seemples:


If you'll quit all these dancing around with words !

You appear smart enough to use my orange analogy above to understand what I mean when I say 2+2=4 might need faith to believe.

Oh yes the orange analogy you threw in. . . Sure thing was; we were talking of simple numerical mathematics. . . This is how fallacies work, you leave the whole and dabble into particles.
As long as simple intuition is involved taken from a simple deduction. . there are 2 oranges, if you want to count from the particles then start from atoms.

But by throwing an object in it which by so doing you have driven it out from the simple numerical mathematics we were to particles.
When particles are being counted then it is right to then start from the atoms then the question will no longer be 2+2 but Billions plus billions. . .

seemples:

You KNOWING 2+2 =4 is absolutely that fallacy you're talking about.

This is simple numerical mathematical rule. . . We are not counting objects here but sheer numerical representations.
2+2=4. .

seemples:

You BELIEVING 2+2=4 is being realistic because it's so believed that ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, 2+2=4.

Why not believe then it is 5 instead then insist its realistic? why not believe 2+2=5? . . . Sometimes it gets stale replying this; when someone goes as far as trying to represent mathematics as a form of belief. . it really wows me totally.

seemples:

All things held constant,all things being equal, 2+2=4 ...(all things means things seen and unseen, known and unknown factors etc)

You are still dragging in objects while the 2+2 analogy i proposed was purely numerical.
If we should count particles then we should from the atoms (seen by the aid of a microscope) how then can you now equate billions of atoms to one orange?

seemples:

Same line, All things held constant, GOD EXISTS!

Lmao..
a.) is this belief or certainty?
b.) which of them?
c.) where?

seemples:

Faith then is the equivalent of all things being constant.

This is just very funny replying. . . How can faith be equivalent to things being constant when even you agrees its sheer hope.? taking from this then we can assert my pink diamond rabbit exists because i have faith it does..

Faith according to you is evidence for things hoped for (Wishful thinking) . . . You are just hoping their is; its quite understandable.

sundayerhun:


Seriously? It's painful enough that in all your mess, God will never speak ill of you like you say of him.

Well, I don't believe in any god, so I can talk about any god any way I like.

johnydon22:
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This sort of argument with no end in sight....

First off, I don't even know what it's all about...

Secondly, I don't know what you have proved or disproved

Lastly, I don't normally argue. Since I know nobody has a perfect knowledge of anything, what's the point?

Let's trace back to where you started...I believe God exists based on all I know and still knowing...
You don't believe God exists based on all you know and still knowing...

So when anybody affirms his or her belief or unbelief don't go shooting the persons tenets cos for all there is to it, you might be totally mistaken and wrong cos you simply aren't perfect in knowledge.

seemples:


This sort of argument with no end in sight....

First off, I don't even know what it's all about...

Secondly, I don't know what you have proved or diaproved

Lastly, I don't normally argue. Since I know nobody has a perfect knowledge of anything, what's the point?

Let's trace back to where you started...I believe God exists based on all I know and still knowing...
You don't believe God exists based on all you know and still knowing...

So when anybody affirms his or her belief or unbelief don't go shooting the persons tenets cos for all there is to it, you might be totally mistaken and wrong cos you simply aren't perfect in knowledge.

Let me put it simply, i was not even arguing with you that a god exists or not. . . As far as we know there are thousands of god concepts from different civilizations and cultures and none have been proven or demonstrated, just claims.

My argument was when you try to drag a simple mathematical knowledge to the dimension of belief to liken it to your belief in a deity...

Just like i said before, knowledge (certainty) is practically and literally different from belief (faith). . . If any of the god concepts humanity invented is proven to be true, am sure nobody would need to believe it with faith, everyone simply would have known and be sure therefore it no longer will be belief but sheer simple knowledge... But so far none of the god concepts have achieved this feat therefore all still remains a claim that is dependent on faith to believe.

johnydon22:

Mister man just rest it pls...if I had given a sweeping Yes answer to your very first question below, tell me you were planning to say ok?!

johnydon22:
And you believe with faith i supoose?

Point remains you should stop shooting peoples belief system in so far as it's not injurious to you or your neighbours cos YOU SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW PERFECTLY NOR WOULD YOU EVER KNOW.

seemples:


Mister man just rest it pls...if I had given a sweeping Yes answer to your very first question below, tell me you were planning to say ok?!

Lol...this is just a simple discussion or should i say a healthy argument. . . who doesn't have fun arguing? . . .no need getting touchy or emotional about it... Certainly i wouldn't have said just "ok" am sure of that. cus it still would slide down to the part were you claim faith to mean certainty..

seemples:

Point remains you should stop shooting peoples belief system in so far as it's not injurious to you or your neighbours cos YOU SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW PERFECTLY NOR WOULD YOU EVER KNOW.

Nobody is shooting at anybody's belief system, but just like other ideologies it also is a subject of discussion, argument, scrutiny. . . Are you trying to shield your belief from these? . . .

I think people who needs to stop shooting other people's beliefs are the theists that go about murdering people in the name of their beliefs. . Talk about Muslim jihadists or christian Crusaders.

I see no way a discussion based on differences in certain ideologies is a bad thing . . .

sundayerhun:


The beautiful thing about all is this: deep within your heart, there is a conviction that God is real. You may choose not to listen to it, but it doesn't erode the truth.

