mission;oppose the truth Al-Islam.

wat truth do you guys have. the truth of killing innocent people, raping women, burning oda religion places. the first truth any religion shld hv is leaving in peace with people from other faith.

This is what the Bible says concerning the descendants of Ishmael, Genesis 16:12: 'He (Ishmael) will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."

So going by the bible prophesy above, Islamic terrorism will never stop. The descendants of Ishmael (the mohammedan arabs) will forever be at logger-head with his brothers (especially the Jews and the christians).

Rich4god:
wat truth do you guys have. the truth of killing innocent people, raping women, burning oda religion places. the first truth any religion shld hv is leaving in peace with people from other faith.

go to sambisa and tell abubaker shekau that one.

oya continue

true2god:
This is what the Bible says concerning the descendants of Ishmael, Genesis 16:12: 'He (Ishmael) will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."

So going by the bible prophesy above, Islamic terrorism will never stop. The descendants of Ishmael (the mohammedan arabs) will forever be at logger-head with his brothers (especially the Jews and the christians).

was there anything like Islamic 'terrorism' some years back.the arabs where living in peace not untill the judeo-christain criminality which is the root cause of all the wars that are going on there and who have lived in hostility more if not the judeo-christain alliance that have invaded and made war with every single nation on this earth and even more amongst themselves

tartar9:
go to sambisa and tell abubaker shekau that one.

you just ended up showing an example of a Muslim who is supposedly representing the truth of Islam.

Rich4god:
you just ended up showing an example of a Muslim who is supposedly representing the truth of Islam.

out of the 1.7 billion Muslims he is the one that now represents the truth abi.smh

tartar9:
was there anything like Islamic 'terrorism' some years back.the arabs where living in peace not untill the judeo-christain criminality which is the root cause of all the wars that are going on there and who have lived in hostility more if not the judeo-christain alliance that have invaded and made war with every single nation on this earth and even more amongst themselves

You seem not to understand the violent nature of Islam. As at the late 18th century christians were paying jizya in Turkish ottoman empire.

In europe, do you know that muslim forces invaded and occupied spain and portugal , southern france, part of italy, occupied greece, attacked and stopped at vienna? It wasnt too long that muslims were expelled from europe because of their violent nature.

Spain, italy, portugal, and france militarily defeated muslim turks from western europe during the period of catholic inqusition again muslim invaders. And with the current muslim jihadist attacks on europe, they will soon be expelled again, the momentum is gathering and most of europe are tired of muslim mass migration with their (muslims) special demands from the host countries assisting them free from war and poverty.

In african, uthman fodio forces invaded the hausa community of northern nigeria and impose caliphate on the indiginous hausa people. In borno, the same result by kanem borno.

In mali, the Islamic tuareg had been rampagin the entire mali in order to establish Islam by force on the entire population (depite the fact that mali had already been conqured for islam).

In somalia, al-shabab are terrorizing. In nigeria boko haram are killing and kidnapping.

But you know what, civilized world will soon rise against Islamic savagery and there will be no hiding place for Islamic terrorism ordainded from the quran (quran 9:5; quran 9:29-30).

tartar9:
out of the 1.7 billion Muslims he is the one that now represents the truth abi.smh

more like he is among the few that have the balls to represent the truth of Islam... she na wetin u want...

tartar9:
was there anything like Islamic 'terrorism' some years back.the arabs where living in peace not untill the judeo-christain criminality which is the root cause of all the wars that are going on there and who have lived in hostility more if not the judeo-christain alliance that have invaded and made war with every single nation on this earth and even more amongst themselves

Tartar9 the lies u tell ur self are incredible. .. Dont u see the flaw in your statement. .


Islamic terrorism has always been in the word since islam's inventor died. .

After the great Schism. . The sunnis have always killed the shias, alwaites, ahmediyya etc. You Muslims have terrorized christains And jews for over 1 thousand years. .u only rest Fr om killing and switch to prosecution when the christains are paying jizyah. You Muslims murdered all the pagans on the middle east and North Africa. . U Muslims almost conquered europe if not for the crusades. ..u Muslims terrorized and destroyed Constantinople and the byzantine empire.
Islam is terrorism and terrorism is Islam. ..

