BIBLESPEAKS:



You say my questions are weak?

Ànd you cnt even answer them properly. Did you see only God the father? What of the other persons? God the son and God the Holy spirit?

You must think if your exact wording is not in the bible then it is not true,
like I said your questions are weak.

Using your reasoning, is the wording "Michael is Jesus Christ" in the Bible?
I will answer for you, No it is not,
so then Michael is not Jesus Christ.

And he isn't by the way.

johnw74:


You must think if your exact wording is not in the bible then it is not true,
like I said your questions are weak.

Using your reasoning, is the wording "Michael is Jesus Christ" in the Bible?
I will answer for you, No it is not,
so then Michael is not Jesus Christ.

And he isn't by the way.

As usual, you bring up another issue when you're stuck.

John 1:1 Never proves that jesus is God. Two persons are mentioned there - The word(jesus) and God(YHWH).

Appleyard:


Dead wrong!

I have already addressed who is the Father, and who is Jesus, in similar posts here. So i wont waste the time going all over that again. Please, feel free to search them out.

But one thing you must understtand is that. THERE IS NEVER ANYWHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT THERE ARE THREE PERSONS MERGING TO BECOME ONE GOD. When you say this, you are making God A LIAR, and God can not Lie! Num.23vs19.

How?

Jesus made it it clear that, they Samaritans (representing the Gentiles in General) does'nt know what they are worshiping;

John 4:22 ►
You worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.''

what this meant is that, the Jews knew more than we do, the God that we claim to be worshiping today. The only difference is that, they were blinded in part to pave the way for us to be grafted into the body, buy adoption, through faith in Jesus Christ. Otherwise, the Jews knew that you can't chop their God into three dinstinct persons, and merge them together to become ONE.

Thus, in Deut.6vs4, the Grand commandment was given: ''hear O Isreal; the Lord thy God is ONE LORD'' not two, not three in one,
BUT ONE!

The jews understand this perfectly well!

The terms Father, is not a name, Son, is not a name, Holy Ghost, is not a name. They are TITLES OF THE SAME ENTITY CHARACTERIZING THE DISPENSATIONAL MANIFESTATION OF THAT ENTITY.

For instance, a man becomes a father at home cause he has children, then in the office, he is a manager, and to his immediate parents, he is a son. But father, manager, and son, does not make up his name. Rather they are titles he derived from the very responsibility of each of the positions he finds himself. He has a name by which his parents know him by.
That is how the nature of God constitutes. In the old tesament, he was identified by many titles, such as jehova-Jireh, Jehovah Elohim, El-shaida, The I Am, the Lord thy God, and so on..
For in the Old, He manifested as Jehovah the Father, God above us. In the Gospels, he came as The Son, Emmanuel God with us, and in the Acts of the Apostles down to this Age, He became The Holy Soirit, God in Us!
All three manifestation of One Entity.
Father Son, Holy Ghost were Not His name. They were Titles.

Now, what is his name then? Well, THE NAME OF THE FATHER IS JESUS.

John.5vs43

THE NAME OF THE SON IS JESUS!

Matt.1vs21.

And, THE NAME OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS JESUS!

Now, watch it: John 14vs16,

'l (this spoken Word that has become Flesh) *will pray the FATHER, (The Deity in the Begining who spoke the Word that became Flesh) *and He shall Give you (the desciples and all those that would subsequently believe in Him later on) '*another Comforter (meaning He was the First comforter to them as long as He was with them, and this promised other comforter is the Original nature of that Deity back in Genesis') --*and He will be with you forever.''

Now, watch it;

John.14vs26--


......the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send IN MY NAME.....''

what is the Name of the Holy Spirit Now, nothing BUT JESUS! Oh gloroius God!

And check this; wasn't He suppose to leave so that the comforter can come? Behold the shocker!

Verse 18.. '' I will not leave you (the desciples, and all that will thereafter believe in Him) Comfortless; I WILL COME TO YOU.

Who came back?

BOOM! JESUS IS THAT SAME COMFORTER!.

FUrthermore, the Entity Jehovah in the Old have these to say,and He can not lie;

I am He, before me there was no God, neither can there be after me...Isaiah 43vs10

then why are some of you trying to force another god inside of Him?

....is there a God beside me? , yea, there is no God, i know not any?....Isaiah.44vs8.

Why are you then adding to him?

Now, in Isaiah.40vs1-5, and 35vs3-6, He Jehovah promise that Himself will come to his people for salvation. The jews understand this and where waiting on Him. But when He came, they could not detect Him as d SAVIOUR, because He hid himself (partial blindness to d traditional Jews, so that salvation could come to you and me, the Gentiles,) Isaiah 45vs15, Rom.11vs 25.
And so, when He jesus eventually came and refer back to what he was telling them in the old, they took up stones to stone Him, why? Not because He was from God, but because HE MAKETH HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD. How? Because the Jews know that THE SON OF GOD MEANS GOD HIMSELF. For they knew correctly that THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, not two or three dinstinct persons making one.
They were right, and that was why they wanted to Kill Him, but they were wrong because THEY DIDNT KNOW THIER GOD HAD TAKING THE FORM OF MAN, even when he was given them the expo!.

its interesting how your understanding of the Holy Trinity is, let's look at the same bible verse you quoted in John 14:26 amplified version "26.But the Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, Standby), the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send in My name [in My place, to represent Me and act on My behalf], He will teach you all things. And He will cause you to recall (will remind you of, bring to your remembrance) everything I have told you." so the Spirit who was sent by God the Father is to represent Christ and act on His behalf. Have you forgotten He also said the Holy Spirit shall not speak on its own that what He hears from the Father is what the Holy Spirit must say. Now we pray to the Father (not the son) in the name of the Son. We don't pray to Jesus in the name of Jesus but rather the Father in the name of Jesus. The Lord in Mathew 12:31-32 said whosoever sins against the Son of man which is Christ shall be forgiven him but whosoever sins against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven. That is why the name of the Spirit is Holy Spirit, it does not entertain foolishness or stupidity or sin, its the Spirit of the Most high God. You will better understand it this way, God created us in His image and likeness, even though there's a lot to explain on that topic alone I will stick to what I'm about to say, so God said in Genesis 1:26 amplified version "26. God said, Let Us [Father, Son, and Holy Spirit] make mankind in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have complete authority over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the [tame] beasts, and over all of the earth, and over everything that creeps upon the earth. [Ps. 104:30; Heb. 1:2; 11:3.]" now can you see how amplified puts it? The us there is the Trinity, and God created us in His likeness by making us also three in one. We have a Spirit,Soul and Body. Now let's look at the trinity, the Body is the Father who sits in heaven, the soul or the word or the intellectual part of God is Christ and the Holy Spirit is His Spirit, same with us, our body is the physical state, our soul is our mind and intellectual part (and that is why we must renew our minds by the word of God) and our spirit is our spiritual state or the inner man. It takes the Holy Spirit to reveal this things to you. I think you should take your time and ask the Lord to help you understand.

Appleyard:



Wrong! The word was with God is not two persons! This is where most of you confuse yourselves.
When the bible said ''in the begining was the word....,'' where was the Word then? In THE BEGINING (Gen.1vs1-2,) ---now, we must understand something here.. What is a word? A WORD IS A THOUGHT EXPRESSED! Before you alter a word, it is first a thought in you, and it can never become a word unless you have altered it out. Now-- ''and the Word was with God'-- the word that comes out of you is always with you, it was a thought in you and emanates from inside of you to the open, whenever you deem it fit to alter it. It does not come from somewhere else.
** '' and the Word was God,''--- your thought is you, and when it becomes a word, IT IS YOU!
You are not different from your word. Though you are superior to your word (in the sense that it emanated from you,) you are not different from your word.