That's not true. I'm certain that your God doesn't exist. I arrived at that conclusion by following the verification process that was allegedly written by the God himself.

johnydon22:

Just like i said before, knowledge (certainty) is practically and literally different from belief (faith). . . If any of the god concepts humanity invented is proven to be true, am sure nobody would need to believe it with faith, everyone simply would have known and be sure therefore it no longer will be belief but sheer simple knowledge... But so far none of the god concepts have achieved this feat therefore all still remains a claim that is dependent on faith to believe.

It annoys me to no end that 'faith' is seen as a positive thing in society. I regard it as a negative. How can believing that something is true without evidence be held as a positive trait? We need to try to change this.

onetrack:


Well, I don't believe in any god, so I can talk about any god any way I like.

If you really do not believe in any 'god' as you claim, you will not even talk about them, especially in an ill-way.

Weah96:


That's not true. I'm certain that your God doesn't exist. I arrived at that conclusion by following the verification process that was allegedly written by the God himself.

If you do not believe He exists, why would you follow your claimed 'his verification process'?

sundayerhun:


If you really do not believe in any 'god' as you claim, you will not even talk about them, especially in an ill-way.

People talk about Harry Potter and Superman; I'll talk about any god I want to.

sundayerhun:


If you do not believe He exists, why would you follow your claimed 'his verification process'?

The genius who wrote the book says that certain things will happen under certain conditions. I tried it and the thing didn't happen.

[size=18pt]RIP to the gods[/size]

Well, depends on your definition of God or what/who you see as God.....

sundayerhun:


If you really do not believe in any 'god' as you claim, you will not even talk about them, especially in an ill-way.

Do you believe in Vampires and Fairy? Don't you talk about them and even like seeing their movies?

Wrong premise to discredit a proposition..

God is dead and buried

Who created god? Why did the loving God send a terrible devil to the children he loved?



All these religion lies don expire, we need new ones



I stopped being a Christian this year and I've never been happier

[size=18pt]CONFIRMED , ATHEISTS ARE OBSESSED WITH GOD . 24/7 they are talking about him [/size]

God be praised! We are in the last days !

2 Peter 3:3-4

Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation."

xtervaganza:
Who created god? Why did the loving God send a terrible devil to the children he loved?



All these religion lies don expire, we need new ones



I stopped being a Christian this year and I've never been happier

Are you guyz for real or just joking to please d ladies?

If so then ds is an expensive joke oh! All other sins even murder can be forgiven but a sin as denying God after believing him can never be pardoned oh.

Nice point red

onetrack:


It annoys me to no end that 'faith' is seen as a positive thing in society. I regard it as a negative. How can believing that something is true without evidence be held as a positive trait? We need to try to change this.

yviouobls erstundand atfih is oyu wtah odtn

themodernman:


Are you guyz for real or just joking to please d ladies?

If so then ds is an expensive joke oh! All other sins even murder can be forgiven but a sin as denying God after believing him can never be pardoned oh.

forget that you were born into Christianity, if you were born into islam you would be a Muslim too.



My point here, the Christian god can not and never justify throwing me into hell fire. Reason? I did not ask him to create me, he can't judge me the same way he will judge ritualistic and murderers ( that would be stupid) Amd he's a sadist too.







I no longer want to serve the Christian god who would throw your mother in hell and have you sing to him 24 hours without break in heaven while your parents burn




The whole concept of God and religion is moronic if u can look at it from a different angle

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seemples:


The world certainly looks like God died!

Are you experiencing the very worst trouble satan is capable of giving? can you go through what Job experienced?

if your answer to this is No then don't you think God still holds you tight in protection regardless of how evil you are?

Smh! people just talk trash to look smart when their reasoning is just plain st.upid![/size]

atheist are not the most intelligent people but intelligent thinking will land you to be an atheist

seemples:


The world certainly looks like God died!

God is only dead in Africa.








He sure lives in d Developed world.

xtervaganza:
forget that you were born into Christianity, if you were born into islam you would be a Muslim too.



My point here, the Christian god can not and never justify throwing me into hell fire. Reason? I did not ask him to create me, he can't judge me the same way he will judge ritualistic and murderers ( that would be stupid) Amd he's a sadist too.







I no longer want to serve the Christian god who would throw your mother in hell and have you sing to him 24 hours without break in heaven while your parents burn




The whole concept of God and religion is moronic if u can look at it from a different angle

"If it be possible they shall deceive the very elect"

onetrack:


It annoys me to no end that 'faith' is seen as a positive thing in society. I regard it as a negative. How can believing that something is true without evidence be held as a positive trait? We need to try to change this.

U speaketh my mind.

onetrack:
If this is what the world is like with God alive, I'd say he is doing a terrible job. He should be sacked and replaced with a new god immediately.

Watch ur mouth boy

seemples:


The world certainly looks like God died!

It has never existed in the first place.

4stylz:


Watch ur mouth boy

Or else wat?





U gon put ur c-ck in it?

It is impossible for God not to exist.


We could of course at a time or other question his management of our lives but to think He doesn't exist is something no one is truly capable of conceiving.

seemples:


The world certainly looks like God died!

Pls sharaaaap!!!