It's even on your quran. .
Qur'an 3:151
Soon shall we cast TERROR into the hearts of the unbelievers, for that they joined companion with Allah...

Mohammed was the original terrorist.

Tartar9 why are u still a muslim

Ifeann you know what, with the muslim bad behaviours worldwide, and especially in western europe, the muslims will soon be expelled again (just as they were expelled before, back to their root in the arabian world).

They (muslims) are fighting the battles they can never win. It is an effontry and a slap to the european that small muslim minorities are giving them serios security challenges and sleepless nights in their own countries. Most of them are already protesting against islam (like PEGIDA and EDL) and the need to expel muslims back to their arabian desert.

Prez Sisi, being very smart and wise, have seen the handwriting on the wall and technically warned muslims to reconsider the violent text in the quran so that Islam will not permanently war against the rest of mankind, but many fanatics wont listen. The expulsion of arab muslims from europe by the spaniards will be a child's play when the entire europe decide to put a final stop to the muslim problems.

Nairaland muslims can continue shouting that 'Islam is the religion of peace' while ISIS, boko haram, al shabab, al qaeda, hizbolla, the muslim brotherhoods, etc, continue cutting their victims' throats.

true2god:
Ifeann you know what, with the muslim bad behaviours worldwide, and especially in western europe, the muslims will soon be expelled again (just as they were expelled before, back to their root in the arabian world).

They (muslims) are fighting the battles they can never win. It is an effontry and a slap to the european that small muslim minorities are giving them serios security challenges and sleepless nights in their own countries. Most of them are already protesting against islam (like PEGIDA and EDL) and the need to expel muslims back to their arabian desert.

Prez Sisi, being very smart and wise, have seen the handwriting on the wall and technically warned muslims to reconsider the violent text in the quran so that Islam will not permanently war against the rest of mankind, but many fanatics wont listen. The expulsion of arab muslims from europe by the spaniards will be a child's play when the entire europe decide to put a final stop to the muslim problems.

Nairaland muslims can continue shouting that 'Islam is the religion of peace' while ISIS, boko haram, al shabab, al qaeda, hizbolla, the muslim brotherhoods, etc, continue cutting their victims' throats.

I agree with most of what u said but I have to make some points.

Muslims can't be expelled like in the crusades. Political correctness has destroyed the common sense of many of those European law makers

Sadly Its too late for countries like Germany, Spain and France ... They will become muslim majority countries in a few decades time. The studies and data have shown it. The birth rate of the indigenous folks are to low and the birth rate of the immigrated Muslims are too high coupled with polygamy. Britian is also at very high risk.. I have lived there before, the Muslims are everywhere... They make delicious chicken and lamb kebabs by the way. Anyway Europe is in trouble.

There is hope tho, Africans pushed agaisnt Islam this is why only "Arab like" north Africans are the dominant Muslims in Africa. Islam was everywhere in Africa thanks to people like usman Dan fidio who beheaded hausas and fulanis till they said the shahadda and accepted the anti Christ .

However, America is safe because of the Mexicans trooping in illegally to steady the declining US population. Though the number of Muslims is steadily growing it is not a significant threat.

Europe will fall to the Muslims but what do u expect. They turned their back on Christ. A lot of them are hedonistic atheists. Churchs are being converted to mosques and some to night clubs. I was heartbroken when I saw some of these with my own eyes.

Anyway that's it my friend we need to pray. Pls draw my attention to any research with good news on the situation.

except France starts taking drastic action, they will be the first to be over ran by myslims . anoda is Italy, though its still far ahead, but the way Italy is welcoming Muslim migrant dem Somalia and not africa I foresee such happening. How many core Muslim countries like Saudis would open its border to mass influx of non Muslims.

lightoftruth:


Must you be rude ? I don't know the ignorant one here , Keep deceiving yourself and keep interpreting the bible the way it will suit your shallow thinking . You call your self a pastor but you lack that humbleness.