That was the mystery as enshrined in John 1vs1-3 viz the creation in Gen.1vs1-3. Back then in the begining, the earth was void and without form, and ''the spirit of God was moving upon the face of the water.'' what does that tell you? God was calculating (in THOUGHT) within Him what to do about the voidness and formlessNess of the earth. And in vs 3, it went 'BOOM! FOR THE THOUGHT Started becoming A WORD which brought out everything that is today, and THE WORD OF GOD IS NOT, AND WAS NOT (coroborating John 1vs1) DIFFERENT FROM GOD! For by it (His own thoughts becoming word,) all things were made, as stated in John 1vs3. The Word of God is God Himself!
Not the other way round!

Now, having put this to rest, the next thing we must consider is, WHO IS God or what is God?

Simple! God is an OBJECT OF WORSHIP. God is not a name but rather, a deity. This God we are talking about is a Spirit being (John 4vs24,) and this Spirit which is the original nature of God, is Holy (the Holy Spirit.) Therefore, the term 'God' is the deity, Holy spirit, 'the original nature of this deity and, ' the Word', is the Spoken Thought' of this Holy Deity!
That is it! The unmistakable character of ONE BEING, not three distinct beings in one.

Now, it is worthy of note that from the begining, all things were created by this SPOKEN THOUGHT OF GOD, except one thing-- MAN! Man was the only creature that was not formed directly by the spoken word of God, rather, he was formed by God's own productive hand-craftship, from the soil of the earth.
The only being that was formed by the direct Spoken Word of God is JESUS! THE ONLY WORD OF GOD THAT WAS MADE FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US (John 1vs14,) --
'' and we beheld his 'glory' (this wonderful thing, this mystery,) as of the ONLY BEGOTTEN--(the only human-being that was formed expressly by the SPOKEN WORD OF GOD, without sperm)--of the 'FATHER,' (that is, the originator of the Word, the owner of the Thought spoken to become Flesh.) hahahaha. Halleluyah!
This is the greatest mystery of all. The THOUGHT of God spoken to become WORD, and the WORD becoming FLESH, IS ALL CHARACTERISTICS AND DISPENSATIONAL MANIFESTATION OF ONE BEING, (as stated in 1st Tim.3vs16,) THAT SELF-SAME BEING THAT WAS MOVING UPON THE WATER BACK THEN IN GENESIS. ONE GOD ALL THE TIME.

Thus this WORD-FLESH now dwelling among men, is 100% God, and 100% Man. And since he came for the purpose of salvation, He had to lay the example for us to follow.. Therefore, as a man, He was hungry, as a man, he must have an ultimate (the Father-the Logos for the Son-the Word, His own Word). Thus when he talks, prays, gives sermons and preached, he always refer back to the Logos-originator, the source from whence He-the Word actually emanated-as 'The Father,' whom is not different fron His own Word.

Thus,



the Spirit that walk upon the water became Known as father upon creating all things. And the Word by which He created all things became FLESH for the purpose of salvation, thus becoming the Son. The work of the same Spirit Being all the time.



It never said there are three Gods-God the father, God the Son And God the Holy Spirit.. Thus, this is what it meant;

''there are 3 that bears RECORD (not records. And what records? Nothing but the testimonial manifestations of God's power of SALVATION, REDEMPTION AND EVENTUAL JUDGEMENT of all things) 'the Father' is d OWNER of the 'WORD,' and the Holy Ghost is the ACTUAL NATURE OF GOD dat gave the WORD life.

The attributes of ONE BEING!

it is good you have made a lot of study into this even though you misinterpreted most of what you said but let's just say I want to believe you, kindly answer these few questions to convince me. (And don't tell me that Christ was referring to the word of God which He came from, that's just wrong).

1. Who spoke from heaven in mathew 3:17 and said this is my beloved Son,in whom I am well pleased?

2. Who spoke out of the clouds in Luke 9:35 saying this is My beloved Son, hear Him?

3. Who was Jesus praying to in John 17? From vs 1, Jesus mentioned the name of the Father, and in vs 5 Jesus asked the Father to glorify Him with the same glory He had with the Father before the world was created. Christ said He was with the Father before the world was created,He didn't say He was the Father.

4.In Philippians 2:9-11. Paul said God has exalted Christ and has given Him a name above ever other name that at the mention of the name Jesus every knee must bow and every tongue should confess that Jesus is the Lord,to the glory of God the Father. Now who is the God that exalted Christ? Will God give Himself a name and glory in it again?

5.in John 14:23, Jesus said if a man love me, he will keep. My words and my Father will love him and We will come unto him and make our abode with him. Why would Jesus use We here? Why didn't He say and I will come unto him?

6. In John 4:20, the Lord said we shall know that He is in the Father and we are in Him and He(by the Spirit) is in us. Now if Christ is in us does that mean that we are Jesus Christ? Christ saying He's in the Father does not make Him the Father. Anyway just answer it.

7. In John 14:6 Christ said He's the Way the truth and the life and no one can come to the Father but by Him. Who is the Father here?

Now I know you would say but the Lord said anyone who has seen the Father has seen me. In vs 10 the Lord said He is in the Father and the Father in Him and it's the Father (which is the Holy Spirit) that dwelleth in Him and does the work. Now if you say it's not the Holy Spirit that dwells in Christ then why would He again say in vs 12 that He's going to the Father? My dear brother, you should understand what Christ meant by anyone who sees Him sees the Father. Pls answer th questions and we will continue.

Appleyard:



Good!
Thank you for ur comments. Now, i will state my position and elaborate on what the biblical concept of the Godhead is all about. There is only one God who manifested in three different dispensations', and with multiple titles. The churches 'traditionally' believe 3 seperate or distinct persons in one God. This was as a result of d scriptural mentioning and deifying of d Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Consequently, the fourth century meeting of the Nicene council (as at when rome, through emperor constatine,was ruling the world) was to place them under d trinitarian definitions. This concept ,through d power of Roman Catholic, church swept throughout the christian faith and has become so embedded in christianity to d extent that to question its validity is immediate heresy.

The church today has lost d revelation that the one God, Jehovah, expressed himself in the old testament as the ''Father,'' God above us', in d Gospels manifested as 'the Son', God with us', and in the book of Acts-unto this age as 'the Holy Spirit,God in us'. Not three persons but one glorious personage, as wonderfully unveiled in Hebrews 13.

Now, my first take is that THE JEHOVAH OF THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE SAME JESUS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.
Yes, God throughout d old testament did not have a body,but appear in different forms to d people, such as d 'burning bush' to Moses, the cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night. God being a spirit (John 4vs24) hath, before d foundation of d world, foreseen d fall of man by d transgression of Adam and Eve, and He required a perfect atonement, a sacrificial lamb, to redeem man from his fallen state, by the shedding of 'blood' (Hebrews 922). It takes blood to pay the penalty for sin yet, no man, no angel, no priest or animal, was found worthy to redeem man. Therefore, God, since there is no saviour beside Him (isaiah 43vs11, 3. Isaiah 45vs22. Hosea 13vs4,) must then do it Himself, in order to show that He is the only 'redeemer'.

