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Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Judas2013: 6:49pm On Dec 06, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: there is no god but yourself 1 Like |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 7:05pm On Dec 06, 2015 |
SirWere:Am a Christian. What about you? 1 Like |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Nobody: 7:14pm On Dec 06, 2015 |
Tending towards agnosticism vooks: |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 7:18pm On Dec 06, 2015 |
SirWere:From atheism or theism? |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Nobody: 7:36pm On Dec 06, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:How do you know all this? Is this proof/evidence or just speculation? Were you present when the world began? 3 Likes |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:40pm On Dec 06, 2015 |
sonOfLucifer: The evidence for God is best gotten through experience . Since I've experienced it , then its true . So my turn : Your signature says : "Jesus is a lie ... " Were you present during his 'supposed' lifetime to ascertain the truth about his existence and then you found out it was a lie ? 2 Likes |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Nobody: 9:48pm On Dec 06, 2015 |
vooks:theism, sadly. |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 11:20pm On Dec 06, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: It is only a fool that will insist that something as perfect as god has no creator logic shows that there must be an intelligent designer of god things don't just come to exist if the i-pad was created, so was god or do you mean to tell me that the i-pad came into being randomly? 3 Likes |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by davien(m): 12:06am On Dec 07, 2015 |
vooks:I really need to laugh out loud here, for someone who claims design in everything, but yet can't answer up on his own premise... First of all, writing is by definition(there can't be a writing without a writer) indicative of a writer... and as far as evidence goes human intelligences dwarf any other phenomenon be it animate or inanimate that would be assumed... But for someone with your original premise, there is no distinction between words and ocean waves(since everything is designed) and I still want to know the criteria you base that on.. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by shachris02: 1:05am On Dec 07, 2015 |
Lol. lame. |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 4:37am On Dec 07, 2015 |
SirWere:Sadly? Why sad about it |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 4:40am On Dec 07, 2015 |
davien:You are not coherent Rephrase your question |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:09am On Dec 07, 2015 |
AlfaSeltzer: Your opinion is that God must have a creator . OK I hear you . So please answer my question WHICH I ASKED FIRST . Show me how LIFE HAS or NEEDS no creator |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by plaetton: 8:11am On Dec 07, 2015 |
vooks: Big laugh. Once again, proudly showcasing your " half-think" syndrome. Let me try to rephrase davien's question in kindergarten-speak for you. Now, if your great grand parents, whom I assume , could not read the English alphabet, came across your scribbling on a sandy beach, what criteria would they have used to reach a conclusion on whether the scriblings were made by ocean waves, seagulls , sea turtles or kids playing on the beach ? You get my drift ? I truly doubt that you would . 6 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by hahn(m): 8:24am On Dec 07, 2015 |
vooks: Give me please 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by ichommy(m): 8:52am On Dec 07, 2015 |
Gen gen gen. You dey do begi begi
hahn: |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Nobody: 8:54am On Dec 07, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: 1. life is made up of the ingredients of universe. 2. life contains elements which were formed on stars. the origin of the ingredients of life are well known 3. there is enough time for Murphy's law to apply. 4. there are enough cataclysmic events in earth's history that can facilitate the rise of life 5. Life on earth today is complex life. when life first arose, it was nowhere near this complex. 6. single celled organisms had two entire billion years to evolve. in comparison. 7. The shaping of cellular life was governed by complex natural means. which ultimately rival an intelligent design 8. The only difference between intelligent design and natural design is the speed. in the end, they will achieve the same goal. 9. Life does not possess irreducible complexity. it can be broken down into it's various parts. 10. 99.9% of all life that has ever lived is now extinct. meaning . . . it was a trial and error process. some made it, others didn't the ones we observe now are actually the best type of life forms to ever exist. so, obviously, they will be very efficient and complex. so, gimme ten reasons why an intelligent creator, doesn't need an intelligent creator. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 9:02am On Dec 07, 2015 |
plaetton:Good morning m0ron Amateur Septic(sic), Knowledge of what waves can and can't You honestly think there is a knowledge gap that would ever make it sensible to believe a volcano can spew Subarus? |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 9:08am On Dec 07, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: There is a creator of everything. |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 9:09am On Dec 07, 2015 |
hahn:Will do when we meet |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 9:10am On Dec 07, 2015 |
vooks: Go school, you no gree. 2 Likes |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 9:19am On Dec 07, 2015 |
vooks: See this and tell me the meaning A: A sign left on the sand for someone to follow? B: A mini crater made by a falling meteorite? Intelligent design or not? 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Nobody: 9:40am On Dec 07, 2015 |
vooks:There is a flaw in your reason, mr man. The oceans are not random. they are in fact, a deterministic system. at any given point, we can correctly predict their behavior. they will level any contours on the sand they wash over. That is in fact their behavior. any attempt to disrupt the uniformity of the beach will be countered by the sea. It is therefore within reason to conclude that any opposite behavior was caused by something which is not the sea. and could possibly be a human handiwork. The universe on the other hand, is the most unpredictable thing EVER. There are only a few forces which restricts it's behavior and within those constraints, it constantly awes us. it made up planets that are all diamond, planets that are pitch black, planets with three stars, all sorts of mundane things. What if life is just another of it's . . . consequences? 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by malvisguy212: 9:50am On Dec 07, 2015 |