Making you to understand, is like trying to make a
suicide terrorist to understand how wrong it is.


Luke 22:35-38
35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he thathath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Oh Jesus, the great son of God is a wonderful teacher...
He allows things to happen in order to educate us naughty humans.

Pastorkun If that verse he quoted didn't happen how would we have known about this beautiful and ever green quote.

“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. “ Matthew 26:52

Mohammed says fight and kill and rape and take slaves and have sex with sex slaves and breastfeed adults and sleep with children and retaliate and behead and slay

Christ says Put your sword back in its place for all who draw the sword will die by the sword

Mohamed slew the family of the Jewish woman that later poisoned him. If only he put back his sword in its place.


The more u question my faith the more I learn and know that Islam is pure falsehood.

Ifeann:



Tartar9 the lies u tell ur self are incredible. .. Dont u see the flaw in your statement. .


Islamic terrorism has always been in the word since islam's inventor died. .

After the great Schism. . The sunnis have always killed the shias, alwaites, ahmediyya etc. You Muslims have terrorized christains And jews for over 1 thousand years. .u only rest Fr om killing and switch to prosecution when the christains are paying jizyah. You Muslims murdered all the pagans on the middle east and North Africa. . U Muslims almost conquered europe if not for the crusades. ..u Muslims terrorized and destroyed Constantinople and the byzantine empire.
Islam is terrorism and terrorism is Islam. ..

It's even on your quran. .
Qur'an 3:151
Soon shall we cast TERROR into the hearts of the unbelievers, for that they joined companion with Allah...

Mohammed was the original terrorist.

Tartar9 why are u still a muslim

as usual LIES!

Ifeann:



I agree with most of what u said but I have to make some points.

Muslims can't be expelled like in the crusades. Political correctness has destroyed the common sense of many of those European law makers

Sadly Its too late for countries like Germany, Spain and France ... They will become muslim majority countries in a few decades time. The studies and data have shown it. The birth rate of the indigenous folks are to low and the birth rate of the immigrated Muslims are too high coupled with polygamy. Britian is also at very high risk.. I have lived there before, the Muslims are everywhere... They make delicious chicken and lamb kebabs by the way. Anyway Europe is in trouble.

There is hope tho, Africans pushed agaisnt Islam this is why only "Arab like" north Africans are the dominant Muslims in Africa. Islam was everywhere in Africa thanks to people like usman Dan fidio who beheaded hausas and fulanis till they said the shahadda and accepted the anti Christ .

However, America is safe because of the Mexicans trooping in illegally to steady the declining US population. Though the number of Muslims is steadily growing it is not a significant threat.

Europe will fall to the Muslims but what do u expect. They turned their back on Christ. A lot of them are hedonistic atheists. Churchs are being converted to mosques and some to night clubs. I was heartbroken when I saw some of these with my own eyes.

Anyway that's it my friend we need to pray. Pls draw my attention to any research with good news on the situation.

Though i agree that Islamic terrorism is on the rise, i see it as the last act of a dying man out of desperation. Truth be told Islam is on the decline globally. In Nigeria alone thousands of muslims are renouncing islam on a regular basis though not everyone of them is open about it especially in the north because of the evil apotasy laws. Think of it, even based on what you are revealing about islam on this forum alone, do you know how many muslims would realise they have been mis led and renounce the religion? A lot of so called muslims in europe have actually renounced the faith, they are actually just acting along because of the cultural issues attached to publicly renouncing islam. A good number of them are now closet Atheist and christians. We are in the information era and people just can't be held back by barbaric 7th century beliefs.

Back to the topic, it's a shame that muslims who claim to be against terrorism and who understand islam and the thinking of these terrorist better than the rest of us have not been able to proffer solutions to this menace. Could it be that taking steps to stop these terrorist would be going against the core tenets of Islam like some have claimed? Or why are our muslim brethen reluctant to suggest solutions to this problem?

I believe the best solution to this problem would come from muslims as they understand their religion better and any solution coming from non muslims would be viewed with suspicion or rejected outright.