But then God knew He, as God, could not die and bleed in d Spirit, for a spirit has no flesh and bones. His own law required blood for an atonement, and for Him to fulfil his plan of salvation, He had to put on a veil of flesh, to taste death and pay d penalty for His own law to justify the ungodly. God started to make d promise dat He would come down to save and restore mankind back to him. In Isaiah 35 vs 3-6, he said,
''your God will come (to this earth) to save you (the jews and as many more that would thereafter believe in Him,) and the eyes of d blind will be open, the deaf will hear, the lame will walk,and d dumb shall speak'...
all these are to happen when this Jehovah God(been the only Saviour) 'wil' come.

Now, did this promise came to pass? Yes, it did because God never lies or fail in His promises. In John 1 vs 29, John (who never knew Jesus before but being guided by d spirit) testified by declaring Jesus as ''the lamb of God which taketh away d sins of d world''.. This mean that, by revelation, John knew who Jesus was and He subsequently baptized Him.
But it became interesting that this same John later in Mattew 11 vs 2, sent two of his desciples to ask Jesus, ''are u the One that is to come or are we to look for another?'.
Now why did John asked that conflicting and confusing question when he had already bare record of Him (Jesus) as stated in John1 vs 29?
Well, the reply Jesus gave unto john's desciples in verses 4 and 5 of d same mattew 11, answers any such thoughts, and clearly fulfilled the promise in Isaiah 35 vs 3-6, for 'the lame walked,the blind saw, the deaft heard...''

What this mean is that Jehovah actually came anf fulfilled His words and His plan of salvation as written in 1Timothy 3vs16.
When was God(Jehovah) manifested in the flesh? It was when Jesus Christ was born through a woman without any sexual act but it was God Himself making both hemoglobin egg cells in d wonb of mary, God Himself taking the nature of man. Jesus Christ was d flesh of God, none order than God Himself creating a body of His own. That Body was called 'the Son', while d Spirit which is d original nature of God indwelling the Body, was the 'Father'. Not two Gods now but God veiling Himself in FLESH. Thats the reason why Jesus was called 'Emmanuel' meaning 'God with us', God dwelling with men. When d Father decided to come down as our saviour, He put on a robe of flesh and planted Himself, as a seed, in d womb of mary. This seed was to produce d flesh and blood of the Body He would dwell in as the Son, Jesus Christ.
The name Jesus means 'Jehovah has become our saviour'.


To be continued....

I will continue to say that you have done a good job of studying but most of things said in your post are all misinterpreted. We Christians blv that God is one. And God which is one is made up of 3, the Father,Son and Holy Spirit, the same way you are one and made up of 3, the Spirit,Soul and Body. So let me ask you this, how do you pray? Do you pray to God in the name of Jesus? Or you don't pray using the name of Jesus.

[quote]One God not one person,
the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, does not equal one person but three.

The below verse shows the three persons of God together at the same time.

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when He had been baptized, went up immediately out of the water. And lo, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting upon Him.
Mat 3:17 And lo, a voice from Heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. [/qoute]

Hahahahhaahah!! Oh, dear brothers of Little Faith and spiritual understanding! Actually, i have been waiting for this, for it seems that those of you that are Unitarians and Trinitarians can't do without it.

So you don't know that the God whom you claim to serve is UNLIMITED? That He is OMNIPRESENT? That He can be at a place DOING TWO OR MORE DIFFERENT THINGS AT THE SAME TIME? And that He has demonstrated this ATTRIBUTE BEFORE AND AGAIN?

Oh my! Here we go! Let the scriptures teach you the greatest MYSTERY EVER!:p. At the end, conclude for yourself, but the TRUTH CAN NEVER BE CHANGE!

In Nehemiah 9 vs 13;

''13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:''

Wow! Do you get that? 'Thou' (God)* camest upon Mount Sinai, 'and' (the word 'and' is a connecting clause, connecting the formal-Mount Sinai, and the Latter-Heaven)* - spakest with them from HEAVEN!

Boom!

GOD CAME DOWN UPON MOUNT SINAI, AND AT THE SAME TIME, HE WAS SPEAKING FROM HEAVEN!

Oh, Lord of Glory! What was that?

That was God ACTING TWO THINGS AT THE SAME TIME! Can you beat that? hahhahaa..

That is your God. Who never can be measured in attributes and character. For who can search His understanding? For He is unlimited in POWER and DEEDS!

Now, that is just one of such act of the Self-same God. He did it again, and this time, IT WAS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT!

Pls, dont hold your breath yet!

John. 3vs13;

''And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,even the Son of man which is in heaven.''

Do you get that? It is Jesus speaking here, and HE CAN NOT LIE! He said that:

'no man have ascended to heaven at anytime, BUT HE THAT CAME DOWN DROM HEAVEN--(who came down from heaven? Is it not Jesus?)*--, even the Son of Man WHICH IS IN HEAVEN!

Who is the Son of man? JESUS! Where was He when he was making this statement? EARTH! But where did He say the Son Of Man is while making that statement? IN HEAVEN!

Hahahahaha glory glory glory hahhelluyah..

Jesus just confirmed His omnipresent nature. HE WAS ON EARTH HERE MANIFESTING HIS SALVATION MINISTRY, AND AT THE SAME TIME, HE IS (present tense) IN HEAVEN
SEATING ON HIS THRONE..

Oh my oh my! No wonder Brother Paul shouted 'GREAT IS THE MYSTERY...(1Tim.3vs16). He is truely awesome.

So, that is our God, coming from the water (the FLESH,) the dove descending (THE SPIRIT LIVING IN THAT FLESH,) and the voice (signifying the unlimited capability of that DEITY,) to manifest as it likes.
No wonder he said;

''my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither my ways your ways''
Isaiah 55 vs 8-9.

You can't fathom His ability!

All manifestation attributes of ONE BEING, NOT THREE IN ONE.

Just as a man comprises of a Body, Soul and Spirit, three aspect of the man. But that does not make him three persons.

So is God! And we have seen it now, proven by scriptures itself. God interpretes His own word and actions.

As a Flesh, He set down the example; HUMILITY, For the rest that would believe in him to follow. Thus;

as a Flesh(man), he thought it not robbery to be equal with God.. But in reality, He is that God.

-- He became hungry as a man. But in reality, He is the bread of life, and even fed five thousand plus many left-overs.

-- He was tired as a man, but in reality, His dominion knows no bound, and He is the creator of all things.

-- as a man, the flesh needs an ultimate, which is the spirit. And so, when He prays, complained, and so on: it is only an example, a precedent, that all men should follow when faced with diverse challenges and conditions. That is, cry to God.
For in reality, he is not weak. he is that the same spirit- almighty God-Rev.1vs11.

He is the everlasting Father.

And He is never weary!


One Being all the time!


CAN SOMEBODY SHOUT GLORY TO JESUS!

BIBLESPEAKS:



As usual, you bring up another issue when you're stuck.

Not stuck on anything, but it is natural for jw to lie.

John 1:1 Never proves that jesus is God. Two persons are mentioned there - The word(jesus) and God(YHWH).

John 1:1 ...and the Word was God.

jw bible change that to "a god"
"theos" is the word that God comes from in the New Testament, but jw don't change it to "a god" in other places.

It is an evil thing to change God's inspired word.

Deu 4:2 You shall not add to the Word which I command you, neither shall you take away from it, so that you may keep the commands of Jehovah your God which I command you.

Rev 22:18 For I testify together to everyone who hears the Words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add on him the plagues that have been written in this Book.
Rev 22:19 And if anyone takes away from the Words of the Book of this prophecy, God will take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which have been written in this Book.