AlfaSeltzer:God existence does not depend on, nor is it tied to, the existence of our physical world. What holds true of the natural and material does not necessarily hold true of the supernatural and immaterial (and vice versa). There must have been a first, uncaused cause which started the chain of events that resulted in the present state of the universe. The fact that time and space BEGAN to exist at one particular point of time proved God exist in a timeless eternity, Therefore, God has no need of being created, but, in fact, created the time dimension of our universe specifically for a reason, so that cause and effect would exist for us. However, since God created time, cause and effect would never apply to His existence. 1 Like |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by plaetton: 10:26am On Dec 07, 2015 |
vooks: You know , I wish there was a way to convey sincere truths to you without appearing to insult you. When I say that you are you intellectually vacuous, I don't really mean it as insult. Let me ask you a simple question. Who created the Subaru you posted above? Who woke up one day and designed the Subaru? How many different parts make up your Subaru, and how many scientific innovations, scientific principles are incorporated in your Subaru? And where all these parts, their engineering mechanisms, all designed by one person all at once. You half-think too much. Have you ever read up on or considered thinking about the evolution of the automobile? I bet you haven't. Your Subaru, the automobile, has evolved over the past 150yrs or so, incorporating different scientific concepts, laws, and social necessities. In other words, all the technologies incorporated into your Subaru followed the processes of scientific discovery, as well as social necessities. It is the same way that simple dust clouds aggregate and accrete by gravitational forces to form planets and stars, establish an stable orbit, and on the right conditions, water and the seeds if life. To use a finished product of human ingenuity as proof of intelligent design is soooo juvenile, soooo amateurish, soooo half-thinking, that it embarrasses me to respond as I am presently doing. Your shiny Subaru is an evolved object, a scientifically evolved specimen of human social evolution. It didn't spring up by magic, you silly half-thinker. It underwent rigorous trial and error processes over a 150 yr period, even going further back to the invention of the wheel , to the steam locomotive engine. If you cannot understand the slow, rigorous and dynamic processes that have led to manufacture of your Subaru, then you may never ever understand the slow, rigorous and dynamic processes of natural evolution. And that just makes you a little stuuupider than most. 7 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by plaetton: 10:35am On Dec 07, 2015 |
Teempakguy: The unfortunate thing, my dear friend, is that these clowns would pretend not to have read you response above. They would pretend or tell themselves that the above facts are from the devil. They would not learn anything. Their learning curves stop at Sunday school. Tomorrow, they will come back and ask the same silly questions and make the silly, half-thoughout statements. I don tire. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by hahn(m): 10:39am On Dec 07, 2015 |
vooks: Where will we meet? |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by hahn(m): 10:41am On Dec 07, 2015 |
ichommy: At least let a Christian give me a christmas gift na |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by hahn(m): 10:56am On Dec 07, 2015 |
plaetton: Hian, welcome to the club 1 Like |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by Nobody: 10:59am On Dec 07, 2015 |
plaetton: one cool fact. for the next time some theist tries to claim that we are special. the order of reactive elements in the universe by abundance. 1. Hydrogen 2. Oxygen 3. carbon 4. Nitrogen The order of elements in life by abundance. 1. Hydrogen 2. Oxygen 3. Carbon 4. Nitrogen The exact same order. the abundance of elements on earth is directly proportional to the difficultly required to form them. This is also true for living organisms. in fact, organisms tend to retain the heavier elements. water is constantly passed out of the body. calcium is preciously guarded by the body. hardly passed out. so, I thought God created everything from scratch? how is it that we are recycled products then? I would accept we were created by God if we were actually made of silicon(like genesis says we were.). but . . . We're not. because Silicon is not abundant, nor is it reactive enough for spontaneous life to arise from it. I think you are right though. theists tend to overestimate the power of intelligence, and they also tend to Under estimate the power of infinite intelligence. The reason why humans have become this advanced is because they started competing with each other. to see who could build the bigger weapons, who could organize the bigger cities, who could win the most battles, build the biggest buildings, the fastest computers, the complexity of our civilization arose as a result of competition. Now, the burj Khalifa doesn't even look like humans built it. It looks like the work of Gods. or God. MR NIGER DAC, the characteristics of life. the C stands for competition. showing that life will become more and more complex in an effort to outdo other lifeforms. if given enough time, it will appear as though intelligence was involved. and that is why we are here today, innit? 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by hahn(m): 11:12am On Dec 07, 2015 |
vooks: Bro, the least you can do is show a little bit of christ-like behavior by not responding with insults. The more I read your, and other theists, comments the more I don't feel the presence of the Lord in you. Be a good example and maybe that will be able to convince atheists of a need to believe in this god you are talking about. Your behavior is really appalling 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: plaetton, Why Is EVERYTHING Fine-tuned For Life On Earth,multiverses? by vooks: 11:19am On Dec 07, 2015 |
hahn:Good idea. Are you supposed to 'feel the presence of the Lord' in people? |
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