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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 12:31am On Nov 18, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:
Looool Shymm3x and Iya Agba una no serious grin grin

But seriously how do these guys type long comments though la layi n se typist grin

I can't type this much no matter how much I have to say grin

Anyhow sha, different strokes for different folks



What Terracotta typed up there is actually short. Wait till they begin to debate.

I can't either. O ku orun o. Se o sun daada?
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by TerraCotta(m): 12:32am On Nov 18, 2015
IlekeHD:
Do these old members just view NL everyday or is someone signaling you guys to this thread?

The retirement home can get a little boring grin so I try to scan through Nairaland for interesting topics on a weekly basis. It's a good place to take the social and political temperature of Nigeria.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 12:35am On Nov 18, 2015
Shymm3x:


Sagarat is a vacuous stark illiterate with limited lexicon and expired cheese for brain matter.

I like the following:

- Katsumoto
- eGuerrilla
- terracotta
- MayorofLagos esp. When he was negrontns
- gbawe
- pukkah

Then I'll put PhysicsQED and Ekt-bear in the same bracket cos I like certain things about them.


Woahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! MayorOfLagos is NegroNtnts? Woahhhhh wowwwww. That was my ngga back in the days grin I didn't even know.

Leave Sagamite alone. Lol I like certain personality about him. grin

Agreed with the guys you mentioned! I've seen TerraCotta ID, never took the time to read his posts [insights]. I guess this is an opportunity.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 12:36am On Nov 18, 2015
TerraCotta:


The retirement home can get a little boring grin so I try to scan through Nairaland for interesting topics on a weekly basis. It's a good place to take the social and political temperature of Nigeria.

Lol. Welcome back Jare.
I hope you stick around a while before your nurses come back to get you tongue
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by hinohsend: 12:36am On Nov 18, 2015
Una no dey sleep?.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 12:36am On Nov 18, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:
Looool Shymm3x and Iya Agba una no serious grin grin

But seriously how do these guys type long comments though la layi n se typist grin

I can't type this much no matter how much I have to say grin

Anyhow sha, different strokes for different folks


Wait till you see PhysicsPHD/MSC/QED looool. Two pages in one post lol.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 12:38am On Nov 18, 2015
IlekeHD:


Woahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! MayorOfLagos is NegroNtnts? Woahhhhh wowwwww. That was my ngga back in the days grin I didn't even know.

Leave Sagamite alone. Lol I like certain personality about him. grin

Agreed with the guys you mentioned! I've seen TerraCotta ID, never took the time to read his posts [insights]. I guess this is an opportunity.

Sagarat is a re.tard. Anyone with an IQ higher than 50 will never take that narcissistic oaf seriously.

TerraCotta's posts are always insightful.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 12:38am On Nov 18, 2015
hinohsend:
Una no dey sleep?.

Do the witches in your village sleep?

C'mon go back under your bed before we decide to use your roof as our meeting location.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:39am On Nov 18, 2015
IlekeHD:


What Terracotta typed up there is actually short. Wait till they begin to debate.

I can't either. O ku orun o. Se o sun daada?

Mo mo.Ta lo so fun yin wi pe mi lo sun

I really like these new guys though,I feel I don't have to post much and I can just chill and watch their debates

If you have these characters here, you don't need to go to the library

I'm also loving Pa Shymm3x's new role.

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 12:39am On Nov 18, 2015
Shymm3x:


Sagarat is a re.tard. Anyone with an IQ higher than 50 will never take that narcissistic oaf seriously.

TerraCotta's posts are always insightful.

Make I no vex for you o angry angry angry

If you and Sagamite start your fight and spoils this thread, we'll have a problem.

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 12:41am On Nov 18, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:


Mo mo.Ta lo so fun yin wi pe mi lo sun

I really like these new guys though,I feel I don't have to post much and I can just chill and watch their debates

If you have these characters here, you don't need to go to the library

I'm also loving Pa Shymm3x's new role.



I heard someone snoring.

I'm about to go on viewing mode too.

Don't wanna spoil the debate tongue

Please don't expand shymmex's ego more than it is. Thanks.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Shymm3x: 12:41am On Nov 18, 2015
IlekeHD:


Make I no vex for you o angry angry angry

If you and Sagamite start your fight and spoils this thread, we'll have a problem.

Loool.

I will whoop his arse again and send him on a next hiatus lol.