I am sure God had jw as well as others in mind when He inspired Matthew to write:

Mat 15:7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 "This people draws near to Me with their mouth, and honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

Appleyard:


Hahahahhaahah! Oh, dear brothers of Little Faith and spiritual understanding!

cheesycheesycheesy!

rolleyes

So you don't know

Oh my! Here we go!

Wow! Do you get that?

Boom!

cheesycheesycheesy

hahhahaa..

Pls, dont hold your breath yet!

Hahahahaha glory glory glory hahhelluyah

..cheesycheesycheesy

..cheesycheesy

Oh my oh my!

You can't fathom His ability!

cheesycheesy

Wow you really know it all.
You are so wonderful........in your own eyes

Appleyard:

So, that is our God, coming from the water (the FLESH,) the dove descending (THE SPIRIT LIVING IN THAT FLESH,) and the voice (signifying the unlimited capability of that DEITY,) to manifest as it likes.

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when He had been baptized, went up immediately out of the water. And lo, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting upon Him.
Mat 3:17 And lo, a voice from Heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Those events are true, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the voice of the Father from Heaven together at the same time, but you don't believe that,
and you have those verses mean something else to suit your false beliefs.

You will have your reward.

Barnabaseloka:

I hope you studied english well (no insults meant). The word 'Word' started with an initial capital letter, which is different from 'word.' If it were God's thought, it would not have been written with an initial capital letter. The 'Word' is a proper noun and distinct. When initial capital letters are used in the bible, they represent 'distinct' things and not 'common' things. Do you want to make me believe that God's thought was transformed into flesh and became a human being? Then here are few questions:
1. Does it mean that God was in heaven and His thought (Jesus) was on earth? How did you come to this contradictory and hilarious conclusion? Have you ever read from the OT to the NT that God's 'thought' transformed to become a thing or a human being? What I have read is that God 'spoke' (not thought) and things came into existence.
For human beings, He did not speak but 'They' created them. Gen. 1:26 'Then God said, let Us (note the initial capital letter different from 'us') make man in Our (note) image, according to Our (note) likeness....' Who are the Us and Our being referred to- God and His thought who was with Him?
2. When Jesus (thought) ascended into heaven why did he (thought) choose to sit at the right-hand side of the owner (God)? Does this not make Jesus to be visible as a person, making them two people in existence- God and his thought (Jesus) sitting beside him?
According to what you have written, will someone not say that Jesus is with God (sitting beside God'? When you use 'with' it can mean 'having' or 'carrying' something. It can also mean 'being in the company' of people.

Just because a thing is capitaliize at one place, then at another, is not, does it makes it loose it meaning? If so, then English have lost its content.

Check this; the term 'God' and 'god', what is the difference between them? The difference is that the one with the capital letter is held to be SUPERIOR than the one with the small letter. Otherwise, THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME MEANING- an object of worship. A deity.

That is the case with Word capitalized or word not capitalized. The same meaning. The dinstiction is the Importance attached to its Usage, and under what circumstances. Otherwise, a Word is a word! Except you want to write your own dictionary.
So let that stick inside you. No offence meant, pls.

But lets help ourselves:

The definition of a word is a letter or group of letters that has meaning when spoken or written.

That is, not until you speak or write them, they remain bottled up inside you- as what?

Check out the meaning of Thought:

an idea, plan, opinion, picture, etc., that is formed in your mind : something that you think of
: the act or process of thinking
: the act of carefully thinking about the details of something

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thought

Now, when you are thinking of something and you what that thing to be made known, how do you go about It? Either you Speak it or write it out, simple.

We have, above, looked at the meaning of "word" in a dictionary, we find that it is defined as a "unit of spoken or written language," and "language" is "any method of expressing thoughts." A word is, therefore, a means of expressing thought.

That settles it!

Now, you implied that the Word
as use in John1vs1, is not the spoken word or what you said it is not. Then how come the Word was made FLESH and dwelt among men? Why was Jesus called the Word of God? And since we have established that 'Word' capitalized or not, is of the same meaning, then where was the Word in the begining? Genesis. And who was the Word with? God. And what was the Word? God. Because, your word as have been defined above, is not different from who you are. Simple!

That word in John1vs1 was CAPITALIZED to show THE IMPORTANCE AND CIRCUMSTANCE OF IT USAGE. But its the same in meaning. It was that same Word God SPOKE (that is, VOICED OUT OF HIS MIND) that created all things in the begining, which was rightly asserted in John1vs1-3, that all things were made by the Word voiced out by God. That Word only Become God (since His word is not different from Him-God) because this was the only time HIS WORD BECAME FLESH.

Emmanuel-God with us!

Not Three God's with us!

**Let us make man in our own image.....

The problem we have is that, we always want to interprete God's word for Him..even when the Bible said, no scripture is of any private interpretation. Why dont we allow God to interprete His Word by Himself?

God is a creator and a king called 'the Lord of Host', meaning He has dominion over subjects. And this subjects, be they less or more, are Spirits like Himself, because He is a Spirit. And when a King wants to do certain things, He addresses His subject.

That was what He did back then!

And d interpretation followed;

**and God mad man in His (not their) Image.

Barnabaseloka:

I hope you studied english well (no insults meant). The word 'Word' started with an initial capital letter, which is different from 'word.' If it were God's thought, it would not have been written with an initial capital letter. The 'Word' is a proper noun and distinct. When initial capital letters are used in the bible, they represent 'distinct' things and not 'common' things. Do you want to make me believe that God's thought was transformed into flesh and became a human being? Then here are few questions:
1. Does it mean that God was in heaven and His thought (Jesus) was on earth? How did you come to this contradictory and hilarious conclusion? Have you ever read from the OT to the NT that God's 'thought' transformed to become a thing or a human being? What I have read is that God 'spoke' (not thought) and things came into existence.
For human beings, He did not speak but 'They' created them. Gen. 1:26 'Then God said, let Us (note the initial capital letter different from 'us') make man in Our (note) image, according to Our (note) likeness....' Who are the Us and Our being referred to- God and His thought who was with Him?
2. When Jesus (thought) ascended into heaven why did he (thought) choose to sit at the right-hand side of the owner (God)? Does this not make Jesus to be visible as a person, making them two people in existence- God and his thought (Jesus) sitting beside him?
According to what you have written, will someone not say that Jesus is with God (sitting beside God'? When you use 'with' it can mean 'having' or 'carrying' something. It can also mean 'being in the company' of people.

So, you believe God dont think or what? That He would just stand up and start doing things randomly?

I know you dont't believe that,
god actually thinks, and when He acts out His thoughts, it is always by words or in writing.

Chek them out:

Isaiah 55:8

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD.

Isaiah 55:9

"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Psalms 92:5

How great are Your works, O LORD! Your thoughts are very deep.

Amos 4:13

For behold, He who forms mountains and creates the wind And declares to man what are His thoughts, He who makes dawn into darkness And treads on the high places of the earth, The LORD God of hosts is His name.

Micah 4:12

"But they do not know the thoughts of the LORD, And they do not understand His purpose; For He has gathered them like sheaves to the threshing floor.

Romans 11:34

For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR?

1 Corinthians 2:16

For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.

Psalms 40:5

Many, O LORD my God, are the wonders which You have done, And Your thoughts toward us; There is none to compare with You If I would declare and speak of them, They would be too numerous to count.

Psalms 139:17

How precious also are Your thoughts to me, O God! How vast is the sum of them!

Psalms 144:3

O LORD, what is man, that You take knowledge of him? Or the son of man, that You think of him?

And the rest of your points i have already talked about in other posts here.. Cant do that now, or even post now.
Work things are calling.

Do bear with a brother..

Bye for now.. Gonna be long this time , though...

Shalom....
** .

Appleyard:


Emmanuel-God with us!

Not Three God's with us!

Who has been talking about three god's?

**and God mad man in His (not their) Image.

God did make man in His Image,
God, is God and the Word.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness.

You change scripture to your peril.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Pro 8:22 Jehovah possessed me from the beginning of His way, before His works of old.

Pro 8:30 even I was a workman at His side; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;

The Word is not just God's voice,
the Word is clearly a person who is God with God.
John 1:1 ...and the Word was God.

jw say "a god", but like you jw change God's scriptures.

The Word-Jesus, was with God before their was anything but God

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,...
Pro 8:22 Jehovah possessed me from the beginning



The Word was God, God is Eternal and not created

Joh 1:1 ...and the Word was God
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth;...

God bought forth the Word from Himself, off His own Spirit,
not created, but part of God himself who is Eternal,
and an exact likeness of Himself.

Col_1:15 who is the image of the invisible God,...

Heb_1:3 who being the shining splendor of His glory, and the express image of His essence,...

God and the Word being God are equal, as is the Holy Spirit
Php_2:6 who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God,


2Co_4:4 in whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving ones, so that the light of the glorious gospel of Christ (who is the image of God) should not dawn on them.

Appleyard:


Just because a thing is capitaliize at one place, then at another, is not, does it makes it loose it meaning? If so, then English have lost its content.

Check this; the term 'God' and 'god', what is the difference between them? The difference is that the one with the capital letter is held to be SUPERIOR than the one with the small letter. Otherwise, THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME MEANING- an object of worship. A deity.

That is the case with Word capitalized or word not capitalized. The same meaning. The dinstiction is the Importance attached to its Usage, and under what circumstances. Otherwise, a Word is a word! Except you want to write your own dictionary.
So let that stick inside you. No offence meant, pls.

But lets help ourselves:

The definition of a word is a letter or group of letters that has meaning when spoken or written.

That is, not until you speak or write them, they remain bottled up inside you- as what?

Check out the meaning of Thought:

an idea, plan, opinion, picture, etc., that is formed in your mind : something that you think of
: the act or process of thinking
: the act of carefully thinking about the details of something

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thought

Now, when you are thinking of something and you what that thing to be made known, how do you go about It? Either you Speak it or write it out, simple.

We have, above, looked at the meaning of "word" in a dictionary, we find that it is defined as a "unit of spoken or written language," and "language" is "any method of expressing thoughts." A word is, therefore, a means of expressing thought.

That settles it!

Now, you implied that the Word
as use in John1vs1, is not the spoken word or what you said it is not. Then how come the Word was made FLESH and dwelt among men? Why was Jesus called the Word of God? And since we have established that 'Word' capitalized or not, is of the same meaning, then where was the Word in the begining? Genesis. And who was the Word with? God. And what was the Word? God. Because, your word as have been defined above, is not different from who you are. Simple!

That word in John1vs1 was CAPITALIZED to show THE IMPORTANCE AND CIRCUMSTANCE OF IT USAGE. But its the same in meaning. It was that same Word God SPOKE (that is, VOICED OUT OF HIS MIND) that created all things in the begining, which was rightly asserted in John1vs1-3, that all things were made by the Word voiced out by God. That Word only Become God (since His word is not different from Him-God) because this was the only time HIS WORD BECAME FLESH.

Emmanuel-God with us!

Not Three God's with us!

**Let us make man in our own image.....

The problem we have is that, we always want to interprete God's word for Him..even when the Bible said, no scripture is of any private interpretation. Why dont we allow God to interprete His Word by Himself?

God is a creator and a king called 'the Lord of Host', meaning He has dominion over subjects. And this subjects, be they less or more, are Spirits like Himself, because He is a Spirit. And when a King wants to do certain things, He addresses His subject.

That was what He did back then!

And d interpretation followed;

**and God mad man in His (not their) Image.

I am not inferring that the Word was not God's spoken word but that the 'Word' is used here as a personality and not just 'word' or 'thought'. All I am saying is that the 'Word' is used as a body (such as a container) carrying all the things God spoke with His mouth 'words'
I know you must have read 'And the word (not Word) of the Lord came to somebody?' This simply means 'And the Lord spoke (said something, gave instruction) to somebody.'
We cannot see 'And the Lord spoke the Word to somebody' anywhere in the bible. This because the Word is a personality (body) having all the spoken 'words' in Him.
In Him (the Word) there is life due to the life-giving words (everything God has said with his mouth) He carries. Therefore know it now that 'Word' (body/container/house of words) is different from 'word' (something that comes out from the mouth when one speaks).
Also, Have you ever read in the Scrptures where Jesus (the Word) said that he (Jesus) is the Father?

Appleyard:


So, you believe God dont think or what? That He would just stand up and start doing things randomly?

I know you dont't believe that,
god actually thinks, and when He acts out His thoughts, it is always by words or in writing.

Chek them out:

Isaiah 55:8

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD.

Isaiah 55:9

"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Psalms 92:5

How great are Your works, O LORD! Your thoughts are very deep.

Amos 4:13

For behold, He who forms mountains and creates the wind And declares to man what are His thoughts, He who makes dawn into darkness And treads on the high places of the earth, The LORD God of hosts is His name.

Micah 4:12

"But they do not know the thoughts of the LORD, And they do not understand His purpose; For He has gathered them like sheaves to the threshing floor.

Romans 11:34

For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR?

1 Corinthians 2:16

For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.

Psalms 40:5

Many, O LORD my God, are the wonders which You have done, And Your thoughts toward us; There is none to compare with You If I would declare and speak of them, They would be too numerous to count.

Psalms 139:17

How precious also are Your thoughts to me, O God! How vast is the sum of them!

Psalms 144:3

O LORD, what is man, that You take knowledge of him? Or the son of man, that You think of him?

And the rest of your points i have already talked about in other posts here.. Cant do that now, or even post now.
Work things are calling.

Do bear with a brother..

Bye for now.. Gonna be long this time , though...

Shalom....
** .

You misunderstand me. I do not mean that God does not think. Yes, God has thoughts. In John 1:1, the 'Word' or even 'word' can never be God's thought. 'Thoughts' are 'imaginations' but become 'word' when they are 'spoken'.
Wherever you see the word 'thought' being referred to God's thought in the Scriptures, it is written in small letters. This shows ordinary thinking which will be different if it is written as 'Thought' meaning something deeper than ordinary thinking.
When we see things like 'the words of God', it is totally different from 'the Word of God'.
The 'words' of God mean the things that come out from God's mouth. The 'Word' of God means something different from ordinary 'word' that God speaks.
Note: In John1:1, it was not written as 'in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God' but 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.' It was not a mistake to have written 'word' as 'Word.' There is more to the usage of 'Word' here than 'word'- (something spoken from the mouth).

[quote author=Appleyard post=33781065][/quote] answer my questions.

Appleyard:


Just because a thing is capitaliize at one place, then at another, is not, does it makes it loose it meaning? If so, then English have lost its content.

Check this; the term 'God' and 'god', what is the difference between them? The difference is that the one with the capital letter is held to be SUPERIOR than the one with the small letter. Otherwise, THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME MEANING- an object of worship. A deity.