But this isn't the thread for that. Sagarat is my grandson - we're two generations apart lol.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 12:42am On Nov 18, 2015
TerraCotta:


Hi Kats. I've been following this discussion for a little while and catching up with it as it evolved. Gbawe's contribution and your responses have elevated the conversation considerably (no disrespect to people who kept the thread going!) and your debate prompts me to comment.

I've had this same conversation about the political merits of Bola Tinubu with my own relatives and friends, some of whom live in Nigeria (I don't) and I disagree with them as I disagree with you. Gbawe and Ramdeuter rightfully point out what the realistic alternatives to Tinubu's political influence are--I don't think the likes of Fayose and Alao-Akala can be dismissed as 'scare-mongering' when they are active politicians who are or were in office. They are the realistic opposition to Tinubu, not the gifted but faceless millions of potential Awolowos who are in no way ready to run for election. The U.S. and U.K. may be overrun with potential Theodore Roosevelts and Benjamin Disraelis as well but that won't neutralize the fact that the next leaders will be well-established Democrats/Republicans or Conservative/Labour members, respectively.

On your pertinent question about indices of human development. The GDP of Lagos at $80 billion in 2010 figures exceeded that of 14 states in the U.S. And Kenya. I'm sure you're familiar with the flaws of using GDP (and even GDP per capita) as a proxy for societal progress so I don't think a straight statistical comparison tells the whole story. By comparison, low population/higher income nations like Equitorial Guinea should be paradise since it can boast of a GDP per capita of about $20,000 before the oil price decline.

So which indices would be more appropriate? How about growth in tax receipts? Tax is the lifeblood of government in any civilized society and in Lagos, and in Lagos, the number of compliant taxpayers went from 2.4 million in 2011 to 4.5 million last year. I can't find the 1999 figures yet but I would be surprised if the state had up to 1 million tax payers at that time. That is significant progress that contributes to the ongoing (but unfinished) infrastructural development I see when I go back every year. No one wants to pay taxes, but direct funding of government projects gives people a sense of ownership in the process and 'skin in the game.'



I don't know if I can be qualified to be called an APC loyalist but a fair look at the indices suggest that Lagos, the state that Tinubu ruled, has experienced substantial progress in the 16 years since he took charge as governor and political figurehead in subsequent administrations.

Interestingly, some of the lauded social critics we've mentioned have nothing but respect for Tinubu themselves. Here are two examples: Wole Soyinka is never shy about praising Tinubu for his role as one of the leading finders of NADECO during the Abacha years, and most people forget that he was also in exile for opposing the military as a senator in the early 1990s as well. Soyinka, unlike many of us, has repeatedly tried to contribute to political development in Nigeria so he has a clear sense of what is needed and what it takes to success. His latest foray, the DFPF political party, would certainly qualified to be called a failed project compared to APC.

More recently, Fashola has resisted his respect and commitment to Tinubu as a leader despite the rumored (and in my opinion, true) rift between them over the Ambode election and other issues. In the PM News profile, Fashola talked about Tinubu's encouragement of him and Wale Tinubu when they were young lawyers, along with Tinubu's approach to employee welfare and how it influenced him in later years.

I could go on but I think my point is clear enough. Whatever Bola Tinubu's flaws are, it's hard to dismiss him as ineffectual or equal to any of his rivals. He assembled and groomed the team that will lead infrastructure development, solid mineral exploitation, federal taxation and, indirectly, finance for the country over the next four years. Those are respectable achievements that can't be ascribed to a 'local champion'. If there are no improvements in these fields by the end of the team's tenure, then they (and Tinubu) can rightfully be called failures. Right now, they appear to be winning.

On the issue of relatively high debt burdens in western Nigeria (I've never been a fan of reducing Yorubaland to "the southwest" ), I agree that governors should be made to justify the debts but I don't think the concept of borrowing for development should be demonized outright. China's debt to GDP ratio now stands at about 160%, yet in terms of infrastructure, they're the envy of many nations. You can quote similar (but less extreme) figures for most developed economies. Debt issuance is a crucial part of industrialization and infrastructure development and in times of private-sector inactivity, it's actually necessary for government to increase spending on public works to generate demand so economic activity can pick up. I absolutely see Aregbesola's logic in developing an airport in Osogbo, for instance, but I guess I'm in the minority on that issue. You don't wait until the tourism or agricultural demand is overwhelming before developing the necessary infrastructure to support it. The infrastructure itself is often the spur for economic activity. I know that Katsumoto has discussed Keynesian theory here on Nairaland before so that last part wasn't really meant for you--it was just a general comment to the earlier comments about debt.

I'm not able to check into NL very often these days but I do look forward to your response.

Welcome to the debate

First, Lagos is one of 6 states in the SW. I wouldn't want to restrict the discussion to just Lagos. Afterall, most of the SW states have debts. In any case, tax receipts may be high but is it being translated in an improvement in the standard of living of average Lagosians? Or revenue is going up and a few are getting paid?

Second, I don't think anyone has demonized debt. Surely debt is required for development but the issue I have with debt in Naija are as follows:
1. Lack of Accountability
2. Mis-managment
3. Corruption

What is the point of starting projects if they won't have any impacts? And I doubt that SW politicians are implementing any Keynesian economics to boost their state economies. Were they practising Keynesian economics when Nigeria was making additional revenue from the sale of Crude oil? The simple fact is that Jonathan and everyone in power in the last 6 years mis-managed funds which accrued from high oil receipts. Now that Oil prices have crashed and with most states bankrupt, what is the way out of the quagmire? What will Osun sell to pay its debt?

Third, the alternatives to Tinubu & his boys are obvious. To whom much is given, much is expected. If Tinubu's party is making progress, there would be no need to make references to Bode George, Alao Akala, Kashamu, etc. When your party does well, the opposition isn't relevant until you mess up. I am not interested in what the APC will do for Nigeria in the next 4 years; my interest is in what Tinubu's boys have done in the SW over the last 4 years.

Fourth, China's debt to GDP ratio is high but China really isn't the best example of efficient spending since most of its infrastructure is unused. And lets not forget that China holds a large percentage of US Debt. China's holding of US Debt ($1.5T) is approximately 25% of it's own national debt. So China has some fall back. In addition, China leads in industrialization and manufacturing. Nigerian states are borrowing large sums of money, but what are they spending these loans on?

Lets call a spade a spade - states collected free money from the center and borrowed both internally and externally yet are struggling to pay salaries; no improvement in health, infrastructure, education, defence. Where is the money?

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:43am On Nov 18, 2015
Shymm3x:


Wait till you see PhysicsPHD/MSC/QED looool. Two pages in one post lol.

Hahaha I've seen his posts.Vvvery long

Your posts can be very long at times same with Oduastates and Kingsango

Ha baba yen fe pami ni jo yen grin
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 12:44am On Nov 18, 2015
Shymm3x:


Loool.

I will whoop his arse again and send him on a next hiatus lol.

But this isn't the thread for that. Sagarat is my grandson - we're two generations apart lol.


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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by TerraCotta(m): 12:44am On Nov 18, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:
Looool Shymm3x and Iya Agba una no serious grin grin

But seriously how do these guys type long comments though la layi n se typist grin

I can't type this much no matter how much I have to say grin

Anyhow sha, different strokes for different folks




It's true, sha. GIFs and jokes aren't my lane on NL. I keep the jokes fresh for my friends and I know which clubs to go to if I'm looking for the "Shymexx experience". I try to keep it informative here because I'm honestly shocked at how undereducated many Nigerians are about basic history, economics etc.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 12:47am On Nov 18, 2015
TerraCotta:


It's true, sha. GIFs and jokes aren't my lane on NL. I keep the jokes fresh for my friends and I know which clubs to go to if I'm looking for the "Shymexx experience". I try to keep it informative here because I'm honestly shocked at how undereducated many Nigerians are about basic history, economics etc.

Wow.....slow down please.

I hope that wasn't intended as an insult to my son, shymmex.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by hinohsend: 12:48am On Nov 18, 2015
IlekeHD:


Do the witches in your village sleep?

C'mon go back under your bed before we decide to use your roof as our meeting location.


Lol,Aje tun she online meeting ni?.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:51am On Nov 18, 2015
TerraCotta:


It's true, sha. GIFs and jokes aren't my lane on NL. I keep the jokes fresh for my friends and I know which clubs to go to if I'm looking for the "Shymexx experience". I try to keep it informative here because I'm honestly shocked at how undereducated many Nigerians are about basic history, economics etc




Haha Awa ma n se yeye dada ni bi bayi grin grin

There are some pages on this thread that will give you the impression you're in the jokes section because we treat the thread like a family but you eggheads/historians help balance it

While we learn from you guys,we can keep chipping in the jokes grin

The emboldened is too true
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Desola(f): 12:53am On Nov 18, 2015
superstar1:


Is she not Desola?