That is the case with Word capitalized or word not capitalized. The same meaning. The dinstiction is the Importance attached to its Usage, and under what circumstances. Otherwise, a Word is a word! Except you want to write your own dictionary.
So let that stick inside you. No offence meant, pls.

But lets help ourselves:

The definition of a word is a letter or group of letters that has meaning when spoken or written.

That is, not until you speak or write them, they remain bottled up inside you- as what?

Check out the meaning of Thought:

an idea, plan, opinion, picture, etc., that is formed in your mind : something that you think of
: the act or process of thinking
: the act of carefully thinking about the details of something

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thought

Now, when you are thinking of something and you what that thing to be made known, how do you go about It? Either you Speak it or write it out, simple.

We have, above, looked at the meaning of "word" in a dictionary, we find that it is defined as a "unit of spoken or written language," and "language" is "any method of expressing thoughts." A word is, therefore, a means of expressing thought.

That settles it!

Now, you implied that the Word
as use in John1vs1, is not the spoken word or what you said it is not. Then how come the Word was made FLESH and dwelt among men? Why was Jesus called the Word of God? And since we have established that 'Word' capitalized or not, is of the same meaning, then where was the Word in the begining? Genesis. And who was the Word with? God. And what was the Word? God. Because, your word as have been defined above, is not different from who you are. Simple!

That word in John1vs1 was CAPITALIZED to show THE IMPORTANCE AND CIRCUMSTANCE OF IT USAGE. But its the same in meaning. It was that same Word God SPOKE (that is, VOICED OUT OF HIS MIND) that created all things in the begining, which was rightly asserted in John1vs1-3, that all things were made by the Word voiced out by God. That Word only Become God (since His word is not different from Him-God) because this was the only time HIS WORD BECAME FLESH.

Emmanuel-God with us!

Not Three God's with us!

**Let us make man in our own image.....

The problem we have is that, we always want to interprete God's word for Him..even when the Bible said, no scripture is of any private interpretation. Why dont we allow God to interprete His Word by Himself?

God is a creator and a king called 'the Lord of Host', meaning He has dominion over subjects. And this subjects, be they less or more, are Spirits like Himself, because He is a Spirit. And when a King wants to do certain things, He addresses His subject.

That was what He did back then!

And d interpretation followed;

**and God mad man in His (not their) Image.

answer my questions. And get the book of enoch and read it, you would understand. But first answer my questions

johnw74:


Wow you really know it all.
You are so wonderful........in your own eyes

Ah, brother! No mockery meant, if you felt that i mocked you.

But the truth is there for all to see,
so far, the scriptures have spoken for itself. God is omnipresent, and can act two different things at the same time.

God's ways are unsearchable.

[quote author=Appleyard post=33781065][/quote]



GLORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

2 CORINTHIANS 3:14 " But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ."

johnw74:


Not stuck on anything, but it is natural for jw to lie.



John 1:1 ...and the Word was God.

jw bible change that to "a god"
"theos" is the word that God comes from in the New Testament, but jw don't change it to "a god" in other places.

It is an evil thing to change God's inspired word.

Deu 4:2 You shall not add to the Word which I command you, neither shall you take away from it, so that you may keep the commands of Jehovah your God which I command you.

Rev 22:18 For I testify together to everyone who hears the Words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add on him the plagues that have been written in this Book.
Rev 22:19 And if anyone takes away from the Words of the Book of this prophecy, God will take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which have been written in this Book.

I am sure God had jw as well as others in mind when He inspired Matthew to write:

Mat 15:7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 "This people draws near to Me with their mouth, and honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

..interesting, today you meet your colleague jw so u are twisting your lips...same guy who wrote on my other thread that, the Greek word there was kurios, today you are now telling a jw it is theos. You see how confused you are?....YOU AND THE JW ARE NO DIFFERENT. JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY, THE FATHER, KING OF KINGS, LORD OF LORDS, I AM THAT I AM

the best preacher of the gospel remains the preacher with unbeleivable power of real jesuschrist whereby all members and followers are dwelling in power and not dwell in evil bondages and the members are able to see and know how the gospel preacher looks like and represents spiritually and they have peace which is the commonest thing the real lord jesuschrist promised to his followers and so no matter the grammer if those you are calling their names as best gospel preachers do not possess those qualities and the light .the mantle. the power that be to share to members or among members then count them as not good gospel preachers because preaching the gospel without power and light unto members to deal with evil bondages is nonsense:afteall real jesuschrsit said i am the light of the world and this very light is lacking in churches and humanbeigns dont even know the meaning and they are under the so called good gospel preachers you talk about?behold ,So many Christian sisters&brothers&secular are in great bondage to the evil marine occultic spirits your so called gospel preachers and pastors are afraid to help them?because they the gospel preachers and pastors have NO real CHRIST LIKE POWER&LIGHT to liberate them and this is highly obtainable under the so called gospel preachers you have mentioned herein?behold the kingdom of God of jusice has come and do they know this truth and revelation?

Barnabaseloka:

You misunderstand me. I do not mean that God does not think. Yes, God has thoughts. In John 1:1, the 'Word' or even 'word' can never be God's thought. 'Thoughts' are 'imaginations' but become 'word' when they are 'spoken'.
Wherever you see the word 'thought' being referred to God's thought in the Scriptures, it is written in small letters. This shows ordinary thinking which will be different if it is written as 'Thought' meaning something deeper than ordinary thinking.
When we see things like 'the words of God', it is totally different from 'the Word of God'.
The 'words' of God mean the things that come out from God's mouth. The 'Word' of God means something different from ordinary 'word' that God speaks.
Note: In John1:1, it was not written as 'in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God' but 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.' It was not a mistake to have written 'word' as 'Word.' There is more to the usage of 'Word' here than 'word'- (something spoken from the mouth).

Thank God, now that you have agreed on God spoken word.. We are moving on the right track.
Now, yes! I agree that the word is like a container like you said, and the word of God do come to people or someone like you said. I never disputed that at the first place.
But the area you still have refused to come to terms with is the ' Word and word' terms. What is the differential meaning between this two? The truth is, there is no DIFFERENCE IN MEAANING between Word and word. Infact, it is not even 'they,' it is ONE WORD, not two!
That is where you are having problem. You are still trying to put a differential meaning between them, when in reality, the term 'Word or word' means
a letter or group of letters that has meaning when spoken or written.
Now, what does this tell you? Simple. The word back there in Genesis and the Word as use in John 1vs1, HAVE THE SAME MEANING, whether capitalized or not, and you know that to be true. For i know that your bone of contention is the 'w' capitalized, plus the fact that 'He and Him' were used to indicate personality; and on this note, you were right, but your undoing is that, you still have not understand nor accept the fact that it is that SPOKEN word (remember the meaning of Word) that has metamorphose into a PERSONALITY. How, and when?
Pls, Lets go back to the bible.

John1vs1--

1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Bear in mind we have already concluded that d term 'Word' or 'word' is of one meaning. Therefore, when John said 'in d begining 'was' the Word- (was is past tense, and ')- he is already aware of who Jesus is because, before he wrote his book/account in the Synoptic Gospels about Christ, Jesus had already left the scene. Otherwise, he couldnt have written anything or everything while Christ was still around, because it could have amounted to work-in-progress, and besides, the Holy Spirit had not come.

So. When he made Use of the capitalized term 'Word,' he was by knowledge personifying Jesus as that 'word' ( non personification) of God, that 'was' with God back then in the begining (creation in Genesis,) which has become FLESH (personification.)