Is who not Desola?
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 12:54am On Nov 18, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:

Haha Awa ma n se yeye dada ni bi bayi grin grin

There are some pages on this thread that will give you the impression you're in the jokes section because we treat the thread like a family but you eggheads/historians help balance it

While we learn from you guys,we can keep chipping in the jokes grin

The emboldened is too true

True. Too much seriousness causes tension.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 12:58am On Nov 18, 2015
IlekeHD:


True. Too much seriousness causes tension.

Hmmmn you know I suspect this desola character to be IyaIode
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by jstbeinhonest(m): 1:00am On Nov 18, 2015
Ford Motor Company yesterday unveiled the first Ranger truck to be assembled in Nigeria. It was built in an existing facility with Ford’s Nigerian partners Coscharis Group, an indigenous automobile dealer. At the official announcement of the Ford assembly line in Lagos, its President/CEO, sub Saharan African Region, Mr. Jeff Nemeth, said Nigeria remains a significant market in Ford’s sub-Saharan Africa (SSA) region and accounts for a high per cent of the regional sales – the reason the automaker is committed to increasing its market share in the country, and other key African markets in the future. He added that Ford’s unified growth strategy for the continent, with the formation of the new Middle East and Africa business unit last year, has also enabled the company to consolidate its efforts in Africa. The facility, he said, will accommodate one shift and will produce an initial 10 units per day for the market, creating approximately 180 direct and indirect jobs, adding that over time, there will be expansion. Mr. Nemeth said the main driver behind Ford in Africa is affordability. “Africa is one of the youngest markets in the world and presents a huge opportunity in terms of consumption,” he said, adding that the purchasing power of consumer in the continent is on the rise as the middle class increases. “Despite infrastructure challenges, Africa has demonstrated impressive returns on Foreign Direct Investment (FDI),” he added. He said the new assembly operations, even on a small scale, have positive knock-on effects in the local economy and work force. He added that in line with the operating procedures for Ford plants around the world, the firm will send experienced employees to the country to assist with implementing the Global Ford Production System, which focuses on the highest standards for safety, quality and delivery. Mr. Nemeth also said Ford has taken steps to support its dealers in Africa, including after sales support and ensuring availability of spare parts. “In addition, we are looking at training and skills transfer opportunities to enhance the continent’s skills base. In Nigeria, this includes a training programme co- ordinated by Coscharis Motors and the Lagos State government including hands-on modules for technicians,” he said. He said as part of Ford’s growth and ability to service its customers, Nigeria is already home to one quick lane facility in Lagos, with two others planned for Calabar and Ekiti next year. Quick Lane Centres are an initiative of Ford Motor Company, with facilities that offer motorists the option of having professional maintenance performed for minor service items in the shortest time regardless of their vehicle’s brand.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 1:01am On Nov 18, 2015
Desola:


Is who not Desola?

Dessy baby - how you doing? kiss
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by jstbeinhonest(m): 1:01am On Nov 18, 2015
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by jstbeinhonest(m): 1:02am On Nov 18, 2015
Ekiti to get car assembly plant soon?,...cool.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 1:03am On Nov 18, 2015
Aareonakakanfo:


Hmmmn you know I suspect this desola character to be IyaIode


She's something else....I thought she was coolitempa, but coolitempa is softer and nicer.

I don't know why think we're the same because I'm [nicer] grin

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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Nobody: 1:04am On Nov 18, 2015
Katsumoto:


Dessy baby - how you doing? kiss


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Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by IlekeHD: 1:04am On Nov 18, 2015
jstbeinhonest:
http://thenationonlineng.net/ford-begins-vehicle-assembly-in-nigeria/
[size=18pt]Ford begins vehicle assembly in Nigeria
[/size]



Ford begins vehicle assembly in Nigeria
Ford Motor Company yesterday unveiled the first Ranger truck to be assembled in Nigeria. It was built in an existing facility with Ford’s Nigerian partners Coscharis Group, an indigenous automobile dealer.

At the official announcement of the Ford assembly line in Lagos, its President/CEO, sub Saharan African Region, Mr. Jeff Nemeth, said Nigeria remains a significant market in Ford’s sub-Saharan Africa (SSA) region and accounts for a high per cent of the regional sales – the reason the automaker is committed to increasing its market share in the country, and other key African markets in the future.

He added that Ford’s unified growth strategy for the continent, with the formation of the new Middle East and Africa business unit last year, has also enabled the company to consolidate its efforts in Africa. The facility, he said, will accommodate one shift and will produce an initial 10 units per day for the market, creating approximately 180 direct and indirect jobs, adding that over time, there will be expansion.

Mr. Nemeth said the main driver behind Ford in Africa is affordability. “Africa is one of the youngest markets in the world and presents a huge opportunity in terms of consumption,” he said, adding that the purchasing power of consumer in the continent is on the rise as the middle class increases. “Despite infrastructure challenges, Africa has demonstrated impressive returns on Foreign Direct Investment (FDI),” he added.

He said the new assembly operations, even on a small scale, have positive knock-on effects in the local economy and work force. He added that in line with the operating procedures for Ford plants around the world, the firm will send experienced employees to the country to assist with implementing the Global Ford Production System, which focuses on the highest standards for safety, quality and delivery.

Mr. Nemeth also said Ford has taken steps to support its dealers in Africa, including after sales support and ensuring availability of spare parts. “In addition, we are looking at training and skills transfer opportunities to enhance the continent’s skills base. In Nigeria, this includes a training programme co-ordinated by Coscharis Motors and the Lagos State government including hands-on modules for technicians,” he said.

He said as part of Ford’s growth and ability to service its customers, Nigeria is already home to one quick lane facility in Lagos, with two others planned for Calabar and Ekiti next year.

Quick Lane Centres are an initiative of Ford Motor Company, with facilities that offer motorists the option of having professional maintenance performed for minor service items in the shortest time regardless of their vehicle’s brand.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by laudate: 1:05am On Nov 18, 2015
Katsumoto:
Yes, it is I.

I got really busy in the last couple of years and it coincided with the infestation of this board by political jobbers. So I will drop by from time to time.

I hope you are keeping well brother. Good to see you too.

Wey my contact lens?? Na Oga Katsumoto I dey see so?? shocked shocked Without collecting change?? Ah egbon, I dey hail o! cheesy
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by jstbeinhonest(m): 1:06am On Nov 18, 2015
•N80b needed to complete Akute-Agbado-Ijoko road Ogun State has lost over 60 per cent of its statutory revenue allocation from the Federation Account. Governor Ibikunle Amosun spoke yesterday at a Town Hall meeting with stakeholders on the 2016 budget. He said the state requires about N80billion to complete the 32KM Sango -Ijoko-Agbado-Akute - Ojodu road. The government awarded the contract to Messrs Prado E. Mercedos, a Brazilian firm, barely three years ago but work has slowed down, following increasing shortage of funds. For next year’s budget, he said the development of rural areas will be the priority. He said the decision to prioritise the rural area is because of the realisation that the bulk of the people reside in the rural areas as well as the need to open up the areas. Amosun said Deputy Governor Mrs Yetunde Onanuga has the responsibility of fixing rural roads and infrastructure. The governor, who promised that the new policy thrust of the budget would be vigorously pursued, however lamented the massive drop in the state’s revenue. His words: “What we receive has dropped considerably. In fact, our allocation coming from Abuja has dropped by as much as 60 per cent. It is so bad. “When we came in, we were collecting between N3.5billion and N4.8billion monthly but with the recent slump in oil prices, the money coming to us has reduced. “Last month, we collected just N1.3billion and our wage bill is in the excess of N7billion monthly. How do we do it? We have to enthrone prudent financial management.” The governor announced that no new roads would be awarded next year, saying “we won’t award contract for any new road in 2016. We will only complete the roads that are presently under construction across the state”. Amosun told the audience that the state would be 40 years in February, adding that “we will be inaugurating 40 projects across the state. “Our leader, President Muhammadu Buhari, will be coming to our state to commission the projects. We will be making it real because our state is now 40 years.” Amosun decried landlords’ refusal to re-connect their homes with public water supply. He said indigenes have snubbed all efforts to reconnect to the public water after the reconstruction of the roads that passed their areas. “We are determined to ensure that that is reversed. We observed that people take jerry cans to public taps. We will soon discourage that because we will soon be installing metres on those public water taps and ensure landlords reconnect to public water mains.” Answering questions, he said his administration has put in place verifiable assets worth over N103billion while it has also incurred a debt of about N40billion. Commissioner for Budget and Planning Ms Adenrele Adesina noted that the event was to get public opinion on the 2016 budget. At the event were Mrs. Onanuga, the Olu of Ilaro, Oba Kehinde Olugbenle, Secretary to the State Government, Taiwo Adeoluwa.
Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 1:07am On Nov 18, 2015
laudate:


Wey my contact lens?? Na Oga Katsumoto I dey see so?? shocked shocked Without collecting change?? Ah egbon, I dey hail o! cheesy

grin grin grin grin

I hail you back but ta ni egbon yin? Everyone is claiming to be young on these boards and using reverse psychology in calling others egbon. grin grin grin

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