Yes! There is more to the usage of the term 'Word,' because that was the only time God's word became FLESH-LIVING BEING, A Body, a Robe, a Human Vessel etc, He created for the sole purpose of redemption.
Thus, the capitalized 'W,' and the statements like, ''--as of the only begotten of the Father--,'' where to amplify and apply the full concept of the personality of God in Human nature (Jesus.)
Otherwise, you can't tell anyone that 'Word' is in meaning different from 'word.'
The earlier you realize this, the better.

And yes, there was no mistake in writing 'Word' for 'word,' because, it has left a stage of non-human to full human quality. Hence, the personification.

But the notorious fact remain; 'Word' is a 'word.' There is no other meaning ti it.

For in the Greek context,
Every reference to"the word"or"the word of God" or"the Word of the Lord"in the New Testament is either logos or rhema, both of which mean"words spoken by a living voice."

And Jesus is that spoken Word of God!

2. Heb 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God , so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Psalm 33vs6.

The heavens were made by the 'word' of the Lord , and all their host by the 'breath of his mouth.'

The above two verses prove that the word of God or the Word of the Lord is the Lord Jesus Christ, who created all things in heaven and earth, and whose name is " the Word of God.

Rev.19 vs 14
Finally confirm the capitalize W.


Remember the key is THE MEANING OF THE TERM word or Word.

bingbagbo:


2 CORINTHIANS 3:14 " But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ."

Simple, it means Christ is the mystery of God revealed. But the traditional Jews, and those still holding unto the creeds and dogmas of Roman catholicism, continued to be veiled by that same veil.

bingbagbo:




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hallllllllellllluyyyyyyahhhhhhh!

bingbagbo:


..interesting, today you meet your colleague jw so u are twisting your lips...same guy who wrote on my other thread that, the Greek word there was kurios, today you are now telling a jw it is theos. You see how confused you are?

You appear to have no understanding at all,
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word "kurios", .................and the Word was God "theos"

..interesting, today you meet your colleague jw so u are twisting your lips...same guy who wrote on my other thread that, the Greek word there was kurios, today you are now telling a jw it is theos. You see how confused you are?

Ha ha, the twisting and confusion are yours still.

....YOU AND THE JW ARE NO DIFFERENT.

You have been truly blinded.

JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY, THE FATHER, KING OF KINGS, LORD OF LORDS, I AM THAT I AM

As God He is that,
as the person of the Son, He is not the Father,
a child could understand, but not those who are blinded through their unbelief.

Appleyard:


Hahahahhaahah! ! Oh, dear brothers of Little Faith and spiritual understanding!

Actually, i have been waiting for this,

you that are Unitarians and Trinitarians can't do without it. rolleyes

Oh my! Here we go!

Wow! Do you get that?

Boom!

Oh, Lord of Glory! What was that?

Can you beat that? hahhahaa..

Pls, dont hold your breath yet!

John. 3vs13;



Do you get that?

Hahahahaha glory glory glory hahhelluyah..



Oh my oh my!

REPLIES TO THE ABOVE

bingbagbo:




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Appleyard:


hallllllllellllluyyyyyyahhhhhhh!

Appleyard:



Thank God, now that you have agreed on God spoken word.. We are moving on the right track.
Now, yes! I agree that the word is like a container like you said, and the word of God do come to people or someone like you said. I never disputed that at the first place.
But the area you still have refused to come to terms with is the ' Word and word' terms. What is the differential meaning between this two? The truth is, there is no DIFFERENCE IN MEAANING between Word and word. Infact, it is not even 'they,' it is ONE WORD, not two!
That is where you are having problem. You are still trying to put a differential meaning between them, when in reality, the term 'Word or word' means
a letter or group of letters that has meaning when spoken or written.
Now, what does this tell you? Simple. The word back there in Genesis and the Word as use in John 1vs1, HAVE THE SAME MEANING, whether capitalized or not, and you know that to be true. For i know that your bone of contention is the 'w' capitalized, plus the fact that 'He and Him' were used to indicate personality; and on this note, you were right, but your undoing is that, you still have not understand nor accept the fact that it is that SPOKEN word (remember the meaning of Word) that has metamorphose into a PERSONALITY. How, and when?
Pls, Lets go back to the bible.

John1vs1--

1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Bear in mind we have already concluded that d term 'Word' or 'word' is of one meaning. Therefore, when John said 'in d begining 'was' the Word- (was is past tense, and ')- he is already aware of who Jesus is because, before he wrote his book/account in the Synoptic Gospels about Christ, Jesus had already left the scene. Otherwise, he couldnt have written anything or everything while Christ was still around, because it could have amounted to work-in-progress, and besides, the Holy Spirit had not come.

So. When he made Use of the capitalized term 'Word,' he was by knowledge personifying Jesus as that 'word' ( non personification) of God, that 'was' with God back then in the begining (creation in Genesis,) which has become FLESH (personification.)

Yes! There is more to the usage of the term 'Word,' because that was the only time God's word became FLESH-LIVING BEING, A Body, a Robe, a Human Vessel etc, He created for the sole purpose of redemption.
Thus, the capitalized 'W,' and the statements like, ''--as of the only begotten of the Father--,'' where to amplify and apply the full concept of the personality of God in Human nature (Jesus.)
Otherwise, you can't tell anyone that 'Word' is in meaning different from 'word.'
The earlier you realize this, the better.

And yes, there was no mistake in writing 'Word' for 'word,' because, it has left a stage of non-human to full human quality. Hence, the personification.

But the notorious fact remain; 'Word' is a 'word.' There is no other meaning ti it.

For in the Greek context,
Every reference to"the word"or"the word of God" or"the Word of the Lord"in the New Testament is either logos or rhema, both of which mean"words spoken by a living voice."

And Jesus is that spoken Word of God!

2. Heb 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God , so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Psalm 33vs6.

The heavens were made by the 'word' of the Lord , and all their host by the 'breath of his mouth.'

The above two verses prove that the word of God or the Word of the Lord is the Lord Jesus Christ, who created all things in heaven and earth, and whose name is " the Word of God.

Rev.19 vs 14
Finally confirm the capitalize W.


Remember the key is THE MEANING OF THE TERM word or Word.

What a lot of babel.



The Word is a person of God
And the Word is God

It's that plain and true,
simple and straight forward

Two Persons:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Two Persons:
Pro 8:22 Jehovah possessed me from the beginning of His way, before His works of old.

Two Persons:
Pro 8:30 even I was a workman at His side; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;




God is the Father, and the Word is the Son
The Son is not the Father, Duh

Believe the scriptures .... or not.

Appleyard:



Thank God, now that you have agreed on God spoken word.. We are moving on the right track.
Now, yes! I agree that the word is like a container like you said, and the word of God do come to people or someone like you said. I never disputed that at the first place.
But the area you still have refused to come to terms with is the ' Word and word' terms. What is the differential meaning between this two? The truth is, there is no DIFFERENCE IN MEAANING between Word and word. Infact, it is not even 'they,' it is ONE WORD, not two!
That is where you are having problem. You are still trying to put a differential meaning between them, when in reality, the term 'Word or word' means
a letter or group of letters that has meaning when spoken or written.
Now, what does this tell you? Simple. The word back there in Genesis and the Word as use in John 1vs1, HAVE THE SAME MEANING, whether capitalized or not, and you know that to be true. For i know that your bone of contention is the 'w' capitalized, plus the fact that 'He and Him' were used to indicate personality; and on this note, you were right, but your undoing is that, you still have not understand nor accept the fact that it is that SPOKEN word (remember the meaning of Word) that has metamorphose into a PERSONALITY. How, and when?
Pls, Lets go back to the bible.

John1vs1--

1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Bear in mind we have already concluded that d term 'Word' or 'word' is of one meaning. Therefore, when John said 'in d begining 'was' the Word- (was is past tense, and ')- he is already aware of who Jesus is because, before he wrote his book/account in the Synoptic Gospels about Christ, Jesus had already left the scene. Otherwise, he couldnt have written anything or everything while Christ was still around, because it could have amounted to work-in-progress, and besides, the Holy Spirit had not come.

So. When he made Use of the capitalized term 'Word,' he was by knowledge personifying Jesus as that 'word' ( non personification) of God, that 'was' with God back then in the begining (creation in Genesis,) which has become FLESH (personification.)

Yes! There is more to the usage of the term 'Word,' because that was the only time God's word became FLESH-LIVING BEING, A Body, a Robe, a Human Vessel etc, He created for the sole purpose of redemption.
Thus, the capitalized 'W,' and the statements like, ''--as of the only begotten of the Father--,'' where to amplify and apply the full concept of the personality of God in Human nature (Jesus.)
Otherwise, you can't tell anyone that 'Word' is in meaning different from 'word.'
The earlier you realize this, the better.

And yes, there was no mistake in writing 'Word' for 'word,' because, it has left a stage of non-human to full human quality. Hence, the personification.

But the notorious fact remain; 'Word' is a 'word.' There is no other meaning ti it.

For in the Greek context,
Every reference to"the word"or"the word of God" or"the Word of the Lord"in the New Testament is either logos or rhema, both of which mean"words spoken by a living voice."

And Jesus is that spoken Word of God!

2. Heb 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God , so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Psalm 33vs6.

The heavens were made by the 'word' of the Lord , and all their host by the 'breath of his mouth.'

The above two verses prove that the word of God or the Word of the Lord is the Lord Jesus Christ, who created all things in heaven and earth, and whose name is " the Word of God.

Rev.19 vs 14
Finally confirm the capitalize W.


Remember the key is THE MEANING OF THE TERM word or Word.

Thank you for your write-up! You explained yourself without insults attached. I like your kind of person.
Nevertheless, it was not a mistake to see 'Word' instead of 'word' in some passages in the bible. If the writers were referring to Jesus, they would have used 'Word' (to show reverence) instead of 'word.' It is like saying that 'god' is the same as 'God' or 'Lord' is the same as 'lord'. Do you see any difference between 'god' and 'God' or 'Lord' and 'lord'? I still say it clearly that 'Word' is an embodiment (carrier) of 'word/s (thing/s spoken with the mouth). Put 'Jesus' anywhere you see 'Word' and 'word' in the bible and the difference will be clear.
Anyone that studies the Scriptures must be careful enough to see changes when some words are used. These changes are to be observed carefully so that its application will not contradict other passages in the bible.

zodiakzax:
its interesting how your understanding of the Holy Trinity is, let's look at the same bible verse you quoted in John 14:26 amplified version "26.But the Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, Standby), the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send in My name [in My place, to represent Me and act on My behalf], He will teach you all things. And He will cause you to recall (will remind you of, bring to your remembrance) everything I have told you." so the Spirit who was sent by God the Father is to represent Christ and act on His behalf. Have you forgotten He also said the Holy Spirit shall not speak on its own that what He hears from the Father is what the Holy Spirit must say. Now we pray to the Father (not the son) in the name of the Son. We don't pray to Jesus in the name of Jesus but rather the Father in the name of Jesus. The Lord in Mathew 12:31-32 said whosoever sins against the Son of man which is Christ shall be forgiven him but whosoever sins against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven. That is why the name of the Spirit is Holy Spirit, it does not entertain foolishness or stupidity or sin, its the Spirit of the Most high God. You will better understand it this way, God created us in His image and likeness, even though there's a lot to explain on that topic alone I will stick to what I'm about to say, so God said in Genesis 1:26 amplified version "26. God said, Let Us [Father, Son, and Holy Spirit] make mankind in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have complete authority over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the [tame] beasts, and over all of the earth, and over everything that creeps upon the earth. [Ps. 104:30; Heb. 1:2; 11:3.]" now can you see how amplified puts it? The us there is the Trinity, and God created us in His likeness by making us also three in one. We have a Spirit,Soul and Body. Now let's look at the trinity, the Body is the Father who sits in heaven, the soul or the word or the intellectual part of God is Christ and the Holy Spirit is His Spirit, same with us, our body is the physical state, our soul is our mind and intellectual part (and that is why we must renew our minds by the word of God) and our spirit is our spiritual state or the inner man. It takes the Holy Spirit to reveal this things to you. I think you should take your time and ask the Lord to help you understand.

Have you asked the Lord to help you? You that believe that three different persons made up one God, not only is there no bible for it, but it shows even lack of intelligence reasoning.

Why don't you go and do some home work about the term 'spirit.'

Can a spirit possess another spirit? The answer is an emphatic NO! One Spirit can not live inside another spirit. So how come you have God the father, a spirit, God the Son, a spirit, and God the holy Ghost, a spirit, merging to become one God? What a lack of intelligence reasoning. It takes the Celestial body to live inside the Terestial body, not celestial living in celestial and terestial living in terestial to become one.


And you, don't try to change anything pertaining to the Holy Ghost--

--but the comforter which is the Holy Ghost,which the Father will send IN MY NAME--

not by my name-- Thus, the Name of the Holy Ghost is JESUS! Is as simple as that.

And thanks alot for 'applifying' it-Councellor, intercessor, Advocate, Helper, Standby--,.. For it clearly showed that we are talking of the same person all the time.:

Joh 14:16-17

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: BUT YE KNOW HIM; FOR HE DWELLETH with you, and SHALL be in you.

What?

Jesus when speaking of the comforter said “he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.” Here we find a seeming contradiction since the comforter could not be sent until Jesus Christ was glorified.

We just read in John 16 that the comforter’s coming was dependent on Jesus going away.
How is it that the comforter who was yet to be sent “dwelleth with them” in John 14?
This passage explains itself. Jesus didn’t leave off in verse 17. He continues in the next verse by saying:

Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Christ was dwelling with them and he was going to come back as the comforter and dwell in them. BOOM! Jesus Christ is the CONFORTER himself.

The greek word for comforter is “parakletos”. John uses this word 5 times in scripture. The 5th time it is used is 1 John 2:1. It is translated “Advocate”

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Christ is the “parakletos”.

And Christ is that councellor.

Isaiag 9 vs 6.

One Entity all the time!


Greatest mystery ever!

johnw74:



What a lot of babel.



The Word is a person of God
And the Word is God

It's that plain and true,
simple and straight forward

Two Persons:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Two Persons:
Pro 8:22 Jehovah possessed me from the beginning of His way, before His works of old.

Two Persons:
Pro 8:30 even I was a workman at His side; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;

God is the Father, and the Word is the Son
The Son is not the Father, Duh

Believe the scriptures .... or not.

I understand what you mean by God being the Father as you want to differentiate the two. When we call 'God', we are not only calling on the Father but also the Son. God is a general name under which the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit exist.

Barnabaseloka:

I understand what you mean by God being the Father as you want to differentiate the two. When we call 'God', we are not only calling on the Father but also the Son. God is a general name under which the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit exist.

Yes, the three are God,
One God,
One Spirit,
Not three spirits as appleyard talked about.